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Title: So Long Bish
Post by: Gaboon on August 13, 2008, 12:56:00 PM
Its been an Interesting 2 years in AH but until the game is properly safe guarded I can honestly say I wont be coming back. There are way to many people taking short cuts to the top. Cable pulling is becoming the norm. The ability to see through and shoot through objects. There are to many on Bishop side to name that I have flown with your good people.
Stay on top of this community try and get the game more balanced so folks that really do all the hard work are recognized for what they do not how they game the game.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: BMathis on August 13, 2008, 01:09:12 PM
 :salute Gaboon
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: 007Rusty on August 13, 2008, 01:10:30 PM
 :noid
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: MajIssue on August 13, 2008, 01:10:45 PM
Its been an Interesting 2 years in AH but until the game is properly safe guarded I can honestly say I wont be coming back. There are way to many people taking short cuts to the top. Cable pulling is becoming the norm. The ability to see through and shoot through objects. There are to many on Bishop side to name that I have flown with your good people.
Stay on top of this community try and get the game more balanced so folks that really do all the hard work are recognized for what they do not how they game the game.

IMHO the "cable pullers" and "gaming the gamers" are a small minority... Don't let the behavior of a few simpleminded putzes (is that a word?) ruin your fun. Since it is impossible for HTC staff to be everywhere and see everything, it is up to us , the AH community to "root out"  and expose these "evil dooers" (for lack of a better term). I suggest that you film these yahoos and submit the films to HTC so that we can slowly bring back ethics and fair play within the context of trying to blow each other out of the virtual sky!

Your a good guy to fly with Gaboon... you'll be missed.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Steve on August 13, 2008, 01:11:10 PM
Its been an Interesting 2 years in AH but until the game is properly safe guarded I can honestly say I wont be coming back. There are way to many people taking short cuts to the top. Cable pulling is becoming the norm. The ability to see through and shoot through objects. There are to many on Bishop side to name that I have flown with your good people.
Stay on top of this community try and get the game more balanced so folks that really do all the hard work are recognized for what they do not how they game the game.

I give this   a 2.5

As far as exit whines go, it completely lacks imagination. Then there's the absence the requisite meltdown.
The revelation that the OP cares about rank after two years only serves to diminish any credibility his exit whine might have had.
I do give kudos for the final,  nonsensical sentence.

All in all, a very bush league exit... near the bottom of exit whine rankings.  Others' thoughts?
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: ODBAL on August 13, 2008, 01:15:06 PM
I give this   a 2.5

All in all, a very bush league exit... near the bottom of exit whine rankings.  Others' thoughts?

Yea, your a big fat jerk  :D
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Steve on August 13, 2008, 01:16:45 PM
Yea, your a big fat jerk  :D

It's true.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: ODBAL on August 13, 2008, 01:31:40 PM
It's true.

Well...... Fine
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Jenks on August 13, 2008, 01:53:17 PM
Steve is fat?
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Soulyss on August 13, 2008, 01:54:59 PM
Don't forget "meanie" and "poopyhead". 
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Chalenge on August 13, 2008, 01:59:33 PM
Gaboon leaving isnt the answer. Now that you have discovered the problem you should take steps to destroy the gamers and defeat the 'cable pullers.' I really think you cant blame people for their poor connections even if it seems like its on purpose it probably isnt. I hope your back soon as bish have enough problems without losing the few good ones they have.

You saw someone that was smooth until you were closer to them right? Its the nature of the way things are Im afraid. HT smooths things out but when you up close those square corners are more obvious. No big deal just be patient and shoot them when they are smooth.

Is it rank that bothers you? It shouldnt it means nothing and killing the guys that do rank is usually easy.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Zazen13 on August 13, 2008, 02:03:21 PM
All online games have some inherent unethical manipulation problems. AH is actually pretty "pure" in this regard as all the important stuff is "server side". So, if you can't enjoy a game because a very small minority exploit things you had better not play any online multiplayer game because it's just the nature of the beast.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: angelsandair on August 13, 2008, 02:04:30 PM
Umm.... How about you send in films of them doing what they're doing? Send in films of Biggamer and Dextur vulch Yourfup.

