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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: SuBWaYCH on August 18, 2008, 07:29:48 PM
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Ok, name your best armament. Bring into consideration weight, ammo, ballistics etc.
Mine is Yak-9U with 2 ShVAK 20mm cannons (120 RPG) and 1 UBS 12.7 MG (340 rounds), all in the nose.
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Accuracy.
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3200 .50 calibre rounds from 12 guns mounted in the nose, coupled with 21 HE 75mm artillery shells, also in your nose. Then there's the 3,000 lbs of bombs.
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Yossarian
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Accuracy.
HO-5? :P
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in my opinion you cant go past the quad hizookas (MkV)
ya get a fair amount of ammo
the second best ballistics for a cannon (second by a fraction to the MkII)
RoF= 750RPM
Lighter than the MkII (by only 1KG)
and a semi acceptable snapshot usually means death to the target
this layout can do just about anything very well
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2x 30mm Mk108 cannons, 8x Mg151/20 20mm cannons, 1x Mg131 13mm rear gun.
Couple in 24x R4M air to air rocket.
EDIT: The best interceptor on earth?
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2x 30mm Mk108 cannons, 8x Mg151/20 20mm cannons, 1x Mg131 13mm rear gun.
Couple in 24x R4M air to air rocket.
EDIT: The best interceptor on earth?
Yeah, how much would it weigh?
:P
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The nose-mounted quad 30mm's in the 262 are pretty damn mean.
The nose-mounted quad 20mm 'spanners in the mossie are brutal as well.
oh yer, the 4x20mm on the Chog are fantastic too, due mostly to the fact that you get some 900 rounds of them...
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HO-5? :P
I'm often in the Ki-61.
But if you don't have the fundamentals, the rest is pointless.
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6 x 50 cal in the A-20. It's not just guns its the sight picture and stability at unusual attitudes. If you set the guns to 500 you can eviserate a con out to 800 yds. No question that the mossie, 110, P-38 all can hit harder but none are as easy to actually hit with IMO...especially at longer ranges.
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Can't believe people forgot to mention Mosquito's 4x Hispanos...
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I think the F6F has the greatest sustained firepower. Everytime I fly a Cat I come away thinking I havent used any ammo and yet have a lot of kills.
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Can't believe people forgot to mention Mosquito's 4x Hispanos...
I can't think of anything better. Blink at the bandit and they die.
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The P-38s current setup, maybe another 2 50s instead of the 20mm, but I would say it is close to spot on now.
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Well, if I can get back in practice, theres nothing that makes me smile more than that single Mk 108 in the nose... :D
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Anything with the Ma Deuce.
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Can't believe people forgot to mention Mosquito's 4x Hispanos...
I've been saying it for close to 6 months, are people really starting to listen? dont tell too many more people, when they realise she flies like a spit9 with some love it will be the new la7.
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Ok, name your best armament. Bring into consideration weight, ammo, ballistics etc.
Mine is Yak-9U with 2 ShVAK 20mm cannons (120 RPG) and 1 UBS 12.7 MG (340 rounds), all in the nose.
Dunno about in WW2 but in Aces High 2 it only has 1 20mm cannon (with 120 rounds) and 2 12.7mm MGs.
I've recently decided to fly the Yak-9U a lot this tour, actually tonight was only my 2nd night flying it. How do you set your convergance? What's the longest range you take shots at unmoving targets on your 12? Do you fire both weapons together or keep them seperate?
It seems obvious to me that the P-38 armament is heads and tails better than the Yak-9U. More rounds, also nose mounted, twice the number of MGs, and although I've not fired the Yak's guns enough yet to know for sure, supposedly better balistics. I suppose it loses to the Yak-9U in weight... obviously all those rounds and the extra guns are heavier.
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Don't check a thread and i almost let and error of me favorite plane slip by :O
3200 .50 calibre rounds from 12 guns mounted in the nose, coupled with 21 HE 75mm artillery shells, also in your nose. Then there's the 3,000 lbs of bombs.
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Yossarian
B-25H Mitchell has only eight nose mounted .50 caliber guns (four nose and four blister). It also has two on top, two on tail, one left waist, and one right waist, for a total of fourteen .50 cals. Not trying to be mean just pointed out what could simply be a typing error. :aok
Nice pick on plane :D
:salute
-Xcelsior
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Dunno about in WW2 but in Aces High 2 it only has 1 20mm cannon (with 120 rounds) and 2 12.7mm MGs.
