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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: minus on August 12, 2001, 08:32:00 PM
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before begin some profanity on the puritan censor shut down HTC take away TA152 USELES !!!!!!!!!
for WHAT a hell we have this plane ????????
why WE have to profe if something wrong in game ?
customer are for use the product
actualy TA 152 performance at high alt is BIG CRAP cant dive cant climb pony can folow like just at 15 k it make me laugh
and who try to acuze me on whine go to %$#^&&#^%#* somewhere !
damit for 2 years paying for play and geting more and more frustrated
seems the new trend comin there just liek bush junior ar even in AH USA dream rule the world ?
seriosly sometime is it just RIDICULOS what hapaning
u can bane me but i will ask for oficial leter then
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I like the Ta152. I think it is priced too high, but I has really nice handling. Its always gotten me home.
Today I got away from a Typhoon at 7,000ft after repeatedly trying to kill another Ta152, but was unable to do so using quick passes and unwilling to get low and slow.
Made it home with only 1/8th fuel in my FWD tank.
Oh yeah, I out ran a P-51D at about 15,000ft earlier in that flight after stealing his Lancaster.
[ 08-12-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]
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I engaged a B-17 at 25k with a Ta-152H. I kinda blew the first pass and decided to see how the high alt e retention was. I turned 270 degrees without bleeding hardly any energy. I came around on a totally suprised buff driver and slaughtered him.
The plane is awesome above 20k.
I do believe its benefits are not enough to merit its perk cost in the MA, but it should still be perked. Somewhere around 10 perkies for it seems fair. It will give those luftwhiners something to look forward too a little more often ;)
AKDejaVu
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I agree.
Its not worth of 50 points.
Maybe Arado could keep its price but fighters which are intended to fight, not run away in low or high, should cost less points IMO.
Anyway its stupid to attack against a bomber with perkplane, Been there and done that.
B-17 smoked my Napier and after I landed and were brakeing in runway a P-51 dived from 10000ft and got rest of that Tempest. Not worth of risk to attack buffs.
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I have to disagree minus.
http://plaza.ufl.edu/shamblin/tabuffkill.ahf (http://plaza.ufl.edu/shamblin/tabuffkill.ahf)
Notice how I made a frontal pass on buffs at about 27k, turned around, and still had enough energy to carry me above and ahead of them for anither pass. Then a higher P-51 engaged me and I dove away easily. Even when I started a climb he couldnt get close.
No other plane in AH can perform like that at high altitude.
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crap so try to vertical moves at 30 k TRY it
i give $#@%^$#@^ all about Lw stuf if they corect modeled after other crap is anything just not corect b 17 at 35 k pony who turn beter keep E beter from Ta152 at this alt
ta152 compres even on slight dive the IAS and TAS diference are strange on it
and on all terain planes handle diferently are they depend on fuel multiplicator and diferent terain are use soemthing EXTRA thta afect plane handling ?
the buger tracers on planes maybe some 1 can quake with them but on Lw guns i can see SHYT where is the balistic limit
just like niki wonder if any 1 noticed how the manual fuel selection work on niki
bugg in it !
i em DEAD LW no more reason to play LW here be hapy
:mad:
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Only flew the 152 once minus, but I think it is fine as is.
Intercepted a large rook B17/P51/Fester formation. Verticals at 31K were impressive, she held E just fine as far as I could tell. TAS in the dives was in the 500-550 range, no lockup/compression, which I really liked. I wasn't worried about the escorts at all.
What got me was the buff guns on that sortie...actually, I shot the bellybutton off a B17 and then hit it when I didn't break upwards in time. Zig got kill credit.
Bottom line is this: If ya don't like it, don't waste yer perk points on it. I got perkies out the wazoo, and I've only flown perk fighters 3 times since they've been out. Why? Because none of them interest me in the least.
Right now you are frustrated........calm down, think about it, get back in the game. I've been where ya are right now......."my" plane doesn't perform the way the pilots who flew her say she could, and I get ticked about that at times. You just have to learn to live with it the way it is, or fly something else. Just my $.02...........
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I feel your pain. I did NOT have sex with that plane, the Ta-152! I did in fact have an inappropriate relationship with the Ta-152. I feel right at home here in Harlem.
Seriously, you must have many, many sorties in the T1-152 to fully appreciate its capability. A few sorties cant give you enough perspective.
I found the Ta-152 to be a delight to fly.
I didnt do to well in it for combat but that was my fault.
Y
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Minus,
When I flew it today I was entering trans-sonic effect and I never compressed to the point of no return. My Ta152 did let out some creak noises that I'd never heard before, but it held together. I did throttle back when I hit the trans-sonic stuff, and after hitting it a couple of times I went into dives without much, if any, throttle.
I agree with Yeager, the Ta152H-1 is a sweet kite. It handles beautifuly and if it weren't perked it would be my Luftwaffe ride of choice.
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Will have to both disagree and agree with Minus on this on.
First, the TA152 handels beutifully, it can outdive P51's when co alt, it can outturn most other E fighters, even LA7's. It can, with WEP outclimb many of them and its WEP lasts for 10 minutes like all LW kites, takes longer to Reload though. It's E retation seams great (although a pesky spit with less E once caught me, cut my zoom). The Spin is nasty when ya stall it.
Another neat thing is that it has got more internal fuel then a P51 (wich has got the most in the game after the TA) and it can fly longer on the same amount of fuel.
However, at 30k and above it doesn't performe like the numbers we all have in books etc, it should have a top speed of around 470Mph at around 40k (official numbers are 472 and 41).
