Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Oldman731 on August 04, 2008, 09:44:34 AM
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While we consolidate past experience and present suggestions for the next war, let's sun ourselves in the Med for a bit.
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MARE NOSTRUM
Welcome to the sunny Mediterranean.
This setup is loosely placed in the late 1943
period. Geographical ownership has been
adjusted to maximize the ability to run
different types of missions, as well as to
enable the usual AvA combat. The focus is
on tactical combat, so there are no heavy
bombers.
The Knight bases (mostly in Corsica) are
neutral. Please do not capture them. We
have found this map to be very sensitive
to a variety of factors, PARTICULARLY
the capture of neutral bases. Leave them
to Napoleon's people.
ALLIES (ROOKS)
Land bases
A-20
B-25C
B-26
C-47
Mosquito
P-38G
P-39Q
P-40E
Spit 5
Carriers
F4F
Seafire
Dauntless
TBM
LVTs
Vehicles
Jeep
The Ms
Sherman Firefly
AXIS (BISHOPS)
Land bases
109G-2
109G-6
110-G
C-202
C-205
C-47
FW-190A5
Ju-87
Ju-88
Vehicles
SdKfz
Ostwind
Wirbelwind
Panzer IV
Tiger I
ARENA SETTINGS
Killshooter is on.
Visibility is 12.0 miles
Fuel burn rate is 1.0
Ack settings are .25
Base capture: 10 troops (maproom hardness .0015)
Radar (1943)
Sector 316,800
Tower 132,000
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Late 43 should have Spit9 and P-47D11.
I know you guys have a problem with the Spit9, maybe at least consider the P-47D11.
Other than that pretty cool looking setup
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Late 43 should have Spit9 and P-47D11.
I know you guys have a problem with the Spit9, maybe at least consider the P-47D11.
Other than that pretty cool looking setup
P47D11 is a good counter to FW190A5.
Venom
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You would even have the Spit VIII present in late '43.
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Too bad we don't have a late '43 109G-6. :noid
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Too bad we don't have a late '43 109G-6. :noid
Is it different from the G-6 in the setup?
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:aok
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Love the new map. Just wondering, though: Had a rather odd experience just a few minutes ago. Took a Sherman and went to trash an enemy airfield. Got all the way to the middle of the field, blew up the water tower and started on the radar before the field started flashing or anything started shooting at me.
Finally, madbird shows up, taking off in a c2, but the one ack that was lighting me up pretty much destroyed the Sherman so I bailed.
Aren't the fields supposed to start flashing before you're already in the middle of them?
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why no hurricane IIC?
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By late '43 a lot of 109G-6's were delivered with a 30mm Mk-108 instead of the 20mm MG-151. Field mods for GM-1 or MW-50 boost were also widespread. Lastly, the 109G-6/AS had a larger supercharger for high altitude operations (more than 1000 built, but I doubt they made it to Italy).
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By late '43 a lot of 109G-6's were delivered with a 30mm Mk-108 instead of the 20mm MG-151. Field mods for GM-1 or MW-50 boost were also widespread. Lastly, the 109G-6/AS had a larger supercharger for high altitude operations (more than 1000 built, but I doubt they made it to Italy).
Interesting stuff thanks for the info, did the G6/AS still have the bulges from the gun breeches as the normal G6? They may well have had some in the Southern Europe somewhere I would think.
If AH had it I'm sure it would make it into every AVA setup it was supposed to be in historically, unlike the usual suspect missing Allied aircraft.
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Oh, good question. No bulges on the G6/AS.
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Oh, good question. No bulges on the G6/AS.
Okay now I have to ask why. IIRC the bulges were to facilitate the breeches on MGs... So did they go back to a lighter caliber MG, or install a better version of the same caliber? I've always wondered what happened to the bulge, which appears in the G6 than is gone in the G10, and K models.
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Okay now I have to ask why. IIRC the bulges were to facilitate the breeches on MGs... So did they go back to a lighter caliber MG, or install a better version of the same caliber? I've always wondered what happened to the bulge, which appears in the G6 than is gone in the G10, and K models.
Since they had to enlarge the cowling to fit the larger supercharger, no more need for bulges. The same goes for the G-14/AS, G-10 and K-4. It's kind of a no brainer to do that anyway, isn't it? :lol So the armament was still 2xMG-131 in the cowling just like the 109G-6.
My educated guess is that the bulges are explained by economics and the desire for a rapid upgrade to the 109's firepower. It is cheaper to slap on the bulges to house the MG-131s than to redo the hole cowling; the 109's firepower had been facing criticism ever since the introduction of the F-series. Average pilots found the 2x7.7mm+1x20mm armament insufficient, and upgrading to 2x13mm+1x20mm is a big improvement. With a good tracking shot I have shot down P-51s and Spitfires with only the cowl 13mm MG's, while the 7.7mm guns are almost dead weight.
FYI, I did some reading and the G-6/AS was used exclusively for high altitude intercept of American escort fighters over Germany, and not until early '44.
Btw, I don't know how much to trust wikipedia, but you appear correct that the Spitfire VIII was in service in Italy in late '43. It really should be added to the setup.
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Since they had to enlarge the cowling to fit the larger supercharger, no more need for bulges. The same goes for the G-14/AS, G-10 and K-4. It's kind of a no brainer to do that anyway, isn't it? :lol So the armament was still 2xMG-131 in the cowling just like the 109G-6.
My educated guess is that the bulges are explained by economics and the desire for a rapid upgrade to the 109's firepower. It is cheaper to slap on the bulges to house the MG-131s than to redo the hole cowling; the 109's firepower had been facing criticism ever since the introduction of the F-series. Average pilots found the 2x7.7mm+1x20mm armament insufficient, and upgrading to 2x13mm+1x20mm is a big improvement. With a good tracking shot I have shot down P-51s and Spitfires with only the cowl 13mm MG's, while the 7.7mm guns are almost dead weight.
FYI, I did some reading and the G-6/AS was used exclusively for high altitude intercept of American escort fighters over Germany, and not until early '44.
Btw, I don't know how much to trust wikipedia, but you appear correct that the Spitfire VIII was in service in Italy in late '43. It really should be added to the setup.
My point was more on the Spit IX which was in service in 1942, and is regularly left out of AVA setups where it should be included. Not that I'm going to fly it much if at all, but it's prescence in the setups keeps the both sides looking over their shoulders.
The Spit IX was a stop gap measurement while the Mk VIII was being produced.I could see maybe leaving the VIII out, but setups which regularly feature a 1943 FW-190, and 43 model 109s, a 1942 Spit should be included as well. I went and looked at some profiles and see the difference in cowling from G2s to G10s. Thanks for the info.
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