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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jollyFE on August 27, 2008, 07:58:13 PM
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Why is it, whenever we get a new or updated acft, people start asking for the He-111. That thing will be totally outclassed in the LW arenas. Mabye it's its phallic shape that entices so many to ask for it. Thats all I can think of. There's plenty of other german/Russian/Japanes/Italian planes the deserve to be put in before that thing. EW/MW arenas mabye..but I'd rather have the 88.
So, here's my back...let the daggers start flyin.
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Battle of Britain
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Battle of Britain
sums it up right there
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The 111 maybe totally outclassed in the MW and LW arena's, but it is THE german Iconic bomber. Infact, I would venture to say that even the word Luftwaffe conjures up the 111. Maybe the 109, but I would say the 111 first. Battle of Britain scenarios can not be done properly without it, as at the moment the 88 is simply too fast. Hurris and Spits get 1 pass and thats it. The 111 was also used throughout the ENTIRE war, even if it was as a transport in 1945, but surely that gives another reason to be added. It can also carry troops and supplies! A true combination plane.
That concludes the summing up for the proposition, points of information welcome :D
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Because its the he-111. Period
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HE-111 was a major bomber besides the JU-88.
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I think we should remove the FM2/F4F, the P40s, Ju88, early model 109's and Spitfires, Boston III, P47D11/25, and whatnot. Cuz, yaknow, they're outclassed in the LW arenas.
People won't fly new a/c no matter what is added. They'll keep along with their B24's, B17's, Lancasters, La7's, P51D's, Spit 8/16's, and N1K2J's.
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Why?
I love flying the early stuff in LW, you reap good perkies in that kinda iron :D
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I think we should remove the FM2/F4F, the P40s, Ju88, early model 109's and Spitfires, Boston III, P47D11/25, and whatnot. Cuz, yaknow, they're outclassed in the LW arenas.
People won't fly new a/c no matter what is added. They'll keep along with their B24's, B17's, Lancasters, La7's, P51D's, Spit 8/16's, and N1K2J's.
sooo.. take out half the planes and put what in then?
i dont understand y u think that.. Ju88 is a good plane.. earlt spitfires are under raited and the P47 are great planes, i fly in them all the time, and always have fun, and lots of time, have great fights with N1k2, P51 and others.. its not the plane really.. its how you fly it, and a lot of people can fly those early models u mentioned really well..
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sarcasm anyone?
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sooo.. take out half the planes and put what in then?
i dont understand y u think that.. Ju88 is a good plane.. earlt spitfires are under raited and the P47 are great planes, i fly in them all the time, and always have fun, and lots of time, have great fights with N1k2, P51 and others.. its not the plane really.. its how you fly it, and a lot of people can fly those early models u mentioned really well..
hope you realize Motherland was being sarcastic
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sarcasm anyone?
My sarcasm detector just gave up the ghost on that one. :D
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Battle of Britain
SO Jolly gets it. If you have ever flown this scenario as allied you would understand better. Jump in a hurri/spit MkI and have a squad member jump in a Ju88 and try and catch him.
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moin
the He 111 version as v-1 rocket louncher would be great. so you can fire at targets at save distance. this wold be real cool and this he 111 version would have his place in the LW arena.
cu chris3
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Some are thinking about game play in the MA only.
Some of us are thinking of Scenarios and special events where aircraft of similar time period are matched.
He-111 is definately needed to fill a planeset during specific years of WWII.
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lol jolly, now that you mention it, all planes are slightly phalic. Instresting that you did bring it up though :D
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It's not just the Battle of Britain either. Any early war scenario is hampered by the lack of a slow early war bomber that the fighters of the time can easily catch. The He-111 could serve as a better substitute in early war scenarios to the various Japanese, British, French, Russian and Italian bombers than the too fast Boston or Ju 88.
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The HE-111 would be a great add to the planeset. Whether or not something is competitive in the LW MA is not an issue in adding new vehicles or planes. A lot of us fly what we want, when we want regardless if it is a total demon or a total dog. It is the fun and variety I am after, not being able to PWN anybody that comes near me. Enjoy the challenge of something different, and add the HE-111.
HTC-PLEASE??? :pray
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Why is it, whenever we get a new or updated acft, people start asking for the He-111. That thing will be totally outclassed in the LW arenas. Mabye it's its phallic shape that entices so many to ask for it. Thats all I can think of. There's plenty of other german/Russian/Japanes/Italian planes the deserve to be put in before that thing. EW/MW arenas mabye..but I'd rather have the 88.
So, here's my back...let the daggers start flyin.
Well, maybe all of us does not care about having the best most "competetive" ride all the time. Some just likes to have fun.
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It's not just the Battle of Britain either. Any early war scenario is hampered by the lack of a slow early war bomber that the fighters of the time can easily catch. The He-111 could serve as a better substitute in early war scenarios to the various Japanese, British, French, Russian and Italian bombers than the too fast Boston or Ju 88.
Agreed...
Also adding the early model B-17s would be something I'd like to see. The British flew C and D models pre-1942.
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The He111 was an important piece of German hardware throughout the war and deserves it's place here.
maybe we can have two new planes :pray
Yak3 uber fighter for the MA pwn all types
and the Heinkel for the historically minded and those who wanna fly different more challenging rides
it's in the HTC hands keep banging away boys
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Why is it, whenever we get a new or updated acft, people start asking for the He-111. That thing will be totally outclassed in the LW arenas. Mabye it's its phallic shape that entices so many to ask for it. Thats all I can think of. There's plenty of other german/Russian/Japanes/Italian planes the deserve to be put in before that thing. EW/MW arenas mabye..but I'd rather have the 88.