IMO, HTC should start banning these people again. After X # of complaints, they get a warning, next X # of complaints, they're banned.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Helm on August 13, 2008, 02:31:45 PM
I cant say I have ever seen a "cable pull event".  Maybe you have connection issues of your own?




Helm ...out
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 13, 2008, 02:54:15 PM
99.99% of the time you get on someone's six and they start those mini-warps, it's a connection related issue and not cable pulling.

If you suspect someone is cheating, film it and send it to HTC.  If you suspect the person is padding their score like Biggaymer and Dextur admittedly do by vulching a 2nd account, report them to HTC as well and then post their names on the forums so we can all point and laugh at them and conduct a proper witch hunt.


ack-ack
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: BaldEagl on August 13, 2008, 02:56:21 PM
...then post their names on the forums so we can all point and laugh at them and conduct a proper witch hunt.

 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: SlapShot on August 13, 2008, 03:00:59 PM
I cant say I have ever seen a "cable pull event".  Maybe you have connection issues of your own?




Helm ...out

I am sure he hasn't either ... "cable pullin" is nothing more than a urban myth.

There are plenty of people who have very bad connections, that play the game, and are constantly accused of "cable pullin" when that truly is not the case.

I'll bet 99.9999% of the people who cry "cable pull" have absolutely no clue as to what they are accusing someone of and as long as I have been playing and listening to these accusatory whines, no one has ever explained in detail, how "pulling" your cable can produce warping.

I remember when this "myth" was born, and I also remember that some actually experimented, in a closed H2H arena, and could not produce the result by either pulling their cable, nor by hitting the "offline" button on their cable modem.

Oh ... Steve is considered "pleasantly plump" ... and Steve, your ranking and assessment seems reasonable to me.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Banshee7 on August 13, 2008, 04:59:42 PM
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/banshee7_2007/WAHHMBULANCE.gif)

 :D
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 13, 2008, 05:05:03 PM


Oh ... Steve is considered "pleasantly plump" ... and Steve, your ranking and assessment seems reasonable to me.


I would say he's more Rubenesque.


ack-ack
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: ink on August 13, 2008, 05:13:44 PM
as someone that used to have comcast, for my first three years(cant remember ever being warpy) but now i have satellite connection i get the ol "wow nice warp"
or some variation of same, insinuating that I am warping on purpose, which is very insulting to me, i try very hard to fly with respect and Honor and to think that someone thinks i am cheating is a real downer.

now on the other hand i have been on someones six to have them warp out and appear on my six, the first time that happened i was like "what the fk" cheating bastage, but now i do realize that it is connection issues.

Gaboon hope life treats you good.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: scot12b on August 13, 2008, 05:20:22 PM
Every time he gets shot done I heir him say you gaming the game or your cable pulling, never fails See ya :P
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Steve on August 13, 2008, 05:29:37 PM
See Rules #4, #5

Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Bucky73 on August 13, 2008, 07:06:53 PM
Every time he gets shot done I heir him say you gaming the game or your cable pulling, never fails See ya :P

Yepper :aok
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: redman555 on August 13, 2008, 07:46:15 PM
only thing u gotta worry bout is the cherry pickin/BnZing/dweeb plane flyer's lol  :noid


-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: SFCHONDO on August 13, 2008, 08:34:58 PM
as someone that used to have comcast, for my first three years(cant remember ever being warpy) but now i have satellite connection i get the ol "wow nice warp"
or some variation of same, insinuating that I am warping on purpose, which is very insulting to me, i try very hard to fly with respect and Honor and to think that someone thinks i am cheating is a real downer.

now on the other hand i have been on someones six to have them warp out and appear on my six, the first time that happened i was like "what the fk" cheating bastage, but now i do realize that it is connection issues.

Gaboon hope life treats you good.

Satellite is terrible for gaming, it's worse than using dial up.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Getback on August 13, 2008, 09:53:54 PM
All online games have some inherent unethical manipulation problems. AH is actually pretty "pure" in this regard as all the important stuff is "server side". So, if you can't enjoy a game because a very small minority exploit things you had better not play any online multiplayer game because it's just the nature of the beast.

