Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 1BULL on August 20, 2008, 08:55:11 AM
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Hello all,
My wish is that the ammo in the defencive guns of my B-17 was transferable. For instance ammo from the chin was transferable to the tail and the
ball. Is that what they would have done, I can not count the times I have downed three enemy contacts before I have reached the target, only to have no tail
or ball ammo on the egress home.
Thank you for your time 100Bull
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I would most definitely agree. Or at least allow us to package up some more ammo that we can use to reload. That way if we don't use it and it's shot by a bandit we can say, "Fireworks!" :D
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Or witht he perked ordanance system coming with the combat tour(2 weeks) we could choose how much ammo goes where.Like before you take off you can take ronds from the nose and put them in the ball turret.
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Heck, why not just have all the ammo "pooled" for the entire aircraft? You could blow it all from one gun, or jump from one to the other and use "whatever's left" in the plane?
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I don't think in RL ammo could be transferred between guns in all aircraft. Some maybe but definitely not all. Would require a lot of coding to allow for some and not for other I think.
:salute
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But in real life you had some ammo sitting off to the side ready to slap into Betsi should you be running low.
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Heck, why not just have all the ammo "pooled" for the entire aircraft? You could blow it all from one gun, or jump from one to the other and use "whatever's left" in the plane?
Or we could just fly through some powerups otw to the next level :rock
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Or we could just fly through some powerups otw to the next level :rock
LOL!!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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But in real life you had some ammo sitting off to the side ready to slap into Betsi should you be running low.
Maybe you did, maybe you didn't. Depending on the length of the mission, fuel load and bomb load you might not have been able to take extra ammo due to weight restrictions.
The only guns it would be easy to share ammo from would be the waist guns. All the other gun positions had large ammo boxes that the belts were laid into. It would be possible to get some ammo from same the chin turret but you'd have to pull the belt out of the ammo tray, not just pick up a box and go with it.
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"By now, because of the loss of so many ships (B-17s) that were behind us, we found ourselves to be in the unenviable position of "tail end Charlie"! The battle was now approaching two hours, which for an air battle was rare. Our tail gunner had run out of ammunition and came up to where I was (top turret) to get some of what I had left."
Sam Hewitt 15th Air Force
"There we were, two groups, one a B-17 group and one a B-24. When the fighters showed up the B-24 leader slid our formation in under the B-17 group, for more protection as well as for more defense against the fighters. So where did they attack? Yes right in my corner, low left and last. You can see why they called it Purple Heart Corner. My tail gunner, George Federlin shot up all of his ammo and the waist gunner took more ammo to him."
George R. Insley - ETO 1943 to 1945 - 44th Bomb Group, 2nd Air Division, 8th Air Force, based in Shipdon, England. 48 combat missions
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Or we could just fly through some powerups otw to the next level :rock
lol
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How about ammo boxes in the sky, floating, when you touch it, you magically rejuvenate your ammo! :D
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Maybe you did, maybe you didn't. Depending on the length of the mission, fuel load and bomb load you might not have been able to take extra ammo due to weight restrictions.
The only guns it would be easy to share ammo from would be the waist guns. All the other gun positions had large ammo boxes that the belts were laid into. It would be possible to get some ammo from same the chin turret but you'd have to pull the belt out of the ammo tray, not just pick up a box and go with it.
That's correct.
But, I'm betting you didn't take out 1 ammo box in b17's/b24's as the primary "deep strike" bomber (for the era... till the 29 came around and pwnzor'd :cry) I'm pretty sure you'd want to make sure you had enough ammo to get there, and home, rather than take the 1 extra bomb... imo at least.
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Floating ammo boxes, ammo up points, wow you guys have to much time on your hands. I'm not asking for
something unreasonable, or unfathomable. There have been time where I would have given my left foot for
one hundred rounds for my tail gun. By the way I am allways my squads tail end charlie.(I think it has to do
with my inability to form up ha ha)
100Bull
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they could do that in a 17 in WWII so why not
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Maybe HTC could make it like the backshift key on the gv in order to change ammo type. Well fellas I hope this will get seen by the staff. Thanks for your support.
