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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Mr Blue on August 22, 2008, 01:31:11 PM
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Ok..
when you are flying.. what is that 1 plane you are scared of to go against.. like.. you know ur gona lose or have a really hard time fighting..
(dont say ur not scared of any plane or that u never have hard times fighting.. cuz thats bull)
I 80% of the time fly the F6F and for some reason when i see a P51D i think.. ooohhh boy,, here we go again :frown: but to tell the truth i think i killed more P51d then died to them..
and i love going against spits and N1K2 but those 2 planes are the ones that kills me the most to tell the truth.. im starting to respect them more.. i know it has a LOT to do with the pilot. but man.. I have trouble with those 2.. in total. i killed like 10 spits and died like 20something.. :cry (yea i know.. im new and stuff.. ben playing a little over 3-4 weeks only)
and most of the times that i see a F4U or a 190 i do really good.. :aok
so what about u?
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Anything that's 300 yards on my 6 while i'm doing 150 knts OTD.
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Ju-88...
BB guns.. low speed... but who doesn't like uneven odds? :D
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Anything that's 300 yards on my 6 while i'm doing 150 knts OTD.
what he said.
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Tachyon's Tempest
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The La7 vrs. P-51/190 type fight is the only one I can think of off the top of my head where both the extending door is closed and where a substantially less savvy pilot is going to have much chance of outmaneuvering me.
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Tachyon's Tempest
:rofl
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Ok..
when you are flying.. what is that 1 plane you are scared of to go against.. like.. you know ur gona lose or have a really hard time fighting..
(dont say ur not scared of any plane or that u never have hard times fighting.. cuz thats bull)
I 80% of the time fly the F6F and for some reason when i see a P51D i think.. ooohhh boy,, here we go again :frown: but to tell the truth i think i killed more P51d then died to them..
and i love going against spits and N1K2 but those 2 planes are the ones that kills me the most to tell the truth.. im starting to respect them more.. i know it has a LOT to do with the pilot. but man.. I have trouble with those 2.. in total. i killed like 10 spits and died like 20something.. :cry (yea i know.. im new and stuff.. ben playing a little over 3-4 weeks only)
and most of the times that i see a F4U or a 190 i do really good.. :aok
so what about u?
I think you appreciate the fights against the spit and N1k because you are competeting on similar terms. In general I feel it's the similarities between too aircraft that make for an interesting encounter rather than the differences. With the F6F vs. the P-51 for most MA style engagements the 51 with E can remain more or less untouched if he chooses to. Alternatively if the Hellcat can exploit a sizable advantage in initial E, or can sucker the 51 into a close in knife fight the hellcat should emerge the victor. Pilot skill can influence this of course but I think it's generally true. The give and take in an engagment between similar aircraft is what I find thrilling.
Personally I usually have trouble against a well flown F4U, Ki-84, and Spit16. I wouldn't describe it as being "afraid" to fight these types, there isn't enough at stake for that. But they are some of the types I know I could be in for a signicant tangle if the stick knows his stuff. In fact the more I think about it I think I associate these types with some people I've had some good fights with that I've come out on the bottom of. AKDogg in his F4U, LippyCH in his Ki-84, and FX1 in his Spit16. I lose more than I win against these guys but it's entertaining one way or the other and usually good for a laugh.
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When I'm flying my K4 I think the plane I fear the most is the KI-84, followed by the Spit16, Yak, and probably a couple of others.
The Yaks I fear so much because most of the guys who fly the Yak kind of specialize in it, and they're very good. I don't mind a crappy Yak pilot in my K4, but the Yak dudes out there usually hand me my trash.
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I can't fly a 38 to well and when i see one hovering well above me i get worried. 1/2 the time they don't know what they're doing like myself, but ya never know till they in on ya.
High 262's and temps
I like flying the spit 8, when I see another spit 8 i get nervous
Ground targets would be whirbs.
I noticed while checking my score using HTC's for IE only spread type sheet thingy, that I died more often to CV gunners than anything else.
