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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: sirvlad on August 09, 2008, 01:05:46 PM
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How come everyone cares about the jews being killed by germans but no one cares about native american indians? Whats the difference? Oh yeah we killed nearly all of them and relocated those we didn`t to reservations. Sounds quite similiar to me.
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One would postulate that it's because the game is centered around World War Two.
If the game was called "Cowboys and Indians" there might indeed be a rule against glamorizing the genocide of the Native Americans.
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The Germans killed Jews who were German citizens for the purpose of the extermination of a race.
The American settlers fought the Indians for possesion of their lands.
The American Indians were allowed to sign treaty's bringing an end to the conflict. The Jews were offered no such accomodation.
There's a big difference.
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After the "Bush-Cheney" administration, I'm about ready for the
Indian-Nations to take it back. Ted Nugent would be President. :rock
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Most Americans who's parents were born in this country have Indian blood in them. You would have to kill every American to get ride of every trace of the Indians. The Indians have a very strong influence on our culture.
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The Germans killed Jews who were German citizens for the purpose of the extermination of a race.
The American settlers fought the Indians for possesion of their lands.
The American Indians were allowed to sign treaty's bringing an end to the conflict. The Jews were offered no such accomodation.
There's a big difference.
since when are jews a race.?? last i heard its a religion.
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since when are jews a race.?? last i heard its a religion.
You are incorrect, then.
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You are incorrect, then.
really?
IIRC the nazis made Jewdiasm a race, otherwise it is a religion.
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A Jew (Hebrew: יְהוּדִי, Yehudi (sl.); יְהוּדִים, Yehudim (pl.); Ladino: ג׳ודיו, Djudio (sl.); ג׳ודיוס, Djudios (pl.); Yiddish: ייִד, Yid (sl.); ייִדן, Yidn (pl.))[8] is a member of the Jewish people, an ethnoreligious group originating from the Israelites or Hebrews of the ancient Middle East. The ethnicity and the religion of Judaism, the traditional faith of the Jewish nation, are strongly interrelated, and converts to Judaism are both included and have been absorbed within the Jewish people throughout the millennia.
If it is not a race of people, then how do you explain this definition of a Jew?
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If it is not a race of people, then how do you explain this definition of a Jew?
A group of people who share a common religion?
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In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race, at least for purposes of certain anti-discrimination laws. Their reasoning: at the time these laws were passed, people routinely spoke of the "Jewish race" or the "Italian race" as well as the "Negro race," so that is what the legislators intended to protect. But many Jews were deeply offended by that decision, offended by any hint that Jews could be considered a race. The idea of Jews as a race brings to mind nightmarish visions of Nazi Germany, where Jews were declared to be not just a race, but an inferior race.
However if one follows the literal translation of Race then there is no "Jewish Race".Race is a genetic distinction, and refers to people with shared ancestry and shared genetic traits. You can't change your race; it's in your DNA.
I feel it's not a race, It's like freez said a group of individuals who share common religious beliefs.
:salute
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How come everyone cares about the jews being killed by germans but no one cares about native american indians? Whats the difference? Oh yeah we killed nearly all of them and relocated those we didn`t to reservations. Sounds quite similiar to me.
Who said no one cares? The thread was whether a Waffen SS squad name would be appropriate.
If you wish to start a thread discussing man's inhumanity to man, go for it. Since Native American's had nothing to do with the thread talking about the Waffen SS, it made little sense to discuss it.
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How come everyone cares about the jews being killed by germans but no one cares about native american indians? Whats the difference? Oh yeah we killed nearly all of them and relocated those we didn`t to reservations. Sounds quite similiar to me.
Umm... O'Club please?
And Jews were (for the most part) herded into camps where the intention of their lives was DEATH. Americans didn't do that to their indian captives.
IN
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See Rule #7
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And do a little research -- the vast majority of American Indian deaths came from imported diseases, not from genocide.
Indians were mistreated, they were cheated, but they were not slaughtered wholesale. The scale is absolutely incomparable: The famous Wounded Knee Massacre of Lakota Sioux by the US Cavalry killed between 200 and 300 men, women and children; Lists of reported massacred Indians total about a thousand dead over 60 years.
Meanwhile, the Nazi machine killed on average 6000 prisoners PER DAY.
