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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wotan on October 18, 2001, 09:18:00 PM
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piece o'shite colision model roadkille my fe my arse fek ...................
Seriously
I always die. I know its what your fe sees that matters. But I have never had anyone die from coliding with me. Never
Situation
I was at a field in a 190f8 I jaboed the vh got a kill extended grabbed returned bounced a mossie extended grabbed came in again saw trimmer draggin a mossie, dove in on mossie he saw me and tried to get ho lined up. I went vert and we repeated this a few times. I ended up lo with little e but the mossie augered (Skurj).
A 190 was coming in fast I was too lo to barrel roll with the trees we have now so i break hard left roll under my bottom wing (left) and pull bac right. All the time watching the 190 I have centered in my canopy. One more turn hes strugglin to keep from overshot. I see him try for a snapshot his aim is way off.
Then I check him again and hes pullin hard to get round. I watch him fly through my canopy. Now no biggie.
But he tells me hes well under me.
Now he cant shot me because in his fe he is lo and cant get his nose on me. his tracers are going under me but at merge I'm ded. I see him appear to turn right into me.
Biggest gripe I have about this game and I know nothing can be done but fediddleing once let me be the one who survives.
Anyway I'm whining
Thank you much
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I wonder if there is any way to make collisions not model damage, but rather to destroy both aircraft instead. I have been in a number of collisions where I have been damaged beyond flying ability and the other plane takes no damage. Both planes should just blow up so the connection of either plane makes no difference.
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Don't worry Wotan, you're not the only one. I have NEVER seen another plane die from a collision with me, but I have died many a fiery death from it. I don't know what is so hard about modeling an equitable damage model. It's not like we're going to run around purposely ramming each other.
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Originally posted by Wotan:
piece o'shite colision model roadkille my fe my arse fek ...................
Seriously
I always die. I know its what your fe sees that matters. But I have never had anyone die from coliding with me. Never
Situation
I was at a field in a 190f8 I jaboed the vh got a kill extended grabbed returned bounced a mossie extended grabbed came in again saw trimmer draggin a mossie, dove in on mossie he saw me and tried to get ho lined up. I went vert and we repeated this a few times. I ended up lo with little e but the mossie augered (Skurj).
A 190 was coming in fast I was too lo to barrel roll with the trees we have now so i break hard left roll under my bottom wing (left) and pull bac right. All the time watching the 190 I have centered in my canopy. One more turn hes strugglin to keep from overshot. I see him try for a snapshot his aim is way off.
Then I check him again and hes pullin hard to get round. I watch him fly through my canopy. Now no biggie.
But he tells me hes well under me.
Now he cant shot me because in his fe he is lo and cant get his nose on me. his tracers are going under me but at merge I'm ded. I see him appear to turn right into me.
Biggest gripe I have about this game and I know nothing can be done but fediddleing once let me be the one who survives.
Anyway I'm whining
Thank you much
curious, do you ahve a high bandwidth connection, or a real solid, steady connection (low ping times)?
I have the same prob, when i get close and personal in a dogfighht, I ALWAYs lose a collision. I wonder if its whoever has the best connection that gets it, or vice versa.
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dsl ping 50 main route 60-70 alt always solid except when new releases come out.............
I had heard numerous things from:
better ping gets the damage
higher speed
if you can look away
I am being dead honest I dont know of any time a colision "incident" in which I have not been killed.
That doesn't mean on my fe I haven't shot someone and the other guy saw me colide but I have never recieved a complaint as to such.
[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: Wotan ]
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I have a cable connection and my latency is usually less than 60.
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Check this post on the topic
Collision Model Inquiry (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=011759)
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How do you know that the other guy never dies in a collision?
You make a pass at a guy and get some hits (HO, 2-circle, high closuer, etc.).
You then fly by and see his wrecked plane fall apart or explode.
You assume that you shot him down, but from his FE, he collided and died.
It may happen more often than you think.
A collision on his FE only will make no sounds on your FE.
eskimo
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Originally posted by Wotan:
piece o'shite colision model roadkille my fe my arse fek ...................
It seems to me that unless collisions are perfectly on both players 12 then most often only one of the players will see the collision on their FE.
Hence the other guy will nearly always not experience the collision
To test this find a "freindly" enemy and sit him on the other end of de acked field from you and slowly taxi the planes into each other both from the 12 position.
Now try it with one taxi'ing faster than another 12 on 6.
Now try this at a higher taxi speed but this time at 90 deg with one aiming to clip the tail of the other.
It would be interesting to note if the "chasing" AC crashes out before the "chased" AC's FE puts them both in the same place.... In which case mutual assured destruction would be as rare as we may believe.
Collision (like beauty) could only ever be in the eye of the beholder.......
Tilt
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because I've been here since tour 3 at some point someone with out a doudt would have pointed out the fact that I hit them. Plus I always track the nme through merge.
I have never seen a plane mysteriously rip apart as I blow by.
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Why don't you break off earlier then?
Seems pretty simple to me, don't run into them!
-SW
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um SW you read the situation I decribed in my first post?
Wasn't a matter of getting out of the way.
However its a moot point I went back and read Aknimitz's post that apar linked and I guess it makes sense.........
