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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Professor Fate on October 16, 2001, 03:23:00 PM
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Look I was getting pretty good at low and level bombing with this craft at 400 feet I was at times able drop 2 50kg's right down the hatch of a panzer and kill it. Even shallow dives from low alt 3-5k were possible sometimes I got too close and was killed by my own bomb blast, price of doing business I guess. But since 1.08 bombs must now travel 1000 feet in order to detonate unfortunately this requirement has removed a method of delivery from game play.
[ 10-16-2001: Message edited by: Professor Fate ]
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I have to ask. Was the 1000' of travel a real setting on the fuse during combat or is this just a method to stop the AH car bombers?
(who btw can't drive their buffs over to the maproom as easily now :D)
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I've got a book where a Fw 190F-8 pilot describes bombing from treetop height with a delay fuze.
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dang I was pissed like prof fate i can almost time a level drop with the 50s and get kills. Pts definately and had a good record with gvs doing it that way. I could drop 2 50s at 300 agl <edited> (250 was lowest safe drop alt) and kill.
The other day 2 pnzrs were ib a45 and i came in lo fast dropped 2 nothing no explosion crater nada. Did it agin nothing. I'm thinking we have a cheater here. I grab to 3 k come round with my 500kg and line up good but i accidentally click over to cannon. So I strafe him black smoke pours out anmd hes dead in his tracks. So hes not a cheater.
I think maybe a bomb bug so I grab again to drop my 500kg to 5k. As I come around I see another Pnzr within 50ft of the 1 I smoked. I put my 500 right between and get 2 kills. No bomb bug. :)
I'm 10 and 1 this tour in the 190f8 its one of my favorite planes. I died this mornig after dropping ord on a town and lost an elevator. Cobra ran me down in a yak.
However I'm certain had the 1 ping eng bug been in a affect it would have knocked the eng out.
[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Wotan ]
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My understanding was the distance needed to travel before detonation was to prevent carbombing.
I've read The Last Year of the Luftwaffe and it describes some very low alt bomb runs by 190's with 2 second delayed fuzes so they could have enough time to clear the blast radius.
Wotan you got to watch out for that Cobra character he's a sneaky one. :)
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Its not that all bombs must be dropped from 1000ft, they just must travel 1000ft from AC to the gound before they will detonate. Someone showed an example somewhere... I think 1000ft is fine for the larger ordnance.. but 50kg eggs? comeone lets reduce it to 500ft. Think about it, even 500ft rules out any sort of carbombing.
SKurj
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how about a .dot command to set min alt between 250 and say 1500 ft.
.ord 300
ordinance set to detonate at 300 feet (250-1500)[\i]
and a .dot command
.det 2.5
ordinance set to detonate at 2.5 sec (range 1-3 sec)[\i]
Anyway give more ord options for the 190f8......... :)
[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Wotan ]
[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Wotan ]
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Yeah, sounds like a patch might be in order here.....100 feet would have been enough to stop the "carbombers"
J_A_B
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bombs with delays to allow for skip bombing would be pretty damn cool.
just imagine the anti-shipping roles :) i'm still waitin for that to get into the strategic part of AH. (sea convoys!)
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detonation range of 0 to 4 seconds dot command would be great.
and the 1000 foot bomb travel is WAYYYYY TO MUCH
cut it down to 100 feet
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Edit Again (Corrected some of the speed numbers in the examples below using 1000' in the horizontal direction as the arming requirement)
As has been pointed out in previous posts, the bomb needs to travel 1000' before arming. This doesn't mean 1000 vertical feet, unless you are standing still. It is dependent on several factors: the angle, altitude (agl), and speed upon release of the bomb.
To take the simple case, and give some numbers for previously mentioned situations, I'll refer to two previous descriptions of bombing runs, making the assumption of level terrain and negligible or nonexistant drag modeling on bombs.
The first case is level bombing at 400'. In order to satisfy the 1000' arming distance requirement, all you need to be doing is flying at least 137mph.
In the second case, level bombing at 300', you will need to be traveling at least 158mph.
Both of these cases seem very easy to achieve, and I dont see any problem with why the 1000' restriction should be hindering you at all.
Now, the more interesting situation is the one in which you are diving in on your bombing run. I'll do some number crunching on various dive angle/speed combinations to find out what kind of minimum release altitudes are needed for various cases.
With this information, we might be able to make a better decision as to how much of a hinderance the 1000' arming requirement is, or isn't.
[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Pinner ]
[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: Pinner ]
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sounds good pinner but my bombs didn't detonate at about 300-400 feet and i know i was over 200mph. Maybe with the terrain other then flat I got as lo as 200.
Dunno
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Originally posted by Wotan:
sounds good pinner but my bombs didn't detonate at about 300-400 feet and i know i was over 200mph. Maybe with the terrain other then flat I got as lo as 200.
Dunno
This is making me think more about how HT may be calculating the 1000' distance. I guess there are three ways it could be done.
1. Drop 1000' vertical feet, not dependent on horizontal displacement. I know this isn't the case because I did some offline testing at about 300' agl.
2. Travel 1000' in a horizontal displacement only. It may be done this way, but if it is, it could cause problems with hi dive angle drops close to the ground.
3. 1000' following the arc of the projectile (bomb).
[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: Pinner ]
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how about a .dot command to set min alt between 250 and say 1500 ft.
.ord 300
ordinance set to detonate at 300 feet (250-1500)[\i]
and a .dot command
.det 2.5
ordinance set to detonate at 2.5 sec (range 1-3 sec)
Anyway give more ord options for the 190f8.........
GREAT IDEA!!
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Ground level probably wasn't sea level where you were at the time. So you may only have been 200 ft AGL like you said. :)
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1000ft = too much
SKurj
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Geeez...
No wonder Im not hitting anything since the 1.08 Release... I almost always drop around 250 ft when divebombing...
Please put it back...
With my slow puter... Ground attack is about the only option I have since the new release...
BOOT