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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Maniac on August 14, 2008, 02:24:12 PM
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Swedish wrestler Ara Abrahamian throws his bronze medal in disqust after being wrongly disqualified. He gets backing from big names within wrestling saying the judges appointed from FILA is corrupt and has been so for many years.
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I just read about this, takes a big man to put down a medal.
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I just read about this, takes a big man to put down a medal.
It takes a bigger man to pick it back up and publically apologize. Being invited to the Olympics is an honor, not a right.
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It takes a bigger man to pick it back up and publically apologize. Being invited to the Olympics is an honor, not a right.
Uh?
Dude, he gets support from the entire Wrestling community, even other judges support his decision to do this.
And noone gets invited to an Olympic game, you earn the right.
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Uh?
Dude, he gets support from the entire Wrestling community, even other judges support his decision to do this.
And noone gets invited to an Olympic game, you earn the right.
You have to be invited. There is no "right". My guess is he won't be asked back to participate.
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You have to be invited. There is no "right". My guess is he won't be asked back to participate.
Each country chooses who to send, each participant that has been sent to the Olympics has earned their right to be there. My guess is that he dont care one bit if he dont get to participate in another Olympics.
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I think Rip is referring to the invitation to participate in the Olympics each country gets, from the Olympic committee. Those are not earned.
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We have no idea what Rip is reffering to. Ara is a class act for standing up to Corruption.
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Each country participating in the Olympics was invited to do so. Nothing was earned.
Each member of a country certainly earned a spot on thier Olympic team, but to be at the Olympics is due to being invited there.
I am not familiar with the details of what happened here and am not making any statements about the particular event.
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Please do not try to sidetrack my thread.
Ill post this again if you didnt catch it : Each country chooses who to send, each participant that has been sent to the Olympics has earned their right to be there. My guess is that he dont care one bit if he dont get to participate in another Olympics.
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he gets support from the entire Wrestling community
I would get Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant to go in there spec ops like and throw them judges around some.
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You have to be invited. There is no "right". My guess is he won't be asked back to participate.
and my guess is he would tell them where to shove their invite if they did ask him. You want change, sometimes you need to make a statement, plus he's not the only person to do something like. U.S.A. basketball team refused to accept their medals in 1972.
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I would get Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant to go in there spec ops like and throw them judges around some.
Well if you saw the match, he almost strangled the judge who were laughing in his face after the disqualification.
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If it was a lack of self control and anger management i dont like it. Im guessing though that it took some time from him winning the medal to the time he recieved it so he should have had time to reflect. If the latter is the case and they indeed are corrupt i support him.
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If it was a lack of self control and anger management i dont like it. Im guessing though that it took some time from him winning the medal to the time he recieved it so he should have had time to reflect. If the latter is the case and they indeed are corrupt i support him.
He had time to reflect. He even did one more match after the incident, where he won the bronze medal in a 2-0 win.
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I actually turned on the tv one min ago and this story was up. I dont know the rules in wrestling or what the issue was but apparently the judges were wrong.
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I just read about this, takes a big man to put down a medal.
but a very very imature one to do that.
there are a lot of kids looking up to him, regardless of what some of us may think of him.
he could've dealt with this better.......and demonstrated to the kids watching what a good sportsman is. instead, he showed severe arrogance, and imaturity.
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He showed the kids that you should stand up against corruption. You aint a good sportsman by taking it up the arse. They did file a protest wich instantly got turned down, that was before this medal incident took place.
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If it was a lack of self control and anger management i dont like it. Im guessing though that it took some time from him winning the medal to the time he recieved it so he should have had time to reflect. If the latter is the case and they indeed are corrupt i support him.
if they're corrupt is irrelevent. it should have been handled off camera.
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He showed the kids that you should stand up against corruption. You aint a good sportsman by taking it up the arse.
no, he showed the kids how to act like asssholes. oo ea...and there is no shortage of that these days.
he should have handled it off camera properly, not by throwing a temper tantrum
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no, he showed the kids how to act like asssholes. oo ea...and there is no shortage of that these days.
he should have handled it off camera properly, not by throwing a temper tantrum
You are a fan of censorship? it was handled thru proper channels prior to this, with no result.
