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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: TC31st on August 21, 2008, 08:43:51 AM
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Does HTC really care what we want? I believe they do. I think it would be absolutely foolish of any business to ignore their customer base and disregard every reasonable request. The secret to any successful venture is to keep your customers happy - and, after all, we are their meal-ticket. Even though AH has virtually NO competition and they could get away with just doing nothing, I believe the "guys in Texas" are trying to "improve" this game and make it better, sometimes with great results, and sometimes -- well, not so great. But, at least they are trying. Which brings me to the point of this post. All compliments and ankle-humping aside, maybe its time to consider that "new" and "improved" is not always neccessarily better. Granted, the graphics and new plane models are great and I'm sure a LOT of work was put into these areas along with many other refinements but if we take the blinders off and step back and listen, in generlal the player base is not having FUN. The tremendous response to the "Bring back the MA" and "this game is booring" posts speaks volumes.
Of course you can't please everybody and no matter what you do someone will be unhappy, this is a fact of life. HTC can also scratch their heads and say "we gave em great graphics and new planes and tanks and terrains and their still bichin', what the hell do they want?" I think the answer is: "they want to have fun" and all the eye candy is useless when every night its the S.O.S. over and over and over. Add to that lag and low frame rates and arena lock -outs and you've got an increasingly frustrated and digruntled (but still loyal) player base.
Personally I am very gratefull for all the hard work done to improve the graphics and always want new plane models but yes, the game NEEDS a fun-injection. So, I have all this philosophy, but what about HOW to make it fun?
Well, maybe sometimes to move foward, you have to look back. How about dusting off some of the "moldy-oldie" concepts and bringing them back into the game. For example; remember "relaxed realism" and "Full realism" ? That would quell a lot of the whining and also deal with the server load issues. Diversity is the key - give em other stuff to do - the old WWI arena was great! The "Jet arena" was great. Getting tired of the MA stuff, go fly jets or biplanes. Now you got multiple arenas with plenty of stuff to do to keep everybody happy. (and, btw this would also pretty much eliminate the need for ENY)
Now, I'm talkin like this is as easy to do as flippin a switch. I have no idea how easy or difficult it would be. I know its been done, but is the code still available? Do these even still exist? If it is at all possible, IMHO bringing back these concepts or something along similar lines would give this game a tremendous boost and really make it fun again.
my 2C for what its worth...
TC
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Well, maybe sometimes to move foward, you have to look back. How about dusting off some of the "moldy-oldie" concepts and bringing them back into the game. For example; remember "relaxed realism" and "Full realism" ? That would quell a lot of the whining and also deal with the server load issues. Diversity is the key - give em other stuff to do - the old WWI arena was great! The "Jet arena" was great. Getting tired of the MA stuff, go fly jets or biplanes. Now you got multiple arenas with plenty of stuff to do to keep everybody happy. (and, btw this would also pretty much eliminate the need for ENY)
I don't remember any of this in AH.
I remember Korea and Relaxed Arenas in the Old Air Warrior.
I remember the WWI Arena in Warbirds.
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Well, maybe sometimes to move foward, you have to look back. How about dusting off some of the "moldy-oldie" concepts and bringing them back into the game. For example; remember "relaxed realism" and "Full realism" ? That would quell a lot of the whining and also deal with the server load issues. Diversity is the key - give em other stuff to do - the old WWI arena was great! The "Jet arena" was great. Getting tired of the MA stuff, go fly jets or biplanes. Now you got multiple arenas with plenty of stuff to do to keep everybody happy. (and, btw this would also pretty much eliminate the need for ENY)
Now, I'm talkin like this is as easy to do as flippin a switch. I have no idea how easy or difficult it would be. I know its been done, but is the code still available? Do these even still exist? If it is at all possible, IMHO bringing back these concepts or something along similar lines would give this game a tremendous boost and really make it fun again.
my 2C for what its worth...
TC
Well, I have been playing for 6+ years and in that time, I have never seen any of those "notions" implemented in Aces High ... so I don't think there is anything to "bring back" ... sounds like your confused with another game.
Also ...
There are no "server load" issues ... Skuzzy has stated that the servers are hardly stressed.
We already have multiple arenas and I don't see how adding any more (different) arenas would stop the need for ENY.
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Now, I'm talkin like this is as easy to do as flippin a switch. I have no idea how easy or difficult it would be. I know its been done, but is the code still available?
Different game, no switch to flip.
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Im glad we have the game to play at all thanks. HTC does listen to its users. The people that are bored are probably experiencing 'growth' as an online gamer in AH. By adjusting their gaming habits they will rediscover excitement... or not. Dont care. Mostly the complaint about people running is just a whine.
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Titanic tuesday has the most UFOs, the most lag, the most rubber bullets and "funky" issues, to the point I will NOT log into the MAs anymore on Tuesday. I know at least a handful of people have claimed the same after I mentioned it before.
The "servers hardly stressed" bit is BS. SOMEthing is stressed. Check out high-volume FSOs and scenarios where we get dozens upon dozens of UFO dots that aren't really there.
P.S. It's a "I want! I want!" post disguised as a friendly "thanks" post. Relaxed realism? Go play Fighter Ace. About as relaxed as it gets.
Bring back the MA? Hell no. It's not the same. With all the server changes since then the single MA just doesn't work like it used to and is the worst gaming experience that can be offered now in AH, when considering playability and quality of connection.
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only place i have "funky" stuff going on is when theres hordes in the 50s.....
fly away from the main group and its totally fine.
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This thread is gonna go places.
