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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: thedudee95 on July 31, 2008, 12:08:49 AM
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We seriously need the a6m2-N.
(http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/RufeICR_01.jpg)
LIke lets say u got some kills, and when u are heading back, ur airfield gets attacked.
U got a nearby cv, but it is sunk. u can land near the spawn for the cv, and u can land ur kills.
This plane is also useful for recon, like finding enemy cvs'.
Wat u think?
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Did it see combat?
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i believe so...
Have to look up on that.
EDIT: This floatplane was developed from the Mitsubishi A6M "Zero", for the purpose of supporting amphibian operations and defending remote bases. It was based on the A6M-2 Model 11 fuselage, with a modified tail and floats. This aircraft was the brainchild of Shinobu Mitsutake, Nakajima's Chief Engineer, and Atsushi Tajima, one of the company's designers. A total of 327 were built, including the original prototype.
The plane was deployed in 1942, referred to as the "Suisen 2" ("Hydro fighter type 2"), and was only utilized in defensive actions in the Aleutians and Solomon Islands operations. Such seaplanes were effective at night in harassing American PT boats, and they were very difficult to detect, even with primitive radar. Close misses killed officers and crew of boats such as PT 105. They would also drop flares to illuminate the PTs which were vulnerable to destroyer gunfire, and depended on cover of darkness. Since the boats left a phosphorescent wake which was visible from the air, they would leave their engines in idle to minimize this wake. It was primarily for this reason that John F. Kennedy's PT 109 was caught off guard in idle and rammed in a historic incident by the destroyer Amagiri, unable to maneuver out of the way in time.
The seaplane also served as an interceptor for protecting fueling depots in Balikpapan and Avon Bases (Dutch East Indies) and reinforced the Shumushu base (North Kuriles) in the same period. Such fighters served aboard seaplane carriers Kamikawa Maru in the Solomons and Kuriles areas and aboard Japanese raiders Hokoku Maru and Aikoku Maru in Indian Ocean raids. During fighting in the Solomon Islands, the Navy "Rufe" air aces Master Sergeant Kawai and Master Sergeant Maruyama shot down four American Grumman F4F Wildcat fighters.[citation needed] In the Aleutian Campaign this fighter engaged with P-38 Lightning fighters and B-17 Flying Fortress bombers. This aircraft was used for interceptor, fighter-bomber, and short reconnaissance support for amphibious landings, among other uses.
Later in the conflict the Otsu Air Group utilized the A6M2-N as an interceptor alongside Kawanishi N1K1 Kyofu ("Rex") aircraft based in Biwa lake in the Honshū area.
Unhappily for its pilots, the large float and wing pontoons of the A6M2-N degraded its performance by about 20%, enough that the Rufe was not usually a match for even the first generation of Allied fighters. However, the Rufe was not as ludicrous a concept as it might seem; after all, the Supermarine Spitfire was derived from a seaplane design that actually held the world air speed record for a time. However, the lighter construction of the Zero, which compensated for the relative inefficiency of the Nakajima Sakae engine compared to the Rolls-Royce Merlin, worked against the seaplane concept.
Operators
Yokohama Air Group
Toko Air Group
Otsu Air Group
Yokosuka Air Group (technical evaluation unit)
11th Air Fleet
5th Air Fleet
36th Air Fleet
452nd Air Fleet
934th Air Fleet
Specifications (Nakajima A6M2-N)
General characteristics
* Length: 33ft 2.75in (10.13m)
* Wingspan: 36ft 1in (11.0m)
* Height: 14ft 1.25in (4.30m)
* Empty weight: 3,968lb (1,912kg)
* Max takeoff weight: 5,423lb (2,460kg)
* Powerplant: 1× Nakajima NK1C Sakae 12 Air cooled 14 cylinder radial, 925 hp ()
Performance
* Maximum speed: 273 mph at 16,404ft (435 km/h at 5,000m)
* Range: 1,106 miles (1,780 km)
* Service ceiling 32,800ft (10,000m)
* Rate of climb: 6min 43s to 16,404ft (6min 43s to 5,000m)
Armament
* 2x7.7mm Type 97 machine guns with 500 rpg above forward fuselage
* 2x20mm Type 99 cannons each with 60-round drum fixed in ounter wings
* Wings racks for 2 66lb (30kg) bombs
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:aok
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LIke lets say u got some kills, and when u are heading back, ur airfield gets attacked.
