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Title: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: MjTalon on August 23, 2008, 11:26:20 PM
I'm just curious, although the Ju88 is vastly weak in the defensive gun armament, has anyone considered making a KG Luftwaffe squadron? It would be the first Luftwaffe dedicated bomber squadron and I'm pretty sure that it would play a very important role in the AvA, FSO, And MA along with the Luftwaffe only squadrons currently in AH.


Thoughts?
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: Bruv119 on August 24, 2008, 12:44:05 AM
please do talon.

Just PM me the base the missions are rolling from and i'll give you the historical realism of flying a German bomber in WW2   :t.

Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: MjTalon on August 24, 2008, 01:34:56 AM
well you never know, it might actually happen, and i might just end up as the Kampfgeshwaderkommandore :devil!

But seriously, anyone else think that it's time for a German Bomber squadron?
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: Anaxogoras on August 24, 2008, 08:35:58 AM
Of course it's time for a KG squadron, but we'll need a more capable German bomber first, e.g. Do-217, Ju-188, or He-177.  Very few try to fly 1940 fighters in the lwma; why try the same with bombers?
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: Lusche on August 24, 2008, 08:39:47 AM
But seriously, anyone else think that it's time for a German Bomber squadron?

Not before we get a more survivable mid-/late war bomber.

Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: fudgums on August 24, 2008, 08:40:44 AM
I believe theres a AvA axis bomber squad
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: Anaxogoras on August 24, 2008, 08:45:41 AM
I believe theres a AvA axis bomber squad
No, they are a ground attack squad.  SG2 Immelman, I believe.
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: macleod01 on August 24, 2008, 09:10:42 AM
MJ, Ive started flying the 109E a bit so if you need a bit of cover then count me in. I fly with 71 sqaudron and im sure a few may be willing to give a bit of cover
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: MjTalon on August 24, 2008, 10:01:30 AM
It could be done with ju88s although if they ever add the HE111 we might start to see some axis bomber squadrons appear. I've had the idea in the back of my mind but it isn't too many pilot's who would be in a German  bomber squadron atm without the he111, do 17, He 177, etc.

Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: Anaxogoras on August 24, 2008, 10:06:42 AM
It could be done with ju88s although if they ever add the HE111 we might start to see some axis bomber squadrons appear. I've had the idea in the back of my mind but it isn't too many pilot's who would be in a German  bomber squadron atm without the he111, do 17, He 177, etc.


The He-111 is not going to help; it's a worse bomber than the Ju-88 we have now.
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: MjTalon on August 24, 2008, 10:12:43 AM
The He-111 is not going to help; it's a worse bomber than the Ju-88 we have now.

Ability to carry 8x250kg bombs upright in it's bombbay. Bigger payload than the ju88? and better armament? I just finished reading about the He-111A-5 before i left my academy.
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: A8TOOL on August 24, 2008, 10:22:07 AM
I like the plane and use it for killing cv's and towns. The guns are weak but i get plenty of kills defending with them. Some guy even said I was cheating once and was sending the film to HT. Guess he had never been killed by one yet. Those little bombs aren't so bad either. If i have time I'll take most of a town with a set of them and if not I'll scatter those little buggers all over making it real easy for one of my squad mates to gun any buildings that are left over.
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: Anaxogoras on August 24, 2008, 10:24:30 AM
Ability to carry 8x250kg bombs upright in it's bombbay. Bigger payload than the ju88? and better armament? I just finished reading about the He-111A-5 before i left my academy.

8x250kg is only 2000kg.  Up to 2500kg could be carried using the external racks.  The Ju88 carries 3000kg, though admittedly 2/3 of that is external.  The defensive armament is marginally better on the He-111, but is still mostly comprised of 7.7mm weapons.  Lastly, the He-111 is significantly slower than the Ju-88.

Are you sure you mean the A-5?
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: MjTalon on August 24, 2008, 10:27:11 AM
8x250kg is only 2000kg.  Up to 2500kg could be carried using the external racks.  The Ju88 carries 3000kg, though admittedly 2/3 of that is external.  The defensive armament is marginally better on the He-111, but is still mostly comprised of 7.7mm weapons.  Lastly, the He-111 is significantly slower than the Ju-88.

Are you sure you mean the A-5?


Could possibly be wrong, I'm going to purchase those books my captain allowed me to use while i was on campus.  Anyhow may i ask how slow was the He111 compaired to the 88?
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: Anaxogoras on August 24, 2008, 10:33:35 AM
That depends on the exact variants, but in AH  you'd likely see a ~40mph TAS difference.
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: Motherland on August 24, 2008, 01:18:27 PM
Considering all LW fighters are significantly faster than the 88 anyway, I think that the 111's defensive armament would make it more survivable.
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: wojo71 on August 25, 2008, 12:00:47 AM
Find a couple  of people and start one in the AVA .  Its a little easier in the AVA because of the plane sets. We " SG2 " flew some escorted ju-88 missions and they were a lot of fun , some of the most fun I might add. :salute

LTARwojo
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: mbailey on August 25, 2008, 05:35:57 PM
I,ll join u Talen if u start an axis squad in the AVA. Sounds like great fun.    :aok

 Im not familiar with the AVA but have read real good things about it.

I think im right in saying that it wont effect me in the MA, as far as having to withdrawl from my current squad. Can someone clarify this?
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: wojo71 on August 25, 2008, 06:45:14 PM
Will not effect  your M.A. Squad membership.  In the M.A. I'm with LTAR in the AvA its SG2.  :salute
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: Whitten on August 25, 2008, 06:59:58 PM
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I believe theres a AvA axis bomber squad
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No, they are a ground attack squad.  SG2 Immelman, I believe.

Just for clarification II./SG.2 "Immelmann" technically is an attack squadron, but it is more or less a hybrid between a bomber squadron and an attack squadron; basically this squadron flies a well rounded variety of air-to-ground missions which includes level bombing missions in the Ju-88.

And Again this is an AvA only squadron, so as Wojo said, you can join SG.2 or any other AvA squad for that matter, and it won't affect your MA squad.

Btw, SG.2 is recruiting if you'd like to join, just look us up in the squadrons section of the bulletin board.
Title: Re: KG Bomber squadrons?
Post by: fudgums on August 25, 2008, 07:04:08 PM
back in BoA...i flew escort for a JU88 mission suppa fun...but i was the only escort to like 5 sets  :D