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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Jackal1 on August 28, 2008, 05:56:19 AM
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What has happened on this?
It`s been a little more than quiet the last few days.
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http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20089295&BRD=1672&PAG=461&dept_id=33380&rfi=6 (http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20089295&BRD=1672&PAG=461&dept_id=33380&rfi=6)
Born in the U.S.A.?
By: KEITH PHUCAS, Times Herald Staff
08/25/2008
PHILADELPHIA - A Lafayette Hill attorney filed a lawsuit in federal court Thursday challenging Sen. Barack Obama's claim to United States citizenship. The action seeks to remove the Democratic candidate from the November ballot.
To be eligible to serve as U.S. president, a person must be born in this country. According to Obama's birth certificate, which his campaign posted on its Internet site in June to quell rumors that he is foreign born, the Illinois senator was born in Hawaii on Aug. 6, 1961.
On Thursday, Philip Berg filed a temporary restraining order in federal court to bar Obama from running for president, claiming the Democratic candidate was actually born in Africa.
"We really don't believe he was born in Hawaii," Berg said. "We think he was born in Kenya."
The presidential candidate's father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya, according to Obama's campaign Web site.
Berg's suit claims the senator's grandmother, brother and sister, who live in Kenya, believe they were present during Obama's birth in the African country.
Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, grew up in Kansas, and his parents met at the University of Hawaii when Dunham was a student there, according to the Obama campaign.
Eventually, Obama's father returned to Kenya, and his son grew up in Hawaii with his mother and for a few years in Indonesia after Dunham married an Indonesian man, Lolo Soetoro. Also, Obama lived with his maternal grandparents in Hawaii.
"If he was born in Hawaii, and he was adopted in Indonesia by Lolo Soetoro, (Obama) would lose his citizenship," Berg said.
The Obama campaign has a special section on its Web site, "Fight the Smears," that debunks the birth certificate story and other reports that have circulated about him during the campaign.
"It's part of a smear campaign," said an Obama campaign volunteer who identified herself as Rachel. "There are just so many lies out there."
The lawsuit claims three "independent" document forensic experts performed extensive tests on the digitally-scanned image of Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth" posted on the campaign's site and found the document to be "a forgery."
Jerome Corsi, author of the book, "The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality," has also deemed the birth certificate phony, according to The Annenberg Political Fact Check, www.FactCheck.org.
The Annenberg Political Fact Check, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, aims to expose deception and confusion in U.S. politics.
Recently, FactCheck.org staffers "touched, examined and photographed" the original birth certificate kept at the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago and concluded the document is genuine.
"The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.," FactCheck.org staffers concluded.
Sean Smith, Obama's Pennsylvania communications director, was contacted Friday about the suit but declined comment.
The civil suit filed by Berg will be reviewed by the U.S. Federal Election Commission, according to Patty Hartman, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania.
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So what happens if the birth certificate is in fact found to be forged? Does Obama get kicked from the Presidential race? Does he face charges of some sort?
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I don`t know about the charges, but he would not be eligible for POTUS .
I`m just curious about what has happened on this because it has been so quiet in the media.
Seems like there should be an official decision on this,one way or the other, before things move any further.
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I guess if Obama gets disqualified that means Billary gets the nomination?
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:noid
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If Osama get the boot it's going to destroy the Dems' chance altogether.
I think it's going to get buried ;)
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How can a lawsuit of this magnitude get buried?
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They buried Teddies indiscretions didn't they?
:noid
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I guess if Obama gets disqualified that means Billary gets the nomination?
That is what I was wondering.
I don`t think it will ever come to that.
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They buried Teddies indiscretions didn't they?
:noid
Teddie wasn't running for President though.
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even more reason for them to bury it then isn't it?
:noid
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At any rate, I don`t expect any Springsteen music to be played at the DNC. :)
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I don`t know about the charges, but he would not be eligible for POTUS .
I`m just curious about what has happened on this because it has been so quiet in the media.
Seems like there should be an official decision on this,one way or the other, before things move any further.
it's been quiet in the media, because they want him in. they only try to give him good press, and they're doing that quite well.
this morning, checking the paper......clintons now back osama. when i turned on the radio, before i got power plugged in for my sirius, they were talking about osama. got to work, had the local oldies station on, and they're frackin talking about osama.
i tell ya.....they're trying to make his name so familiar, that when the sheeple go into the voting booths, they see his name first.
it's frustrating, really it is.
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Because it's a media ploy to get attention, nothing more than thin air and BS, it's what the right is good at. They have the, by any means necessary rule in play. Lie, cheat, spin the truth a million ways from sunday, the wingers will believe it if you get Rush and Sean to say it. Harold Simmons owns your opinions and tells you how to vote.
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Because it's a media ploy to get attention, nothing more than thin air and BS, it's what the right is good at. They have the, by any means necessary rule in play. Lie, cheat, spin the truth a million ways from sunday, the wingers will believe it if you get Rush and Sean to say it. Harold Simmons owns your opinions and tells you how to vote.
To bad you can't see that both the right AND the left do the exact same things.
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I realize there are bad apples on both sides, but I was responding to the slant of the OP. If you want to debate the merits of politicians, or the corruption in both party's, then we should start another thread and not hijack this one.