Ditto:

I've noticed and have seen it myself that people who "take short" cuts just disappear one day. They keep this game pretty darn clean.

What you need to do is film that behavior and send it to Hightech.

Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: lyric1 on August 13, 2008, 10:24:24 PM
 Sorry to see you go.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: JunkyII on August 13, 2008, 10:40:51 PM
Umm.... How about you send in films of them doing what they're doing? Send in films of Biggamer and Dextur vulch Yourfup.

IMO, HTC should start banning these people again. After X # of complaints, they get a warning, next X # of complaints, they're banned.
I have seen Dextur flying the last couple of weeks(hes been flying knight) and hes getting his kills straight up it seems. Some people dont make the same mistake twice  :aok
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: brad13 on August 13, 2008, 10:55:04 PM
well gaboon we are definatly going to miss you! :salute sir
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Slash27 on August 13, 2008, 11:08:05 PM
as someone that used to have comcast, for my first three years(cant remember ever being warpy) but now i have satellite connection i get the ol "wow nice warp"
or some variation of same, insinuating that I am warping on purpose, which is very insulting to me, i try very hard to fly with respect and Honor and to think that someone thinks i am cheating is a real downer.

now on the other hand i have been on someones six to have them warp out and appear on my six, the first time that happened i was like "what the fk" cheating bastage, but now i do realize that it is connection issues.

Gaboon hope life treats you good.

Go with dial up HONDO pointed out. You are setting yourself up for grief on both ends with a sat connection.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Cajunn on August 13, 2008, 11:55:05 PM
Its been an Interesting 2 years in AH but until the game is properly safe guarded I can honestly say I wont be coming back. There are way to many people taking short cuts to the top. Cable pulling is becoming the norm. The ability to see through and shoot through objects. There are to many on Bishop side to name that I have flown with your good people.
Stay on top of this community try and get the game more balanced so folks that really do all the hard work are recognized for what they do not how they game the game.


I have sent film after film to AH and I had a squad mate do the same and they always have an excuse and say that its not possible. IMO they can't stop it so they don't deal with it!!!
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: lyric1 on August 13, 2008, 11:58:42 PM

I have sent film after film to AH and I had a squad mate do the same and they always have an excuse and say that its not possible. IMO they can't stop it so they don't deal with it!!!
Treading on thin ice here.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Cajunn on August 14, 2008, 12:14:53 AM
Treading on thin ice here.


Its the truth! And after i sent my complaint in i thought about it and it would be impossible for them to stop it "IF" its going on!
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: lyric1 on August 14, 2008, 12:40:57 AM

Its the truth! And after i sent my complaint in i thought about it and it would be impossible for them to stop it "IF" its going on!
I don't know how HTC checks things I do know that people get caught & then they are gone. I am sure HTC staff must have a way of checking for sure. If nothing happens to said warper or what ever they are doing they must have checked out clean.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Cajunn on August 14, 2008, 01:29:14 AM
I don't know how HTC checks things I do know that people get caught & then they are gone. I am sure HTC staff must have a way of checking for sure. If nothing happens to said warper or what ever they are doing they must have checked out clean.



Well I don't know, all I know is that there is some strange happenings sometimes and I have sent films to AH and I know others that have also. And as for as shooting through hills and objects I have been accused of that also and Since the last patch i don't think it goes on as much. But sometime I can see a tank from where I'm at and they can't see me, it might only be the pin gun but I shoot them and they accuse me of cheating, I don't even answer them anymore.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: lyric1 on August 14, 2008, 01:34:55 AM


Well I don't know, all I know is that there is some strange happenings sometimes and I have sent films to AH and I know others that have also. And as for as shooting through hills and objects I have been accused of that also and Since the last patch i don't think it goes on as much. But sometime I can see a tank from where I'm at and they can't see me, it might only be the pin gun but I shoot them and they accuse me of cheating, I don't even answer them anymore.
I too have seen strange stuff while in play but nothing I could say was out right cheating. That is why I have never sent in a film. Now I have seen films of out right cheats & those individuals are all gone.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: MajWoody on August 14, 2008, 01:42:09 AM

I have sent film after film to AH and I had a squad mate do the same and they always have an excuse and say that its not possible. IMO they can't stop it so they don't deal with it!!!