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Ive got in idea about the "ENY". Say ENY is 15,and the spit16 ENY is 5 instead of not being able to fly it they would be able to up it for 15 perks. A sliding perk scale value for the planes.
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only place i have "funky" stuff going on is when theres hordes in the 50s.....
fly away from the main group and its totally fine.
Fly offline and the connection is totally fine, too.
That's not saying much.
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<snip>The "servers hardly stressed" bit is BS. SOMEthing is stressed. Check out high-volume FSOs and scenarios where we get dozens upon dozens of UFO dots that aren't really there.<snip>
Bring back the MA? Hell no. It's not the same. With all the server changes since then the single MA just doesn't work like it used to and is the worst gaming experience that can be offered now in AH, when considering playability and quality of connection.
You are making assumptions about things you have no knowledge of.
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Ive got in idea about the "ENY". Say ENY is 15,and the spit16 ENY is 5 instead of not being able to fly it they would be able to up it for 15 perks. A sliding perk scale value for the planes.
I have no problem with people spending perks to fly low ENY rides when their side's numbers are high. Good idea.
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The "servers hardly stressed" bit is BS. SOMEthing is stressed. Check out high-volume FSOs and scenarios where we get dozens upon dozens of UFO dots that aren't really there.
Like in frame 2 or Rangoon. We never found the bombers(untill it was to late) because of all the planes in one area.
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I want more wednesday babes! Please!
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I have no problem with people spending perks to fly low ENY rides when their side's numbers are high. Good idea.
Thanks i have one every now and then. :aok
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You are making assumptions about things you have no knowledge of.
O noes........Krustytwit got owned! :aok :rofl
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O noes........Krustytwit got owned! :aok :rofl
:rofl
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in generlal the player base is not having FUN. The tremendous response to the "Bring back the MA" and "this game is booring" posts speaks volumes.
TC
Well give that the "tremendous" response is still comming from what i would guess is less than 1 % of the people playing im not so sure. Its the very vocal minority (maybe) that feels this way. I will not begin to guess how many customers they have but if you take a look at who is posting in threads its usually one or maybe two dozen _different_ people. Doesnt mean that they (we) are not worth listening too, but it puts things into some sort of perspective.
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Very simplfied:
Lag, rubber bullets etc are all data related as we all know. The issue that Skuzzy has w/someone pointing at the servers is that most have NO clue how the infrastructure of going from ones PC to the HTC servers and then back w/a bit of data (haha..get it..bit of data... okay nm) is so full of variables beyond his control.
Your PC and cause issues and lag.... your local cabling from your PC to your outside connection. The various routers used along the path can be issues.... the actual back bones your data travel on. DOes this data have priorty for this part of the path? Good lord there are so many things that can affect YOUR view of the game its mind boggling....and it can effect how others see your plane of course as well.
All Skuz can do is make sure is network is good to go... monitor his local backbone as best as possiable and run w/it.
If he says it looks good then the issue is somewhere he has no control over.
Skuzzy and HTC do a bang up job I think.
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my 2C for what its worth...
Not much.
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The "servers hardly stressed" bit is BS. SOMEthing is stressed. Check out high-volume FSOs and scenarios where we get dozens upon dozens of UFO dots that aren't really there.
And you know for a fact that the servers aren't "hardly stressed" ?
Hardware and software are 2 separate entities that work together ... the "servers" (hardware), I believe are not stressed at all. The software may be stressed, but that would only be a guess and I could be ...
You are making assumptions about things you have no knowledge of.
PWND
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You are making assumptions about things you have no knowledge of.
Must be a day with "Y" in it for that to be true of Krusty.
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I played the other sim during the time period when it was found that many of the top "vets" were actually flying in Easy Mode. Having multiple FM's was one of the three things that virtually destroyed the player base.
No thank you. I don't mind auto take off for those who need it, but adding a dumbed down flight model is an unmitigated disaster in the making.
<S>
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I want more wednesday babes! Please!
But with relaxed realism!
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Titanic tuesday has the most UFOs, the most lag, the most rubber bullets and "funky" issues, to the point I will NOT log into the MAs anymore on Tuesday.
Good ! we will N O T miss your HOness :lol
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Yes, HTC Listens to its users, the problem is, They don't listen to their non-paying users. If HTC listened to ALL of their users h2h would still be here... h2h was what had the most users that have at their same skill level, When h2h went away I was just starting to be and Ace... that all changed... Maybe HTC should keep h2h and maybe if the users get good enough maybe they will Pay... I was thinking about starting to pay but noooo... bye bye h2h and HTC's money from me, in h2h I was starting to be able to fight some of the better pilots that play h2h and MA. HTC stoped my favorite game, So I stopped playing it and went to BFV and BF1942. Every time I see the AH2 Commercial on the Military Channel I roll my eyes, Mainly at the part where you guys stole off of Medal Of honor where they Shoot the game name and logo... Not trying to get anyone banned/kicked/mad or anything I'm just giveing my 2 cents. My Question for Skuzzy is, Why did you guys take h2h away? I don't need an answer right away but I would like one. One day I had to uninstall AH2 for a better game, I think anyways, America's Army. Since then I have all forgotten how to fly on AH2, when and if AH2 h2h comes back, I'm not ganna trust you guys anymore since you took it away last time. I hope my 2 cents was what it was worth, I need those pennies.