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if they're corrupt is irrelevent. it should have been handled off camera.
Dont agree..
Off camera and we would prolly not have heard much about it.
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Please do not try to sidetrack my thread.
Ill post this again if you didnt catch it : Each country chooses who to send, each participant that has been sent to the Olympics has earned their right to be there. My guess is that he dont care one bit if he dont get to participate in another Olympics.
Not trying to side track your thread, but what you are saying is a little off. No offense. Hopefully it is just a matter of semantics or a language barrier that is the issue. What I am saying is not really an opinion. It is how it works.
I'll use your words to try and show you what is off.
Each country chooses who to send, each participant that has been sent to the Olympics has earned their right to be there.
Should read:
Each country chooses who is to be on thier Olympic team, each participant that has earned the right to be on that team is sent to the Olympics if the country they are from is invited.
You cannot earn the right to go to the Olympics. You can only earn the right to represent your country at the Olympics. If your country is not invited to the Olympics, then you stay home no matter what spot you earned on the team.
Again, I am not addressing what this person may or may not have done. I have chosen to boycott the Olympics this year.
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In Rips reply it sounded that Ara was directly invited by the Olympic commite to come to the olympics. He was invited to go to the Olympics by the Swedish dudes who chooses wich wrestlers to send.
This is semantics, and not the point of discussion of this thread.
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I think Rip is referring to the invitation to participate in the Olympics each country gets, from the Olympic committee. Those are not earned.
Yes sir. Thank you. Sometimes I'm clear as mud. :)
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You don't even have to live in the country you're playing for.
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=3336490
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but a very very imature one to do that.
there are a lot of kids looking up to him, regardless of what some of us may think of him.
he could've dealt with this better.......and demonstrated to the kids watching what a good sportsman is. instead, he showed severe arrogance, and imaturity.
He showed the kids that you should stand up against corruption. You aint a good sportsman by taking it up the arse. They did file a protest wich instantly got turned down, that was before this medal incident took place.
With all due respect, this is a "glass half full, glass half empty" situation. If I were a kid, I'd rather be raised by a dad with CAP1 ethics than Maniac ethics.
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With all due respect, this is a "glass half full, glass half empty" situation. If I were a kid, I'd rather be raised by a dad with CAP1 ethics than Maniac ethics.
You would be raised by a pansy :aok
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We have no idea what Rip is reffering to. Ara is a class act for standing up to Corruption.
I hope hes standing up for more then that. We have no business going to an Olympics in a Police state in the first place.
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I hope hes standing up for more then that. We have no business going to an Olympics in a Police state in the first place.
Probably not. He most likely thinks that only he was treated unfairly. Had he won the gold, I'm certain he would have not thrown it on the matt in retaliation for a corrupt ref that called the game in his favor. In America, we call it "I'm the CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE" psychology. California is the epicenter. :D
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Probably not. He most likely thinks that only he was treated unfairly. Had he won the gold, I'm certain he would have not thrown it on the matt in retaliation for a corrupt ref that called the game in his favor. In America, we call it "I'm the CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE" psychology. California is the epicenter. :D
No he certainly do NOT think hes the only one to be treated unfairly within wrestling, this rigth here is the results of years of corruption within the sport. As i stated earlier, people within the sport saluted him for this, and thanked him, they were very pleased that someone finaly took a stand.
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Glad I never considered joining the sport.
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It takes a bigger man to pick it back up and publically apologize. Being invited to the Olympics is an honor, not a right.
:rolleyes:
Being invited to the olympics and having judges on the take is an insult and the judges should be publicly shamed!
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Dont agree..
Off camera and we would prolly not have heard much about it.
agree 100%, do it off camera and all we here is some disagreed with a judge. Seeing someone throw a medal down speaks volumes about the situation and judging. With judges being bought in the past, horrible calls, under age gymnast and scores that make no sense the X-Games has more merit than the Olympics at this point.
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You would be raised by a pansy :aok
Then again, I've never been a participant in a sport where another man is in my pants. ;)
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:rolleyes:
Being invited to the olympics and having judges on the take is an insult and the judges should be publicly shamed!
