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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: trigger2 on August 19, 2008, 06:45:38 AM
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Already posted once on it, and decided to throw in somemore pics, and give the link up for somemore thought...
Dornier Do 217
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,239807.0.html
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/Do217cs_1.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/do-217.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/do217cs_2.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/do217cs_3.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/do217e-2.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/do217j-1.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/do217m1.jpg)
EDIT: As you can see with this picture, the tailwheel turns to allow better turning on the ground, could be helpful for landing/takeoff/avoiding vulching tards (although.... I don't see why you'd up this at a capped field... :huh) fun stuff like that.
Enjoy guys :aok
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Sorry man, doesn't look so good to me... Kinda like a B25, easy target!!!!
But I really dig the guided missiles, could hit CV's from outside the puffy ack....
RC
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Much, much faster than the B-25.
For my part I'd prefer the Ju188A-1.
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As long as we're thinking in terms of completing the planeset, and not in terms of an "arms race", looks good to me.
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Even without looking up the stats, I'd be willing to bet that the Do217 and our very own Ju88 would be close enough in performance that it would offer very little in "something new".
Me? I prefer to look at the gaps we presently have in the game and Germany lacks a medium bomber. Enter the He111 (albeit a "hvy" medium).
I dont blame you in asking for the Do217 as it was a very important bomber for Germany, but imo that are other aircraft that should be higher on the list.
:salute
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Even without looking up the stats, I'd be willing to bet that the Do217 and our very own Ju88 would be close enough in performance that it would offer very little in "something new".
You need to look it up then. The performance is very much better than the Ju88A-4.
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You need to look it up then. The performance is very much better than the Ju88A-4.
Alrighty then... the Do217 carried 2.2k more ord (6600lbs to 8810lbs), is able to fly about 50mph faster at 19k alt.
*shrugs*
I also glanced over at the He111 while I had a few sources open and I'm re-thinking my position on that plane. It would essentially be as exposed as a Boston, relatively slow for a med bomber, and I'm debating wether or not it would even be used. It does have a 6600lb ord loadout (which is more than what I remember), but it looks a if it would be dependant if the plane was an early war or late war variant with regards to ord loadout. Early war = 4400lbs internal, and late war they added 2k to the external points. If HTC added it in as the early war variant with 4400lbs, then sure. If they add it in as the late war variant w/ 6600lbs of ord... I'm not sure how that varies enough from the Ju88 to warrant all the work. IMO, of course.
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He-111 would be great in FSO.. not only that, it fills a major part of the German bomber gap. Do-217 can come in third, after the Heinkel, Ju-88G-2, and then the Dornier.
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Much, much faster than the B-25.
For my part I'd prefer the Ju188A-1.
Agreed. I'd rather have the 188. But, from a variety standpoint, we could use the Dornier, but not the 217. If we're going to get the Dornier, it will most likely be the Do-17z for EW arena. And that won't happen until we get the He-111, so we probably won't see the Do-17 or the Do-217 for a loooong time.
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Certainly! :aok
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Alrighty then... the Do217 carried 2.2k more ord (6600lbs to 8810lbs), is able to fly about 50mph faster at 19k alt.
*shrugs*
Don't forget the MUCH better defensive armament
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But, from a variety standpoint, we could use the Dornier, but not the 217. If we're going to get the Dornier, it will most likely be the Do-17z for EW arena.
Actually the Do 217 could fill a huge gap in the planeset. The 17Z would only see use in EW (and even there not much, being massively outperformed by all other buffs) and occasional special events.
The Do 217 could be easily used in EW, MW and LW, as well as special events (Dieppe, Normandy, MTO (sinking of the Roma).
Don't forget that there are no really competitive axis buffs in LW, if you have a German Iron squad you have to stick to a very slow and almost defensless bomber.
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Actually the Do 217 could fill a huge gap in the planeset. The 17Z would only see use in EW (and even there not much, being massively outperformed by all other buffs) and occasional special events.
The Do 217 could be easily used in EW, MW and LW, as well as special events (Dieppe, Normandy, MTO (sinking of the Roma).
Don't forget that there are no really competitive axis buffs in LW, if you have a German Iron squad you have to stick to a very slow and almost defensless bomber.
Like many others, I just feel that if a Luftwaffe medium bomber is going to be added, it really should be the He-111. I don't disagree that a LW German bomber isn't long overdue, but why not a heavy? Why not the He-177? It's fast, it's got a healthy payload, it's both weird and cool. And AH doesn't model any reliability issues, so they won't be catching fire for no apparent reason. And heavy buffs seem to see much more use in-game than the mediums do.
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I'd like a 111 and a 177, please :)
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:aok
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Do-217 :aok A capable axis bomber. :aok :aok
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Alrighty then... the Do217 carried 2.2k more ord (6600lbs to 8810lbs), is able to fly about 50mph faster at 19k alt.
*shrugs*
You're overlooking the improved defensive armament.
Why the heck do some of you want a Ju-188 instead of a Do-217? Is it because would be weaker than the 217 and barely an improvement of the current Ju-88? :furious Or is it because of the cockpit view? ;)
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You're overlooking the improved defensive armament.
Why the heck do some of you want a Ju-188 instead of a Do-217? Is it because would be weaker than the 217 and barely an improvement of the current Ju-88? :furious Or is it because of the cockpit view? ;)
You need to review the Ju188A-1 now.
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I.A.R. 81c
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You need to review the Ju188A-1 now.
Nope, I already have, and that's why I'd prefer the Do-217. The JU-188 is only a bit faster than the JU-88, carries the same payload, but does have a better defensive armament than its predecessor.
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yep...HE111 for sure. would go along way for many.
Also, would be great to have the Migs added.
one more though (okay two)...bring the Oscar to AH, and the betty!
RTR
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Nope, I already have, and that's why I'd prefer the Do-217. The JU-188 is only a bit faster than the JU-88, carries the same payload, but does have a better defensive armament than its predecessor.
325mph is only a bit faster than 270mph? :huh
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The performance stats I'm familiar with have the JU-88A being faster than 270mph and the JU-188 being slower than 325mph. :confused: For example, HTC's own performance curve shows the JU-88A maxing at around 290mph TAS.
Another consideration is max internal bombload. The JU-188 is no improvement here, whereas the Do-17 could carry 2500kg of bombs internally, compared to the 88/188's 1000kg internal load. More payload internally means less drag, so a faster bomber, a more capable machine.
The one thing I'll give you is that the 188's defensive armament was frequently an MG-151 in the dorsal position, rather than the Do-217's MG131. :rock
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Ju188A = 325mph
Ju188E = 315mph
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I'll take a D0-17 or a D0-217 ....for sure.
We could use some Japanese Bombers as well
Helm ...out
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Already posted once on it, and decided to throw in somemore pics, and give the link up for somemore thought...
Dornier Do 217
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,239807.0.html
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/Do217cs_1.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/do-217.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/do217cs_2.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/do217cs_3.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/do217e-2.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/do217j-1.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/do217m1.jpg)
EDIT: As you can see with this picture, the tailwheel turns to allow better turning on the ground, could be helpful for landing/takeoff/avoiding vulching tards (although.... I don't see why you'd up this at a capped field... :huh) fun stuff like that.
Enjoy guys :aok
looks like a fish, but yea ill support you