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Yes, HTC Listens to its users, the problem is, They don't listen to their non-paying users. If HTC listened to ALL of their users h2h would still be here... h2h was what had the most users that have at their same skill level, When h2h went away I was just starting to be and Ace... that all changed... Maybe HTC should keep h2h and maybe if the users get good enough maybe they will Pay... I was thinking about starting to pay but noooo... bye bye h2h and HTC's money from me, in h2h I was starting to be able to fight some of the better pilots that play h2h and MA. HTC stoped my favorite game, So I stopped playing it and went to BFV and BF1942. Every time I see the AH2 Commercial on the Military Channel I roll my eyes, Mainly at the part where you guys stole off of Medal Of honor where they Shoot the game name and logo... Not trying to get anyone banned/kicked/mad or anything I'm just giveing my 2 cents. My Question for Skuzzy is, Why did you guys take h2h away? I don't need an answer right away but I would like one. One day I had to uninstall AH2 for a better game, I think anyways, America's Army. Since then I have all forgotten how to fly on AH2, when and if AH2 h2h comes back, I'm not ganna trust you guys anymore since you took it away last time. I hope my 2 cents was what it was worth, I need those pennies.
Step away from the crack pipe.
[edit] and I sense the PNG club emerging from it's spot in the closet.
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I'm Not Jokeing around. And I don't do drugs, That is to much crap to take when You were just about to make a name for your self... Try to Think about people that care.
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I'm Not Jokeing around. And I don't do drugs, That is to much crap to take when You were just about to make a name for your self... Try to Think about people that care.
You sure are making a name for yourself now ... but coming directly from H2H and making a huge splash in the MA pond ... I think not. It would have been a rude awakening for you.
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You are making assumptions about things you have no knowledge of.
Fair enough. I don't know what it is. I don't know it's the server. The server may be fine. However the end result is that something can't handle things as well on Tuesday as on any other day of the week. The same end results are seen on scenarios and FSOs with increasing regularity as we push the limit on the number of pilots in a single arena.
So I don't know it's the server. But it has to be something on the server's side. Sorry for generalizing.
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the "servers" (hardware), I believe are not stressed at all. The software may be stressed, but that would only be a guess and I could be ...
That's why I called the comment BS. A tad harsh, I do admit.
A server is not just a chunk of hardware. The CPU itself may not be at full capacity. The ram may have 1 GB free when redlined, I don't know how they define "stressed" -- but a server includes the software, the overall package (i.e "the server") isn't holding up as well, whether or not the physical components are.
I think it misleading the way it was phrased, hence my reply.
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<snip>So I don't know it's the server. But it has to be something on the server's side. Sorry for generalizing.
That's why I called the comment BS. A tad harsh, I do admit.
A server is not just a chunk of hardware. The CPU itself may not be at full capacity. The ram may have 1 GB free when redlined, I don't know how they define "stressed" -- but a server includes the software, the overall package (i.e "the server") isn't holding up as well, whether or not the physical components are.
I think it misleading the way it was phrased, hence my reply.
Again, you are making assumptions about things you have no knowledge of. It does not have to be on the server side, no matter how much you think it should be or how many times you say it is.
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They don't listen to their non-paying users.
:rofl
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The only time I have issues is when I'm in a low furball over a GV battle. Simply toggling from Full Visibility to Short Visibility helps some. My machine is a 2002 Pentium3 which I think is the main cause.
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That's why I called the comment BS. A tad harsh, I do admit.
A server is not just a chunk of hardware. The CPU itself may not be at full capacity. The ram may have 1 GB free when redlined, I don't know how they define "stressed" -- but a server includes the software, the overall package (i.e "the server") isn't holding up as well, whether or not the physical components are.
I think it misleading the way it was phrased, hence my reply.
BLAH BLAH BLAH, From what I can see HTC business is growing, more and more new folks on all the time. They must be doin somethin right. Some goofy things goin on on tuesday but it's NO big deal. The ghost dots are harmless and easily ignored. I suspect HTC is using Titanic Tuesday as a test arena and learning much from it for potential future upgrades so I say WTG and thanks for the game!! :rock
Oh and krusty, isn't it painful to always have to micro ANALize every frikkin thing on the bbs ? RELAX, a little self pleasure and a beer will help ;)
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I don't mean to putt anyone on the spot, and I don't mean any harm, but I kinda like to here what HTC's reply to the main topic of this post is. and Im not taking sides, Im just happy to be flying at all.
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Yes, HTC Listens to its users, the problem is, They don't listen to their non-paying users.
What possible motivation would a company have for investing time, resources and effort to satisfy people who have no intention of paying for the service? I highly suggest you take a course in basic economics. If there is no potential for even the indirect realization of revenue and profit from an endeavor no company could possibly consider it and remain solvent.
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I believe one item that might be very helpful if improved,is a "solo" arena. For those nights
where you want a good battle,but you dont want to contend with the "crowd".In "Warbirds" they
have a free-flight where you can also pick and choose air or ground battles with the number of
enemy. This would give a guy a chance to get away for a bit,but still enjoy the fun of AHII
without working an "editor" or going to another game for solo fun.
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Amen Zazen for that...All I could think is, I don't listen to nonpaying customers either.
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I'm Not Jokeing around. And I don't do drugs, That is to much crap to take when You were just about to make a name for your self... Try to Think about people that care.
Maybe you should take drugs... I would recommend one that would improve your spelling for a start. It bothers me not one bit that the freeloaders and H2H are gone.
It might be a good idea to bring it back but have it be a feature available to PAYING customers. (sorry, that would exclude gvs).
Your post makes very little sense, due to your lack of anything resembling written communication skills...
Try to Think about people that care.
What on earth were you trying to say??? Maybe I can get the translation from someone that already has a name made for themselves!
If you haven't made a name for yourself, what do others call you?
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Personally, I'd be satisfied if they put only big maps in rotation in one LWA and only small maps in rotation in the other, lifted the caps and brought back all the old maps.