Then he has to prove it in a better way than that! Throwing a medal in disgust didn't show me any facts and data of the alledged "years of corruption!
Like I said, had he won the gold, he would not have acted like this.
Why not refuse the invitation? That speaks volumes more about the corrupt ref than not winning and having a hissy fit.
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Then he has to prove it in a better way than that! Throwing a medal in disgust didn't show me any facts and data of the alledged "years of corruption!
This incident made alot of people come out and tell their storys about the corruption. Its a good thing.
Like I said, had he won the gold, he would not have acted like this.
He would have won the gold if the judge was not corrupted.
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The only solution is to have sports where judges are there only for fairness, not score.
Sports where when one lifts more than another, crosses a finish line first, jumps farther or higher, throws farther, sports like that.
I would hate to see the carnage when someone disagrees with her score in rythmic gymnastics and throws her pretty pink ribbon into the crowd.
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This incident made alot of people come out and tell their storys about the corruption. Its a good thing.
How many of those people were winners, and how many were losers in their respective matches that this ref allegedly cheated in? ;)
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How many of those people were winners, and how many were losers in their respective matches that this ref allegedly cheated in? ;)
Per Svensson, for 16 years he was in FILA. He has now come out and told everyone about the corruption. And how he got murder threats when he tried to do something about the corruption.
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Did nobody ever hear about an olympic minimum?
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In America, we call it "I'm the CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE" psychology. California is the epicenter. :D
Yep, just as I suspected, its all about HIM, and he lost, so he's blaming others...
I don't care about this medal. I wanted gold," Abrahamian said. "This will be my last match. I wanted to take gold, so I consider this Olympics a failure."
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Per Svensson, for 16 years he was in FILA. He has now come out and told everyone about the corruption. And how he got murder threats when he tried to do something about the corruption.
Yes, and my son used to tell me that a big gorilla broke into the house and ate all the cookies, threatened to kill him if he told his story. ;)
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Out of context Rip. Out of Context. I guess it has to be an American in order for you to belive what anyone says.
Pathetic.
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Out of context Rip. Out of Context.
How so? Those were HIS words.
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How so? Those were HIS words.
Of course it is his words. But they are RIPPED out of context.
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Of course it is his words. But they are RIPPED out of context.
Doesn't matter, he said he wanted gold. That's why they compete, no?
So here is a simple equation:
Ava+Gold=Happy/say not a word.
Ava-Gold=Angry/blame someone else.
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Ava+Gold=Happy = No corruption
Did you watch the game yet?
Are you saying that it was a fair call?
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Ava+Gold=Happy = No corruption because *I* rightfully won!
Fixed! ;)
Look, I don't doubt that there is a crooked ref, I don't doubt that the better wrestler got shafted. What I do disagree with is A) He accepted the invitation KNOWING that this ref would be there. B) There are much better ways to handle a situation like this then to WAIT until you get screwed, especially if you KNOW you're going to get screwed.
Thats all. I'm out. Enjoy your Bronse. Congrats to the Italian wrestler! :)
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A) He accepted the invitation KNOWING that this ref would be there.
Source please
Bai Bai, cya in the next thread Troll.
Ava+Gold=Happy = No corruption because *I* rightfully won!
Ava+Gold=Happy = No corruption because the judges judged the game fairly.
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Yep, just as I suspected, its all about HIM, and he lost, so he's blaming others...
It's blatantly obvious that Rip has never really accomplished anything in life, or even tried for that matter. We, as civilians, work our tulips off to achieve our goals.
Olympians work 10x more.
Had the corruption not been there, he might have won gold. At least he would have had the chance to play for it. And to have worked for 16 years only to have a roadkill DQ thrown at him at the second to last stage should piss the world off, not to mention him.
I'm disappointed in you Rip.
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Out of context Rip. Out of Context. I guess it has to be an American in order for you to belive what anyone says.
Pathetic.
i'd say the same things if he was american, french, isreali, or whatever......it was still imature
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I think if it was corruption then what he did could actually be a good thing, because if he hadn't done it would any of us be talking about that match right now, probably no. What he did drew world and world media attention to what happen, if he just filed a complaint through the proper channels then there's a really good chance it wouldn't have made any news media outlets, but now it's a big story and people are looking closely at the refs decision.
