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Title: Higgins Boat
Post by: High Cap on August 28, 2008, 09:46:48 AM
Just woundering if we could get AH to add this boat.
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: Cthulhu on August 28, 2008, 10:15:53 AM
Why? It's only marginally faster than an LVT, and practically defenseless. Sure you could carry alot more troops, but I doubt HTC would allow you to load more than ten anyway. And what happens when you make landfall? Your dismounted troops would be slow and helpless. The LVT however can drive them to town in armored comfort. :salute
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: BaldEagl on August 28, 2008, 10:28:03 AM
Well, you could use them to ferry light armor (Jeeps and possibly M-16's).  They could carry a 6000 lb vehicle.
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: High Cap on August 28, 2008, 10:31:48 AM
 That would be nice to see landing GV on the Bish beach head !
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: SmokinLoon on August 28, 2008, 10:32:43 AM
Well, you could use them to ferry light armor (Jeeps and possibly M-16's).  They could carry a 6000 lb vehicle.

DING DING!  I like the option of being able to ferry a jeep and other smaller/lighter gv's (M3, M16, 251, M8?).  This would extend the capture range of a CV fleet.

I can only imagine the coding would be a nightmare and there are other priorities.
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: whels on August 28, 2008, 10:58:09 AM
DING DING!  I like the option of being able to ferry a jeep and other smaller/lighter gv's (M3, M16, 251, M8?).  This would extend the capture range of a CV fleet.

I can only imagine the coding would be a nightmare and there are other priorities.

just add a LST to land light/medium tanks from fleet.
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: waystin2 on August 28, 2008, 11:16:15 AM
I like the idea of being able to transport other GV's to shore.  Sounds fun and would definitely add some variety to the game!
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: Cthulhu on August 28, 2008, 12:44:38 PM
 :huh Uh, guys. Except for the jeep, all those GV's weigh a Hell of a lot more than 3 tons. Jeeps might be fun though, if you can stay awake thru the 9 kt boat ride. And you're still pretty much defenseless while in the water.

whels has it right... if you really wanna drop some hurt on the beaches, use an LST.
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: Saurdaukar on August 28, 2008, 01:33:33 PM
That would be nice to see landing GV on the Bish beach head !

+1

Make it a formation of Higgens boats ala buffs.

Three (or more) times of the troops necessary to take a town to account for the long, slow run to target and corresponding vulnerability.

I like it.  In fact, I like anything that adds immersion.
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: Yossarian on August 28, 2008, 06:34:22 PM
Nice idea  :aok

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Yossarian
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: P1Tiger on August 28, 2008, 08:46:52 PM
That would be nice to see landing GV on the Bish beach head !

i hear ya brother :salute  i like both LST and Higgins, but its not like you can spawn a LST
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: 1pLUs44 on August 28, 2008, 08:55:05 PM
Dont call me on this, but I'm pretty sure, that if someone upped a typical N1k or a Spit 16, you'd probably lose your Higgens boat a lot quicker than your LVT...
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: glock89 on August 29, 2008, 12:12:22 AM
Dont call me on this, but I'm pretty sure, that if someone upped a typical N1k or a Spit 16, you'd probably lose your Higgens boat a lot quicker than your LVT...
you got that right.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: Cthulhu on August 29, 2008, 10:29:23 AM
Dont call me on this, but I'm pretty sure, that if someone upped a typical N1k or a Spit 16, you'd probably lose your Higgens boat a lot quicker than your LVT...
Spit 16? How about a Spit I.
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: High Cap on August 29, 2008, 10:34:01 AM
You guys keep in mind their would be air support lifted before ground attack starts with F4's F6's and so on.
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: Cthulhu on August 29, 2008, 11:05:45 AM
You guys keep in mind their would be air support lifted before ground attack starts with F4's F6's and so on.
Yes, but typically LVT's are left to fend for themselves in-game. They, at least, are armored and fairly well armed. Higgins boats, on the other hand, are wooden, unarmored, lightly-armed targets.
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: glock89 on August 29, 2008, 11:09:49 AM
Yes, but typically LVT's are left to fend for themselves in-game. They, at least, are armored and fairly well armed. Higgins boats, on the other hand, are wooden, unarmored, lightly-armed targets.
they light up like lighters  :lol
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: High Cap on August 29, 2008, 11:24:03 AM
Ya but they armed with 30MM !
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: glock89 on August 29, 2008, 11:25:03 AM
Ya but they armed with 30MM !
A cannon on a Higgins boats didnt happened would be nice to have 1  :lol
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: JunkyII on August 29, 2008, 12:17:55 PM
Higgins boats definately go faster then LVTs.As for getting troops in let them have 20 and have mass boats landing on the shore just like on D-day and all the other land invasions
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: Cthulhu on August 29, 2008, 01:09:42 PM
Ya but they armed with 30MM !
What? :huh You sure you're not armed with 30mm? :D   j/k