Relaxed realism... no. WWI and Korea... yes. But those were all AW components, not AH and the WWI and Korea arenas were as sparsly populated as EW and MW are now.
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What possible motivation would a company have for investing time, resources and effort to satisfy people who have no intention of paying for the service? I highly suggest you take a course in basic economics. If there is no potential for even the indirect realization of revenue and profit from an endeavor no company could possibly consider it and remain solvent.
Can I get an "amen" from the congregation!?! :aok
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A couple of points directed at the OP...
The design and implementation of a product that is in constant dynamic flux as all massively multiplayer games are is never "complete". There are three primary factors that influence the moving target of implementation:
1) Technology
2) Design Concept
3) Customer
Technology improves rapidly in this industry and HTC does a fairly good job of keeping pace with those changes without creating prohibitive minimum system requirements that would disenfranchise large swaths of customers. Limiting technological factors that plague the game today may be resolved tomorrow. So, the incorporation of changes to accommodate those types of technological innovations that cast off restrictions are far more important than updating graphics to make full use of the latest/greatest video cards out there, for example.
The design concept is like the Wizard of Oz behind his curtain. We can only assume by the current implementation to what extent it is still a work in progress. If I were HTC, I would have short, medium and long-term goals to improve, modify and update design concept changes. A lot of those changes would be "on hold" pending technological advancements and integration. I would imagine HTC does in fact have some kind of list along those lines.
Then of course there's the customer. This is where it gets tricky. Because, while I say, "The Customer", which is how it looks on paper, in reality there's 10,000+? people who feel they are, "The Customer". Everyone's expectations and perspectives of the product are different. Even more complicating is the fact that a lot of what some customers may want conflict with current Technological limitations and/or the design concept. While some "geeks' may fathom their future expectation is currently out of reach technologically it is understandably unlikely they would know whether their future expectation is in direct conflict with the designer's evolving game design concept..
So, while there's no doubt HTC listens to their customers, as they have categorically proven. It is not as simple as, "Your wish is my command, sire". There's mitigating factors, "The Customer", is completely oblivious to for the most part. That being said we do owe it to HTC to keep them informed of what we'd like in the short, medium and long-term for possible consideration and inclusion on their "magic list".
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What possible motivation would a company have for investing time, resources and effort to satisfy people who have no intention of paying for the service? I highly suggest you take a course in basic economics. If there is no potential for even the indirect realization of revenue and profit from an endeavor no company could possibly consider it and remain solvent.
Come on Zaz ... I would have thought that you would have realized, after reading his post, that you would have had to "dumb down" your reply more than that if you really wanted to get your point across.
Or was that as "dumb downed" as you can go ? ... :rofl
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Maybe you should take drugs... I would recommend one that would improve your spelling for a start. It bothers me not one bit that the freeloaders and H2H are gone.
It might be a good idea to bring it back but have it be a feature available to PAYING customers. (sorry, that would exclude gvs).
Your post makes very little sense, due to your lack of anything resembling written communication skills... What on earth were you trying to say??? Maybe I can get the translation from someone that already has a name made for themselves!
If you haven't made a name for yourself, what do others call you?
All I'm trying to saying for non paying users, If it was live $1-$5 a month I would be satisfied.
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Come on Zaz ... I would have thought that you would have realized, after reading his post, that you would have had to "dumb down" your reply more than that if you really wanted to get your point across.
Or was that as "dumb downed" as you can go ? ... :rofl
Sorry, Let me try again...
No monies, no funnies!
or
No soup for you!
NEXT!
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Yes, HTC Listens to its users, the problem is, They don't listen to their non-paying users.
Who would you listen to? The customer that pays for his service or the free loader?
If HTC listened to ALL of their users h2h would still be here
No, H2H would still be here if you free loaders didn't bite the hand that fed you. It didn't go away because HTC didn't listen to their free loader player base, it went away because certain free loaders abused the free service HTC was kind enough to provide. If the free loader community was able to police itself and stop the rampant abuse that was taking place, I'm sure we would still have the H2H arenas. In short, the responsibility for losing H2H lies squarely with the free loaders that abused said service.
... h2h was what had the most users that have at their same skill level, When h2h went away I was just starting to be and Ace... that all changed... Maybe HTC should keep h2h and maybe if the users get good enough maybe they will Pay... I was thinking about starting to pay but noooo... bye bye h2h and HTC's money from me, in h2h I was starting to be able to fight some of the better pilots that play h2h and MA.
While the H2H arenas could be a good place to learn the game and could be a good training tool, unfortunately, as previously mentioned the service was being abused. Paying subscribers have the benefit of the Training Arena in addition to the expert advice of the AH trainers as well as additional advice from the regular players that visit the TA to lend some assistance.
HTC stoped my favorite game, So I stopped playing it and went to BFV and BF1942. Every time I see the AH2 Commercial on the Military Channel I roll my eyes, Mainly at the part where you guys stole off of Medal Of honor where they Shoot the game name and logo
I'm sorry but I had to quote this because it's just too damn funny not to make fun of. I'm sure HTC had MoH in mind when they were thinking of a logo for the commercial. :noid
... Not trying to get anyone banned/kicked/mad or anything I'm just giveing my 2 cents.
You should have kept your 2 cents, start saving those pennies so you can start to pay for a subscription.
My Question for Skuzzy is, Why did you guys take h2h away? I don't need an answer right away but I would like one.
Because the free loaders couldn't play nice and abused the service that HTC was kind enough to provide for free. If you let someone come into your house and they started to abuse the privaledge, wouldn't you kick them out?