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Just for the Record.
He did file a complaint wich was instantly turned down. This was before the medal incident.
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If we want to talk ethics, why not address the Gold and Silver medalists? If they KNEW that he should have advanced, they should have thrown their medals as well.
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Incidently, here are a couple more "losers" that think the judges are favoring the Chinese. Add them to your Ava list.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/12/sports/AS-OLY-BOX-Judging-Complaints.php
The sport of complaining about judges is as old as the sport of the Olympics.
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Incidently, here are a couple more "losers" that think the judges are favoring the Chinese. Add them to your Ava list.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/12/sports/AS-OLY-BOX-Judging-Complaints.php
The sport of complaining about judges is as old as the sport of the Olympics.
Well the good thing is that he has respected people within the sport to back him up.
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Incidently, here are a couple more "losers" that think the judges are favoring the Chinese. Add them to your Ava list.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/12/sports/AS-OLY-BOX-Judging-Complaints.php
The sport of complaining about judges is as old as the sport of the Olympics.
Did you watch boxing at all? It's a joke. 3/4 of the matches have a CLEARLY FAVORED boxer.
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The olympics are as big of a joke as the UN... Imagine them actually holding the event in this totalitarian, murderous state.
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This is the first time a participant did not agree with the judges decision ... no
This is the first time the olypics have been called into question .. no
This is the first time a contestant may be right ... yep
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This is the first time a contestant may be right ... yep
Oh yes he is right ! but, he is not the first !! :(
Anytime a human is put in a place, so he can judge another person !... can be bought, told what and how
to judge.....for he becomes or is part of the corruption !
Applies not only to sport, but to everything anyone is doing! :devil...As far as him trowing a tantrum, it was childish, before the medal was put on his neck!... he should have taken and put it on the Judges Neck ! :devil
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He probably thought of that later. Sometimes it doesn't come to you while you're flying through the fog of anger within your mind.
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1972 USA Basketball team... ask them where their silver medals are.
Poor sports? I don't think so. Seems to me they are standing up for what is right.
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It takes a bigger man to pick it back up and publically apologize. Being invited to the Olympics is an honor, not a right.
The olympics is nothing however without its participants.
Personally I think the games has become a joke - it's corrupt - and it caters to questionable sports that seem to be nothing more than medal fillers for larger participants.
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If we want to talk ethics, why not address the Gold and Silver medalists? If they KNEW that he should have advanced, they should have thrown their medals as well.
John Kerry, too!
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If we want to talk ethics, why not address the Gold and Silver medalists? If they KNEW that he should have advanced, they should have thrown their medals as well.
THAT sir is a very valid and good point.
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We have no business going to an Olympics in a Police state in the first place.
Ah come on, if that "Police state" is good for business, it is good for Olympics. I'm sick of hypocrites who'd buy anything made in China to save few bucks, yet cry their lungs out when it comes to sport.
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Being invited to the Olympics is an honor, not a right.
According to Olympic charter, it is a right (some conditions apply though)
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1972 USA Basketball team... ask them where their silver medals are.
Poor sports? I don't think so. Seems to me they are standing up for what is right.
I had not known this before. :O
The 1972 Olympic men's basketball gold medal game, marking the first ever loss for Team USA in Olympic play, is arguably the most controversial in Olympic history. The United States rode their seven consecutive gold medals and 63-0 Olympic record to Munich for the 1972 Summer Olympics. The team won its first eight games in convincing fashion, setting up a final against the Soviet Union.
With three seconds left in the gold medal game, American forward Doug Collins sank two free throws to put the Americans up 50-49. However, the horn sounded before Collins' second free throw. Immediately following Collins' free throws, the Soviets inbounded the ball and failed to score. But one official had whistled play to stop with one second remaining after hearing the earlier horn and seeing a disturbance near the scorers table. The Soviets argued that they had requested a timeout before Collins' foul shots. The referees ordered the clock reset to three seconds and the game's final seconds replayed. However, the clock was in the process of being reset when the referees put the ball in play. A length of the court Soviet pass missed its mark, the horn sounded and the U.S. again began celebrating.
