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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FrodeMk3 on August 19, 2008, 10:48:16 AM
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Here's a USA today link on the story:http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2008-08-15-gun-toting-teachers_N.htm?csp=34 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2008-08-15-gun-toting-teachers_N.htm?csp=34)
Reading up on it, It looks' like all of the school and mall shootings' have finally come to a head. To tell you the truth, I'm mildly suprised that they did this.
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Its about time ........
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Dont have a problem with this as long as they are trained and dont leave the guns in their desks.
What they need to do is list the ban on guns at school all together..
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Way to go Texas! That's exactly what all schools need to do to better protect their students.
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I'm pretty sure that just making it known that teachers are allowed to concealed carry will ensure that this school never becomes a target.
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Why am I not surprised that it's Texas?
:rolleyes:
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This comes to mind reading this topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0
:rofl
On a serious note tough, its a sad day when you have to start arming your teachers. No matter if its needed or not.
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What most of you probably didn't notice is this entire West Texas school district has 110 students. That's K - 12.
It's not like arming teachers in Dallas or Houston where there may actually be a threat of school violence.
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Vince Young is gone. They'll attempt to arm anything, right now.
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you people are looking at it from the wrong angle, you say they are arming teachers, i say they are allowing teachers with a concealed carry permit to carry their guns in school.
i think if you have a ccp you should be able to carry a gun any where you want to.
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What they need to do is list the ban on guns at school all together..
I don't know about that...
I'm supportive of the armed (if trained) teachers idea. I'd like my kids to have a realistic measure of protection from the occasional nutcase.
IMO, if a teacher isn't responsible enough to handle an inanimate tool in a safe manner, he/she has no business being responsible for the temporary care of my children.
I DO NOT support an altogether lift on the firearm ban at schools. Untrained teachers have no business carrying, and neither do I think it should be OK for kids to bring them there.
MtnMan
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gun crimes and wanton gun violence is natural in a 'gun free zone'. Add the random thought to the would be-perp's mind; "hey, somebody here could be armed, and shoot back..." and the perp will likely wander off looking for a safer spot to kill folks. Like maybe a PETA board meeting.
Lets not look a gift horse in the mouth.
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What they need to do is weed out the riff raff and spend their time teaching those that want to learn.
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lol this is so wrong...sad
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I don't know about that...
I'm supportive of the armed (if trained) teachers idea. I'd like my kids to have a realistic measure of protection from the occasional nutcase.
IMO, if a teacher isn't responsible enough to handle an inanimate tool in a safe manner, he/she has no business being responsible for the temporary care of my children.
I DO NOT support an altogether lift on the firearm ban at schools. Untrained teachers have no business carrying, and neither do I think it should be OK for kids to bring them there.
MtnMan
We always had guns at my school when i was a kid. Hunting could have been a School sport, Between teachers bring in new rifles to show off to kids leaving guns in the backseet or trunk of the car. We never had a shortage.
I am not sure if we should go back to that or not. But anyone with a ccw should be able to carry.
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What they need to do is weed out the riff raff and spend their time teaching those that want to learn.
Yep, this imho is a good tactic, alltough shootings could come from this in "revenge" so to speak. But im with ya 100%, in every class you got 1-4 people thats there to cause problem only. Kick em out for good and let their parents handle their "education".
School aint supposed to be a friggin daycare center.
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All children in a classroom should carry a gun, otherwise all the killer has to do is shoot at the teacher first.
Plus, there is the risk that killer challenges himself to try to kill the teacher with his own weapon.
Ahother solution could be building schools with glass roofs and a tall tower at the center where a sniper team permanently controls every child behaviour from.
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public schools recruit and pander to "riff raff" because it is all about the money to them.. they get the same amount of money for everyone.
lazs
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What most of you probably didn't notice is this entire West Texas school district has 110 students. That's K - 12.
It's not like arming teachers in Dallas or Houston where there may actually be a threat of school violence.