HTC doesn't discuss what they do to anyone suspected of shady behavior. If you send in film, just forget about it. If it's a connection issue, there's not much to be done about it if the normal tweaks don't resolve it. If it's more than that, it will be dealt with swiftly & without comment.  :salute
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: SlapShot on August 14, 2008, 08:36:25 AM

I have sent film after film to AH and I had a squad mate do the same and they always have an excuse and say that its not possible. IMO they can't stop it so they don't deal with it!!!


Its the truth! And after i sent my complaint in i thought about it and it would be impossible for them to stop it "IF" its going on!

If after thinking about it, and you figured out that it would be impossible stop, then why did you then send "film after film" ... me thinks you are exaggerating.

An excuse ? ... so what you are saying is that you believe that HTC is lying to you and just making up "excuses" to satisfy you ?

You are right on one thing ... HTC, nor any company, can do anything about internet induced lag. If the film data that you did sent in showed any signs of "shady behavior", that person would be banned immediately and you would never know ... HTC will never respond back to you telling you the outcome.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: SkyRock on August 14, 2008, 08:38:24 AM
HTC, nor any company, can do anything about internet induced lag. If the film data that you did sent in showed any signs of "shady behavior", that person would be banned immediately and you would never know ... HTC will never respond back to you telling you the outcome.
Slap is wise, listen to him! :aok
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: ink on August 14, 2008, 10:42:31 AM
Satellite is terrible for gaming, it's worse than using dial up.



ya i hear ya, what sux is i cant switch over to dial up due to the fact that i live, on someone Else's property so i am stuck with the satellite for now.
 :( :cry :( :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: dunnrite on August 14, 2008, 10:54:54 AM
School will be in soon and alot of this will stop. :salute
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: zoozoo on August 14, 2008, 10:57:33 AM
adios gaB00B
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Lusche on August 14, 2008, 11:01:12 AM
School will be in soon and alot of this will stop. :salute

Alot of "this" does actually never happen, especially all that "shooting through bulidings / hills / trees" stuff.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: LLogann on August 14, 2008, 12:26:42 PM
 :salute
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: dunnrite on August 14, 2008, 12:36:03 PM
Alot of "this" does actually never happen, especially all that "shooting through bulidings / hills / trees" stuff.

Yea, I believe that alot of that was a glitch that was fixed a few patchs back.  But alot of the stick stirrers, cable pulling, game the gamers are going back to school.  I can't wait. 
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: VonMessa on August 14, 2008, 12:37:09 PM
So long and thanks for all the fish.   :aok
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: craig666 on August 14, 2008, 01:11:59 PM
I've been playing for about a year, and here's my observations:

Shooting through buildings, trees, hills and stuff does APPEAR to happen.  Perhaps it's my POV from my position in the vehicle, but it sure looks like it.

As for cable pulling...I've searched a variety of sources, from YouTube to little geek forums and NO ONE has demonstrated a method of purposely cheating that appears to work as advertised.  I saw the video with the guy who had unlimited ammo, that hack was fixed.   The connection issues seem like logical explanations.  Perhaps the switching on/off of your modem can influence this, but I've yet to hear of anyone proven to be doing this successfully.

I hope I'm not wrong on this.

One last point: despite Dextur and Biggaymer being accused (and convicted?) of cheating, their scores/rankings are STILL listed as top players on this site's HOME PAGE.  If that doesn't seem hypocritical and a poor example, I don't know what is.

Perhaps these scores are more current and they're on the up and up, but why aren't cheaters having their IP addy's blocked for life?
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Cajunn on August 14, 2008, 01:37:41 PM
If after thinking about it, and you figured out that it would be impossible stop, then why did you then send "film after film" ... me thinks you are exaggerating.

