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Title: Lancaster "Auto-Ack!"
Post by: SectorNine50 on August 08, 2008, 09:43:30 AM
Just read this, crazy stuff!  I didn't know they were capable of this during WWII.  I was under the impression that their radar was very crude at this stage.  That would have to update quite often to get accurate calculations!  Wonder how big the computer was to run this... :confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_Inn_(codename)
Title: Re: Lancaster "Auto-Ack!"
Post by: Motherland on August 08, 2008, 11:06:30 AM
B29 had them too.
Title: Re: Lancaster "Auto-Ack!"
Post by: Anodizer on August 08, 2008, 01:08:59 PM
Just read this, crazy stuff!  I didn't know they were capable of this during WWII.  I was under the impression that their radar was very crude at this stage.  That would have to update quite often to get accurate calculations!  Wonder how big the computer was to run this... :confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_Inn_(codename)

I did some research a few years back as to what kinds of electronic or "advanced" technology both sides (axis and allies) had.. 
Nightscopes (using infrared), ground mapping raiding, gyro stabilized guns on tanks, lead computing gunsights (knew they had them just didn't know how they worked), data communications (comparable to todays wireless networks), guided rockets, etc..

I knew about most of this stuff for awhile...Just didn't know how it worked..Amazing as to the stuff they could do while limited to vacuum tubes and such..
Title: Re: Lancaster "Auto-Ack!"
Post by: 1sum41 on August 13, 2008, 04:31:10 AM
The British Automatic Gun-Laying Turret (AGLT) was a radar-aimed FN50 turret fitted to some Lancaster bombers in 1944. The AGLT system was devised to allow a target to be tracked and fired-on in total darkness, the target's range being accurately computed as well as allowing for lead and bullet drop. The system was known under the codename Village Inn during development.

The system was devised by a team led by Dr Philip Dee and designed under the aegis of Chief Designer Dr Alan Hodgkin, after receiving a request from the Air Ministry for such a system in early 1943. Village Inn was evaluated and tested by the Telecommunications Research Establishment (TRE) at RAF Defford using the Lancaster Mark I ND712 and the Lancaster Mark IIIs JB705 and LL737 and subsequently put into production.

The system consisted of a transmitter/receiver unit mounted in the navigator's compartment, operating through a conical scanning parabolic aerial attached to the standard Fraser-Nash turret. It worked on a wavelength of 9.1 cm with a pulse repetition frequency of 660 per second. The electronics sent a signal back to the turret, where it was displayed on a cathode ray tube (CRT) display screen positioned adjacent to the gun sight, the image of which was projected on to the Mark IIC gyro gunsight via a semi-transparent mirror.

Initially, ranging information was provided only at the transmitter situated in the navigator's compartment and was read-off to the gunner over the intercom, the gunner using foot pedals to set the target range on the sight. In production equipment the process was made automatic, the range information being fed electronically directly into the gunsight, with the navigator's "running commentary" only being retained for the benefit of the rest of the crew. The gunner simply maneuvered his guns to place the "blip" in the center of the gunsight's reticle, and opened fire when the range was appropriate. Windage, bullet drop and other factors were already calculated by the gunsight.

 
A diagram of the Village Inn scanning systemThe first squadron to use Village Inn operationally was No. 101 Squadron RAF, based at Ludford Magna, in the autumn of 1944, followed soon afterwards by 49, 156 and 635 Squadrons.

Village Inn was eventually produced in three Marks:

AGLT Mark I - initial design.

AGLT Mark II - modified, improved, Mark I - soon discontinued.

AGLT Mark III - scanning aerial mounted remotely from turret. Scan independent of turret's movements.

The system was also fitted to the Rose Rice twin gun 0.5in turret on at least one Avro Lincoln B.Mk II, although how many so-fitted is not known at present[1].

A similar type of system was produced in the US by the Emerson Company, St Louis, when an Emerson Model III tail turret was equipped with the Emerson APG8 Blind Tracking Radar and fitted to the Canadian-built Lancaster KB805. The system was found to have no advantages over the British system and the project was subsequently dropped.
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Title: Re: Lancaster "Auto-Ack!"
Post by: Angus on August 15, 2008, 07:31:31 AM
So, the B29's didn't have this and it is being mixed with their remote controlled turrets?