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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on July 29, 2008, 01:57:20 PM
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No, not the TV show, the republican senator: indicted on seven counts of making false statements to feds probing an Alaska businessman. :O
I'm sure it was in the best interest of all Alaskans! :huh
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Must have been a republican since all republicans are lying hypocrites.....
:D
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Actually this goes WAY beyond party lines- if true this is flat out abuse of power, and magnifies what's wrong with our Government today...so I won't be doing my "neener neener another Republican Senator in trouble" gleeful dance like when Larry Craig got busted in the mens' room. The stuff he got away with in the business as usual attitude politicians all share must be presumed to be typical regardless of party. Here's the article-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080729/ap_on_go_co/stevens_indictment
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080729/ap_on_go_co/stevens_indictment
FTA: "The indictment tarnishes one of the most powerful and savvy of the GOP lions in the Senate..."
Can't say I cared for Stevens much, but this is an alleged crime and the man is presumed innocent.
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Must have been a republican since all republicans are lying hypocrites.....
:D
You're implying Democrats are angels? :rofl
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The indictment unsealed Tuesday says the items included home improvements to his vacation home in Alaska, including a new first floor, garage, wraparound deck, plumbing and electrical wiring, as well as a Viking gas grill, furniture and tools. He also was accused of failing to report swapping an old Ford for a new Land Rover to be driven by one of his children.
well at least he didnt carpet his garage.... :cool:
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well at least he didnt carpet his garage.... :cool:
You can't in Alaska. Ice would freeze in the carpet in the winter. :cool:
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Doh!
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Alaskan politicians are dropping like flies over corruption issues. The past two years have had more incidents than I can ever recall.
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You're implying Democrats are angels? :rofl
Of course not, I was making a joke. Someone else (looks at Crock Pot) said they didn't like Republicans because they were all lying hypocrites. :D
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I hope this weasel dies in jail---he exemplifies the 'me' mentality of what is wrong with government. He actually threatened a La congressman (Vitter, think) on the House floor for questioning the usefulness of the 'bridge to nowhere'
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All too typical of what we get for politicians these days. Sad commentary on the mentality, intelligence, and attentiveness of the voting public in general. That people like that are elected, regardless of party, speaks volumes on how stupid and apathetic the general public has become. Doesn't bode well for the future either, as it seems few, VERY few, appear to be learning the lessons.
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No no no no no Virg, you can't make a logical, sensible blanket statement like that. You HAVE to side on party lines for well all know one is "the debil"!
Now, say it agian...with bias.
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All too typical of what we get for politicians these days. Sad commentary on the mentality, intelligence, and attentiveness of the voting public in general. That people like that are elected, regardless of party, speaks volumes on how stupid and apathetic the general public has become. Doesn't bode well for the future either, as it seems few, VERY few, appear to be learning the lessons.
When has it been any different? Worse is, people keep re-electing them. :rolleyes: PE Trudeau in Canada for a good example.
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term limits - would not have time to get buddy buddy with anyone
have to note the timing of another republican "news story" though ....
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I don't know anyone in Alaska who likes Stevens, but he keeps getting elected because he has so much power. Having him in the senate is like having 2 or 3 new senators representing Alaska. Term limits would be best for the nation.
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term limits, line item veto.
There is a reason we have re-elections, the job was never intended to full be a full time life long career. It was intended to be a govt of citizens who would work in congress for a short time, then go back to their regular job/career/business.
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Incidentally, Stevens first became a senator after Senator Bartlett died. He was voted in by a landslide again and again though.
Also, he was a pilot in WWII.
He was one of two survivors of a plane crash in 1978 that killed his wife.
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term limits, line item veto.
I'd add to that: no more bundling bills together, item by item votes. If it sounds laborious and time consuming...good. At worst, they'll learn to be more efficient, at best, they'll run out of time to spend our money.
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term limits - would not have time to get buddy buddy with anyone
have to note the timing of another republican "news story" though ....
Well... if there so many republican news stories that "they" can time the release, I think there's probably another problem.
As for term limits, we have those. We call them elections.
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As for term limits, we have those.
We also have a term limit of 10 years maximum on the Presidency imposed by Congress.......why not impose that very same thing on Congress?
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I hope this weasel dies in jail---he exemplifies the 'me' mentality of what is wrong with government. He actually threatened a La congressman (Vitter, think) on the House floor for questioning the usefulness of the 'bridge to nowhere'
Yes I agree I think anyone caught taking bribes should be tared and feathered. This indictment with Ten Stevens has been coming a very long time, he has been under investigation for at least 6 months with most of this info already made public. So hopefully this one is down and I hope they get Orrin Hatch as well.
Both of these guys are always on any shady bill that gets pushed through the senate they are like the tag team duo of corruption for big business. Granted Ted Stevens was the worse of the two or at least he hasn't hide his as well.