I've recently decided to fly the Yak-9U a lot this tour, actually tonight was only my 2nd night flying it. How do you set your convergance? What's the longest range you take shots at unmoving targets on your 12? Do you fire both weapons together or keep them seperate?
It seems obvious to me that the P-38 armament is heads and tails better than the Yak-9U. More rounds, also nose mounted, twice the number of MGs, and although I've not fired the Yak's guns enough yet to know for sure, supposedly better balistics. I suppose it loses to the Yak-9U in weight... obviously all those rounds and the extra guns are heavier.
I think he made a typo.
The Yakovlev's armament is similar to the 109G's, and I feel almost as comfortable shooting in it as the 109, so I'll comment a bit here.
I have my convergence in the Yakovlev and the 109 set to 300 yards. I will almost never fire my cannon past D400, and I usually wait until a casual D200 to pull the trigger.
"Wait until your enemy fills the windscreen, so that you cannot possibly miss"-Erich Hartmann
If someone is way out there, (D600, D800) I'll shoot my MG's to get him to turn. However, I will not waste my cannon ammo at these ranges.
At close ranges, I let loose everything.
Past that,
4 Hispanos is the best armament in game.
However, when we get the Me410 I believe the hizookas will be surpassed in total dominance by the Me410's dual Mk103s.
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6 x 50 cal in the A-20. It's not just guns its the sight picture and stability at unusual attitudes. If you set the guns to 500 you can eviserate a con out to 800 yds. No question that the mossie, 110, P-38 all can hit harder but none are as easy to actually hit with IMO...especially at longer ranges.
125% correct, only the 110 can laser beam things out of the sky like the A20. :rock
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Tony Williams did this already.... I think the consensus was a nose mounted cannon.
WW2 aircraft gun effectiveness (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,26145.0.html)
Ideal WW2 fighter armament (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,70397.0.html)
In terms of pure loadout, which fighter has best armament? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,203415.0.html)
Other stuff:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,27461.0.html
Pyro : Ammo/damage model (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,28516.0.html)
Analysis of Aircraft Guns (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,97083.0.html)
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I've recently decided to fly the Yak-9U a lot this tour, actually tonight was only my 2nd night flying it. How do you set your convergance? What's the longest range you take shots at unmoving targets on your 12? Do you fire both weapons together or keep them seperate?
Yak 9U I shoot under 200, Yak 9T it's usually point blank to D100 in range, sometimes up to D400 max if the shot/timing presents itself. Fire MG seperately if at all especially with the Yak 9T.
<S>...-Gixer
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Gixer nailed it, ShVak's rule up close and personal.
150 - 200 is ideal, beyond that its pinging with just the mg's.
Also I don't remember seeing either the tiffy or tempest mentioned. 4x20mm.
And depending on target, I too like the B25H.
Being able to put the smackdown on ships from outside of ack range = Priceless.
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125% correct, only the 110 can laser beam things out of the sky like the A20. :rock
A-20 doesn't hold a candle to the Mosquito in terms of "laser beaming things out of the sky". I don't even think the Bf110G does due its poorer ballistics, but at least it hits hard when you do connect.
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A-20 doesn't hold a candle to the Mosquito in terms of "laser beaming things out of the sky". I don't even think the Bf110G does due its poorer ballistics, but at least it hits hard when you do connect.
Not to mention the infamous gamey overnose view of the mossie :)
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Yeah, how much would it weigh?
:P
... A lancaster? :D But hey, maybe a couple of jet engines could work... :rolleyes:
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A-20 doesn't hold a candle to the Mosquito in terms of "laser beaming things out of the sky". I don't even think the Bf110G does due its poorer ballistics, but at least it hits hard when you do connect.
A-20 is much easier to hit with at longer ranges IMO and has a much better sight picture. No question the mossie hits harder but the A-20 hits much more often in my experience.
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A-20 is much easier to hit with at longer ranges IMO and has a much better sight picture. No question the mossie hits harder but the A-20 hits much more often in my experience.
It's just the lack of a proper reflecting gunsight that keeps me from using the A20 because it prevents getting any hits at all ;)
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109K4 w/ two M2's in the cowl and 2 20mm Hizzokas in wing roots.
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Also I don't remember seeing either the tiffy or tempest mentioned. 4x20mm.
bahh, forgot bout me Tempy. i love her, fast, fun turner, 4 hispanos, perty plane over all! :rock tiffy isnt bad, but ill take my tempy any day.