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The F6F because it seems that Greebo is always in flying the F6F's that I run into.
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I only have trouble with those dang planes with red icons. They are just a bunch SOBEs (sons of biscuit eaters) :lol
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I don't really worry about plane type when I've got friendlies nearby. When I end up in a one on one, all alone, I get a bit nervous when my opponent has a Spit 16, Hurricane 2c or Jap Zero. When I see one of those planes' icons I'm thinking to myself, "Hope this guy's a newbie...".
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The hurri's and Zero's are the ones that I am almost sure to lose to. Of course this is mostly because I love to turn fight and the Spit9 that I usually fly does not do well in that type of fighting against those planes. That is unless they are new players.
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Zeros make me nervous.
As I almost always fly a hurri Im used to things running away from me very quick, whilst Im being overtaken by stationary objects. I dont mind this much as the hurri turns beautifully , they miss, overshoot, and then wonder why they can hear hailstones on their canopy (8x303s ftw :D )
I dont like the zero simply cos it can go faster AND turn better :mad: which isnt very fair. Im twisting and turning like a snake on hit tin thru a furball dodging bullets and pickers only to find my tail being chewed off by a zero that wont get stuffed.
I now Ho on sight till I can find a better solution!
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the one 300-400 flying straight-ish on my direct 12... can't hit them for crap...
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P-47's expecially if it's a razor back. Don't see to many of them around and when I do it's usualy an ace flying the thing. Yucca comes to mind as someone who has handed me my head on more than one occasion while flying a D11 Jug. Most of the guys in the 56th are very deadly in the Jugs.
I can normally tell within the first turn if I'm going to be in trouble or not, but even then by the time I realize it, it's probably to late.
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A8TOOL .. Im not afraid of the 262s i get mad at them thow.. their to damn fast, bit that makes it easy to force them to overshoot, but when u see one.. it seems like their always around, never die. i never killed one, and im fighting one plane and gota keep a eye on the damn 262, its like he is everywere at the same time..
like i said,, i fly with the F6F. and when i see another one, i think,, ohh boy, cuz i know the F6F can take a beatin and still fly, i know i cant shot the living hell out of it and still see it glaze threw the sky and that gets me mad.. :mad:
I like going against 38s their big targets, 190s are hard to sneak up behind them, but i like going 1 on 1 with them..
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it truly shouldn't be the plane that scares ya, it should be the pilot, a great 38 stick can make you look silly in a zero, planes cant do anything with out the pilot, now i know that there are better planes, and some planes are just better at doing one thing or another, but the point remains the plane can do nothing, it is the stick controlling that LA7 that just out turned your spit.
that being said
the planes, and pilots i worry about, are the ones i seek out, those are the ones that you can learn from, i relish a good 1vs 1 with AKdogg, in his f4 the guy is a wizard in that plane,
or wingzero in his N1k, again he knows that plane so well, it does not matter what you are flying, you will know he is great, and Lazer he is another one,
so i hope i offended no one, but it truly is the stick to worry about not the plane
<S>
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it truly shouldn't be the plane that scares ya, it should be the pilot
Yep. I have no troubles with any plane in the planeset, however, there are few pilots that can give me some trouble.
ack-ack
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If I'm in a 17/24/26's, I fear no single fighter plane, not even Snail's 262. But it does seem that you guys are getting wise and attacking two at a time. No matter the planes, unless there is a large aerodynamic difference between them, I get a little nervous.
In a fighter, I worry about all! In the last 3 months I have gotten so much better, but I know deep down, I'm not much of a fighter pilot.
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The F4u and 38 are funny in this game cause you'll usually will get an easy kill or you'll get shredded. I don't find many varying skill levels w/ those planes. If Headhunters or good F4u guys r in the area i stay cautious. Btw, i suck at both, and fear my P-40B.
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My worst enemy in this game is the ground!!