One day I had to uninstall AH2 for a better game, I think anyways, America's Army.
I always laugh when people compare two differently different types of game and then claim one is better than the other. AH and AA are two different types of games, each with their own different target audience.
Since then I have all forgotten how to fly on AH2, when and if AH2 h2h comes back, I'm not ganna trust you guys anymore since you took it away last time. I hope my 2 cents was what it was worth, I need those pennies.
*snicker*
ack-ack
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One day I had to uninstall AH2 for a better game, I think anyways, America's Army. Since then I have all forgotten how to fly on AH2, when and if AH2 h2h comes back, I'm not ganna trust you guys anymore since you took it away last time. I hope my 2 cents was what it was worth, I need those pennies.
why are you here then posting about a game you don't care about anyway? Also, if you say you won't come back anyway, why would HT attempt to make accomodations to players that have no intention of playing the game, much less, even bother to subcribe? I think it would be great if companies made games for us to play for free, I also wish you could purchase a house for nothing, along with all of the things I need in life...sadly, this is not reality.
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You sure are making a name for yourself now ... but coming directly from H2H and making a huge splash in the MA pond ... I think not. It would have been a rude awakening for you.
Hmm, when H2H closed I had no trouble jumping in.
Thought for about 3 days if it'd be worth it to subscribe, and I decided to...
The MA's aren't all that different than h2h, more numbers, need more SA, but other than that, just got a few more "uber aces" to deal with...
As an example that H2H people weren't all "noobs" and "skillless" take the 17th Air Warriors (h2h) vs the 55th Velociraptors... 55th got it handed to 'em... not a loss of a single base for the 17th...
h2h was closed down do to hacking for player numbers, and I support HT for doing it, people were finding ways to exploit what we were graciously given... "biting the hand that tries to feed you" So to speak...
I don't really have server issues, sometimes a smidge of lag, but nothing too incredably bad.
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Again, you are making assumptions about things you have no knowledge of. It does not have to be on the server side, no matter how much you think it should be or how many times you say it is.
PWND again
:salute
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Hush opposum, grown-ups speaking here.
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As an example that H2H people weren't all "noobs" and "skillless" take the 17th Air Warriors (h2h) vs the 55th Velociraptors... 55th got it handed to 'em... not a loss of a single base for the 17th...
What is that an example of :huh Some H2H squads are better than others... surprise, surprise...
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Hmm, when H2H closed I had no trouble jumping in.
Thought for about 3 days if it'd be worth it to subscribe, and I decided to...
The MA's aren't all that different than h2h, more numbers, need more SA, but other than that, just got a few more "uber aces" to deal with...
As an example that H2H people weren't all "noobs" and "skillless" take the 17th Air Warriors (h2h) vs the 55th Velociraptors... 55th got it handed to 'em... not a loss of a single base for the 17th...
h2h was closed down do to hacking for player numbers, and I support HT for doing it, people were finding ways to exploit what we were graciously given... "biting the hand that tries to feed you" So to speak...
I don't really have server issues, sometimes a smidge of lag, but nothing too incredably bad.
I never said that an H2H pilot would have trouble "jumping in" ... what I said was that if you thought you were a hot watermelon Ace in H2H and thought for 1 second that that would translate to beating the best Aces in the MA arenas ... you were in for the surprise of your life.
I played many an hour in the H2H rooms and fought many good H2H pilots, but I couldn't find one dedicated H2H player that could compare to the MA "Aces" ... especially if they were to encounter more than 4 other players at the same time.
With that, I did run across some very good pilots in there and some, in time, became excellent MA pilots ... but they, by no means, left the H2H arenas and made an immediate impression, as an "Ace", in the MA arenas.
55th Velociraptors ... :rofl ... never heard of them. Now, had they beaten the Muppets, or the 13th TAS, or the Blue Knights, or the AKs (and the list could go on), then I would be impressed.
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What is that an example of :huh Some H2H squads are better than others... surprise, surprise...
Yeah, 17th =h2h 55th=MA...
The only real problem I had when jumping into the MA was my SA seemed like crap all over again :lol
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55th=MA...
Oh, the 55th was full of nooby squeakers, I assumed they were from H2H
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<---- patiently waiting for someone's defender to come in and claim how misunderstood that someone is.
:rofl :rofl
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Does HTC really care what we want? I believe they do. I think it would be absolutely foolish of any business to ignore their customer base and disregard every reasonable request. The secret to any successful venture is to keep your customers happy - and, after all, we are their meal-ticket. Even though AH has virtually NO competition and they could get away with just doing nothing, I believe the "guys in Texas" are trying to "improve" this game and make it better, sometimes with great results, and sometimes -- well, not so great. But, at least they are trying. Which brings me to the point of this post. All compliments and ankle-humping aside, maybe its time to consider that "new" and "improved" is not always neccessarily better. Granted, the graphics and new plane models are great and I'm sure a LOT of work was put into these areas along with many other refinements but if we take the blinders off and step back and listen, in generlal the player base is not having FUN. The tremendous response to the "Bring back the MA" and "this game is booring" posts speaks volumes.
Of course you can't please everybody and no matter what you do someone will be unhappy, this is a fact of life. HTC can also scratch their heads and say "we gave em great graphics and new planes and tanks and terrains and their still bichin', what the hell do they want?" I think the answer is: "they want to have fun" and all the eye candy is useless when every night its the S.O.S. over and over and over. Add to that lag and low frame rates and arena lock -outs and you've got an increasingly frustrated and digruntled (but still loyal) player base.
Personally I am very gratefull for all the hard work done to improve the graphics and always want new plane models but yes, the game NEEDS a fun-injection. So, I have all this philosophy, but what about HOW to make it fun?