I even posted in that thread but never went back to read the whole thing. :eek:
So just view this post as a lwhine or whatever it is lwhiner whiner crew decides it is :)
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I was flying a 190A5 (I have a 56K dial-up conn, but it's a pretty good one) and I was going HO with another plane. I fired a few shots, then pulled up at about 400yds.
I was going about 250MPH, next thing I know... half my tail is gone because his plane ran through me (heard no pings and he was a .50cal armed plane)..
Basically, my FE saw him where he was but his FE didn't see me where I was.
It sucks, but oh well.
-SW
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In a collision both planes should suffer the damage and fate of the impact. Hardly realistic, or fair, for one to be killed and the other to fly away unscathed. Either the collision happened or it didn't. There are NO half ways on this fir real aircraft.
Mav
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I don't know why you'd hear about it when someone died from a collision with you, I've died from them countless times but never have been struck with the desire to complain about the fact I was hurt by running into another plane.
Should I be complaining in those situations?
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Guys the guy who dies is THE GUY WHO CRASHES INTO ANOTHER PLANE ON HIS FE. That's it. Nothing to do with connections or whatever. If you don't want to die in collisions, DON'T CRASH INTO OTHER PLANES.
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRGH!!!!
:mad:
:D
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umm fatty people complain about everything .........
you can tell by this thread..........
oops I started this thread :eek:
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Hey Wotan et all
Same complaint here. The other night I was driving the Lancaster, trying to find Lazs so I could ruin his fun <JEST!>.
Anyways, I had a P-51 dive down on me, almost didn't see him. Jumped into the tail gunner spot just in time to see him fire and dive into my aircraft. Instantly I was back in the tower and those who saw the thing happen said the guy had no damage was still up and flying around.
Wouldn't ramming something large like a Lancaster produce some damage on a P-51?
Same as you, my pings were in the 60s to 70s and the netstatus was flat. How can I be dead, and the rammer is not?
The whole head-on/ramming thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I understand the theory and science behind it. But if one side detects collision, shouldnt the server pass that out to both parties?
I feel your pain, its pretty much how I lost a 262 the other night too.
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FYI, I have no complaint about how it's modelled.
I was offering up an example that not just fast high speed conns get the toejam end of the stick with regards to collisions.
I think the current implementation is best. I don't want to die to a collision because the other guy has a toejamty connection and I can't avoid him on his FE.
-SW
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Originally posted by LePaul:
But if one side detects collision, shouldnt the server pass that out to both parties?.
Would we then all be whining about ...............
<goober1> "I quit this funked up game! I have been just blowing up over and over when the other guy is no where near me! Happened six time last week! I am an extraodinarily skilled pilit and there is no way I collide with stuff. I take special care to stay alive and dork1 took me out last night when I should have been given the kill!"
<goober2> " I have had enuf of the pathetic suicide tactics in use by new comers now. This game has gone down hill and deep into the mine! These newbies just crash into my 262 and I loose my perkie points due to what some other idiot sees on his FE! Why should I be penalised by his bad connection"
<goober 3> "punt.............
etc etc etc
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After reading ht replies in the other thread I don't see any alternative that would improve upon the current model.
It sucks no doudt but somethings you just gotta accept.
This thread was a whine I dont do it much but here you go whine whine whine
[ 10-19-2001: Message edited by: Wotan ]
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It's been quite a while, but I do recall one incident that really shook me up about collisions.
I was flying at 15k in a B17. Along comes an F4U with a few thousand angels on me. He sets up for a belly run, but when I gave him a short spray he stayed nose low and went out in front of my nose by several hundred yards (his FE). On MY FE he came right up through my belly and I died (the 3-9 line turret thing did me in I guess). He never fired a shot, but still got the kill.
I hate collisions, too.
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Hitech always pulls the 'what if someone bounces you from 6 and collides you' card when talking about collision modeling..
HT means that somehow he tried to create the CM so that only the person whose fault the collision seems to be, dies..
Sure it would suck, but it's worse to collide and see the other person fly away. Especially if CM calculated the situation wrong and the player had nothing to do with causing the collision..
In real life planes did collide. Some even with purpose.. LW pilots were known to chop off vertical stabs from allied bombers if they ran out of ammo as the last resort.. Not to mention kamikaze pilots.
So I say revise the CM, make both planes receive the damage. (Only realistic approach also btw..)
That way both will go down, but at least everyone knows the situation was a tie.. Nobody gets the unfair advantage of the mishap.
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Hitech is right. Ive more than once came in hot on a con and smashed into them. If it wasnt for dieing in a collision it would make a bounce that much easier. Hold the trigger and fly right on through them.
If you dont like getting shocked, dont stick your finger in a light socket, if you dont like dieing in a collision, dont fly into another plane. Is simple really.
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again you all with these simplistic answers
"dont hit umm" is irrelevant to the situation I described in the opening post.
I'm in a tight scissor upon reverse (split second) I am hit by another pilot. He sees himself well under me. I see his tracers well away from me. When I go reverse I check hi 6 to see a prop headed at me. Too late for your simple "don't hit umm"
My only point was the other plane wasn't trying to hit me and in a situation like the one I described you would not expect to colide. Give the view in his fe hes well safe.
However I see no other alternative to the present cm.