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I have to say.... The ultimate armament and corresponding platform is a Ta152 with no GM1 and proper development (no rushed production gremlins), larger wooden tail surfaces, fowler flaps and drooping ailerons, and a single MK 103 in the nose, with ~100 rounds :: Hole in one every time.
Maybe wingroot 20mm's too as the Ta152H1 has, if you're lacking confidence.
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Lets see..... I got two...
One can carry at a max, 3400 rounds in 8 .50 caliber machine guns, and can carry 2500lbs of bombs + rockets.
The OTHER can carry 2 .50 cal machine guns w/ 400 rounds or 4 .50 caliber machine guns w/ 1000 rounds and to benefit with it, you even get a 37mm watermelon. :aok
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The P-38s current setup, maybe another 2 50s instead of the 20mm, but I would say it is close to spot on now.
Yep, the way the guns are on the P-38 makes it one of the most lethal gun packages in the game, even though it's only got a single cannon and quad .50 calibers.
ack-ack
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Yep, the way the guns are on the P-38 makes it one of the most lethal gun packages in the game, even though it's only got a single cannon and quad .50 calibers.
ack-ack
IMO, it's like that just because of how concentrated the guns are. If it were like that on any other plane, I doubt it would be nearly half as leathal. :aok
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That's exactly what he said.
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109K4 w/ two M2's in the cowl and 2 20mm Hizzokas in wing roots.
This is almost what you have with the 190D9, except they're MG 151/20s and not hizookas. The wingroot 20s though on the D9 are almost as good as cowl-mounted, in terms of convergence goodness and whatnot.
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8 50's :aok
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A large caliber (either 30mm Mk108/Mk103, or a NS-37) with anywhere upwards of 60-90 rounds in the nose, and 2x 20mm (Mg151/20 are fine, but hizzos also welcome) inside the cowling/nose, upwards of 200 rounds each (250rds ea. plus 90 rds 30mm total).
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Best armament?
my brain.
no wonder it seems like i'm always fighting unarmed opponents.
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1x Mk108 30mm (60 rounds)
2x MG 131 13.1mm (400 rounds)
2x MG 17 7.92mm (600 rounds)
_____________________________ _____________________________ _____________________________ ________
2x 250kg bombs
or
1x 500kg bomb
or
10x R4M air-air rock
or
4x WGr21 rockets
Seems like a mighty fine bird. Fit all that on a Ar 234 airframe that's smaller. And you got one heck of a interceptor.
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(http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8039/ta152waffenfq2.jpg)
Planned weapon configurations for Ta 152C
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(http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8039/ta152waffenfq2.jpg)
Planned weapon configurations for Ta 152C
That'd be flying rock, I'd keep MK103 though
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They never had the Mk108s outboard. I don't knwo why they needed pods, when it's almost the same wing as the 190A-8, and the A-8 had the weapons internally mounted.
However, I'd love to try that puppy out with just the central guns (4x MG151/20 and 1x Mk108) as it really flew on the 152C-0!!
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That'd be flying rock, I'd keep MK103 though
I doub't it was ever planned to get it airborne with ALL weapons at once. These are just all options for weapon installment. Not all could have worked at once, the outboard MG 151 would have to be removed for MK108 underwing pods for example.
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I doub't it was ever planned to get it airborne with ALL weapons at once. These are just all options for weapon installment. Not all could have worked at once, the outboard MG 151 would have to be removed for MK108 underwing pods for example.
Could you imagine if all of that could be mounted at the same time? 6 MG151/20s, 2 Mk108s, and a Mk103.... :O :devil
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Yes... it's all clear to me.. a whole squadron takes off... then... "BOOM!"... everyone augers. :devil
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Could you imagine if all of that could be mounted at the same time? 6 MG151/20s, 2 Mk108s, and a Mk103.... :O :devil
I like the way m00t put it, the 20s are only necessary if you're lacking confidence.
Seriously, with the Mk103, who needs anything else?
ps: having Mk108s and the Mk103 at the same time would be hard to use, since they would have such different trajectories.
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Here's my contribution. First off, in this game, at least, there's nothing so devastatingly effective as the four 30mms in the ME-262.
If I could propose a firepower package, I'd propose a TA-152 with two electrically-fired and -synchronized Mk103 cannons in the wingroots, like the 20mm cannons are right now in the other FW-190 models, and nothing else. With two high-velocity, laserbeam-like 30mm cannons in a close-to-cowl mounting, who would need anything else?
