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Title: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: rogerdee on August 16, 2008, 10:01:21 AM
not sure about the bomb group but i been trying a bare metal finish a20g.

Man this is a pig to skin with bits here there and everywhere.I am finding it hard enough
just doing 1 colour.I salute Greebo for his A20 skins  he must be mad doing such a pain in the
butt model :rock.
well this is what i got so far.
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h203/rogerdee_2006/a20-1.jpg)
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h203/rogerdee_2006/a20g-2.jpg)
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h203/rogerdee_2006/a20g-3.jpg)
I need to work on the bare metal a lot more.
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: 007Rusty on August 16, 2008, 10:03:35 AM
 looken good  :aok   :salute
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: VansCrew1 on August 16, 2008, 11:14:24 AM
 :rofl :rofl :rofl

Pink A20 i love it!!!!

 :aok
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: moot on August 16, 2008, 12:32:18 PM
Like you said Rog.. So far it looks like it's painted white.
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: Guppy35 on August 16, 2008, 08:14:21 PM
Do you have a photo of the bird you are trying to do?  I don't ever recall seeing that one
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: Hwkeye on August 16, 2008, 11:26:54 PM
Pain or not I am personally thankful that someone is doing skins other than Spits and Ponys!  Keep up the great work as I do enjoy your skins!
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: Greebo on August 17, 2008, 03:38:45 AM
Looks very promising Roger. The tail art is the same as a 90th BG Liberator I did, so I'd guess its from that group.

The A-20G and Boston skins have their good and bad points. The bad is that the cowlings are made up from a dozen little patches, many of which are mirrored to little areas on top and bottom of the wings. For some colour schemes this takes some serious working out. However it shouldn't be too much of a problem on this skin, since the whole thing is just one colour. If the cowlings have anti glare panels, that might be a problem though. Like all old skins you can't play around with material files on the A-20G, so you won't be able to make the metal more reflective.

The good points are that there are a large variety of different schemes for the various A-20s. You have USAAF in all theaters, RAF ETO and MTO, RAAF, VVS summer and winter and French, both Allied and Vichy. Also this skin resides on three 1024 panels instead of the normal one, which means you get around three times the resolution of a modern skin. All the panel lines and rivets etc look a lot more realistically sized and detailed.

BTW Roger, I've emailed you a bmp file mapping the wing bugs. This should help you out.
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: Bosco123 on August 17, 2008, 07:28:18 AM
:rofl :rofl :rofl

Pink A20 i love it!!!!

 :aok
Pink? that looks white to me.
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: angelsandair on August 17, 2008, 07:44:54 AM
It would be funny if they were going to update the A20.... :D
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: rogerdee on August 17, 2008, 08:07:37 AM
it would be funny but thats why there is a thing called email
and a nice guy a the other end called roy :D
some times if you ask a nice question you get a nice reply.
No Dan i dont have a picture yet only a set of modeling decals so it might just be a load of made up crap.
i,ll keep looking tho

Thanks greebo for the file i found out what you mean about the material file.

Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: Jester on August 17, 2008, 08:59:08 AM
The Skull & Crossed Bombs emblem on the tail was the markings of the 90th BG (H) "Jolly Rogers."

(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7525/betsykl2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4498/connellsspecial2ru6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Never seen it on an A20 before.

 :salute
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: Guppy35 on August 17, 2008, 04:12:35 PM
That was my thought too Jester.  90th BG tail markings.  I just don't ever remember seeing a combat A20 that was NMF.  90th didn't have combat A20s.  They might have had a War Weary A20 for running errands in.  Then they'd get stripped to bare metal.
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: lyric1 on August 18, 2008, 12:24:45 AM
That was my thought too Jester.  90th BG tail markings.  I just don't ever remember seeing a combat A20 that was NMF.  90th didn't have combat A20s.  They might have had a War Weary A20 for running errands in.  Then they'd get stripped to bare metal.
Question on the hack planes that were used after combat. Since they did see active combat service & then were stripped of there paint would they still be permitted if they still had been attached to the same squadron?
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: Jester on August 18, 2008, 12:31:43 AM
Wouldn't think so. Most of them had all their guns and (in the case of bomber types) bomb racks removed.

Kinda like the "Formation Aircraft" used by Bomb Groups in the ETO.
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: lyric1 on October 04, 2008, 12:31:02 PM
That was my thought too Jester.  90th BG tail markings.  I just don't ever remember seeing a combat A20 that was NMF.  90th didn't have combat A20s.  They might have had a War Weary A20 for running errands in.  Then they'd get stripped to bare metal.
You would be right. (http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4679/scan72wc1.th.jpg) (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan72wc1.jpg)(http://img88.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: lyric1 on October 04, 2008, 04:46:06 PM
You would be right. (http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4679/scan72wc1.th.jpg) (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan72wc1.jpg)(http://img88.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
Link to another view of the nose of this plane. http://books.google.com/books?id=J48Z2-l7ugEC&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=b25+texas+gal&source=web&ots=6zVOL7Wqo9&sig=-0EDc-Ve3Qby8gEwQPdQC3fCZt4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA173,M1
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: lyric1 on October 06, 2008, 08:22:16 AM
Link to another view of the nose of this plane. http://books.google.com/books?id=J48Z2-l7ugEC&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=b25+texas+gal&source=web&ots=6zVOL7Wqo9&sig=-0EDc-Ve3Qby8gEwQPdQC3fCZt4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA173,M1
1 more time. (http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9082/4918331921e69732696ux1.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4918331921e69732696ux1.jpg)(http://img183.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: rogerdee on October 06, 2008, 12:56:44 PM
well we got pictures of the plane and it had flew in combat in the past.

I wounder if HTC would accept it? :pray
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: lyric1 on October 06, 2008, 04:01:03 PM
well we got pictures of the plane and it had flew in combat in the past.

I wounder if HTC would accept it? :pray
It would be interesting to allow planes like this.
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: Greebo on October 07, 2008, 05:34:14 AM
I think it would be worth getting the OK from HTC before doing too much work on it. They might think of it as too much of a one-off scheme, not representative of a frontline aircraft.
Title: Re: A20g Little Cheif 321st BS 675th BG?
Post by: Guppy35 on October 07, 2008, 12:55:24 PM
well we got pictures of the plane and it had flew in combat in the past.

I wounder if HTC would accept it? :pray

The problem is, the A20 is a war weary, flying with a B24 Combat Group as a 'hack', not in the markings it would have carried in combat.  It was probably a hand me down from 3rd Attack Group, but would not have worn the 90th BG markings as shown in the photos.