So, here's my back...let the daggers start flyin.
If anything, the Ju-88 has a much more phallic shape than the He-111...
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Nobody said you have to fly it!
Helm ...out
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Because its the he-111. Period
Yes I agree ! The HE-111 is a staple of history and is no more pathetic than the stuka,B25, val, boston, etc. and should be represented! Very suprised it isn't yet!
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The Axis bomber set is sadly lacking the He-111 would & should be the obvious first inclusion to get the bomber set up to par for the Axis.
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:DWE N3ED$ D4 HE-111!! :D
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THE OFFICAL I WANT THE HE-111 THREAD.
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Yeah thats what we need another bomber to be used like it was never intended or designed to be used, like dive-bombing ground vehicles and cv's like the lancstuka's and dive bombing B-24's yeah thats what we need. until HTC neuters the heavies in order to stop the divebombing on gv's and cv's and limits them to what they were built for then we dont need another bomber.
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I agree about lancstuka's but at the same time they are capable of carpet bombing GVs (just a sad individual who does so) and as for bombing CVs...most i see come in from 10k and bomb as intented.. the other lancstuka types are easy pray for a manned CV (just getting the ppl to man is the hard part..or better yet CAP over CV to stop 10k buffs AND lancstuka raids) but back to the topic, Id love the He-111. Maybe add the Zwiling ;) but id settle for any model He-111.
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GERMANS MAIN BOMBER!!11 OVER 7000 PRODUCED WITH COUNTLESS VARIANTS!!!1!!1
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Yeah thats what we need another bomber to be used like it was never intended or designed to be used, like dive-bombing ground vehicles and cv's like the lancstuka's and dive bombing B-24's yeah thats what we need. until HTC neuters the heavies in order to stop the divebombing on gv's and cv's and limits them to what they were built for then we dont need another bomber.
So will more people fly bombers just because we get the 111 in the game? NO
Will the "problem" with divebombing with bombers get any worse with the 111 in the game? NO
Will you be any more or less able to do what you have always done in the past with the 111 in the game? NO
Will alot of people be happy to finally get the 111? YES
Now what is your problem with getting the HE111? Just because you dont like it does not mean we dont need it.
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I still haven't seen a "good" reason why we need yet another bomber.
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In my opinion. I still haven't seen a "good" reason why we need yet another bomber.
Fixed
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I still haven't seen a "good" reason why we need yet another bomber.
Why is "good" in quotes? :confused:
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Why is "good" in quotes? :confused:
Anax he is entitled to his opinion. But judging by this thread his opinion is in the vast minority. I'll also never understand why a person wouldn't want any ac that flew in the numbers that the 111 did added to the game.
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It was a sincere question. Was he hinting at something else?
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If none of that former posts made sense to you, nothing will. If the 111 ever arrives, feel free to ignore it, it is your $15
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I still haven't seen a "good" reason why we need yet another bomber.
Um lets see, we need the 111 for historic battle reasons, its a fun bomber to fly, its the he-111, and just because you dont want it doesn't mean we can't have it. Just like alot of people hate the La-7, we should get rid of that too huh?
anymore reasons?
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There are 3 types of people in this world, People who can count, and people who can't.
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Some are thinking about game play in the MA only.
Some of us are thinking of Scenarios and special events where aircraft of similar time period are matched.
He-111 is definately needed to fill a planeset during specific years of WWII.
Hajo hit the nail on the head. There is a LOT more to Aces High then just the MA. FSO has had over 500 players show up on a Friday night. For those that enjoy events we look for aircraft that will fill gaps and add to events. MA is just the practice ground for special events.
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epic thats the 1st good reason I have seen. I am not trying to dictate what planes we do or don't get. My main point was that every time someone asks for a new plane, the thread almost always turns into the we want the 111 thread. Surely there is some other acft besides the 111 that folks want (besides the B-29 w/ nuke) that hardly ever gets asked for. How about some lesser represented countries, wasn't there a 3 engined Italian bomber that was pretty good? How about a Ju-52 for a troop hauler or mabye the Brewster Buffalo.
well thats just my 2 cents............$14.98 to go.
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Ah, we keep hijacking over the 111 because none of the requests for new aircraft are justified in comparison. It's equivalent to leaving out the B-24 or <insert ubiquitous American bomber here>.
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I still haven't seen a "good" reason why we need yet another bomber.
Because there is one german bomber, and 6-7 american bombers?
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You guys are missing the point.
The original post was protesting something that never happened.
WOW! I LOVE reality!
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Do17 , He111 , devonite , buffalo's , all are a part of a great scenario making.
In warbirds we currently have He111's AND do17's , very nice additions to our scenarios.
Warbirds : =save=
AH2 : gr8sh0t
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So will more people fly bombers just because we get the 111 in the game? NO
Will the "problem" with divebombing with bombers get any worse with the 111 in the game? NO
Will you be any more or less able to do what you have always done in the past with the 111 in the game? NO
Will alot of people be happy to finally get the 111? YES
Now what is your problem with getting the HE111? Just because you dont like it does not mean we dont need it.
You know you just can't argue with logic. :aok
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I still haven't seen a "good" reason why we need yet another bomber.
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