I would say that they were a prime target just waiting to happen considering their location.
Very wise move IMO.
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I would say that they were a prime target just waiting to happen considering their location.
Very wise move IMO.
What most of you probably didn't notice is this entire West Texas school district has 110 students. That's K - 12.
It's not like arming teachers in Dallas or Houston where there may actually be a threat of school violence
Bet thats what that amish school thought to.
Texas just has the balls enuff to do something everyone else would like to do.
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What most of you probably didn't notice is this entire West Texas school district has 110 students. That's K - 12.
It's not like arming teachers in Dallas or Houston where there may actually be a threat of school violence.
Tell that to the victims at West Nickel Mines School.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting
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I'm wondering why they'd do it in Small Towns in Texas? I live in a mid-sized town and almost nothing outside of a small fight ever happens. Until they can give it to teachers in big cities, no use.
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-Imagines a teacher mid 40's maby 50's jumping on top the desk, sick and tired of the kids and unloading into a room of 30 siting ducks.-
Heh, should prove interesting, guess time will tell.
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public schools recruit and pander to "riff raff" because it is all about the money to them.. they get the same amount of money for everyone.
lazs
Just curious.....
If they receive the same amount of money for everone, why would they specifically recruit "riff raff". Is this to boost their numbers, even though the law requires every child to attend school. Of course exceptions are made for home schooling and pvt. schools.
I guess I don't get the connection. Then again I was educated by the public school system.
Fred
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Bet thats what that amish school thought to.
Texas just has the balls enuff to do something everyone else would like to do.
Tell that to the victims at West Nickel Mines School.
You guys' do realize that even if the Laws' in Pennsylvania had allowed the Teacher at West Nickel mines' school to go armed, that due to a fairly strict upbringing in Amish ways that include a belief of Nonresistance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonresistance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonresistance) That they wouldn't have done anything anyway? As a matter of fact, one of the boys' actually carried the guys' shotgun in to the school for him.
That wacko Milk truck driver knew that the amish would be the easiest target around; They wouldn't defend themselves' even if they held a gun in their own hands, due to their religous beliefs.
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Shhh... you're ruining a good guns solve everything rant. Facts have no bearing in this.
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Thinking back to my school days & some of the sadist's that were teachers. Who will decide what teachers measure up to carry guns.
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Thinking back to my school days & some of the sadist's that were teachers. Who will decide what teachers measure up to carry guns.
yeah, if they could have.. i can just see one or two of the demented power tripping teachers that i had with an ivory grip .45 auto tucked away in their desk draw to compliment their engraved leather strapping strap and lacquered bamboo cane.
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School security is a Catch-22 situation; either the school hires armed security guards and puts one in each classroom, or they arm trained and qualified teachers. That is IF they want to prevent anymore Columbines.
Those of you citing examples of demented teachers wielding firearms in the school seem to have no problem with arming the police....some of which have been severely demented themselves.
By the way, I read an official summary of the Columbine shootings that was issued some months after the shootings, and the conventional wisdom that was first quoted about Harris and Kliebold being picked on outcasts was bunk. The little salamanders were just that...salamanders. The leader, Harris, was adjudged to be psychotic and violently anti-social. For no reason, apparently, other than he wanted to hurt people and break things.
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I'm wondering why they'd do it in Small Towns in Texas? I live in a mid-sized town and almost nothing outside of a small fight ever happens. Until they can give it to teachers in big cities, no use.
I was raised near a small town. Population at the time was around a whopping 600.
We had what can only be called an "assault team" rob the local bank. Entry team, rooftop snipers and ground perimeter set up by the robbers. Yeah.....................noth ing ever happens in a small town.
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badkarma.. yep.. you got it... just like when they armed millions of citizens and gave em the right to carry concealed weapons..
You and your ilk "predicted" that every fender bender would turn into a old west range war right on the streets.
