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How to kill vehicles
by NEARY
i have learned the secret to killing vehicles. it is basiclly really easy. there are three great planes for three different kinds of vehicles.
#1:killing light vehicles (lvts,pt boats,m16s,m3s,m8s,jeeps) any plane can kill or disable a light vehicle but the b-25h is best suited because it carries HE rounds and that means less aiming,the reason it is best for light vehicles is because it is big and is an easy target for flak and is also killed by tank guns when attacking.with the exeption of the m16 and some good m8 tankers it is unbeatable against light vehicles.
#2:killing flak (wirbelwind,ostwind,m16) the il-2 is great for killing flak because of it's cannon shots. the il-2 is a very tough plane, and that is why it is good for killing flak, if you hit the m16 it is likely to explode. when going against the ostwind and wirbelwind, aim for the turret as a couple of shots into the turret will disable the flak and will make it all but comepletly useless and vulnerable.don't be shy with the il-2, go directly toward the flak and start shooting at 600-800 feet.
#3:tank killing(panzer,tiger,m4,t-34) the a-20 is the best plane for killing tanks, it takes a little practice but the payoff is huge. if you see an enemy tank approach it (don't forget to open bomb bay) switch to external view (f3), head toward it at a 45-25 degree angle. at about 400-600 feet away drop a single bomb while heading straight toward the tank,REMEMBER TO PULL UP OR THE BOMBS BACKBLAST WILL KILL YOU. it should kill it, i have had much success.
All of these planes (except the il-2) are terribly vulnerble to fighters and are a tempting target to anyone.
if you see an enemy fighter say your prayers because there is not much you can do about it unless you are really good.
other than that,enjoy the game and have as much fun as possible.Enjoy! :D
-NEARY
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All of these planes (except the il-2) are terribly vulnerble to fighters and are a tempting target to anyone.
if you see an enemy fighter say your prayers because there is not much you can do about it unless you are really good.
Not trying to rain on your parade here, but I wouldn't count an A20 as "terribly vulnerble to fighters". The A20 can be downright deadly in a fighter role if used correctly. Snaphook/Humble comes to mind for some reason...
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Not trying to rain on your parade here, but I wouldn't count an A20 as "terribly vulnerble to fighters". The A20 can be downright deadly in a fighter role if used correctly. Snaphook/Humble comes to mind for some reason...
most of the time it is easy rey unless you HO it
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lol dont let snap hear that blasphemy/
A20 very tough bird and a good stick can make you eat the ground quickly.
people see it and think slow bomber but if your light you can light someone's night up.
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You forgot the F6F-5, F4U1-D, FW190F-8, Huiicane Mk II D, P-38J, P-38L, P-47D-40, P-51D and a host of other great GV busters. And most of these are also great fighters.
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#3 A20 is my fav for tank busting but I got to question the technique - aim directly for the GV and your bombs will drop short every time. I aim ~50yd ahead of the target at 45deg, seems to work pretty well. 130-200yds seems way too close as well, how long do bombs need to arm?
the centre mounted .50s make light work of targets of type #1 too (although I prefer the typhie for these) :)
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If there's no Wirbel around... Hurri D!
Just got some "BS Snailman! That's impossible" comments last night after killing a Tiger who was just sitting there believing in his invulnerability :D
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Hurri D gv kills are very satisfying :D 30-45deg, aim for the engine compartment, boom! but like you say, not if theres a wirble within 1000yd
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Hurri D gv kills are very satisfying :D 30-45deg, aim for the engine compartment, boom! but like you say, not if theres a wirble within 1000yd
the wirbel is the toughest thing you can possibly try to kill in an a-20,i would avoid trying it :uhoh
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You forgot the F6F-5, F4U1-D, FW190F-8, Huiicane Mk II D, P-38J, P-38L, P-47D-40, P-51D and a host of other great GV busters. And most of these are also great fighters.
but none of them have external view and cannot hold as much ord as the a-20 :devil
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Nice write-up Neary, why don't you contact Wantok about adding it to the Aces High wiki (you should include the suggestions made by other people if you do so).
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Yossarian
EDIT, sorry didn't read your original post carefully enough :o
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Any plane with forward firing machine guns can fulfill roles 1 and 2.
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most of the time it is easy prey unless you HO it
negative. out climbed my lgay 7 when i was flying it one time out of boredom, and i had just come from a slight dive :cry
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A20s zoom ability always catches people out :D
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but none of them have external view and cannot hold as much ord as the a-20 :devil
Bombing in "external view" is gamey at best ... the releasing of bombs while in external view should not be allowed.
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Bombing in "external view" is gamey at best ... the releasing of bombs while in external view should not be allowed.
Agreed. Kinda like having a Lead Computing Optical Sight for the Wirblewind....Hmmm, on second thought. Bring on the Lead computing sights for the Wirblewind!