An excuse ? ... so what you are saying is that you believe that HTC is lying to you and just making up "excuses" to satisfy you ?

You are right on one thing ... HTC, nor any company, can do anything about internet induced lag. If the film data that you did sent in showed any signs of "shady behavior", that person would be banned immediately and you would never know ... HTC will never respond back to you telling you the outcome.


Would you like the emails that I recieved back from them on the subject, And I recorded them because I was told to and that is all you need to know!
And there explanation was a valid one, but is some cases like a film I have of a guy (no Names) is flying in a straight line I drop in on him and with no tracers start shooting and he don't start "warping" untill I have several hits on him. Now that is what i would call a strange happining! And your probably one of them so why am i wasten my time with you anyway!! 
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Lusche on August 14, 2008, 03:12:38 PM
I've been playing for about a year, and here's my observations:

Shooting through buildings, trees, hills and stuff does APPEAR to happen.  Perhaps it's my POV from my position in the vehicle, but it sure looks like it.

You have correctly identified it: It appears to happen. The reasons are lag, your front end vs his front end etc.

Examples


We both are in tanks, I shoot at you while your trying to dash behind a building to take cover. Due to the usual internet lag, you (on your screen) may have been already behind the building while on my screen you were just a few yard away, when my shell hit you.
Thus it appeared to you as I were capable to shoot through the building.

Shooting through hills:
Another favourite one. You're taking cover behind a hill, I spot you cupola MG and start to shoot. Due to the cannon's ballistic trajectory I basically "lob" my shells over the hill at long range. But on your screen it may seem as if my rounds just go through the top of the crest.
Reason. Only ones own shots are computed/rendered in detail. When a enemy shoots you, your computer basically just gets told what has happened on your enemies screen. This lesser somewhat reduced accurateness, combined with the inevitable lag, can lead to that kind of results.

Ever watched another tank shooting your town? Next time do observe it carefully before dropping your bomb: You will actually see the enemy's shells go through the town and hit the ground behind it, as if he was uncapable of hitting a building, yet the buildings will explode one after another. This is the very same effect.

Shooting through trees:

Similar to the hills example above. Also take note that the shell trajectories are no perfect parabolas, thus it's indeed possible that an enemy tank that is sitting right under a tree may be able to shoot at you while you can only hit the foliage. The shell's angle of departure is smaller than the angle of incidence at long ranges, the steeper angle of the incoming round may lead to hitting the foliage only.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Steve on August 14, 2008, 03:16:02 PM
You have correctly identified it: It appears to happen. The reasons are lag, your front end vs his front end etc.

Examples


We both are in tanks, I shoot at you while your trying to dash behind a building to take cover. Due to the usual internet lag, you (on your screen) may have been already behind the building while on my screen you were just a few yard away, when my shell hit you.
Thus it appeared to you as I were capable to shoot through the building.

Shooting through hills:
Another favourite one. You're taking cover behind a hill, I spot you cupola MG and start to shoot. Due to the cannon's ballistic trajectory I basically "lob" my shells over the hill at long range. But on your screen it may seem as if my rounds just go through the top of the crest.
Reason. Only ones own shots are computed/rendered in detail. When a enemy shoots you, your computer basically just gets told what has happened on your enemies screen. This lesser somewhat reduced accurateness, combined with the inevitable lag, can lead to that kind of results.

Ever watched another tank shooting your town? Next time do observe it carefully before dropping your bomb: You will actually see the enemy's shells go through the town and hit the ground behind it, as if he was uncapable of hitting a building, yet the buildings will explode one after another. This is the very same effect.

Shooting through trees:

Similar to the hills example above. Also take note that the shell trajectories are no perfect parabolas, thus it's indeed possible that an enemy tank that is sitting right under a tree may be able to shoot at you while you can only hit the foliage. The shell's angle of departure is smaller than the angle of incidence at long ranges, the steeper angle of the incoming round may lead to hitting the foliage only.

Most excellent and concise explanations Snail...      :salute
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: panzerr on August 14, 2008, 03:56:41 PM
You have correctly identified it: It appears to happen. The reasons are lag, your front end vs his front end etc.