The GM1 Power Boost in the Jumo engine of the TA152 seams to be slightly underpowered from what it really was, and it doesn't give away the right "speed per alt". The climb rate up high can be challanged by the P38, not sure what other planes that can climb with it up there. Up high you easilly compress it in dives, not because bad high speed Handeling though, just because of DAMN GOOD acceleration, it hits 600Mph (compression) in a few seconds.
There are things with it that should be fixed, and that's the High alt handeling.
I allso agree on that it should be perked, for what it is really good at, intercepting Buffs at high alt, is allso one of the most dangerous things in the game, and constantly losing 50 points to a buff at 35k quickly gets old. 10 Perks seams to be a very good deal, allso lower the Temp to the 40-50 class.
The Perks planes should be limited, not unseen.
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What annoys me is that people fly this plane up high mostly.
Those of you that have tried it at lower altitudes will have noticed that although it's not the fastest plane around, it can still do some awesome stuff - including surprising T&B N1K dweebs :)
Overall a good plane that's *great* at altitude. I think however that the current perk value is too high.
Another factor is the Instant target Fixation kit that comes with it - everyone locks up on the lone low TA-152. That factor alone bugs me and makes the A5 more effectve for me.
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Originally posted by Karnak:
I like the Ta152. I think it is priced too high, but I has really nice handling. Its always gotten me home.
Today I got away from a Typhoon at 7,000ft after repeatedly trying to kill another Ta152, but was unable to do so using quick passes and unwilling to get low and slow.
Made it home with only 1/8th fuel in my FWD tank.
Oh yeah, I out ran a P-51D at about 15,000ft earlier in that flight after stealing his Lancaster.
[ 08-12-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]
Btw there was no real risk with this tiffy ... the only player I can kill currently is ... me :(
[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: straffo ]
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minus, the main problems I've noticed with 152 are as follows:
1 - Crystal plane. It breakes over'n over.
2 - Far from excellent performance at 30k.
3 - Awful stall behaviour. The hardest plane to get out a stall I've seen in AH.
4 - THE MAIN PROBLEM: It has 151/20 toy-guns.
Only with the fourth point Ta152 should no be perked, or costs much less than a HogC, perhaps 3 perks.
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minus/mandoble, I would like to know which planes in AH outperform the Ta152 at 30k, in your opinion.
btw, have you been flying it with 100% fuel? If so, thats your problem. Its range on internal fuel is greater than a P-51.
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(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/charts/ta152hspeed.gif)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/charts/ta152hclimb.gif)
Whiny tards. What more do you want?
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funked go up yo 33 k and try a loping it go fast there so it will work and to be interesant the pony will due same thing
after ,,, tell me where are u in Ta152 and where is pony < bevare after compres u need 10 k to recovery !>
pony in you 6 !and u cant shake him
about craph ..... u know the socialist regim used graph to planify the future and every day
all that work in teory so straith speed is nothing exeptionel is it just a straith flying level speed
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Originally posted by funkedup:
Whiny tards. What more do you want?
I want:
The speed it is missing over 30K.
Decent wings who stay attached after a 5G pullout.
And an engine wich can stand more than one ping without collapsing :)
Thanks for asking :)
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Funked you bloody socialist!
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I think we need more RAF aircraft.
I think we definately need more VVS aircraft.
I think we most definately need more Italian aircraft
I think we most, most definately need more Japanese aircraft.
Cobra
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If you guys are saying the charts are wrong, it's a pretty easy thing to prove, and HTC (as they have in the past) will fix it if you prove it.
But if the charts are right, and Ta 152 has 50 mph and 500 fpm advantage over the P-51D at 33k, then I don't see what the problem is.
[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Originally posted by funkedup:
But if the charts are right, and Ta 152 has 50 mph and 500 fpm advantage over the P-51D at 33k, then I don't see what the problem is.
Problem is that the Ta152H1 had a speed of 472mph at 41000 feet, not around 450mph at 41000 feet, like those charts show. So the charts are not right <grin>.
If the Ta152H1 is 50mph faster than P51D at 33K, I am glad it is that way. You know, LW planes O\/\/N and K1CK$ 4RS3...and all that stuff ;)
But if the real one did 60mph more than the P51D at that same altitude, then I hope you'll understand that I'd want those 10mph there and not mission on the voids of the outer space.
BTW I agree with you, Cobra :).
[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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right at level flying !
apropo are u in promenade at 33 k or on fight ???
becose even if it have the speed Ta152 is not capable fight at this alt !! how told before instant compresion and it not hold beter E like pony if you use level turn pony can cut your turn easyly and no question to atack a b17 at level flat turning !!!!!
or other WARIANT posible!!!!
i can admit 190a8 and other like 109 series are corect FM modeled < HOPS uber MG ON IT !!! >
typhon JUG HOG even SPIT < curios the spit handle at high alt jsut like some special SPIT 9 strato prototypes maybe 12 build ? >
but seems many plane are just have something up what exactly dont know ,, just maybe a bugs
< a bug with nuke power ;) >
if they are corect then other side are wrong ?
in WW2 the pilots of diferent war adverses are fighted for each fett of alt to get the best of the optimal performance
example tempest DOnt fight never above 15k <oficialy> or more in real fact
in aH we have tu much universal MIRACLE birds and i think is it not corect !!!!!
buff made for eGG drop not for edge turning !
low alt atack plane fly low high alt planes fly high is it on you to continue
even modern warfare dont find the compromise betven abrams M1a2 and X wings