However, R. William Jones, Secretary General of FIBA, ordered the clock to be reset again at 0:03 and the game replayed from that point. This time, the Soviet's Aleksander Belov and the USA's Kevin Joyce and Jim Forbes went up for the pass, and Belov caught the long pass from Ivan Edeshko at the foul line, sending the two Americans sprawling. Belov then drove to the basket for the layup and the winning points as the buzzer sounded. The U.S. team quickly filed a protest after the game, which was heard by a five-man Jury of Appeal. In a 3-2 decision (divided along ideological lines between Communist and non-Communist countries), the Jury voted down the protest and awarded the gold medals to the Soviet team.[5] The U.S. players voted unanimously to refuse their silver medals; several team members have directed in their wills that their heirs are never to accept the medals, even posthumously.
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I haven't been watching the Olympics at all, so I don't know what happened with this wrestler other than he felt cheated and threw his bronze medal. What exactly did happen that made him feel so cheated?
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According to Olympic charter, it is a right (some conditions apply though)
Not quite. The Charter says that "The practice of sport is a human right." But it says,
http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_122.pdf (http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_122.pdf)
45 Invitations and Entries*
1. The invitations to take part in the Olympic Games shall be sent out by the IOC to all NOCs
one year before the opening ceremony.
2. Only NOCs recognised by the IOC may enter competitors in the Olympic Games. Any
entry is subject to acceptance by the IOC, which may at its discretion, at any time, refuse
any entry, without indication of grounds. Nobody is entitled to any right of any kind to
participate in the Olympic Games.
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Freedom of expression RipSnort.
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How there's any denial that anything could be corrupt under the IOC's tenure, whether judges or the invitation/earning to participate in the games...
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What exactly did happen that made him feel so cheated?
I have a funny but rather perverse suggestion, but i better keep it to myself :D What they wear and what they do to eachother has something to do with my suggestion ;)
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1972 USA Basketball team... ask them where their silver medals are.
Poor sports? I don't think so. Seems to me they are standing up for what is right.
did they throw them like a bunch of 5 year olds?
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did they throw them like a bunch of 5 year olds?
No, they decided it was better to cross their arms, stomp one foot and do the pouty lip thing....
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Ava+Gold=Happy = No corruption
Did you watch the game yet?
Are you saying that it was a fair call?
i didn't see the game. i'm not saying that this guy wasn't wronged. i'm not saying he has no right to be pissed.
what i AM saying is that he could have handled it better. i read that his protest was turned down. then he could've gone above to the next higher authority.
if he was able to rally the rest of the wrestlers by doing what he did, i'm sure he could've convinced them to stop performing before their respective matches came up.
I thought i read in one of the earlier posts, that all of these guys knew that the judges were crooked? they could've nipped it in the bud then simply by not going. or stage a sit out once they did accept their invites, thus preventing someone else from takeing their places.
there were a lot of options.
someone else mentioned the gold and silver winners? why did they not throw theirs? with crooked judges they certianly didn't deserve them? apparently they're not backing this guy.
so, although he was wronged, he is still doing what seems to be the common thing these days, and blaming someone else for what happened to him. he could've put a stop to this before it started. but then with the temper/mentality of a 5 year old, what else could we expect?
and finally.....if you think it's ok that he threw his medal down......remember that when next your own kids throw a temper tantrum. it's really ok, because they're only protesting your unfairness. their friends and siblings will back them up too.
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No, they decided it was better to cross their arms, stomp one foot and do the pouty lip thing....
lol
still a bit more mature. i actually read a bit farther down, and saw that they voted to refuse them. that was probably a better solution, in the long run
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BEIJING — A Swedish wrestler has been disqualified and stripped of his bronze medal for dropping his medal in protest.
The International Olympic Committee says Ara Abrahamian has been kicked out of the Beijing Olympics for violating the spirit of fair play during the medal ceremony.
