Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: sethipus on August 26, 2008, 12:53:12 AM
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We have the Hurricane IID's class S 40mm tank busting gun in the game already. We've had people advocating the inclusion of the G model Stukas with their BK-37 guns, and the IL-2 model with the 37mm Nudelman gun.
I know some of you guys have sources with all the relevent details about these guns and the projectiles used against tanks. Can someone who knows this stuff compare these three guns and give us technical details? I mean in terms of things like muzzle velocities and round weights, penetration capability of armor, etc. Which of these were most effective?
Wikipedia has some data on the BK-37, and I found a page with some info on the class S, but I'm not sure how accurate it was, and didn't have anything about how they compared with each other in effectiveness. The BK-37 appeared, by this data, to have a significantly higher-velocity round, and since the Germans were using tungsten-core rounds till late in the war in these guns, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the BK-37 turned out to be the most effective of these guns. I have no idea how it would compare to the Nudelman.
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Hurri can outright kill any tank in game. The IL2 cannot. That's all you need be concerned with in-game.
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Tony Williams can:
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/tankbusters.htm
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Tony Williams can:
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/tankbusters.htm
Thanks a many for posting that link. That sheds a lot of light on the abilities of the air to ground cannons we have in the game. Now the questions begs: Has HTC modeled them correctly? ;)
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Hurri can outright kill any tank in game. The IL2 cannot. That's all you need be concerned with in-game.
thats not true. ive hit tanks multiple times with the hurri mk2, the best i can do is knock out a turret or track him.
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30-45deg dive from the rear, aim for the engine compartment/rear deck, fire at 200yd, boom! :rock
ps I want a Molins to play with ;)
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Our Il-2 has a 27 mm gun right?
27 vs 40, 40 is better....
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I use the Yak-9T for pounding ground vehicles from time to time. Last night, while defending a particular base, I probably got around a dozen kills against M3s, Ostwinds, Wirbelwinds, and Panzers. The wirbels were suicide to dive on but if you could crack the turret then you could obviously fire at will until they died. The Ostwinds were easier to hit the turret before they hit me, so I got several Ostwind kills. I also 1-shot a T34 that was milking one of our strats. I came at it from essentially straight down (I'd climbed out assuming a plane was milking it, turned out to be the T34). Killing the T34 with a single 37mm round fired was very satisfying.
I like using the Yak for cracking tanks, because it's a bit of a challenge so it's fun to do. It's also more "sporting" than just bombing everything. I like using the Hurri 2D as well. I find it easier to get hits with the Hurri 2D for some reason. I don't know why, I think it might be that I approach too fast in the Yak, and it would be easier to hit with if I throttled back some.
I asked for this comparison because I was curious how things would be compared to now if we got one of the JU-87G models in the game. Thanks for the link to Tony's comparison page. It sounds to me like the JU-87G would be more effective than either the Hurricane or the Yak, due to the higher velocity of the round, and the tungsten core ammo. I hope we get it sometime. It also looks like it would be more effective than what we have now on tanks like the Sherman and Tiger.
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thats not true. ive hit tanks multiple times with the hurri mk2, the best i can do is knock out a turret or track him.
Just because you can't do it (yet) it doesn't mean it isn't doable at all ;)
The only tank quite difficult to kill for the Hurri D is the T34. Panzers are easy, Shermans and Tigers a tad stronger. If you want an insta kill on Tiger without, try to hit driver's compartment top at >70°, but the old "first engine then turret" method is much easier.
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Also, do you guys have a different firing method for these planes? I find I tend to single-shoot the Hurricane IID guns and wait to see if anything happens before taking another shot, but with the Yak if I think I've got a good aim I'll press my cannon button and squeeze off 4 or 5 rounds in a row. That seems to give me the greatest chance of breaking something important on the tank, or killing it, in one pass.
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Also, do you guys have a different firing method for these planes?