Examples


We both are in tanks, I shoot at you while your trying to dash behind a building to take cover. Due to the usual internet lag, you (on your screen) may have been already behind the building while on my screen you were just a few yard away, when my shell hit you.
Thus it appeared to you as I were capable to shoot through the building.

Shooting through hills:
Another favourite one. You're taking cover behind a hill, I spot you cupola MG and start to shoot. Due to the cannon's ballistic trajectory I basically "lob" my shells over the hill at long range. But on your screen it may seem as if my rounds just go through the top of the crest.
Reason. Only ones own shots are computed/rendered in detail. When a enemy shoots you, your computer basically just gets told what has happened on your enemies screen. This lesser somewhat reduced accurateness, combined with the inevitable lag, can lead to that kind of results.

Ever watched another tank shooting your town? Next time do observe it carefully before dropping your bomb: You will actually see the enemy's shells go through the town and hit the ground behind it, as if he was uncapable of hitting a building, yet the buildings will explode one after another. This is the very same effect.

Shooting through trees:

Similar to the hills example above. Also take note that the shell trajectories are no perfect parabolas, thus it's indeed possible that an enemy tank that is sitting right under a tree may be able to shoot at you while you can only hit the foliage. The shell's angle of departure is smaller than the angle of incidence at long ranges, the steeper angle of the incoming round may lead to hitting the foliage only.

Excellent explanation Lusche.  Hopefully this will put an end to all the 'thru hills', etc claims. :aok

....but I doubt it. :devil
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: dunnrite on August 14, 2008, 04:15:12 PM
Excellent explanation Lusche.  Hopefully this will put an end to all the 'thru hills', etc claims. :aok

....but I doubt it. :devil


Only if its made a sticky, and put on the loading screan in AH, and if...well, I doubt it too.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: The Fugitive on August 14, 2008, 04:30:18 PM
I know most of you have seen someone take off from a CV and be well off the side of the ship. This is lag. If you can have a displacement of 4 or 5 wingspan, I'm thinking it would be pretty easy to have a GV displaced enough to be "behind a building". Its a game people, grab another plane, and hunt another guy down and fight with him.

Enough with the "my *^&% is bigger than your *^&%" mentality.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: betty on August 14, 2008, 06:32:55 PM
Don't forget "meanie" and "poopyhead". 


hey! poopyhead is my word! u cant just come in and take it...its copywrited! now soulyss.....ur in big trouble now mister! :)
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Wyld45 on August 14, 2008, 08:21:26 PM


                             "All due to, "Weapons of Mass Cheating" ".


                                                       (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:KZSl2ChiUjUJ::www.thesmokehammer.com/images/bush_head2.jpg)
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Chalenge on August 14, 2008, 10:51:57 PM
What Lusche said. Proof is easy to find. Watch at a factory while enemy/friendly shoots buildings. You see the shell fly through even if the building explodes but he sees shell explode on impact. When you are shooting dead on someone at same 'level' (altitude) and it appears the shell never goes above his turret but flies through his tank it actually passes over him much closer to you then him but the path of the shell (smoke trail if you will) is visible even through his tank. I dont know why that is but I have seen it many times and I think it is an optical illusion that is causing all the complaints.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: bmwgs on August 14, 2008, 11:36:01 PM
HTC doesn't discuss what they do to anyone suspected of shady behavior. If you send in film, just forget about it. If it's a connection issue, there's not much to be done about it if the normal tweaks don't resolve it. If it's more than that, it will be dealt with swiftly & without comment.  :salute

I disagree. 

If you send in a film questioning something, then there should be a response to the film.  Just film it, send it and forget it is not acceptable.  They don't need to go into any details if there is something suspicious, but they should respond that there was something questionable and that they are checking into it.

Just my opinion.