U got a nearby cv, but it is sunk. u can land near the spawn for the cv, and u can land ur kills.
well this seems like such a rare occurance that you are bringing up that it will almost never happen
plus,
do you really think you could get kills in that thing :D
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it got 20mm on wing, and 2 of those other guns( forgot which type) on the front ,with a bunch of ammo.
i play il2(the game) and i have gotten a few kills in it.
EDIT: the early 109s' had 7.97mm?
the a6m2-n has 7.7, and alot more ammo then the bf109.
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it got 20mm on wing, and 2 of those other guns( forgot which type) on the front ,with a bunch of ammo.
i play il2(the game) and i have gotten a few kills in it.
EDIT: the early 109s' had 7.97mm?
the a6m2-n has 7.7, and alot more ammo then the bf109.
well the early 109's didnt have a giant cigar underneathe 'em :D
also, i didnt think those water based planes did any fighting, i thought they were either recon or search and Rescue
it just looks like it will fly like a dumptruck
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A6M2N. We have the A6M2 in game, so we already know the ammo load outs, which are 2 crappy 20mm cannons (copies of the Oerlikon MG/FF in the 109E and Bf110C) and 2 7.7mm machine guns.
From what he posted, this would be a bigger, slower, heavier A6M2.
the a6m2-n has 7.7, and alot more ammo then the bf109.
The A6M2 has 120 rounds of 20mm and 1000 rounds of 7.7mm ammunition.
The Bf.109E4 has 120 rounds of 20mm and 2000 rounds of 7.9mm ammunition.
The Bf.109F4 has 200 rounds of 20mm and 1000 rounds of 7.9mm ammunition.
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Did u read any of the above??
It goes up to 273mph and and it did see combat.
It could be useful for something in AH...
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It could be useful for something in AH...
i dont really think so, i just assume it will be another plane nobody flies
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Did u read any of the above??
It goes up to 273mph and and it did see combat.
It could be useful for something in AH...
I did read above :)
The Rufe is an A6M2 with 3 pontoons strapped to the bottom. Thus it's performance will be worse in every possible way.
It would be an interesting plane for sure, but there are far more important aircraft to be produced.
Only 327 Rufes were made according to wiki.
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Thus it's performance will be worse in every possible way.
except its buoyancy :D
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it could be a plane that they add when they redo the a6m
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There was also a floatplane version of the N1K, in fact the N1K series of land planes were developed from the floatplane IIRC. However the only real benefit of any floatplane, fighter or bomber, in the MA would be the ability to launch from a port. Any of them would be inferior to their land/CV plane equivalents in that enviroment and would end up as hangar queens.
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Adding this and the PBY with extra zoom capability for recon operations and sea borne re-supplying capabilities would be defineatly adding a new dimension to the game. I like it.
The Jap plane as suggested would be able to deliver supplies on a scale like the jeep (maybe no troopd and 2X veh supps and 1/2 credit for field supps), and the PBY on a scale similar to the C47 (minus the troops).
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PBY would be far more useful for the resupply reasons mentioned. But I have another observation... Damn nice diorama.:aok "Water" can be a royal pain, but this guy did an outstanding job. :aok
There was also a floatplane version of the N1K, in fact the N1K series of land planes were developed from the floatplane IIRC. However the only real benefit of any floatplane, fighter or bomber, in the MA would be the ability to launch from a port. Any of them would be inferior to their land/CV plane equivalents in that enviroment and would end up as hangar queens.
Greebo, you're right about the N1K, it originally was a floatplane. (weird huh?) However, later PBY's were amphibians with landing gear, so they wouldn't be limited to ports. In fact, PBY's would be ideal for resupplying CV groups.
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The floatplane version of the N1K, the "Rex", was a high-performance aircraft that gave all but the top-end Allied fighters fits.
The float did impair performance, but in a desperate situation, the float could be jettisoned, and the Rex (floatless) became an extremely dangerous aircraft, since it no longer had the weight and drag of the float, or the weight of the internal landing gear mechanisms. Thus, it became a lightweight fighter with extreme maneuverablity, capable of dealing with a Corsair, F6F, or P-51 on more than equal terms. The drawback is, of course, that you have to belly it in somewhere if you manage to survive the encounter.