I can't count the amount of times I have done a reverse and was just off by a little bit and Booom! 2690436 shot you down, without ever getting a hit on me.
Usually happens more when I have multiple cons on me, but happens in 1v1 too.
Your Favorite Landscaper,
Boner
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any dweeb planes ie: spitfire, niki,hurri, or la la
-BigBOBCH
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all of them, and none of them.
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Spitfire16 if the pilot is half decent. Duh. :P
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Well flown Yaks and Ki-84s, which seem to be most of them these days, are my biggest concern lately. But, anyone who really knows their plane is really dangerous, no matter what plane it is.
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I find I have the most trouble with the P38G. Why I keep flying the darn thing is beyond me......:)
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any dweeb planes ie: spitfire, niki,hurri, or la la
-BigBOBCH
Still whining I see.
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Well flown Yaks and Ki-84s, which seem to be most of them these days, are my biggest concern lately. But, anyone who really knows their plane is really dangerous, no matter what plane it is.
i jumped a yak the other night in MW. thought that i'd have him for dinner after 2 or 3 passes.
then i found out it was dedalos. from the tower :rofl
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what ever sakae is in. That guy has the keenest shot of anybody I have come across.
As for planes A6M's ... :noid
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Still whining I see.
I'm a bit puzzled that someone flying for at least 1.5 years and still not being able to get much better than 0.5 in K/D and k/s is still explaining to us in every second thread what a dweeb plane is and that only dweebs do this or that... ;)
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I'm a bit puzzled that someone flying for at least 1.5 years and still not being able to get much better than 0.5 in K/D and k/s is still explaining to us in every second thread what a dweeb plane is and that only dweebs do this or that... ;)
What puzzles me is that with .5 k/D he still manages 4+ kills per hour. Sounds like someone does a lot of base defense. Anyway, I thought "score doesn't matter." :P
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Honestly? Whatever the Muppets are flying. :uhoh
But if I had to pick, I'd say Yak's, P-51B, and K4. My cheap Dora tricks are wasted on those planes.
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I always worry about all planes. I get worried about a spit1. It's not the plane, its the pilot. Could have a 262 and the most idiotic pilot in it.
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Tachyon's Tempest when I'm already fighting someone low & slow.
Fixed :)
Seriously though, I hate spitfires...
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any dweeb planes ie: spitfire, niki,hurri, or la la
-BigBOBCH
One day you'll get a clue and realize that there are no dweeb planes, just dweeb pilots. A plane only does what the pilot tells it to do.
ack-ack
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what ever sakae is in. That guy has the keenest shot of anybody I have come across.
As for planes A6M's ... :noid
Get him 1v1 and he's one of the easiest kills you can be lucky to run into. His only strength is to come in and pick you while you're fighting someone else. YMMV.
ack-ack
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Yea it has a LOT to do with the pilot of course.. like i said.. im intimidated by the P51D. and i think cuz Vandetta likes it.. and he always gives me trouble... that guy has over 500kills in the P51D this month, so when i see a P51D im like.. ohhh boy.. but like i said.. I kill more of them then get killed by them.. (thats if i dont go across Vandetta)
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what ever sakae is in. That guy has the keenest shot of anybody I have come across.
As for planes A6M's ... :noid
I like the morning crew Im always running into some good fights. I find that I have my best with Sakae thats why I :salute him whenever he lands his kills. He will not run from you and always fights to the death win or lose.
The Ki84 gives me trouble if I dont get it within the first few turns. Other than that I fear no plane or pilot just some damn good fights.
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I'm a bit puzzled that someone flying for at least 1.5 years and still not being able to get much better than 0.5 in K/D and k/s
Have you heard of base defence? Being vulched 10 times for one kill is fun for some. You alt monkey.. :D
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Have you heard of base defence? Being vulched 10 times for one kill is fun for some. You alt monkey.. :D
That isn't base defense, that is feeding perk points/score to the other guys. :P
Base defense is when you up from a place you can gain altitude at and come in on the attackers from at least something resembling E parity and do some good.
