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Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: straffo on December 20, 2000, 05:03:00 AM: Let me describe something happened last monday night :

I was on a superb knive fight with a F4U in my Yak at 3/4K with a country mate in a "blue abomination" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) at 10K+ (for me after 10K it's the stratosphere ,I'me a metric system dweeb unable to do the proper convertion (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) without errors )
I was working like a surgeon (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) removing part after part of the F4U (1st one aileron next the elevator etc ...) after seing the F4U spinning to the ground (at this state he is obviously killed) I extend to grab alt for another fight just to see the ù*^$^$^ù*ù country "mate" diving on my prey spraying 20 mm shell on it and get the kill (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif).

I just want to know how the assist is determined by AH it the weight of bullet who is used or the critical effect of the impacts ?
I'm sure the F4U can send more weight per second than a Yak but it this case it's not fair (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Disgusted I've logged of and I'me seriouly thinking about buying Q3 !
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: TheWobble on December 20, 2000, 05:14:00 AM: from what i have seen its whoever hits them last gets the kill and the person before that gets the assist, thats based on what i have seen though.
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: juzz on December 20, 2000, 05:28:00 AM: Just think; will this type of behaviour become more common with the introduction of perk points? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: Torque on December 20, 2000, 05:33:00 AM: Nope Wobble it's whoever causes the most damage gets kills. That's why I hate when dorknuts follow my stabless kills down only too vulch them. Sometimes it tis hard to tell if an AC is dead or not. I really don't get mad if it's a newbie tho, watching them following a fluttering stabless AC down using all their ammo I chuckle actually. The best is when you take their rear stabs off high and watch them fall, while 3 guys follow the dead AC down pumping ammo into it. Your @ 10 k and they're @ 2k and you get kill hehehehe I chuckle bigtime then.

Good point Juzz like the top rail in 190 A8 you informed me about. I went and looked at some pics doh....

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Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: Vermillion on December 20, 2000, 06:24:00 AM: Yep Staffo its a big problem in a Yak

<----- Fellow Yak Driver

I don't know how many times I fight someone down from 25k to 8k, disable his aircraft, only to see some idjut in a cannon monster come in and expend 400 (exageration? only sliglty (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)) 20mm cannon rounds into his out of control aircraft and then I only get an assist.

About the only thing that we can hope for, is for Pyro to include the Yak-9UT armament options asap, so that we have some serious firepower ourselves. Still won't have much ammo, but x2 20mm + x1 23mm should do very nicely, or even just the x3 20mm version.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on December 20, 2000, 06:30:00 AM: Hi

Oh my god how many chogs steal my kills, no way to stop it though I guess. Try calling out "enemy plane dead" so at least you can avoid the accidental ones.

thanks GRUNHERZ
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: straffo on December 20, 2000, 07:00:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by juzz:
Just think; will this type of behaviour become more common with the introduction of perk points?
I don't care of the perk point as I fly only the plane I can manage (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (don't laught I'm about to give the G2 a try (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) namely the Yak or the Typhoon (for jabo purpose).

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Originally posted by Torque:
<...>I really don't get mad if it's a newbie tho]<...>

I don't care either as I've made the mistake myself when I was a full newbie (now I'm just half of a newbie (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)) but in this case it was a member of a well known bish squad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)

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Originally posted by vermillion:
About the only thing that we can hope for, is for Pyro to include the Yak-9UT armament options asap, so that we have some serious firepower ourselves. Still won't have much ammo, but x2 20mm + x1 23mm should do very nicely, or even just the x3 20mm version.

Wont' be difficult the as airframe is already done and they "just" have to add weight (IMO).
Give me the 37mm and I won't whinne about assist anymore (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) but we will heard the scream "UBER" from some well known luftwobble (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: Smut on December 20, 2000, 07:34:00 AM: I've had it happen to me as well, and it ain't been newbie players doing the in air vultching either. At one point a few weeks ago, I had one "well known" CHOG sub dweeb literally following me around. If it happens once, ok, stuff happens in the arena. But three times in a row? And after I pointed it out on the radio, said player was actually laughing about it...not denying it.

You know who you are dude, and it sure doesn't make me respect your squads "top 5" ranking very much.