Well, maybe sometimes to move foward, you have to look back. How about dusting off some of the "moldy-oldie" concepts and bringing them back into the game. For example; remember "relaxed realism" and "Full realism" ? That would quell a lot of the whining and also deal with the server load issues. Diversity is the key - give em other stuff to do - the old WWI arena was great! The "Jet arena" was great. Getting tired of the MA stuff, go fly jets or biplanes. Now you got multiple arenas with plenty of stuff to do to keep everybody happy. (and, btw this would also pretty much eliminate the need for ENY)
Now, I'm talkin like this is as easy to do as flippin a switch. I have no idea how easy or difficult it would be. I know its been done, but is the code still available? Do these even still exist? If it is at all possible, IMHO bringing back these concepts or something along similar lines would give this game a tremendous boost and really make it fun again.
my 2C for what its worth...
TC
Wrong board..... this game is fun. We have 4 Main Arenas with TA, AVA, and SEA added to boot. If your not having fun maybe you need to get some quarters and run down to your nearest 7-11 ( :D ) :aok
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Well Iam the PEOPLE and I say ive got what I want so...
Thank you HTC
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I understand what TC's driving at...and there is a point in there imho.
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Oh, the 55th was full of nooby squeakers, I assumed they were from H2H
While there were some tards in the 55th saying they were all "nooby squeaker" is 100% wrong and there were some good pilots in there.
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While there were some tards in the 55th saying they were all "nooby squeaker" is 100% wrong and there were some good pilots in there.
Sorry for that mistake then, I have little experience with them, the main thing I remember was when they were a total no show for FSO and their CO said that no one made it because their parents all made them go to bed early :rofl
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Sorry for that mistake then, I have little experience with them, the main thing I remember was when they were a total no show for FSO and their CO said that no one made it because their parents all made them go to bed early :rofl
And that made you think they were squeekers? :rofl
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What about thoes guy called Honor Guards? a few good pilots there as well :D
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WHOA!...I expected some flaming, no biggie it goes with the territory when posting in here, but anyway A LOT of response to this post...and thats a good thing regardless of pro, con or flamers. Yeah, those dusty old arenas were Air Warrior stuff and I recall, albiet somewhat vaguely, that they were a lot of fun. The WWI arena got old kinda quick but it was a welcome change of pace (it very well could have been a warbirds scenario - but I kinda remember it as part of AW) The Korean (jet) arena was a hoot - even just that would be very cool - get the dam irritating p.i.t.a, jets out of the prop arena and into their own scene. <--- gonna get flamed on that one for sure.
The point was (is) before the post got hijacked, how about something new and interesting - even if its ressurecting an old concept would help raise the fun factor in the game. IMHO the early and mid arenas just don't do it, even if we do go there for a change, its still the same thing with a limited plane set. FSOs and snapshots are great, but STILL the same thing with a historical switch. I am not knocking the MA WWII prop scene by any means, I am hooked on the AH crack pipe just like everyone else and I will keep coming back for more regardless of changes or not. It just would be great to have an alternative arena to go to when things get boring. I bring up jets and WWI because its been done before as part of this (AW) game and I am assuming it could be re-incorporated without a huge hassle. Of course I could be totally wrong and it could very well be extremely difficult to accomplish, in which case there's not much point to continuing the discussion, is there?
TC
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I bring up jets and WWI because its been done before as part of this (AW) game and I am assuming it could be re-incorporated without a huge hassle. Of course I could be totally wrong and it could very well be extremely difficult to accomplish, in which case there's not much point to continuing the discussion, is there?
TC
It can't be re-incorporated because it's a different game, different code and different developer. It's not as simple of just adding a new arena and some biplanes. Sure they could use some existing assets from AH but the planes, flight models, skins and other artwork would need to be redone or created from scratch. That costs money and time which at this time could be spent in other areas such as completing the long awaited Combat Tour expansion and update and maintain the existing AH arenas and planes.
ack-ack
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Aces High is badass. I was thinking of a few tweaks. Here's what I want kinda...
1. I wish i knew the link to Gixer's smiley that eat's popcorn, the drama on this BBS is quite fun compared to other BBS
2.I gotta sa Thanks Skuzzzy and his HTC crewfor this fun community and my friends, PIGS and the knights and the kinda the bish and yes even the Army of Muppets and especially hispanos. not the rooks tho :devil J/K
3. A quick question, anyone ever get the feein AK aK sleeps w/ a 45 caliber under his pillow :O
4. Oh and Motherland has caused the Triad of Hell, Brimstone, and Death to emerge in 2012 by putting that FN guy Billy Mays in his Fn avatar
5. Skuzzy, are we getting the B29? The community has spoken numerous times that we don't like New Ben stiller movies
6. OH in my humble opinionI like the "foo fighers" makes it look like Junky is poopin on A35 again during fighter game
7.AH needs some merchandise. I would sport an ALT F4 noobs T shirt.
8. Each country should have a mandatory day that Delirium gets to plan missions and we all have to join.
9. Cmon people where else in the world can you kill so many celebrities at once. I alone have killed Oprah, Elvis, BillyD and world reknowned 675488 in one sitting.
10. May ur rounds be plentiful and ur beers be cold. :rock :salute
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All I'm trying to saying for non paying users, If it was live $1-$5 a month I would be satisfied.
It's 52 cents a day fer crying out loud. $1 a month for anything anywhere? Show me. OR, you could feed a starving child in a third world country....
wrngway
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3. A quick question, anyone ever get the feein AK aK sleeps w/ a 45 caliber under his pillow :O
I carry a 45 every day and sleep within reach of a 45 and a shotgun each night. I never have any trouble.