Fred
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: crazyivan on August 15, 2008, 05:47:30 AM
later  :salute
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: SD67 on August 15, 2008, 06:01:41 AM
I'm only going to mention one thing.
Last week I saw an LVT4  take an entire T34 full of AP/HVAP and survive. He was also unloaded on by Tigers, Panzers, IL2's you name it, this guy survived.
Actually it's a good thing this thread came up, I filmed it and forgot to send it in. I'll do that now.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Wobbly on August 15, 2008, 06:40:59 AM
Got killed a few weeks ago by an LVT which was inside a hill ! (Film sent in)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/Dorsetdave/ah.jpg?t=1218800237)
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: SlapShot on August 15, 2008, 09:11:08 AM

Would you like the emails that I recieved back from them on the subject, And I recorded them because I was told to and that is all you need to know!
And there explanation was a valid one, but is some cases like a film I have of a guy (no Names) is flying in a straight line I drop in on him and with no tracers start shooting and he don't start "warping" untill I have several hits on him. Now that is what i would call a strange happining! And your probably one of them so why am i wasten my time with you anyway!! 

You need a couple more layers of tin foil on your hat.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: saantana on August 15, 2008, 09:39:59 AM
Can someone explain what cable pulling is in reality and if it really affects gameplay?
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Lusche on August 15, 2008, 10:27:24 AM
Can someone explain what cable pulling is in reality?

Considering the forum rules and HTC's policy... No!  ;)

Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: LLogann on August 15, 2008, 10:45:07 AM
What our illustrious colleague is trying to tell you Cajunn... Honestly, the warping at the point of impact makes more sense then when tracers are flying by.  The damage model isn't working very hard with a miss.  Once there is contact, now another, sometimes data intensive, algorithm begins to function.  Hence the warping.
You need a couple more layers of tin foil on your hat.

...I drop in on him and with no tracers start shooting and he don't start "warping" untill I have several hits on him. Now that is what i would call a strange happining! And your probably one of them so why am i wasten my time with you anyway!! 

That analysis is based on the idea that cable pulling does not exist.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Scca on August 15, 2008, 11:35:19 AM
Later, Gaboon.. :rock

I was accused of the "C" word by Gaboon once not too long ago.  I spawned in a tank, he got me.  I spawned in a jeep and looked around to see where he was.  Once I got a fix, I towered out and got in a T-34 (fast turret speed).  I spawned, turned and got one of those one in a million snap shots that hit perfect, he went boom.

For the next half an hour I had to endure Bafoon's rant about how I had a lag switch, was a haxor, blah, bhah, blah. 

Sorry dude, I personally wish you the best, but many won't miss you.  If you think you can build a better game then do so.  For now, HTC is getting my money.

<S> and good luck and I hope your blood pressure goes down.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: snibbo on August 15, 2008, 12:13:15 PM
hey sorry to lose another , the facts are that most players from all teams / sides are very decent people who enjoy the game regardless of the rules or the sudden changes to the way of combat we experience from time to time , ( i've even been silly enough to complain when full of rum and detterriation of comfort zone ) . I'm a bish but some of my best mates are rook and nit and we all team up in fso or special events , let alone training arena for help , all i'm trying to say is ignore the cheats and plug pullers , the bad tempered , the fluff heads etc , and enjoy the moments when you win or the other guy outflys u and nails u , its what its all about and anyway if u film the moments of the plug pullers , you can work out where to shoot em on there reappearance before they see you . And no matter what they post on this forum , they cant change history ( where we happen to fly ) and i laugh where i see dills posting about " dive bombing lanx . dive bombing b24's , b26's etc , ho merchants , spies , spawn campers and on and on , these are all historic tactics used and developed during ww2 , so stop squeakin i feel like sayin to the gooses but dont , because they are so egotistical and ego inflated that they they wont even recognise the day they die . btw , if u all wondering why i am not that good , i am colour blind which doesnt help at all , true . and stops me from flying real planes etc lol . ps , love thyself but respect all others as they may have the butt you have to lick attached to the feet you stomped on yesterday
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 15, 2008, 01:51:46 PM
One last point: despite Dextur and Biggaymer being accused (and convicted?) of cheating, their scores/rankings are STILL listed as top players on this site's HOME PAGE.  If that doesn't seem hypocritical and a poor example, I don't know what is.