-Smut
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: Wilbus on December 20, 2000, 07:41:00 AM: Think this is a pretty big problem when you fly planes with "bad" armement such as the Yak and my 109.
The 109 has and optional 30mm though but that is hard to hit with, and if you use 3x20mm the plane gets too slow.

Let's just hope that people learn too get their own kills instead of "killing" the ones allready dead.
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Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: Wingnut_0 on December 20, 2000, 08:04:00 AM: Out of the 52 assist in tour 10, I can honestly say 30 of them should of gone in the kill column.

I like everyone else don't mind some teamwork going on but there's definately a good amount of folks who won't take the guy behind you and they'll dive right for the guy 200 yards on ur 12...

This happened to me last week and disgusted me so bad I think i've played 20 minutes since.

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GeschwaderKommadore
P.T.R. "Black 13"

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The quality of the box matters little. Success depends upon the man who sits in it - Baron Manfred von Richthofen

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Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: Westy on December 20, 2000, 08:37:00 AM: "it's whoever causes the most damage gets kills"

Yup. So don't let em fall down smoking. Make em pop if there are <cough> "friendlies" around.

OR!

Next time work like a surgeon and only remove the pilot. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

-Westy

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Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: straffo on December 20, 2000, 09:23:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Westy:
"it's whoever causes the most damage gets kills"
I've done all the hard/dity work but not for AH sadly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)

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Yup. So don't let em fall down smoking. Make em pop if there are <cough> "friendlies" around.
A good way to be shot down ...

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Next time work like a surgeon and only remove the pilot. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

That why I've left medicine to work with computers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I've a little trouble with my accuracy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: Dingy on December 20, 2000, 09:50:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by TheWobble:
from what i have seen its whoever hits them last gets the kill and the person before that gets the assist, thats based on what i have seen though.

Nope thats not it. There is probably some level of scoring which tracks how much damage each pilot causes on a target. He laid more damage on that plane than you did. Nothing odd there.

The crappy part is how your countrymate fired on an obviously dead enemy. Thats low and I feel for ya. I've seen my share of that crap as well.

-Ding
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: Nash on December 20, 2000, 10:07:00 AM: I've had it happen lots too... but...

There have been tons of cases where I *know* it was an accident. Sometimes they just don't realize it's dead. One way of alleviating the problem a bit is to come here and ask your brethren to be more careful. A better way would be if HTC just implemented a better system to detect fatal damage.

erhm... yah, what Dingy said. It seems to either assign value to certain types of damage (explosion worth more than wing removal), or, it is the value of the cumulative damage (removing the wing is less than removing the tail + pilot wound + explosion). It would be best if, at the moment some kind of critical damage was done, it would recognize that as being fatal, and that's it.

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Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: RAM on December 20, 2000, 10:32:00 AM: Heh what I hate the most is the NON_OFFICIAL kill stealing...for that I mean...

A enemy F4U bounces me. I avoid him. He bounces me again, I avoid him once more. He eventually comes down and starts to fight like a man. I outmaneouver it. I gain E on it. I am about to kill it...

When a guy comes and kills my work.

I hate it the most because they even ask you to say thank you! because "they saved my butt"

I know that this sometimes happens with the best of the intentions..but sometimes I can tell when a "friend" was looking for the right moment, when I have the bad guy without E and hangin on prop ready to be ded.

THEN they dive.

Sux, doesnt it? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
LOL!...
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: SKurj on December 20, 2000, 10:48:00 AM: A possible solution...

Have the kill go to the pilot that removed the first critical component of the aircraft. Whole wing, vert stab, tail structure etc. Possibly issue credit for the kill upon this occuring. For the pilot getting the kill he would then be able to keep his alt and laugh as he watches the kill stealers gather around the already dead aircraft.
In a situation where there are multiple aircraft attacking one, the first pilot to do fatal damage would get the kill. This may not be perfect, but better than the current system. In cases where you've removed both elevators for example, the above system likely wouldn't help much. As long as we have the death spirals etc there may always be a chance for someone to finish the job. The alternative... POPPING aircraft like in AW.. we don't want that huh..

AKskurj
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: SKurj on December 20, 2000, 10:49:00 AM: OOpps and for those who complain about kill stealers! Do your part, once you know you are done, bail even if u don't pull your chute, and give credit where credit is due.