I realize the barrels for these would stick out a bit from the wingroot. I'm OK with that. ;-) These guns are pretty darn heavy too, so to save weight I would not mount any guns in the cowling or through the engine.
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Best armed is easily the 262, any other combinations is years behind it's design of 4x30mm in the nose. Of course that ability comes with having the wars ultimate fighter.
<S>...-Gixer
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I just want the 262 with 6x 30mm cannons.. if anyone can dig some dirt up on this variant, then even greater. Too bad it was never produced. :cry
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I like the way m00t put it, the 20s are only necessary if you're lacking confidence.
Seriously, with the Mk103, who needs anything else?
ps: having Mk108s and the Mk103 at the same time would be hard to use, since they would have such different trajectories.
I hadn't thought of that actualy... With the 103 you don't need 20mm's to "reach out". So you could maybe have 108s in the wingroots, although I dunno how bad the trouble in synchronizing them was. But if it were possible.. It'd be as light as 20mm's. Twin 108s in the wingroots... :lol Like a big limp hose at close range, and a big stiff punch anywhere else.
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IMO, it's like that just because of how concentrated the guns are. If it were like that on any other plane, I doubt it would be nearly half as leathal. :aok
Which is why I started off my comment with this sentence.
Yep, the way the guns are on the P-38 makes it one of the most lethal gun packages in the game.
ack-ack
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I hadn't thought of that actualy... With the 103 you don't need 20mm's to "reach out". So you could maybe have 108s in the wingroots, although I dunno how bad the trouble in synchronizing them was. But if it were possible.. It'd be as light as 20mm's. Twin 108s in the wingroots... :lol Like a big limp hose at close range, and a big stiff punch anywhere else.
Twin 108s in the wing roots would suck IMO. If you've got a large-caliber killer in the nose, the secondary guns should be faster firing with better ballistics.
Look at the 163... Even going at the fastest speeds in the game the ONLY time I'll kill bombers with the 2x 30mm wingroot guns is when I'm point blank. It really isn't very effective as a furballer.
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Which is why I started off my comment with this sentence.
ack-ack
Sorry, when I'm tired, I say stupider things... :lol
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Twin 108s in the wing roots would suck IMO. If you've got a large-caliber killer in the nose, the secondary guns should be faster firing with better ballistics.
Look at the 163... Even going at the fastest speeds in the game the ONLY time I'll kill bombers with the 2x 30mm wingroot guns is when I'm point blank. It really isn't very effective as a furballer.
Nope. You don't need 'better' ballistics in the wingroots if you've got a 103 in the nose. Two 108s is plenty to land any short/med range shot. The 163 is actualy a piece of cake to hit with in my experience. Twice the 30mms makes a really big difference..
And saying that the 163 is a crappy furballer.... I dunno what's wrong with you.. It's one of the very best, if not the best.
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I said the GUNS aren't effective at furballing. Even in 109s and 262s you have to get point blank with a nearly stationary target to land hits.
[Edit: I meant the guns, but I guess my wording wasn't very clear. Sorry.]
If the Me262 had 2x 20mm cannon in the nose instead fo 30mm it would be 5x as effective as it is with 4x30mm because those 2 guns would land hits 10x more frequently in snapshots, lead shots, bomber attacks, and at ranges much further out and with much greater consistency. Lesser guns packages with better chances to actually do damage would be my suggested "secondary" armament, if you already have the large-bore nose gun (hypothetically speaking, of course).
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No.... They're fine for furballing. Gonna have to agree to disagree. A single 108 in the nose is a bit hard to deal with, but good enough. Two of em plus a 103 would be pretty much foolproof.
I don't think I'd take 2 or even 4 20mm's in the 262 if I could have 2x108 and a 103. Maybe you don't see how strong the 103 is, or maybe I've got it wrong. That's the context here.. I'd certainly never take 2x20mm over 4x30mm.
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The MK103 is too heavy to consider for any "ultimate armament", so is the Hispano Mk II or Mk V, so is the Browning .50. The ultimate armament would be made up of B-20 20mm cannons or Ho-5 20mm cannons or MG151/20 with MINE shells or MK108 30mm cannons.
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I vote for the 23 millimeter VJa cannon (IL-2) :rock
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If they had gone through with -
The 6 x Hispano Spitfire.
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Hisppano 20mm 4 set i.e. HurriC,Typhoon.... :aok
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Oh brother..
Click me (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ideal.htm)
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HV guns are ideal Imo, like an IL2 with HE ammo )