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Tachyon's Tempest
No kidding man gosh i have a hard time killin that guy:lol
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I find I have the most trouble with the P38G. Why I keep flying the darn thing is beyond me......:)
Because it's teh U B E R :rock
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THe plane that gives me the most touble, is the Hurri2C. A plane to hate at alt.
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THe plane that gives me the most touble, is the Hurri2C. A plane to hate at alt.
Why? It's one of the most simplest planes to counter. If you don't get stupid and enter into a lufberry turn fight, they are easy to out maneuver. A spiral climb or other vertical maneuvers are pretty much sufficient enough to counter a Hurricane.
ack-ack
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reason my K/D is so low is i almost nvr play anymore, to busy
-BigBOBCH
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No kidding man gosh i have a hard time killin that guy:lol
It's actually insanely easy, once you chase him down.
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I always keep an eye out for those pesky F4U's (especially the C-Hogs!). Those things are fast enough to keep up with most every plane, and if you drop flaps it turns like a zero. I've found myself in a situation where I know the F4U pilot has full flaps down, so I'll just go vertical knowing I have plenty of E to rope him and end up finding him climbing with me the whole way somehow.
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Ok..
when you are flying.. what is that 1 plane you are scared of to go against.. like.. you know ur gona lose or have a really hard time fighting..
(dont say ur not scared of any plane or that u never have hard times fighting.. cuz thats bull)
I 80% of the time fly the F6F and for some reason when i see a P51D i think.. ooohhh boy,, here we go again :frown: but to tell the truth i think i killed more P51d then died to them..
and i love going against spits and N1K2 but those 2 planes are the ones that kills me the most to tell the truth.. im starting to respect them more.. i know it has a LOT to do with the pilot. but man.. I have trouble with those 2.. in total. i killed like 10 spits and died like 20something.. :cry (yea i know.. im new and stuff.. ben playing a little over 3-4 weeks only)
and most of the times that i see a F4U or a 190 i do really good.. :aok
so what about u?
Spixteen.
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Any plane I'm flying in. Whether P51 to P51 or F4 to F4.
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I think you appreciate the fights against the spit and N1k because you are competeting on similar terms. In general I feel it's the similarities between too aircraft that make for an interesting encounter rather than the differences. With the F6F vs. the P-51 for most MA style engagements the 51 with E can remain more or less untouched if he chooses to. Alternatively if the Hellcat can exploit a sizable advantage in initial E, or can sucker the 51 into a close in knife fight the hellcat should emerge the victor. Pilot skill can influence this of course but I think it's generally true. The give and take in an engagment between similar aircraft is what I find thrilling.
Personally I usually have trouble against a well flown F4U, Ki-84, and Spit16. I wouldn't describe it as being "afraid" to fight these types, there isn't enough at stake for that. But they are some of the types I know I could be in for a signicant tangle if the stick knows his stuff. In fact the more I think about it I think I associate these types with some people I've had some good fights with that I've come out on the bottom of. AKDogg in his F4U, LippyCH in his Ki-84, and FX1 in his Spit16. I lose more than I win against these guys but it's entertaining one way or the other and usually good for a laugh.
for a 38, to me as well, these 3 planes can be the most difficult. assuming the pilots are of equal or greater skill than myself....the f4u can slow down with with the 38 and most fights, to me anyway, it seems early on you either need to choose to try to exploit the vertical, or slow down quicker to get the f4u six....big problem though is roll rate, makes scissors quite tricky. KI-84.. a good match-up, biggest advantage a 38 has is deploying flaps before the KI...seems to me though, if you gain advantage and miss your shots....you could be in a world of hurt. spit 16 seems to hold almost all the cards..though low speed handling in the 38, at least to me, seems more stable...but without an advantage, these fights against skilled players are very difficult to win.
My favorite plane to fight is the 109k in a 38 against a good driver. It always seems like an intense fight, fast paced fight...that can last a bit.
