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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: fyvsix on August 22, 2008, 11:54:07 AM
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Maybe some of you can enlighten me as to why Hitech decided to go with the P-47D-40 in lieu of the D30? According to Freeman, there were 665 D40's build as opposed to 2600 D30's which was quite a big production model block. Most of the late war Thunderbolt units had D30's but I've yet to figure out who used the D40 beside post war countries like Peru. The D30 and D40 were very similar, having the same engine and so forth. I think the D40 had a factory fillet and K-14, but these were field moded on D-27's and 30's anyway. Even the D40 skins in the game are from D30's for the most part. It almost seems as if it was as simple typo. Any input would be appreciated. They could probably due with a late model razorback (D21 or so) as well, with better ords/tank racks as well.
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oh, and where is my M model ;)
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We want ubers.. 40 is better than 30.. :D
Oh, and here's your 47M
(http://www.ww2fighters.org/images/p47/fireballDAMthumb.jpg)
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Why not?
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Wasn't the D30 in game, just taken out and replaced with the D40?
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Wasn't the D30 in game, just taken out and replaced with the D40?
Negative.
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Negative.
It was also my recollection that we had a D-30 and that they simply renamed it the D-40. May have been D-40 specs all along, I suppose.
- oldman
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It was also my recollection that we had a D-30 and that they simply renamed it the D-40. May have been D-40 specs all along, I suppose.
- oldman
As of April of 2002 when I started we only had the 11, 25 and 40. No 30, unless it was earlier. If so, I'm off the hook.
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The internal filenames (like for skins and for sounds) listed it as a d30 and this was corrected after some time. I was never sure why it was like that but I recall some comments when it was fixed.
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As of April of 2002 when I started we only had the 11, 25 and 40. No 30, unless it was earlier. If so, I'm off the hook.
so it must have happened between 10/01 and 4/02
- oldman
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If my memor yserves me right, it was renamed to D40 when AHII was launched. HT said that it was always D40 just named wrong in the game.
To answer the OP, I guess HTC thought that since most D30s were upgraded in the field to D40 standards, and they model only factory specs, the D40 is the more representative of "in service" late D model. On the other hand, our razorback is very un-representative. It has the water injection but not the paddle blade prop, so it is not really a very early jug, nor is it a "typical" razor back that were upgraded with both - these are the best jug fighters.
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If my memor yserves me right, it was renamed to D40 when AHII was launched. HT said that it was always D40 just named wrong in the game.
To answer the OP, I guess HTC thought that since most D30s were upgraded in the field to D40 standards, and they model only factory specs, the D40 is the more representative of "in service" late D model. On the other hand, our razorback is very un-representative. It has the water injection but not the paddle blade prop, so it is not really a very early jug, nor is it a "typical" razor back that were upgraded with both - these are the best jug fighters.
They were certainly meticulous in modeling the canopy framing that ya can't see B24's through :furious
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They were certainly meticulous in modeling the canopy framing that ya can't see B24's through :furious
That's just the 1940s version of sunshades. :D
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If my memor yserves me right, it was renamed to D40 when AHII was launched. HT said that it was always D40 just named wrong in the game.
To answer the OP, I guess HTC thought that since most D30s were upgraded in the field to D40 standards, and they model only factory specs, the D40 is the more representative of "in service" late D model. On the other hand, our razorback is very un-representative. It has the water injection but not the paddle blade prop, so it is not really a very early jug, nor is it a "typical" razor back that were upgraded with both - these are the best jug fighters.
D-11's were all fitted with water incjection at the plant, and at that time the paddle-blade had not come into service yet.
The D-15 saw the wing pylon introduction, and I believe the paddleblade prop. Props were sent out to groups to give as many Jugs as they could the paddle prop.
If fitted with the paddleblade, the D-11 would be way faster and even climb better then our D-40, I'd wager. I'd bet Widewing has some info on that.
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D-11's were all fitted with water incjection at the plant, and at that time the paddle-blade had not come into service yet.
The D-15 saw the wing pylon introduction, and I believe the paddleblade prop. Props were sent out to groups to give as many Jugs as they could the paddle prop.
If fitted with the paddleblade, the D-11 would be way faster and even climb better then our D-40, I'd wager. I'd bet Widewing has some info on that.
D-11 was the first model that had water injection that was controlled automatically, versus the D-4/D-5 versions that the pilot manually adjusted the amount of water that was used by the injection system.
D-15 was the first model that had plumbing and pylons for wing drop tanks and wing bombs.
D-22/23 was the first model to have the paddle-blade prop installed at the factory.
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D-11 was the first model that had water injection that was controlled automatically, versus the D-4/D-5 versions that the pilot manually adjusted the amount of water that was used by the injection system.
D-15 was the first model that had plumbing and pylons for wing drop tanks and wing bombs.
D-22/23 was the first model to have the paddle-blade prop installed at the factory.
Thanks for the correction :)
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D-11 was the first model that had water injection that was controlled automatically, versus the D-4/D-5 versions that the pilot manually adjusted the amount of water that was used by the injection system.
D-15 was the first model that had plumbing and pylons for wing drop tanks and wing bombs.
D-22/23 was the first model to have the paddle-blade prop installed at the factory.
It seems that I read where the D11 was modeled with the paddle props in place?
I was checking my books today and Stoney is dead on for the model variations. I also realize there was a lot of field mods.
I wish we had a D-11, D-22, D-27, D-40, M and N. But then again, I would. :D
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Well, one thing you need to remember about the P-47 was that just about every mod that was put on at the factory, except for the bubble canopy, was replicated in the field on older models. By mid-war, there were C models that had water injection, for example. Someone a couple of months ago posted a picture of Jugs taking off for Saipan from a CV and it listed it as a D-11. I stated that it couldn't have been a D-11 since it was taking off with drop tanks. Widewing looked up the serial number and sure enough, it was a D-11 that had been field modified with the pylons and plumbing. So, I would expect that there were D-11's that had paddle blade props installed, as well as some of the other mods that came out, just as most D-25's and D-30's got the vertical stab fillet, etc.
Simply put, HTC models the planes in their factory condition, and not what they were modified to out in the field.
Personally, I'm looking forward to the P-47D-23 and P-47M both showing their faces in Aces High at some juncture [insert mandatory "after other holes in the planeset are filled" disclaimer here].
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Personally, I'm looking forward to the P-47D-23 and P-47M both showing their faces in Aces High at some juncture [insert mandatory "after other holes in the planeset are filled" disclaimer here].
Would be offended if I hugged you! :D
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Simply put, HTC models the planes in their factory condition, and not what they were modified to out in the field.
Personally, I'm looking forward to the P-47D-23 and P-47M both showing their faces in Aces High at some juncture [insert mandatory "after other holes in the planeset are filled" disclaimer here].
:rock Would also like to an earlier model T-bolt than D such as B, or C-5. :salute
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I would absolutely love a P47M, P47D-23, and and an early model 47. (http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/images/smilies/drool.gif)
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Found this:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,118766.0.html
If you do a search on P47D-30, you'll see it was around a bit in 2002..