And you wonder why you aren't taken seriously?
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So where did all the indians go,I live on the east coast and have never seen 1 in my life. I guess they didn`t like water front life and prefered to live in the middle of the dessert. And for the record I have never said I agreed with the killings,though I do seem to believe in most of their beliefs.
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The nazis killed jews because they were "satans decendents" which dont make sence since they all belive in god
-BigBOBCH
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good move redlegs.
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ya and Darfur as well. also no one mentioned the Serbs. Tiananmen Square incident, the Holy Inquisition, the conquistadors, the holy roman empire, byzantine empire, and the salem whitch hunt!
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So where did all the indians go,I live on the east coast and have never seen 1 in my life. I guess they didn`t like water front life and prefered to live in the middle of the dessert.
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They're still around, and starting to find a way to get their piece of the pie, in case you really meant dessert instead of desert.. Yes the First Americans got dumped on and had it broke off in them because of the politics, and ethics of the times.
I would'nt call it genocide though. The photo above is from Oklahoma not exactly the middle of the desert. Montana and the Dakotas are not desert either.
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Native Americans fought back
Jews didn't
The ignorance that shows itself on this board sometimes is frightening.
Suggest you start with the Warsaw Ghetto,Treblinka and any number of other stories.
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OMG in
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lol casinos lost an entire continent but hey now they got slots
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If this post isIN't locked when i get back ill post.bbl
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How come everyone cares about the jews being killed by germans but no one cares about native american indians? Whats the difference? Oh yeah we killed nearly all of them and relocated those we didn`t to reservations. Sounds quite similiar to me.
:O
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I think Skuzzy really should start dropping a 10 lb sledge on those who appear to time this kind of utter c**p to the weekend...
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:huh Navajo if your out there and still apart of the community, now is the time to chime in. :salute
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umm this is some sort of self justifaction on the part of the OP..for his own feelings of either hate or a need to believe the SS was a "Honorable" part of the german wartime forces 1939 thru 1944..anyone can reasearch history to find what the okw heer or other regualar german armed forces felt and dealt with the SS its either that or yet another LAME troll..which IN the latter a very misguided soul..take the time do the research the fanatical and huge losses taken by any waffen SS unit always undermined the goal..american indians well bud..i'm half maine mic mac..and i live and breath just like alot of other maine tribes and indians across the USA..we have always been here..
KnifeFTr :t
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So where did all the indians go...
Next weekend I'm taking my family to the Chief Looking Glass Powwow in Kamiah, Idaho (Nez Perce Reservation). They're still around.
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You are incorrect, then.
Jews are not a Race or a Religion.... If you are a Jew you are from the tribe of peoples named after Judah. There are 12 other tribes.... They all are Hebrews or Hebraic people.... Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew does not make one religious.
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"How come everyone cares about the jews being killed by germans but no one cares about native american indians? Whats the difference? Oh yeah we killed nearly all of them and relocated those we didn`t to reservations. Sounds quite similiar to me."
...Sorry, but we do not need to justify, debate, bring to light, argue, every "bad deed" done in the last 2000+ years of Western Civilization, from the Punic Wars to the 2003 Gulf War to call the Waffen-SS what they were.
"I think Skuzzy really should start dropping a 10 lb sledge on those who appear to time this kind of utter c**p to the weekend..."
Amen.
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I think Skuzzy really should start dropping a 10 lb sledge on those who appear to time this kind of utter c**p to the weekend...
Make no mind. Sirvlad will be castrated come Monday, so his fairy princess will be cheating on him. Because he won't be "Sir".
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Foxwoods Resort
A few here. East Coast not too far from the water
Also a few at Mohegan Sun in Conn.
I'm in Maine, when last I checked was on the East Coast, we have Indians everywhere around here, they have a huge yearly Pow-wow (meeting/fair sort of thing) in my town so I see them alot.
This has nothing at all to do with the other thread should be in O'club and might just be locked anyway :)
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lets let these silly threads die.
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Most Americans who's parents were born in this country have Indian blood in them. You would have to kill every American to get ride of every trace of the Indians. The Indians have a very strong influence on our culture.
and on the planet zog!