AKskruj
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: funked on December 20, 2000, 11:49:00 AM: RAM that's called Loose Deuce...

This is a team sport, you score potatos. Get a grip. Stop focusing on your pretty little stats and have some fun.
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: RAM on December 20, 2000, 12:11:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by funked:
Stop focusing on your pretty little stats and have some fun.

The day I start focusing in the stats I will start flying much higher than 15K, and not diving into a sea of cons to clear someone's six...

I do it right now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: Dead Man Flying on December 20, 2000, 12:13:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SKurj:
OOpps and for those who complain about kill stealers! Do your part, once you know you are done, bail even if u don't pull your chute, and give credit where credit is due.

AKskruj

I couldn't do that even if I wanted to. I unmapped the bail keys to prevent any momentary lapses of reason that might prevent me from causing a massive, smoking hole in the ground at the end of each and every flight.

Works like a charm too.

-- Todd/DMF
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: Torque on December 20, 2000, 05:02:00 PM: A enemy F4U bounces me. I avoid him. He bounces me again, I avoid him once more. He eventually comes down and starts to fight like a man. I outmaneouver it. I gain E on it. I am about to kill it...

LOL Ram that is a pretty funny statement since most Waffles just run after they lose the advantage. But as Hristo pointed out it's good ACM.

He eventually comes down and starts to fight like a man. LOL are you saying those A8 and 109 pilots that do this are not?

This i gotta see!

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Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: RAM on December 20, 2000, 05:18:00 PM: Torque, after I take off I climb to 15K. sometimes a bit higher (17-18K) most times lower (12-14K), in my fw190A5. Nearly all lonewolf sorties.

If I was to run AFTER I lose advantage I wont take off...because 80% of my fights start from a severe disadvantage (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

BTW anyone who has fited me will tell you one thing:

RAM may win or lose a fight. But RAM Stays ALWAYS in the fight. RAM ALWAYS is willing to help a country mate...and call sixes whenever possible.

And BTW I luv to outmaneouver bouncing cons (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) the 190A5 is the best plane for that, IMO (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: Torque on December 20, 2000, 06:04:00 PM: RAM may win or lose a fight. But RAM Stays ALWAYS in the fight. RAM ALWAYS is willing to help a country mate...and call sixes whenever possible Does Hristo or whatever his handle is this week know about this, are you guys still friends?

Plus you never did answer my question about the MAN thing above? Curious.

Ram you are the UNWAFFLE Waffle.

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Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: Tac on December 21, 2000, 12:02:00 AM: I proposed something like that some time ago Skurj.

HTC should really make a `fatal` damage thing (aka, when wing breaks, or stabilizers are shot out, etc) and award the kill to the player that inflicted that damage once the plane crashes. That way any dickhead that follows a wingless plane to the deck, spraying 20mm into it will definetely do a lot more `damage` than the guy that cut that plane`s wings with 2 .50`s, but he wont get the kill OR an assist.

Oh man, ill be home tomorrow... WARM ME P-38 boys, this flying target is coming back! =)
Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: Vermillion on December 21, 2000, 06:43:00 AM: Staffo, the NS-37 37mm cannon & the NS-45 45mm cannon are Uber (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

In prior Yak-9UT and Yak-9T discussions, Pyro seemed to indicate that it wasn't likely that we would see either of those two guns in AH for a very long time.

Basically with either gun, you would open up Tanks with a single shell, and rip bombers totally apart.

NS-37 37mm x 195mm (735 g) 250 rpm 900 m/s
NS-45 45mm x 182mm (1065 g) 250 rpm 850 m/s

Both guns fire shells with almost the same muzzle velocity of a Hispano 20mm, but with shells that are 6-8 times larger. True, rate of fire is slow, but it only takes one of these babies.

Also in comparison, the US M4 37mm cannon (in the P-39 Aircobra) has half the rate of fire, only 60% of the velocity, and the American shell is only 60-80% as large.

M4 37mm x 145R (608 g) 140 rpm 610 m/s

Some truely scary firepower!

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

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Title: How the hell this "ù*^$$" Assist code work ^?
Post by: straffo on December 21, 2000, 07:21:00 AM: Quote
Some truely scary firepower!
You are sure ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)