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3. A quick question, anyone ever get the feein AK aK sleeps w/ a 45 caliber under his pillow :O
Why would I sleep with a gun under my pillow?
ack-ack
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possibly for self defence against ur avatar. I'd want a 45 to shoot that fn thing.
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possibly for self defence against ur avatar. I'd want a 45 to shoot that fn thing.
Why would you want to shoot Snoopy? Are you a Communist?
ack-ack
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LMFAO :aok
AK Ak I would shoot scroter the piano kid tho. :devil
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but I do remember Someone from HTC mentioning the possibilty of future WWI and Korean conflick arenas a long time ago when arenas first split.
I think I would like WWI more so then Korea, but they both sound fun. I'd be interested to hear any comments on this skuzzy might have.
(would be fun to kick ideas around with HTC staff)
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ahhhh...finally! <sigh> someone who understands... ty Yanks, these guys had me thinkin I was on a bad acid trip :rolleyes:
Seriously tho, how about it Skuzzy - is this at all in the realm of possibility, or is it just too difficult to impliment?
WAIT!!!.......now, here's an idea.........how 'bout we grease the 'ol wheel a little...everybody who wants a Korean and/or WWI arena, send the Skuzz a few bucks extra, y'know, just a little token of our "gratitude and support" - not at all like a bribe, or anything, ...we'll call it a "political contribution" <nudge, nudge wink, wink> oh, and of course, HiTech doesn't have to know about this - we'll just keep it to ourselves - very discreet and all..
jeeez...now I'm hijackin my own thread!
TC
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damm ive laughed alot on the AH boards but, i just read the whole thread, :rofl :rofl
ACK ACK, stop trying to get him to save his pennies, im still tring to figure out what he said ive read it over and over but its all so confusing......... but seriously though every time i up a plane i have fun, if you cant have a good time time in Aces High, it is YOUR OWN fault,
this game is great, HTC is doing a great job, and its only getting better, i know you cant make every one happy but damm people get a clue...
it seems like people expect to to be "great" in a couple weeks in this game, and when they get there prettythang handed to them over and over they blame the game, and dont look at themselves,
we who have been here for say five years or more, understand how steep the learning curve is, heck i have 5 and a half years and i still cant shoot for crap, make stupid mistakes on Every fight, could not hit a building with a bomb unless i was in it, die almost every sortie, colide (accidentialy),
but yet EVERY time i fly i get major adrenaline rushes, have a absalute blast, yell out load in victory, or defeat, enjoy pretty much every moment (except the climb out) allthough that can be fun too.
thats why i get a kick out of these type's of posts, some people will never be happy
HTC kick prettythang job pay no heed to OP :aok
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Yes, HTC Listens to its users, the problem is, They don't listen to their non-paying users. <SNIP>
Non paying HTC users of the world...UNITE!! :rofl
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Mr Ink - dood, I've been playin this game for over 10 yrs... 'ats right bucky, all the way back to AW, so I think I paid my dues a little. At least enough to ask if something thats been done before can be brought back. Nobody's whinin' or cryin' or complainin', just asking if it could be done without a huge hassle...if it can, great - something to make the game better (in my opinion) if it can't, OK, end of story!
really don't mid bieng flamed for the idea, but stretching a question/request to a complaint, thats a bit much..please get the facts straight before handing out labels, TY
TC
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Mr Ink - dood, I've been playin this game for over 10 yrs... 'ats right bucky, all the way back to AW, so I think I paid my dues a little. At least enough to ask if something thats been done before can be brought back. Nobody's whinin' or cryin' or complainin', just asking if it could be done without a huge hassle...if it can, great - something to make the game better (in my opinion) if it can't, OK, end of story!
really don't mid bieng flamed for the idea, but stretching a question/request to a complaint, thats a bit much..please get the facts straight before handing out labels, TY
TC
:salute
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Mr Ink - dood, I've been playin this game for over 10 yrs... 'ats right bucky, all the way back to AW, so I think I paid my dues a little. At least enough to ask if something thats been done before can be brought back. Nobody's whinin' or cryin' or complainin', just asking if it could be done without a huge hassle...if it can, great - something to make the game better (in my opinion) if it can't, OK, end of story!
really don't mid bieng flamed for the idea, but stretching a question/request to a complaint, thats a bit much..please get the facts straight before handing out labels, TY
TC
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Well, maybe sometimes to move foward, you have to look back. How about dusting off some of the "moldy-oldie" concepts and bringing them back into the game. For example; remember "relaxed realism" and "Full realism" ? That would quell a lot of the whining and also deal with the server load issues. Diversity is the key - give em other stuff to do - the old WWI arena was great! The "Jet arena" was great. Getting tired of the MA stuff, go fly jets or biplanes. Now you got multiple arenas with plenty of stuff to do to keep everybody happy. (and, btw this would also pretty much eliminate the need for ENY)
by reading this, you wrote this right?
it seems like you are a little confused as to what game you are playing, "jet arena"?? :rofl
i can tell you have been playing for 10 years. :rolleyes:
go play fighter ace dude
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Mr Ink - dood, I've been playin this game for over 10 yrs...
TC
Don't think so. Snork
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At least enough to ask if something thats been done before can be brought back.
TC
You can't bring back something that was never in the game to begin with. That was in AW, AH is not AW. You will never see a RR arena in this game and I am glad. It would do nothing whatsoever in decreasing server load since it's not an issue. The servers aren't taxed at all, even on Titanic Tuesdays.