Your womanly metrosexual hysteria is as well founded on this issue as it was on that one.
lazs
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Shhh... you're ruining a good guns solve everything rant. Facts have no bearing in this.
i loled
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Shhh... you're ruining a good guns solve everything rant. Facts have no bearing in this.
If they would have used almost any other example of a school shooting, such as Columbine or VT, I wouldn't have said a peep. But the Amish school is perhaps' the worst example to use in one of these things, because the Amish aren't gonna use violence even in self defence.
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I say train em and arm em. :aok
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Frode...you have a point...in that they don't do the violence thing. :) I'll give ya that.....However....It is possible....that IF they had something of this IN place....the teacher MAY have broken with tradition. Possible don't you think?
And I was basically using the small town school as to say no place is out of reach.
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Frode...you have a point...in that they don't do the violence thing. :) I'll give ya that.....However....It is possible....that IF they had something of this IN place....the teacher MAY have broken with tradition. Possible don't you think?
And I was basically using the small town school as to say no place is out of reach.
It's still not a good example, because when you read the link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting) You notice that the Amish school shooting didn't actually begin as such; It started more as a hostage situation, that then turned ugly, with the shooting of the hostages. Let me put it this way; At VT and Colombine, once the shooters' started criminal activities, they were shooting people from the get-go. Here, the Penn. state troopers' were trying to communicate with the Hostage-taker first. The situations' were different, Perhaps' leading the victims inside to think that there was a way out of this without bloodshed. Now, for the Amish, at least in this story, that would be a key issue.
I see your point about a small school being out of reach. However, the likelyhood of a shooting happening in a larger school (Colombine, VT, etc.) Is much greater.
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I see your point about a small school being out of reach. However, the likelyhood of a shooting happening in a larger school (Colombine, VT, etc.) Is much greater.
Thats basically all the point I was making...example excluded....thanks
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i wish i could bring my gun 2 school rofl.... if somtin like columbine happens, i can cap that fool
-BigBOBCH
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IF it had been alowed at Columbine, the outcome possibly wouldn't have been so bad or may noy have happened the way it did. Before the punks went into the school a deputy that was there [only person with a gun] was shot at by them and simply stayed put. IF there had been teachers inside with a gun, I doubt the punks would have had so much time to plan things out and do what they did.
THATS the point.
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I would like to be able to carry into a courthouse again, but alas, even though I have had a ccw for 30 years and get background checked and printed every 3 years, they say no :cry.
I don't think putting guns into schools is going to solve anything.
Sure we can all sit here and use Columbine as an example of how it may have been stopped had a teacher been armed and happened to have run across those guy's but who knows?
We do know that swat was outside while the shooting was going on and chose not to enter, you think some shop teacher with a glock is going to save the day?
shamus
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I was raised near a small town. Population at the time was around a whopping 600.
We had what can only be called an "assault team" rob the local bank. Entry team, rooftop snipers and ground perimeter set up by the robbers. Yeah.....................noth ing ever happens in a small town.
Lets see, I live 20 miles from austin in a town w/ 50,000+ people in it. 2,000 people go to my school. A lil slap fight between 2 wussies once a month is about all that happens. I've only seen in 3 serious fights and I was in 1 myself, people here are all talk.
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Well hmmmm....
There was a shooting in the Tacoma Mall, (Tacoma WA)
Just some wackjob w an AKcopy...
An armed citizen was by the door when the culprit walked in
and whipped it out...
Badguy was charging his weapon, as Mr Goodcitizen drew his
pistol, (.40cal I think).... Mr goodguy does his best Starsky/Hutch,
points his pistol, and says FREEZE... Uh Oh!!!!
Badguy turns and mows him down with the AK....!
The goodguy should have taken cover, not drawn any attn....
Waited till the guy passed by, and opened up on the renta cops...
Then stepped out, and popped the whacko a new hole in the back of his head....
Case Closed!!!
Is your shop teacher ready to be that ruthless????
If not, then leave the guns at home....