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Dear HTC,
Formal request to be able to relocate ammo, example moving chin ammo to the rear gun. Maybe you could be able to hit the backspace key to which ever gun you are controlling. Maybe by hitting the backspace key you would be able to move 100 rounds at a time. Just something to give all the B-17s a chance while they are on the long haul. Thank you for the greatest game on the face of the planet, created in the greatest state on the planet. <S>
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This is a good idea; however, I think that the ammo transfer should take some time, like when using the rearm pad. Maybe 15 seconds per transfer.
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:rofl
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Hmm. I think it would be safe to say that the overwhelming majority of bombers in WWII did not have ammor bearers to shuffle ammo from chin-ball-waist-rear-top turrets when one or the other ran out. There are some good examples that have been given to support the cause, but in general I think it would amount to almost unlimited ammo for the rear gunner and that would spell even more deaths for attacks planes.
Currently, most rear gunners keep an eye on their ammo for they know it will only last so long. This helps prevent the spray-n-pray we all frown upon.
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well,loon,when you got a gunner with no ammo,i think he would be willing to go somewhere else in the plane and grab some,unless he's a lazy fart
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No, then you'd have 20,000 rounds in the tail gun...
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No, then you'd have 20,000 rounds in the tail gun...
And what good are the other 19,400 rounds of ammunition when the only people who don't attack from the dead 6 position are the guys in the 262's, 152's, and 190-A8's smashing your bomber group apart from the front where you only get 1/4 of a second firing time? The only guys who don't attack from the 6 O'clock are the guys who usually attack from such angles as to make defensive fire useless.
IMHO, the tail gun should be reloadable, but at a price. One belt of 100 rounds at a time, requiring 30 seconds to reload after you fire out your ammunition. Think about it. The tail gunner has to get out of his position, while wearing a breathing apparatus, flack jacket, heavy clothing, gloves, etc. etc. etc. Walk/crawl/waddle up to the top/nose/waist gunners. Open their box, grab the ammunition, walk/crawl/waddle back to his position, open his box, throw the ammunition in, toss it on the gun and chamber a round. I'd be surprised if that's do-able on the ground in 30 seconds; let alone at 20,000 feet, in the cold, with someone shooting at you, with turbulence, flack bursts raining all over the sky, and so forth.
100 rounds might not be much, but there've been times where even 5 bullets would've saved my bomber, and there are other things you can do while waiting to reload. Pitch her up into auto-climb so the top gun can get a shot. Initiate a violent left/right turn while in the waist gunner position with the rudder pedals so they can get a shot. Not sure if the 17 can, but I know the 24 can perform an Immelman, scare the hell out of pursuing fighters be ho-ing them. (Not sure if I have film of it, I was in a Wirble watching an enemy 24 on the deck playing around, I'll need to look.)
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Or we could just fly through some powerups otw to the next level :rock
:rock
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unless he's a lazy fart
Or unless his legs have been filled with shrapnel by attacking enemy fighters... :uhoh
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When you limit bombers to historic speeds, then let's talk about the need to reload that tail gun position....
:noid
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Dead gunners don't run ammo.
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Drones without dead gunners do.
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Get rid of drones and I can see this function as being realistic.
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Dead gunners don't run ammo.
Rarely would there be a dead gunner, meaning, the turret that was most needed, would be taken, there were many circumstances where the left/right ventral gunner was sent to operate the tail gun...
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What would be hilarious is that if transferred all your ammo to the tail gun only to have it Knocked out (so you couldn't get it back)
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What would be hilarious is that if transferred all your ammo to the tail gun only to have it Knocked out (so you couldn't get it back)
Imagine the channel 200 rants... :cool:
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When you limit bombers to historic speeds, then let's talk about the need to reload that tail gun position....
:noid
X2.
Drones already exceed aircraft limitations when the lead plane has the throttles firewalled.