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Because it's a media ploy to get attention, nothing more than thin air and BS, it's what the right is good at. They have the, by any means necessary rule in play. Lie, cheat, spin the truth a million ways from sunday, the wingers will believe it if you get Rush and Sean to say it. Harold Simmons owns your opinions and tells you how to vote.
The right you say?
"A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.
Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate,former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania.According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party."
Link (http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-64304)
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I realize there are bad apples on both sides, but I was responding to the slant of the OP. If you want to debate the merits of politicians, or the corruption in both party's, then we should start another thread and not hijack this one.
If that was true, you would point out the defiencies of the left as well, but you don't. :)
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Sox62, I should have read that more closely, I was referring to this BS from the Hannity forums http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=792961 (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=792961). Here is the conclusion from Snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp)
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That's hardly a conclusion on the current suit Mojava.
It does however deal with the speculation that Hawaii was indeed a state when Osama claims to have been born there.
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Sox62, I should have read that more closely, I was referring to this BS from the Hannity forums http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=792961 (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=792961). Here is the conclusion from Snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp)
no need to go too court or anything as legal as that! :lol
snopes has already solved the mistery! :devil
so go on about your miserable existance,o and make sure to vote Oboma :rofl :salute :salute
hard to imagine snopes having a conclusion before this thing goes to court! if it ever gets that far :noid :noid
that might be why hillary hasn't went away :uhoh
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that might be why hillary hasn't went away uhoh
If Obama gets disqualified, Billary and the democrats won't stand a chance in November imo. All this will do is destroy whatever chance they had to begin with.
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If Obama gets disqualified, Billary and the democrats won't stand a chance in November imo. All this will do is destroy whatever chance they had to begin with.
o, i agree, but i dont think that matters too her at this point, she wants a shot at 2012, so she needs Oboma to lose, espesialy if they can make it look like it was stolen from the dem's, with some stuff like this :noid
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o, i agree, but i dont think that matters too her at this point, she wants a shot at 2012, so she needs Oboma to lose, espesialy if they can make it look like it was stolen from the dem's, with some stuff like this :noid
The dems will just come up with some other retarded plan that will screw themselves over just like this retarded plan is gonna screw them over.
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Because if the media covered every ridiculous bogus lawsuit that got filed, they wouldn't have time to cover the real news. Like Lindsay Lohan's latest drug-induced crime spree.
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Well bogus crap doesn't stick around long. What happened about that "real" bigfoot someone said they had in their freezer?
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Bogus or fact, it doesn`t matter.
If it is a legal lawsuit filed according to law, then an investigation and a legal decision should be reached.
I don`t believe Snopes would be appointed judge. :)
There is also the question of whether he is in fact still a citizen of another country.
I would think that if the media was,for the most part, unbiased (read that Fat Chance) that a person running for POTUS being accused
of falsifying his birth certificate and having a lawsuit filed concerning this, it would be of much interest to the public.
We certainly heard about the lawsuit filed against the McCain campaign dealing with the use of an unauthorized song.
I guess that`s more important.
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If Osama get the boot it's going to destroy the Dems' chance altogether.
I think it's going to get buried ;)
Obama lost the minute he picked Biden. The NRA is going to rape them. They've already lost.
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How can a lawsuit of this magnitude get buried?
The two reputable charges of Bill Clinton raping two women were also buried during the Monica debacle.
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The two reputable charges of Bill Clinton raping two women were also buried during the Monica debacle.
I guess so since I never even heard of that.....point taken.
Have any links to that btw?
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Hmmmm...interesting...and McCain was born in Panama...yeah, I can see where this is going.
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At any rate, I don`t expect any Springsteen music to be played at the DNC. :)
And yet they did! :devil
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They buried Teddies indiscretions didn't they?
:noid
heh... find 1 person on this BBS who is unaware of Teddy's indiscresions.
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So why is he not rotting in jail like anyone else would be?
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I guess so since I never even heard of that.....point taken.
Have any links to that btw?
Yes i do...i will try & PM the links to you.
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Philip Berg is also a 911 truther.
That makes him a lunatic.
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I don't quite understand how it works in the USA. But here, you to the General register, hand them over the princely sum of 10 Euro and you get an authentic birth cert based on their records. Assuming of course you were born here in Ireland.
Why don't they just go here:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/howto/w2w/hawaii.htm
Pay the ten bucks and lo! they have an authentic birth cert for Obama and his Mother? Or is that too obvious? :lol
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Where are all the usual loud bellows for tort reform and huge sanctions against frivolous lawsuits normally posted in this forum?
shamus
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Where are all the usual loud bellows for tort reform and huge sanctions against frivolous lawsuits normally posted in this forum?
shamus
If.....IF....Obama wasn't born in the US, this lawsuit is far from frivolous.
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Yes i do...i will try & PM the links to you.
Cool deal, thanks. :)
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If wishes were fishes, we would all cast our nets to the sea
or
If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride
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Philip Berg is also a 911 truther.
That makes him a lunatic.
Only when he goes after the current administration with weird allegations.
Now if he makes wild eyed claims against a dem, they must be taken seriously and investigated thoroughly :lol
shamus