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it seems like you are a little confused as to what game you are playing, "jet arena"?? :rofl
i can tell you have been playing for 10 years. :rolleyes:
go play fighter ace dude
Actually, about 6 years ago in Air Warrior and dating back over 12 years, the Korea arena had the F-86 Saber and Mig-15 along with the P-51D, P-38, A-26 Invader and a few other planes used in the Korean war.
They also had a WWI arena and full and relaxed realism Europe and Pacific arenas for the WWII aircraft.
He's right about all that except that was Air Warriors, not Aces High. To implement them here would be akin to creating a couple of new games to add alongside what we already have, although much of the work would already be done.
That said, I'd like to see WWI and Korea as well as possibly the Spanish Civil War as add-ons. They would provide nice options/diversions from the other MA's. I'd rather see that than CT.
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Thank You BaldEagl..
not worth gettin into it with you Ink, just a bit of advice - its usually a lot less embarassing if you know what you're talking about before you open your pie hole.
Yeh Ack, it was part of AW and of course AH is light years ahead of AW, but it is an evolution of AW and I was wondering if it was part of AW maybe it could be updated and brought into AH. That is, of course if the code is even still around or available and depending on how much work and time it would take to update it.
A simple response from HTC :"nope, it can't be done,/don't have the original code/ have to rewrite the whole game/just too much work to do/sorry we can't do anything like that" or whatever would put an end to the whole idea....or maybe: "y'know, we could modify that old Korean arena and add it to AH without too much of a hassle - we'll think about it" is really where I was going with this whole thing.
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Thank You BaldEagl..
not worth gettin into it with you Ink, just a bit of advice - its usually a lot less embarassing if you know what you're talking about before you open your pie hole.
Yeh Ack, it was part of AW and of course AH is light years ahead of AW, but it is an evolution of AW and I was wondering if it was part of AW maybe it could be updated and brought into AH. That is, of course if the code is even still around or available and depending on how much work and time it would take to update it.
A simple response from HTC :"nope, it can't be done,/don't have the original code/ have to rewrite the whole game/just too much work to do/sorry we can't do anything like that" or whatever would put an end to the whole idea....or maybe: "y'know, we could modify that old Korean arena and add it to AH without too much of a hassle - we'll think about it" is really where I was going with this whole thing.
im not all that easy to embarrass,
or keep my "Piehole" shut, when someone makes a dumb post.
and you are the one that said " lets bring BACK jet arena..." not me
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I don't mean to putt anyone on the spot, and I don't mean any harm, but I kinda like to here what HTC's reply to the main topic of this post is. and Im not taking sides, Im just happy to be flying at all.
This guy isnt even talking about AH,Hes talking about Air Warrior.Whats HT gonna tell him? Brains must be switched off. :rofl
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Could someone please shoot Ack Ack's avatar? that dude is smurfy... :eek:
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Could someone please shoot Ack Ack's avatar? that dude is smurfy... :eek:
Nah, whatever irks you, makes us happy. :rock
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I have nothing to do with the development of anything.
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I have nothing to do with the development of anything.
Don't say that!
Even if it's true!
Skuzzy is da man! You'll break our lil hearts!
SKUZZY!SKUZZY!SKUZZY!SKUZZY!SKUZZY!SKUZZY!SKUZZY!SKUZZY!SKUZZY!SKUZZY!
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.......Yeh Ack, it was part of AW and of course AH is light years ahead of AW, but it is an evolution of AW and I was wondering if it was part of AW maybe it could be updated and brought into AH. That is, of course if the code is even still around or available and depending on how much work and time it would take to update it.
A simple response from HTC :"nope, it can't be done,/don't have the original code/ have to rewrite the whole game/just too much work to do/sorry we can't do anything like that" or whatever would put an end to the whole idea....or maybe: "y'know, we could modify that old Korean arena and add it to AH without too much of a hassle - we'll think about it" is really where I was going with this whole thing.
You are mixing up your facts...
Just because HT was involved with a game does not mean that any of the code for this game originated from that game. Do you realize what kind of copyright law suits there would have been back in 1998 when HT and Pyro started HTC? AW was still an active game in 1998 so you can bet they would have chased down anyone using code from their game.
And I am probably completely wrong on this, but I think HT wrote add-ons/mods for AW. Whereas he actually created the code in Warbirds.
So, it is not possible to add something that was never there in the first place. The code just doesn't exist for AH to add things from AW.
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Yes, HTC Listens to its users, the problem is, They don't listen to their non-paying users
Hey...stop...stop....c'mon cut off the zone, move along, take care, wear your masks....an alien is between us, he can be dangerous, hold your breath, take away your kids, we have a something landing from Mars :O
You can't be REAL :aok
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I have nothing to do with the development of anything.
Not even a rash? :devil
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Thanks for the info NHawk.
I guess there IS a some confusion over this...I was under the impression that after Kesmai killed Air Warrior, Hitech acquired it and developed Aces High. I do not know if they got the code, the rights or the concept ..and I guess thats not public knowledge. When I first fired up AH my reaction was: "Holy chit, this is Air Warrior on steroids" which led to the assumption that the game was improved and upgraded and evolved into Aces High. If it is a completely new development just using the AW concept, then obviously my rantings make no sense and everyone that keeps saying it is a different game is correct. ...and if that is the case, I will shut MY piehole.
...or, I could just start a new post asking for a Chopper arena
TC
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Aces High was created from scratch.
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I would like to add to this thread.
I LIKE TURTLES!!!!!!!!!
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Well that settles that. Thank You Skuzzy. Piehole shut.
(still think WWI and Korean arenas would be cool tho, ...mebbe someday :pray)
TC