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Bombing in "external view" is gamey at best ... the releasing of bombs while in external view should not be allowed.
not only is it gamey...i find it more accurate to bomb in the internal view mode...but hey, that's just my opinion
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You mentioned the B-25 being best for the light armored vehicle, while this may be true, it fulfills all roles except fighter (unless done right) rather well. I have killed all vehicles with the cannon and all but the Tiger and 251 (little bugger is rare to see) have gone down in one hit. So really unless you are careless with the plane it is great for all those spots. Simply aim for the back/side of the turret or the gas tank and get a one hit kill. If you need to kills flaks and for some reason can't get it with cannon/MG then just bomb it, ya got 6x 500LBers, or 3x 1,000LBers (or whatever variation you take). Also PT boats are not a smart idea if you get overconfident and think it's going to be an easy kill, that thing is armed more than enough to kill a B25 in one pass.
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Bombing in "external view" is gamey at best ... the releasing of bombs while in external view should not be allowed.
agreed, then again, only way ive ever bombed a gv. the internal view i may as well salvo all my bombs and still rely on luck to get me 1 kill
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You mentioned the B-25 being best for the light armored vehicle, while this may be true, it fulfills all roles except fighter (unless done right) rather well. I have killed all vehicles with the cannon and all but the Tiger and 251 (little bugger is rare to see) have gone down in one hit. So really unless you are careless with the plane it is great for all those spots. Simply aim for the back/side of the turret or the gas tank and get a one hit kill. If you need to kills flaks and for some reason can't get it with cannon/MG then just bomb it, ya got 6x 500LBers, or 3x 1,000LBers (or whatever variation you take). Also PT boats are not a smart idea if you get overconfident and think it's going to be an easy kill, that thing is armed more than enough to kill a B25 in one pass.
What range do you shoot the cannon from, and how often do you hit?
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Yossarian
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What range do you shoot the cannon from, and how often do you hit?
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Yossarian
I will normally fire anywhere from 400-3K out. Between 400-800 i hit about 75% of the time. 1-1.5K about 50-60%. 1.5k and out is only about 30% as i normally don't like relying on those ranges. If firing on something such as ack, buildings, hangers i will fire anywhere from 5K or more and closer and have about 50% hit ratio.
Best shot i have pulled off recently was just 1.5K out flak, one hit kill. I have been helping a squaddie with other things, but soon to get back into the B25 :D
:salute
-Xcelsior
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I could use a decent gunsight for the 25H (and A20 too maybe) anyone know of a good one?
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Here's the one that I use, but I'd be interested to know which one1701E uses, as he seems to be far better with that cannon than I :D
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,243785.msg2975293.html#msg2975293
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Yossarian
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ty will try that one :) I saw a great one a while back that had horizontal lines of the correct width to match the length of a panz at each range (spaced 400yd i think) with a small vertical mark on each, can't seem to find it now :(
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lol dont let snap hear that blasphemy/
A20 very tough bird and a good stick can make you eat the ground quickly.
people see it and think slow bomber but if your light you can light someone's night up.
it allso works great for breaking up furballs.blast through any furball in a A20 and you will have peeps break away from ther targets to chase you down :devil
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Must be the only one that uses default sights on all planes (maybe one i changed long ago, i forget). I just learned that way and have learned to adjust accordingly. :D
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Interesting that no one has mentioned the Mosquito as a GV killer. Its 4 500lbs generally mean 4 GV kills if you use them on anything but a Tiger.
Generally I have most success against tigers by dropping the 2 500lbers in the bomb bay. They are closer together and so appear to give better results.
Also the Mosquito can pull up better than an A20 (at least for me) and that allows attacking Flaks in the vertical, enabling you to drop from higher alts, reducing the chance of getting shredded. This also gives a good angle for a blast of 20mm to take out the flak gun.
Speaking of 20mms, these kill the light GVs real easy.
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ty will try that one :) I saw a great one a while back that had horizontal lines of the correct width to match the length of a panz at each range (spaced 400yd i think) with a small vertical mark on each, can't seem to find it now :(
I'll post a request for this in another bit of the forum (probably the AH general discussion one).
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...Its 4 500lbs generally mean 4 GV kills if you use them on anything but a Tiger. ....
can do some serious damage to a tiger with a 500 lb, can even kill it. i never done it, but i know some people who have killed tigers with a 500lbr.
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the wirbel is the toughest thing you can possibly try to kill in an a-20,i would avoid trying it :uhoh
If you strafe them, yeah, it can be painful. But, bomb them and they are no serious issue. The secret is learning to bomb accurately from outside the effective range of their 20mm cannon. Master that and you will own that part of the field.
My regards,
Widewing
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Not trying to rain on your parade here, but I wouldn't count an A20 as "terribly vulnerble to fighters". The A20 can be downright deadly in a fighter role if used correctly. Snaphook/Humble comes to mind for some reason...
Absolutely... If guys think an A-20 is easy kill, they will not survive a skilled A-20 driver. There are several extremely dangerous A-20 pilots in the game, and usually you won't recognize them until it's too late.
This tour, I'm 40/0 in the A-20G, 36/3 in the IL-2, with about half of those being unsuspecting or overconfident fighter pilots. I happily fly either into a furball.