This is what prompted the IJN to convert the aircraft into a true fighter design. The N1K1 and N1K2 (low wing and mid-wing Nikis) were both not as maneuverable as the floatless Rex because of the added weight of the landing gear, but were still formidable fighters.
The Rufe was not as lucky. Yes, it was used in combat, and it could turn as well as a Zero at lower speeds. It was heavier, had higher wing loading, and was slower than the A6M, but it could still hold it's own against F4Fs. In fact, performance of the two was actually pretty evenly matched.
I think that a PBY, Piper Cub/L-4, Dornier Do-24, Storch or other a/c of that type in-game would be great, not only for flying in supplies, but having the ability to fly out and pick up a ditched pilot, bringing him home and allowing him to land his kills.
J
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Adding this and the PBY with extra zoom capability for recon operations and sea borne re-supplying capabilities would be defineatly adding a new dimension to the game. I like it.
The Jap plane as suggested would be able to deliver supplies on a scale like the jeep (maybe no troopd and 2X veh supps and 1/2 credit for field supps), and the PBY on a scale similar to the C47 (minus the troops).
:aok
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Its a zero with a friggin canoe glued to it, ill take a pass...
Zero sux, and I doubt its squid cousin is any better.
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However the only real benefit of any floatplane, fighter or bomber, in the MA would be the ability to launch from a port. Any of them would be inferior to their land/CV plane equivalents in that enviroment and would end up as hangar queens.
Bingo....but lets say the port is under attack....the CV has been sunk already and the nearest airfield is 1 1/2 to 2 sectors away....M3s and Goons and LVTs are rolling on the port.... Ah my imagination :lol
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I think that a PBY, Piper Cub/L-4, Dornier Do-24, Storch or other a/c of that type in-game would be great, not only for flying in supplies, but having the ability to fly out and pick up a ditched pilot, bringing him home and allowing him to land his kills.
J
As long as the text reads:
"XXX got 2 kills in a Spit XVI but was shot down and had to call his mom to come get him" :)
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A6M2N. We have the A6M2 in game, so we already know the ammo load outs, which are 2 crappy 20mm cannons (copies of the Oerlikon MG/FF in the 109E and Bf110C) and 2 7.7mm machine guns.
From what he posted, this would be a bigger, slower, heavier A6M2.
So negitive, what would you expect from a float plane? I would still be better than just having this 1 VH that can be destroyed easy as pie, am I wrong?
Course there are some ports that have feilds, but thats only 1 map in the game right now.
I agree with this, it could upgrade the japaneese arsenal, and give an addition to the weak ports.
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did the floats take away any speed or turning ablity?
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did the floats take away any speed or turning ablity?
now what do you think....something that big and heavy isnt gonna take away any speed or add drag?? :lol
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Added weight in every aspect of flight. Roll, climb dive..turning.
Imagine, the weight and control loss you get with a 250lb bomb under your plane, well..this thing would do the exact same thing, maby even more.
Long story short, it would make your zeke a pig.
Unless maby these zekes had better performance than the ones we have? hence such additions would not hamper it as much as i would think. (?)
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Added weight in every aspect of flight. Roll, climb dive..turning.
Imagine, the weight and control loss you get with a 250lb bomb under your plane, well..this thing would do the exact same thing, maby even more.
Long story short, it would make your zeke a pig.
Unless maby these zekes had better performance than the ones we have? hence such additions would not hamper it as much as i would think. (?)
According to wiki the engine power of the A6M2N is actually lower than that of the A6M2 that we have. I guess a more gas efficient engine was required since it's a seaplane.
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its a grate i dea beets my idea
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Beets yur speeling two.
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i like the idea better than a b29 because it can land on water only problem are cv's pt's and those tanks that float.
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Its a zero with a friggin canoe glued to it, ill take a pass...
Zero sux, and I doubt its squid cousin is any better.
It's great for base defence and furballing when your carrier is right off shore of an enemy base. It's the best turner as far as fighters go and the guns aren't as bad as you might think.
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As long as the text reads:
"XXX got 2 kills in a Spit XVI but was shot down and had to call his mom to come get him" :)
Dude, I spit coffee all over my monitor... :rofl
Good one...
Nah, I think if we're gonna have a floatplane, it'd be Rex. We already have a N1K1, so adding a float and giving it amphib ability isn't too difficult to code. Only trouble is, you can only land it on water, it requires beaching gear (a wheeled trolley, like a boat trailer).
J
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damnit somone taking my ideas