IMO lobbying should be made illegal because it's nothing more than corruption in one form or another and all high up politicians should have term limits.
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term limits - would not have time to get buddy buddy with anyone
have to note the timing of another republican "news story" though ....
There is nothing in the timing of this.. All this was made public months ago the FBI just finally indited him. btw the investigation was handeled by the justice dept whom is under Bush, so don't act like it was some Democrat planned news story.
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There is nothing in the timing of this.. All this was made public months ago the FBI just finally indited him. btw the investigation was handled by the justice dept whom is under Bush, so don't act like it was some Democrat planned news story.
the importance and coverage of the story will be exaggerated by the left media do you not agree? probably not ....
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the importance and coverage of the story will be exaggerated by the left media do you not agree? probably not ....
How imortant should the story be? It's the first time a US Senator has been indicted in 15 years- seems newsworthy to me.
Anyway we're missing the bigger picture if we focus on the political party of the Senator- we should instead of look at what he did as being politics as usual, according to our Politicians anyway, and that's the part I find disgusting.
"Prosecutors said Stevens "took multiple steps to continue" receiving things from VECO and its founder, Bill Allen. The indictment says Allen and other VECO employees were soliciting Stevens for "multiple official actions ... knowing that Stevens could and did use his official position and his office on behalf of VECO during that same time period."
VECO's requests included funding and other aid for the company's projects and partnerships in Pakistan and Russia. It also included federal grants from several agencies, as well as help in building a national gas pipeline in Alaska's North Slope Region, according to the indictment filed in Washington.
Stevens has maintained he didn't do anything for VECO that he didn't do for any other constituent or pro-Alaska interest. The indictment stops short of charging Stevens with bribery or other traditional corruption crimes."
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Stevens did not have sex with that women, not one time.
oh, sorry, wrong politician. :o
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the importance and coverage of the story will be exaggerated by the left media do you not agree? probably not ....
Dunno I don't watch the news..
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term limits - would not have time to get buddy buddy with anyone
have to note the timing of another republican "news story" though ....
Voting in more third party members would even be better.
Everyone has the mindset of only voting for one of two parties.
And those two parties have the sheep so brainwashed. That they can keep them fighting one another like Europeans at a soccer match.
Keep them fighting one another so much that all they do is vote for one or the other.
Even if its just to keep one of them out.
All we need to do to see a classic example of this is look at any of the current Barrack/McCain threads here on the boards
So what do those parties do.
When one leaves office.
They just replace him with a carbon copy.
What needs to happen along with term limits. Is we need to break up this more or less forced two party system.
centralise campaign funding and split up evenly among all candidates who manage to get their name on the ballot.
And forbid funding from any other sources.
Actually enforce equal coverage in the press.
THEN we could be presented with some real choices.
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As for term limits, we have those. We call them elections.
Exactly. Term limits are just a placebo to placate the apethetic American voter.
ack-ack
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Exactly. Term limits are just a placebo to placate the apethetic American voter.
ack-ack
I wish that was the case but once a slug gets in a term or two the connections he makes, makes it practically impossible to remove him.
if term limits are go enough for the potus, they are good enough for the other dead heads in dc
would like to see the stats showing someone who has two or three terms under their belt getting the boot with a straight vote minus any kind of scandel.
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Let's see... In 1995, the Supreme Court decided that States didn't have the power to impose term limits. So, that leaves just one other option... Constitutional amendment.
Not going to happen...
Any discussion of congressional term limits is little more than gratuitous mutual masturbation.
You guys have fun with it.
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Let's see... In 1995, the Supreme Court decided that States didn't have the power to impose term limits. So, that leaves just one other option... Constitutional amendment.
Not going to happen...
Any discussion of congressional term limits is little more than gratuitous mutual masturbation.
You guys have fun with it.
Oh I agree.
Expecting that to happen would be like expecting congress to vote against giving themselves a pay raise.
Or for a drastic cut in their benifit package
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I wish that was the case but once a slug gets in a term or two the connections he makes, makes it practically impossible to remove him.
if term limits are go enough for the potus, they are good enough for the other dead heads in dc
would like to see the stats showing someone who has two or three terms under their belt getting the boot with a straight vote minus any kind of scandel.
Eagler, you're right- we have term limits in California but all that means is they limit out as an assembly person then run for the State Senate and limit out and then get appointed to a 100,000 dollar a year "job" on the waste management board where they meet once every three months.
Districts are jerry rigged to the point it's impossible for a politician from an opposing party to have a chance- it is the very worst of a political machine, and in my district (controlled by Dems) another Dem has no chance even without the proper connections.
We don't have elections, we have coronations. Our current assembly person and current state senator will never face a real challange- they are part of the system, and will retire very wealthy.
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What do other politicians call a long term senator that takes graft? :rolleyes:
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-Mentor!
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elections......a congress that has a 9% approval rating has a 98% chance of being re-elected.
something is broken somewhere.