Perhaps these scores are more current and they're on the up and up, but why aren't cheaters having their IP addy's blocked for life?

Those scores are a direct result of their manipulation of the rank/score system by vulching a 2nd account.  Why HTC decided to leave those scores up there, only they know but it still doesn't change the fact that those two players cheated the system to get their names on the main page.


ack-ack
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 15, 2008, 01:53:41 PM
but is some cases like a film I have of a guy (no Names) is flying in a straight line I drop in on him and with no tracers start shooting and he don't start "warping" untill I have several hits on him. Now that is what i would call a strange happining! And your probably one of them so why am i wasten my time with you anyway!! 

It's his connection that is causing that.


ack-ack
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 15, 2008, 02:00:41 PM
I disagree. 

If you send in a film questioning something, then there should be a response to the film.  Just film it, send it and forget it is not acceptable.  They don't need to go into any details if there is something suspicious, but they should respond that there was something questionable and that they are checking into it.

Just my opinion.

Fred

To do so may violate their privacy policy.  Most MMOs will not disclose any results of an investigation or any action taken with anyone else other than the account in question. 


ack-ack
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 15, 2008, 02:03:34 PM
Can someone explain what cable pulling is in reality and if it really affects gameplay?

It doesn't affect game play in the sense that it doesn't give the person an advantage.


ack-ack
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: bmwgs on August 15, 2008, 03:08:53 PM
To do so may violate their privacy policy.  Most MMOs will not disclose any results of an investigation or any action taken with anyone else other than the account in question. 


ack-ack

I'm not asking for any specific results.  Just a simple statement like "we did see something questionable and we are looking into it".  No more -no less.  I don't think that would violate any privacy policy.

Just another one of my opinions.


Fred
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 15, 2008, 05:00:21 PM
I'm not asking for any specific results.  Just a simple statement like "we did see something questionable and we are looking into it".  No more -no less.  I don't think that would violate any privacy policy.

Just another one of my opinions.


Fred

It creates the impression that they did do something, at least in the eyes of the person that reported it.  How about after their investigation nothing was found?  You'd still have the impression that they are a cheater by HTC's comments in the email.


ack-ack
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: bj229r on August 15, 2008, 06:27:01 PM
Satellite is terrible for gaming, it's worse than using dial up.
I've been using dialup for 13 years--as long as it CONSISTENT, it fine. (I been messed up most of 2 months, lightning hit took out modem, have tried out 4 of them....finally now one that gives consistent 180-200 ms ping...went to Geeks.com, orded 4 of em :aok)
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: bmwgs on August 15, 2008, 11:19:05 PM
It creates the impression that they did do something, at least in the eyes of the person that reported it.  How about after their investigation nothing was found?  You'd still have the impression that they are a cheater by HTC's comments in the email.


ack-ack

I agree, but I still have that impression when they don't say anything.  I guess you can call it a catch 22, but in the end I would still like to know that someone at least looked at the film, instead of never receiving a reply.  Let me state they have replied when it was a lag issue or a bug in the game,  it's the other ones that I wonder about. 

Again it is just my lone opinion,

Fred
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Booz on August 15, 2008, 11:35:01 PM

 Who's Gaboon?
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: Scca on August 16, 2008, 12:14:08 AM
I agree, but I still have that impression when they don't say anything.  I guess you can call it a catch 22, but in the end I would still like to know that someone at least looked at the film, instead of never receiving a reply.  Let me state they have replied when it was a lag issue or a bug in the game,  it's the other ones that I wonder about. 

Again it is just my lone opinion,

Fred
Not only yours...  They should at least respond to say "It's been delt with, thank you".. 

Hey, it's a game, they should out cheaters.  That way we know it's being handled.
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: REP0MAN on August 17, 2008, 10:30:37 AM
Yea, your a big fat jerk  :D

But he drives a blue Vette. So, his jerk to coolness ratio is heavily pushed to the coolness side.

:aok
Title: Re: So Long Bish
Post by: RoGenT on August 17, 2008, 03:32:50 PM
Sucks you leaving Gaboon; was having fun winging with you

 :salute sir