My regards,
Widewing
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Absolutely... If guys think an A-20 is easy kill, they will not survive a skilled A-20 driver. There are several extremely dangerous A-20 pilots in the game, and usually you won't recognize them until it's too late.
This tour, I'm 40/0 in the A-20G, 36/3 in the IL-2, with about half of those being unsuspecting or overconfident fighter pilots. I happily fly either into a furball.
My regards,
Widewing
Two quick questions:
What is the range of the Wirble's 20mm, and what's that plane in your avatar?
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Yossarian
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Two quick questions:
What is the range of the Wirble's 20mm, and what's that plane in your avatar?
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Yossarian
Drop from between 1.5k and 2.0k and you should be relatively safe.
The plane in the avatar is the type I logged the most time in... The S2F and C-1A.
(http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Oshkosh2002/Samplers/PostWw2/S2TakingOff.jpg)
With the original Wright R-1820-82W engines.
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/3/3/1361333.jpg)
Re-engined with turbo-props.
My regards,
Widewing
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Cool, thanks :aok
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what was the planes role widewing, transport or search and rescue?
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what was the planes role widewing, transport or search and rescue?
Anti-sub.....
My regards,
Widewing
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A20 very tough bird and a good stick can make you eat the ground quickly.
people see it and think slow bomber but if your light you can light someone's night up.
So true & if you really want to play with some one in a one one take up a Boston. People dismiss it
& pay for it.
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Absolutely... If guys think an A-20 is easy kill, they will not survive a skilled A-20 driver. There are several extremely dangerous A-20 pilots in the game, and usually you won't recognize them until it's too late.
A few weeks ago I ran across a pair of A20s. I was flying a KI-84 and had a little bit of an alt advantage. They were working very closely together. So much so that I absolutely could not saddle up on one A20 without exposing myself to the other. After several minutes, I managed to get a good deflection burst into one right as his partner scored a PW on me. I disengaged and headed for home, as did the other guy. Kind of wish I had crashed, or the other guy had. I would have liked to have found out who those two were. Their coordination was quite impressive.
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the only time i can kill a tiger is when i grab a tbm and drop a 2000lbs bomb on it,but that rarely happens
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Any plane with forward firing machine guns can fulfill roles 1 and 2.
I can do the same with the 234, so rear firing works well too. :)
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the only time i can kill a tiger is when i grab a tbm and drop a 2000lbs bomb on it,but that rarely happens
I can kill a Tiger with a 500lb bomb. Heck, watched VC die from a 50kg bomb on a 110 before.
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I can kill a Tiger with a 500lb bomb. Heck, watched VC die from a 50kg bomb on a 110 before.
oh no the tiger is really tough to kill,i was defending a v-base that lost its hanger,and i was in a tiger and a pair of a-20s came,in all they dropped all of thier bombs on me,7 of them were smack dab right on my tiger and all i lost was a tread,then they couldn't believe that i was still alive so they tried to take me out with mg's one of them crashed into the tower cause i guess he was not paying attention,the other one collided with me and killed himself (i still got the kill)3 minutes later the vh popped and i got vehicle supps and killed 1 m8,2 panzers,and 6 shermans,and 3 m3s,(i camped the spawn) :D
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I can do the same with the 234, so rear firing works well too. :)
Forgot about the 234... that was more directed at the B5N2 :)
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oh no the tiger is really tough to kill,i was defending a v-base that lost its hanger,and i was in a tiger and a pair of a-20s came,in all they dropped all of thier bombs on me,7 of them were smack dab right on my tiger and all i lost was a tread,then they couldn't believe that i was still alive so they tried to take me out with mg's one of them crashed into the tower cause i guess he was not paying attention,the other one collided with me and killed himself (i still got the kill)3 minutes later the vh popped and i got vehicle supps and killed 1 m8,2 panzers,and 6 shermans,and 3 m3s,(i camped the spawn) :D
I dont care whose Tigr your in, a Tiger will not, under any surcumstance, survive 3,500 lbs of ord. I almost consistly kill em with a 1000 lb bomb, have never seen one take more than 2K, and that was from an inexpierenced dive bomber.
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I dont care whose Tigr your in, a Tiger will not, under any surcumstance, survive 3,500 lbs of ord. I almost consistly kill em with a 1000 lb bomb, have never seen one take more than 2K, and that was from an inexpierenced dive bomber.
it really happened maybe it was a glitch or something but it did happen
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I dont care whose Tigr your in, a Tiger will not, under any surcumstance, survive 3,500 lbs of ord. I almost consistly kill em with a 1000 lb bomb, have never seen one take more than 2K, and that was from an inexpierenced dive bomber.
Eh sometimes you get in a lucky tiger and survive bombs from B26s, lancs, b24s, b25(s), IL2s, It's happened to me. What's also happened to me is getting bombed with a 500lb bomb and dying.
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killing a vehicle?
lets see here......
Strap a bomb on your plane, bomb it , kill it nuff said :aok