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Most Americans who's parents were born in this country have Indian blood in them. You would have to kill every American to get ride of every trace of the Indians. The Indians have a very strong influence on our culture.
Yep, Like where I live, Indianapolis.
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Because on centers on the growth of this Nation. kill Indians you rock to this day. Prevent the holocaust we can balance one against the other. Jews> Natives.
We do not own the NY times. :cry
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Most Americans who's parents were born in this country have Indian blood in them. You would have to kill every American to get ride of every trace of the Indians. The Indians have a very strong influence on our culture.
My father is 3/4 and im..well dont know =/
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wow you people sure are touchy!!!!!!!
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Jews are not a Race or a Religion.... If you are a Jew you are from the tribe of peoples named after Judah. There are 12 other tribes.... They all are Hebrews or Hebraic people.... Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew does not make one religious.
so does this mean that you can be an athiest and still be called a jew if you can trace your bloodline back to the above mentioned group of people ?
or lets say you convert to Judaism,does this mean that you are not refered to as a jew,even though you werent decended from the above mentioned ''tribe'' ???
ps i love debates,perticurly on religions. so dont think i am bashing on anyone.
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Because on centers on the growth of this Nation. kill Indians you rock to this day. Prevent the holocaust we can balance one against the other. Jews> Natives.
We do not own the NY times. :cry
In the (perhaps vain) assumption that there is a coherent thought behind those incoherent words...Are you saying that the only reason the holocaust gets more press than the plight of American Indians is that "the Jews" own the New York Times?
I'm naive enough to have thought that kind of paranoid anti-semitism only hung on among neoNazis who feared the black helicopters enough to keep quiet in public.
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These threads are as bad as the media about the "hate" card.
someone is going to go off on one of these.
best to just let a dead dog lay :aok
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The Germans killed Jews who were German citizens for the purpose of the extermination of a race.
The American settlers fought the Indians for possesion of their lands.
The American Indians were allowed to sign treaty's bringing an end to the conflict. The Jews were offered no such accomodation.
There's a big difference.
Allowed to sign treaties? Are these the very same treaties that the white men broke all the time?
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Take this crap to the O' Club.
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Take this crap to the O' Club.
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Next time you're in NYC, sirvlad....look up! Many of the steel workers walking up high are American Indians and they are hired for their skill! The United States Army conquered the American Indian Tribes across the American Continent and not without loss. The American Indian stood against a Government it did not understand, and accepted that Government's Treaties as it would a Treaty from Tribe to Tribe. Do you understand? Both parties made choices...both parties broke Truce, and neither understood the other; but! Both parties had a voice, and both parties tried to communicate with each other. This was not the case in Nazi Germany.
If you wish to generalize American History and then compare it to Nazi Germany, I suggest you duck your head and hunt a hole beacause Arty is incomming and I am at it's leading edge!
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One would postulate that it's because the game is centered around World War Two.
If the game was called "Cowboys and Indians" there might indeed be a rule against glamorizing the genocide of the Native Americans.
Good point WMLute!
The original post troubles me though... Let's see if I get the gist...
Because the US Army hunted down the Native Americans took their land and put them on reservations (at best) 150 or so years ago, that justifies the SS and their infinitely more benevolent treatment of all the non Aryans they came across during their holiday travels across occupied Europe.
Did I understand the post correctly?
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Heeeeey just passing by on my way to a retard convention... any of you guys need a ride?
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Who`s ARTY??
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Allowed to sign treaties? Are these the very same treaties that the white men broke all the time?
So then I assume you feel since the treaties were all broken, that we are still at war with the various Indian tribes around the nation? If so I also assume you would think the Army would be justified in putting all these "hostiles" in a POW camp???
You see trying to play the "blame game" with history as your foil never solves anything, the holocost was a miserable thing to have happened, on a horrible scale.
It cannot however be compared to the American Indian situation either in context or form, since the two events in history are NOT similar except to those who wish to make some kind of "anti" point against the U S government or the country as a whole.
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so does this mean that you can be an athiest and still be called a jew if you can trace your bloodline back to the above mentioned group of people ?
or lets say you convert to Judaism,does this mean that you are not refered to as a jew,even though you werent decended from the above mentioned ''tribe'' ???
I would like to see Zaren13's response to the above two questions.
Fred
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O... Zazen, You are needed