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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: rstel01 on August 18, 2008, 04:56:20 PM
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Check this out 190 Junkies,
This might have already been recovered by Paul Allen and undergoing restoration.
Their are outstanding finds coming from Eastern Europe
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=NUwF2FRQmIU&feature=related (http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=NUwF2FRQmIU&feature=related)
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:O I so want!!!! :rock
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I wonder what unit that could be from. Its to hard to tell from the video
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It's in remarkable condition
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nearly 70 years and still in recognizable shape.. what part of the forest was this found in?
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The part where the trees are :)
Seriously though, it looked like a bullet hole in the panel,anyone see it?
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I wonder what unit that could be from. Its to hard to tell from the video
This is the Fw-190A-5/U3 of 4/JG 54 werk 1501227 known as White A or DG+HO.
Pilot Feldwebel Paul Ratz taken prisoner by Russian's. He was released in the 1950's and was repatriated to Germany where he died shortly before the aircraft was recovered. It was recovered in 1990, shipped to UK and sold to Paul Allen's Flying Heritage Collection, Seattle in 1999. It was thought to have been brought down by flak from a bomber mission.
Flak was not the real cause of the crash. IIRC, when they stripped the engine they found uniform rags in the oil lines.
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Why would it have rags in the oil lines.....
Carelessness???
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Sabotage
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Yes sabatoge was a huge factor in the axis end of things , as manpower became short they used prison labor and others too do the work and they did all kinds of things to hamper the efforts of the germans . and were pretty successful at it . Nice video hope it flys again looks in decent shape considering .
Nutte :salute
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If kayara hadnt posted that info I woulda said score another one for the trees.
Trees: 302,576,935,783,953
Pilot: 0
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<<<< hates trees :rofl :aok
If kayara hadnt posted that info I woulda said score another one for the trees.
Trees: 302,576,935,783,953
Pilot: 0
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Those trees are less than 45 years old.
Awesome find. One has to wonder, with this 190, and the German-operated T-34 they pulled out of that lake, how many more such finds will be made?
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Those trees are less than 45 years old.
Awesome find. One has to wonder, with this 190, and the German-operated T-34 they pulled out of that lake, how many more such finds will be made?
i dunno.....
what i DO know, is that there is an FW190...i think it's an F8 on kissimme gateway airport, that's just over 1/2 way done in resotration. it would be incredible to see one of these beautiful machines fly again.
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Finders keepers :D
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Paul Allen has that one under restoration to fly. That was found years ago.
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That's not a new video either...
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I watched some of the other videos posted. I have to admit I was surprised and dismayed to see the way the remains were treated by the excavators.
I don't care what side they fought on, they are the remains of men who died in battle. A little respect. :salute
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i dunno.....
what i DO know, is that there is an FW190...i think it's an F8 on kissimme gateway airport, that's just over 1/2 way done in resotration. it would be incredible to see one of these beautiful machines fly again.
I've seen that one, it's an A8 :aok
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I've seen that one, it's an A8 :aok
whoops.....my bad.....and thanks for the correction!
i'll be in orlando for the christmas holiday, and plan on going there again to see how far she's come.........
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whoops.....my bad.....and thanks for the correction!
i'll be in orlando for the christmas holiday, and plan on going there again to see how far she's come.........
Say hello to Crumpp, aka Gene (not sure on the spelling).
http://www.white1foundation.org/
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Why would it have rags in the oil lines...Carelessness???
While sabotage may very well be the reason, I read an incident where a US P-47 pilot took off with his group, gained some alt and the engine died. He managed to dead stick the fully loaded P-47 back to base and land. They checked and found rags in the oil system. Not from sabotage, if I remember correctly, but part of an impromptu maintenance snafu from checking the oil system. Probably a Feldwebel didn't rate the best mechs in the squadron either.
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While sabotage may very well be the reason, I read an incident where a US P-47 pilot took off with his group, gained some alt and the engine died. He managed to dead stick the fully loaded P-47 back to base and land. They checked and found rags in the oil system. Not from sabotage, if I remember correctly, but part of an impromptu maintenance snafu from checking the oil system. Probably a Feldwebel didn't rate the best mechs in the squadron either.
How bout that 57th FG P40L they fished out of the Med. Turned out someone had shoved a parachute into the nose intake causing the overheat and ditching.
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How bout that 57th FG P40L they fished out of the Med. Turned out someone had shoved a parachute into the nose intake causing the overheat and ditching.
another chute killer.... :D
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I swear that 190 looks just like an A5 they found in a sapling forest in Russia.
The aircraft in Russia they found was 97% complete with only the cowl guns
removed <presumably by partisans...no one was gonna lug around a 20mm :lol>
There was an article about the recovery in one of the glossy warbirds rags..
unfortunately I'm blanking on the name and the magazine went out of print due
to the editor's untimely death.
P.S. I believe the Russian recovery was a JG-54 A5.
P.P.S. The magazine may have been Warbirds Worldwide <maybe someone has the issue on a shelf somewhere>
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Swamps naturally fill in to form meadows then forests. I bet the pilot ditched in a shallow swamp, and the trees subsequently grew around it.
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whats the small compartment/door on the side of the plane?
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whats the small compartment/door on the side of the plane?
Hatch for the Radio Compartment. Check your PM's.
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Hatch for the Radio Compartment. Check your PM's.
nothing there :)
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Nothing in the radio compartment either :lol
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I swear that 190 looks just like an A5 they found in a sapling forest in Russia.
The aircraft in Russia they found was 97% complete with only the cowl guns
removed <presumably by partisans...no one was gonna lug around a 20mm :lol>
There was an article about the recovery in one of the glossy warbirds rags..
unfortunately I'm blanking on the name and the magazine went out of print due
to the editor's untimely death.
P.S. I believe the Russian recovery was a JG-54 A5.
P.P.S. The magazine may have been Warbirds Worldwide <maybe someone has the issue on a shelf somewhere>
Any idea of the date? My girlfriend bought me just about 150-200 warbird magazines for my birthday. Problem is the oldest is from 1963 and the newest is from the late '80s.
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Doing a little research, it was discovered in 89 and recovered in 91..and it is the one
that Allen owns.
One of the reasons that the magazine article stated why it was in such good shape is
that the trees grew up after the forced landing. Btw, Karaya is correct about the 1943
crash landing and the pilot's name.