Most of the time I just fire a single round (per gun), because I'm trying to shoot as late as possible to increase penetration. After several runs, when my aim has "settled", I may shoot 2 salvos instead of one
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Lusche is correct, valdals, the only tank i have any difficulty destroying is the t34. At times I've had round after round penetrate (i take it if there's an explosion the round penetrated, correct?) but to no avail.
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Lusche is correct, valdals, the only tank i have any difficulty destroying is the t34. At times I've had round after round penetrate (i take it if there's an explosion the round penetrated, correct?) but to no avail.
You have to come down almost vertical.
Here is a very short clip that shows you how to bust a T34's engine in a Hurricane IID: http://www.mediafire.com/?jaaa6aaaina
I shoot at approx. 75°, 300yd distance
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thats not true. ive hit tanks multiple times with the hurri mk2, the best i can do is knock out a turret or track him.
Do you ever tire of being wrong?
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With all due respect, Bronk, you've posted two completetly meaningless posts that contributed no substance whatsoever to the topic at hand. Would you like to contribute something, or are you just being a boor?
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Hurri can outright kill any tank in game. The IL2 cannot. That's all you need be concerned with in-game.
What about the B-25H? ;)
IL-2 with its current 23mm guns can outright kill any tank except the Tiger. I have had very little luck against the T-34, but it should be theoretically possible for a cartoon pilot who posesses a little skill (which excludes me).
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There's some Sturmovik jock "out there" who clearly has it in for me.
Haven't played for a while, but whenever I used to encounter him, it was his IL-2 diving straight down, ping-ping-pingy my turret's dead.
Not exactly going to roll the rest of the way to devastate the town with my mighty MG 34...
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With all due respect, Bronk, you've posted two completetly meaningless posts that contributed no substance whatsoever to the topic at hand. Would you like to contribute something, or are you just being a boor?
Lusche has already covered the hows and wherefores. However since you need hand holding , I'll reiterate for you. Steep dive angle, good shot shot placement and lots of practice.
Tigers= drivers compartment for outright possible oneshot kill . Or top of engine compartment to disable and make life easier.
panzer= Much the same only easier.
Sherman= just behind turret
T-34 = just about the same as Sherman
Ohh I have convergence set to 275 and start firing at 400 on the ticker. Usually 2 trigger pulls per run.
Is that enough contribution or do you require film?
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What about the B-25H? ;)
B-25H you say? That is unpossible. :noid :aok
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Is that enough contribution or do you require film?
I wouldn't mind seeing some film. I'd like to learn from it.
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Btw, I've killed plenty of tanks in every aircraft in the game that's remotely intended to do that. I don't need handholding. I was interested in conversation, and especially, as in the OP, with regards to how the JU-87G would fare. I think it would be very effective indeed.
What a dork you are Bronk.
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Btw, I've killed plenty of tanks in every aircraft in the game that's remotely intended to do that. I don't need handholding. I was interested in conversation, and especially, as in the OP, with regards to how the JU-87G would fare. I think it would be very effective indeed.
What a dork you are Bronk.
Since you wish to continue with the name calling.
If you weren't being a condescending arse I wouldn't have posted the way I did.
Now on to the 87g and the IL2-3. You would be pretty much guaranteed a kill from almost any angle except possibly a tiger. However, the 87g only has 5 or 6 rounds per gun. So I think that would offset it's need to perk it in game. I can't remember the IL2-3 cannon load out offhand. I think it was substantially more than the 87g and might need a light perking to balance out it's use in game.
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I wouldn't mind seeing some film. I'd like to learn from it.
A 1.5 MB zip file with more Hurri IID kills including Tiger: http://www.mediafire.com/?he6lortq1zn
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A 1.5 MB zip file with more Hurri IID kills including Tiger: http://www.mediafire.com/?he6lortq1zn
Thanks Snailman!
You wouldn't have any 262 films bouncing around on your hard drive would you? My fighter perkies were building up (I never fly perked planes), so I have been messing around with the 262 a bit lately. I'm interested to see how somebody with more experience handles the plane. :salute