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#1 109K4 -- Experienced sticks, tough escape options horizontal or vertical and these guys are generally good with the scissors
#2 Typhoon -- Straight line attacks usually detected but always while the "SA bubble" is compressed, tougher to set up good evasives in time due to that closure speed. Decent sticks.
#3 190D9 -- Awesome roll and speed, easy to kill slow, but the good sticks won't let that happen
#4 P51 -- Most of these guys seem pretty average but a headache in packs above you and a few guys have excellent shooting skills (yes that means you steve:)
#5 Yak -- Specialty pilots common in this one, the Yak doesn't seem to kill me with its guns, it ties you up or defends itself just long enough... :mad:
Honorable mention: F4U, P38: Seems like you either know how to fly these or you don't, and most don't.
Easiest:
SpitXVI, N1K,Hurri, Zekes: Fragile aircraft with lower ENY values seem attract inexperienced pilots. These make for easy one shot kills that even out an engagement much faster than going for that Yak or F6F. :devil
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Yaks and Corsairs
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I agree with Bosco and
disagree with AKC-ACK HHmmmmm
It takes 2 to 3 good vertical moves to get a hurri 2 in a position
to get a kill, at least for me.
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disagree with AKC-ACK HHmmmmm
It takes 2 to 3 good vertical moves to get a hurri 2 in a position
to get a kill, at least for me.
You just agreed with my point.
A spiral climb or other vertical maneuvers are pretty much sufficient enough to counter a Hurricane.
ack-ack
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the thing of it is if you are facing a stick who knows his hurri he will not follow you in the vertical unless he has enough E, and if thats the case, youll find youself in the tower real quick,(unless its me then you might stand a chance cuz my targeting sux so bad,lol) trust me i know, the Hurri is my main ride has been for years, i get it all the time "diddnt think that hurri could hold its E that good", or something like that,
THERE ARE NO DWEEB PLANES JUST DWEEB PLAYERS
get the point?probably not though, if you havnt gotten it yet
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Why? It's one of the most simplest planes to counter. If you don't get stupid and enter into a lufberry turn fight, they are easy to out maneuver. A spiral climb or other vertical maneuvers are pretty much sufficient enough to counter a Hurricane.
ack-ack
with no E on the deck? when he has a 5K advantage?
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I think it depends on what your flying. When Im in a Tempest or Tyhpoon I hate seeing LA7s because I know they can out preform and run me down if the have more E, but i usually try to kill them first. If I am in a Ki84 or something like that, I hate seeing A6ms and hurris but thats only in big furballs when I get to low and slow.The thing I always hate to see is the 15+k pony dweebs. From up there they can come down with an incredible amount of E and you cant do anything but aviod for an hour till they lose that advantage.
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Why? It's one of the most simplest planes to counter. If you don't get stupid and enter into a lufberry turn fight, they are easy to out maneuver. A spiral climb or other vertical maneuvers are pretty much sufficient enough to counter a Hurricane.
ack-ack
Try that with an good pilot and you will have a long way to fall asking yourself, How did he do that?
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For me its the C-Hoogs for sure and yaks , sometimes though when your in good S/A and see a guy coming in you just know he's a sharp stick regardless of the plane . :mad:
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Why? It's one of the most simplest planes to counter. If you don't get stupid and enter into a lufberry turn fight, they are easy to out maneuver. A spiral climb or other vertical maneuvers are pretty much sufficient enough to counter a Hurricane.