Abrahamian walked off the medals podium and dropped the medal on the mat after taking third in the Greco-Roman 84-kilogram division Thursday. He became incensed when a disputed penalty call decided his semifinal match against Italian Andrea Minguzzi, who went on to win the gold medal.
The IOC executive board ruled Saturday the wrestler's action amounted to a political demonstration and a mark of disrespect to his fellow athletes.
The IOC says no athlete will receive Abrahamian's medal.
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Whether he was screwed or not does not excuse acting like a whiny, bratty, spoiled child at the ceremony. He could have, oh I don't know, maybe refused to go to the ceremony and issued a statement as to he reasons why. Maybe garner support from other screwed over athletes, petition the IOC to reform the judging, make hinself available for interviews where he can express his point in a clear, sane manner. No wait! Thats not childish enough! Yeah, throw a tantrum on camera at the ceremony. Yep, that'll teach those bad old judges!
He could have possibly made a difference, but he threw that away by acting like a nutcase.
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Whether he was screwed or not does not excuse acting like a whiny, bratty, spoiled child at the ceremony. He could have, oh I don't know, maybe refused to go to the ceremony and issued a statement as to he reasons why. Maybe garner support from other screwed over athletes, petition the IOC to reform the judging, make hinself available for interviews where he can express his point in a clear, sane manner. No wait! Thats not childish enough! Yeah, throw a tantrum on camera at the ceremony. Yep, that'll teach those bad old judges!
He could have possibly made a difference, but he threw that away by acting like a nutcase.
Wrong. He acted perfectly.
We would have never heard about it if he merely "Refused to go to the ceremony." He did exactly what was necessary to call out the judges.
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I always go back and forth on stuff like this--none of us, none of his countrymen, (OR the judges) practiced 12 hours a day for 3 years to the exclusion of all else to see all that work unfairly ripped away--were it me, (assuming all this is correct) I would have a REAL hard time not jumping over the table and choking that judge. Anyone remember '88 Korea and the boxing thing?
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I always go back and forth on stuff like this--none of us, none of his countrymen, (OR the judges) practiced 12 hours a day for 3 years to the exclusion of all else to see all that work unfairly ripped away--were it me, (assuming all this is correct) I would have a REAL hard time not jumping over the table and choking that judge. Anyone remember '88 Korea and the boxing thing?
Yeah, that's when I started to hate NBC sports and especially Bryant Gumble.
30 Minutes of live coverage of somebody sitting on his bellybutton in the middle of a boxing ring when boxing was taking place in the other ring. When the Single scull finals were taking place. When they could have been covering something other than someone doing nothing.
'He's broken the Olympic record for sitting and sulking." - Bryant Gumble
what a complete putz.
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Wrong. He acted perfectly.
We would have never heard about it if he merely "Refused to go to the ceremony." He did exactly what was necessary to call out the judges.
remember that next time your kids throw a hissy fit too. remember that they're acting perfectly.
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Wrestling??
You mean there is wrestling in the Olympics??
Wow. based on the coverage I've seen nightly on NBC I thought it was only a swimming and gymnastics competition.
I didnt know there were other sports too!
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One thing I can't stand in olympics is cheating judges.....and it does happen.
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The whole reasoning behind Rip's stance boils down to a John Kerry thing. Kerry threw his medals so anyone that throws medals is bad. The '72 American Team doing this is a stick in his theological spokes. Note that he has'nt posted since it was brought up.
I'm surprised Donzo is the only one that picked up on it.
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Thought this was worth the punt to give this topic closure.
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/wrestling/news?slug=ap-wre-abrahamian&prov=ap&type=lgns
It seems that many agree this athlete was cheated.
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the women's taekwando also suffered from ridiculous judging bias. A clear kick to the head was ignored by the Mexican judges, and the Chinese girl handed the win over the British one.
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The refereeing has been poor at times in several events.
Matos wasn't too impressed with the refereeing either.
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/images/matos438.jpg)
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Anyone see the final boxing between the Brit and the Cuban?
Ref was a South Korean.
Where do they get these incompetents from, especially for when the Gold is on the line?
women's taekwando
One of the Canadian coaches was not impressed either in a match vs a Swede. Had support from other coaches.