:salute RC
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We do know that swat was outside while the shooting was going on and chose not to enter, you think some shop teacher with a glock is going to save the day?
shamus
I'm not a cop but I do know that if I was a teacher, with a gun, in my class room with gunshots going off that they would have had a few holes in them when they came through that door and wasn't wearing a uniform, while carrying a gun.
Guns are tools just like a hammer or an axe. Use them for good or not. IF they were so bad then why do we have more gun violence in modern times when fewer people can carry them than we did over 100 years ago when most people carried them?
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Well hmmmm....
There was a shooting in the Tacoma Mall, (Tacoma WA)
Just some wackjob w an AKcopy...
An armed citizen was by the door when the culprit walked in
and whipped it out...
Badguy was charging his weapon, as Mr Goodcitizen drew his
pistol, (.40cal I think).... Mr goodguy does his best Starsky/Hutch,
points his pistol, and says FREEZE... Uh Oh!!!!
Badguy turns and mows him down with the AK....!
The goodguy should have taken cover, not drawn any attn....
Waited till the guy passed by, and opened up on the renta cops...
Then stepped out, and popped the whacko a new hole in the back of his head....
Case Closed!!!
Is your shop teacher ready to be that ruthless????
If not, then leave the guns at home....
:salute RC
What about the Colorado Springs church shooting?
Assam, a church security guard with law enforcement experience, fired her own weapon at the invader and stopped his attack, police say.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorado.shootings/index.html
Seems as though she stopped anymore innocent people from getting shot.
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Guns are tools just like a hammer or an axe. Use them for good or not. IF they were so bad then why do we have more gun violence in modern times when fewer people can carry them than we did over 100 years ago when most people carried them?
Schools around here frown on axes in class too.
shamus
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Schools around here frown on axes in class too.
shamus
But they have hammers, saws, screwdrivers, etc. in thier shop classes [if they have them]. However I find it funny that they ban pocket knives from school but a sharpened pencil can be just as deadly.
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Lets see, I live 20 miles from austin in a town w/ 50,000+ people in it. 2,000 people go to my school. A lil slap fight between 2 wussies once a month is about all that happens. I've only seen in 3 serious fights and I was in 1 myself, people here are all talk.
Oh well then........if you live near Austin then we know nothing like what is being discussed can ever happen at a school......right?
The name Charles Whitman ring a bell with you?
Let me refresh your memory.
"Charles Joseph Whitman (June 24, 1941 – August 1, 1966) was a student at the University of Texas at Austin who killed 14 people and wounded 31 others as part of a shooting rampage from the observation deck of the University's 32-story administrative building on August 1, 1966. He did this shortly after murdering his wife and mother. He was eventually shot and killed by Austin police."
BTW......he was brought down eventually with the help of armed citizens.
How soon some seem to forget.
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Jackal, the one thing he doesn't say is that when he went to school they had discipline. When they got rid of spankings in school the kids have started running the schools. Thats a big part of the problem with todays youth.
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Jackal, the one thing he doesn't say is that when he went to school they had discipline. When they got rid of spankings in school the kids have started running the schools. Thats a big part of the problem with todays youth.
sad to say they are know saying you cant spank your own kids, lol that will be the day, anyone tells me i cant spank my kids, ill tell them to take em for a week and see lol, they will be begging me to take them back,(and ive got pretty darn good kids) kids need spankings, thats why God made there butts so cushiny. so a good spanking wont hurt all that bad. and they will learn.
"spare the rod, spoil the child"
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sad to say they are know saying you cant spank your own kids, lol that will be the day, anyone tells me i cant spank my kids, ill tell them to take em for a week and see lol, they will be begging me to take them back,(and ive got pretty darn good kids) kids need spankings, thats why God made there butts so cushiny. so a good spanking wont hurt all that bad. and they will learn.
"spare the rod, spoil the child"
and thats sad thing. The government says parents are responsible for thier kids actions and they won't let the parents be a parent.
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and thats sad thing. The government says parents are responsible for thier kids actions and they won't let the parents be a parent.
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