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I'VE BEEN FLYING AGAINST bigrat in some version of the f4u vs me in f6f. i've come at him with alt advantage, i've come at him co-alt, and i've locked on his six, only to overshoot when he does that landing gear thing. once he's on my six, i can't seem to shake him..........it is a hard plane to fight against....at least for me it is.....any ideas?
i also have to add.....lAst night i was flying mw, at a1. n72, tbarone, tyrant and a few others were there, picking, and ho'in. to give em credit though, they never vulched. i finally got pissed off with the ho'in, and broke down and returned the favor. i lost one(sorta as i was able to limp her back to the runway) and only put a few rounds in the wing of the other.
they were in p51, then p38, then me110. i had trouble with all of them....possibly because they had major e adavantages on me. i switched from the hellcat to the spit9, then to the p47. i fought rvflyer in a p38, and i ran out of gas just after the first merge. i couldn't believe i actually got the kill on that one too....just before i bellyflopped.
i noticed the jug is agonizingly low turning at low speed, but flaps helped a lot. i think i could learn to like that one.
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I used to always underestimate the Ki-61. Not any more.
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a6m2 and p38
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a6m2 and p38
The p38 in the right hands is tough plane to beat. In the wrong hands it is a very very easy kill.
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Try that with an good pilot and you will have a long way to fall asking yourself, How did he do that?
LOL...are you that good pilot you're talking about? Hate to tell you, the only thing the Hurricane can do better than the P-38 is turn on the horizontal plane. If the P-38 uses vertical turns, the Hurricane can't match. Since you challenged me in another thread, we can take this as the opportunity for you to show me how to 'walk the walk'. What do you say CO of the Rolling Flatulence or you just like the rest of your squad, meak and timid?
ack-ack
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LOL...are you that good pilot you're talking about? Hate to tell you, the only thing the Hurricane can do better than the P-38 is turn on the horizontal plane. If the P-38 uses vertical turns, the Hurricane can't match. Since you challenged me in another thread, we can take this as the opportunity for you to show me how to 'walk the walk'. What do you say CO of the Rolling Flatulence or you just like the rest of your squad, meak and timid?
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this SHOULD be good. :rock
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Tempest...I fly the FW 190A8. :frown:
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That isn't base defense, that is feeding perk points/score to the other guys. :P
Base defense is when you up from a place you can gain altitude at and come in on the attackers from at least something resembling E parity and do some good.
Not necessarily -- you need one poor goob to keep upping so the vulchers remain low and relatively slow so your buddies have maximum advantage when they arrive. We usually call said goob the "Target."
Hey, wait a minute!
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Not necessarily -- you need one poor goob to keep upping so the vulchers remain low and relatively slow so your buddies have maximum advantage when they arrive. We usually call said goob the "Target."
Hey, wait a minute!
This is a VERY viable tactic I have seen used MANY TIMES. I'll always laugh too because I'll tell them what's about to happen over range and they reply: "Well RTB then and we'll continue vultching." Green channel is usually in overload.
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Not necessarily -- you need one poor goob to keep upping so the vulchers remain low and relatively slow so your buddies have maximum advantage when they arrive. We usually call said goob the "Target."
Hey, wait a minute!
Love em or hate em I watched from the tower as the Bops busted a cap one night in a very effective manner. They all launched at one time from every direction and hanger that they could and the cap was busted within minutes. It truely was a thing of beauty.
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Love em or hate em I watched from the tower as the Bops busted a cap one night in a very effective manner. They all launched at one time from every direction and hanger that they could and the cap was busted within minutes. It truely was a thing of beauty.
:rofl :rofl
can you imagine the chatter going on on the radio of the guys vulching????? :rofl :rofl :rofl
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zekes,going head on with 110,yaks,when im in a-20 and allison gets on my 6 in n1k,tempest,when im in a formation of b-26s and rmrider sneaks up behind me in his 262,and the one i am scared of the most....
GOONS :uhoh
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:rofl :rofl
can you imagine the chatter going on on the radio of the guys vulching????? :rofl :rofl :rofl
I GET MAD WHEN PEOPLE VULCH MY FLAMING A-20 WING OFF AND IM ABOUT TO CLICK "END SORTIE" :mad:
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Its not the plane as it is the stick. I learned more from the fights I lost yesterday then 10x the same amount of ones I won.
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I used to always underestimate the Ki-61. Not any more.
:salute