Higgins boats definately go faster then LVTs.As for getting troops in let them have 20 and have mass boats landing on the shore just like on D-day and all the other land invasions
Yeah, half again as fast. And if you're gonna drop troops, go for all 36. The next step would be to have the troops actually fight. :aok
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: whels on August 29, 2008, 03:27:00 PM
with LST, instead of spawning @ shore like LVTs do, ud choose LST or Tank from CV hanger. Then
it would spawn u @ the Fleet like a PT in the LST(with Tank as cargo) and you drive the LST to shore.
when u beach the LST and open the door, it switchs you to the Tank driver seat and you drive out
on to land. when your tank leaves the LST, it vanishes.
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: glock89 on August 29, 2008, 05:36:08 PM
with LST, instead of spawning @ shore like LVTs do, ud choose LST or Tank from CV hanger. Then
it would spawn u @ the Fleet like a PT in the LST(with Tank as cargo) and you drive the LST to shore.
when u beach the LST and open the door, it switchs you to the Tank driver seat and you drive out
on to land. when your tank leaves the LST, it vanishes.
So it like a ghost. :uhoh :uhoh
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: JHerne on August 29, 2008, 06:48:20 PM
It makes sense, especially from the single-player aspect. Having an LST with onboard players is problematic, especially for whoever is driving the LST once the tanks are ashore...go back to the CV?

I like the morphing idea...course, at that point, we could just use Duplex Drive Shermans.

J
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: Cthulhu on August 29, 2008, 07:09:56 PM
course, at that point, we could just use Duplex Drive Shermans.

J
So you're suggesting we add drowning as well? :uhoh
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: titanic3 on August 29, 2008, 07:15:33 PM
 I can see it now..

(http://www.terragame.com/downloadable/wargames/beach_head_2000/screen_1.jpg)

 :rolleyes: :lol
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: titanic3 on August 29, 2008, 07:17:32 PM
So you're suggesting we add drowning as well? :uhoh

It would get rid of the camouflage problem with the Shermans. Green tanks in blue water...
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: JHerne on August 29, 2008, 10:05:53 PM
The problems encountered with the DD tanks at Normandy wasn't with the actual tanks. In theory, and in practice, they worked fine.

The heavy losses of the DD tanks were a result of high seas and missed drop points. Instead of the DD tanks going straight into the beaches (with the waves), they missed the drop point and had to approach the beaches at 45-75 degree angles. As a result, the waves were striking the DDs broadside, which resulted in their foundering.

Since we don't have swells or waves in AH, DD Shermans would work fine.
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: SKYGUNS on August 30, 2008, 06:34:00 PM
I find this could be incredibly fun, but more like this.

like making a mission but only on CVs
Higgins will be a CPU
select witch GV you would like to take and what payload
manable guns as well
max amount of troops are **** allowed
then a start button or timer
when missions done the Higgins would either have to be destroyed or return to the fleet....



That way we have large numbers and poss a much larger threat as in DDAY..
with this compared with LVTS and beach defences (whatever they may be) could be fun and interesting...





Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: flyboy96 on August 30, 2008, 06:40:17 PM
Yes, but typically LVT's are left to fend for themselves in-game. They, at least, are armored and fairly well armed. Higgins boats, on the other hand, are wooden, unarmored, lightly-armed targets.


They weren't wooden and I know they had 1 50. Cal,If I'm mistaken I think some had the same cannon as a LVT please correct me if I'm wrong on that.


But it is a good idea
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: Boxboy on August 31, 2008, 09:55:05 PM

They weren't wooden and I know they had 1 50. Cal,If I'm mistaken I think some had the same cannon as a LVT please correct me if I'm wrong on that.


But it is a good idea

Yep they were wooden (marine plywood) except for the "ramp" which was steel, and yes they did mount a .50 cal to supress ground fire as they made their way to the beach

They made have been "field modified" with other ordinace but that was not the SOP.
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: P1Tiger on August 31, 2008, 11:19:29 PM
with LST, instead of spawning @ shore like LVTs do, ud choose LST or Tank from CV hanger. Then
it would spawn u @ the Fleet like a PT in the LST(with Tank as cargo) and you drive the LST to shore.
when u beach the LST and open the door, it switchs you to the Tank driver seat and you drive out
on to land. when your tank leaves the LST, it vanishes.

isnt the LST as big as or bigger than the CV?, correct me if im wrong, but if it is, i dont think that would happen
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: Boxboy on September 01, 2008, 04:49:38 AM
isnt the LST as big as or bigger than the CV?, correct me if im wrong, but if it is, i dont think that would happen

No not as big as the CV but larger than a Higgins boat. in fact it was a Ship, (shallow draft) with doors that opened in the front (Old west swinging bar doors) LST stands for Landing Ship Tank.
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: whels on September 01, 2008, 11:03:36 AM
isnt the LST as big as or bigger than the CV?, correct me if im wrong, but if it is, i dont think that would happen

This is a LST very big. we dont need it this huge.
(http://gateway.ca.k12.pa.us/memorial/lst.jpg)

This is more inline with the size i was thinking. its a LCT
(http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/photos/SoftgoodImage42824a.jpg)
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: P1Tiger on September 01, 2008, 11:23:01 AM
This is a LST very big. we dont need it this huge.
(http://gateway.ca.k12.pa.us/memorial/lst.jpg)

This is more inline with the size i was thinking. its a LCT
(http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/photos/SoftgoodImage42824a.jpg)


perfect thats the one right there  :aok
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: glock89 on September 01, 2008, 04:14:56 PM


perfect thats the one right there  :aok
same  :aok
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: bigrich on September 01, 2008, 07:31:13 PM
it's big enough to fit a Sherman firefly maybe, a M8, maybe a Panzer IV, a tiger would sink it though idk about a T-34 or the new T-34 though....but defiantly a yes from me it can defiantly haul a M3 with troops to cap a town  :aok
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: P1Tiger on September 01, 2008, 11:04:29 PM
it's big enough to fit a Sherman firefly maybe, a M8, maybe a Panzer IV, a tiger would sink it though idk about a T-34 or the new T-34 though....but defiantly a yes from me it can defiantly haul a M3 with troops to cap a town  :aok
it can haul troops alone. oh nvm but if the town is too far then you would need a m3 lol, but what happens after your done driving the boat. do you just switch to you veh.? i mean id like to drive the boat myself and not sit in the divers seat of my GV but i think it should just drive back to the carrier itself after you landed
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: Coog03 on November 12, 2008, 12:53:18 PM
I think this would be a great add. Granted it is a little faster and has no armor, it had the most important part in the largest sea to land operation in WW II.  Higgins boats carried 36 men or 1 jeep and 12 men.


http://lst494.freeyellow.com/LST_494_Higgins_Boat_LCVP_.html (http://lst494.freeyellow.com/LST_494_Higgins_Boat_LCVP_.html)
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: Lt. Pope on November 14, 2008, 07:43:45 PM
I like the thought of a bunch of Higgins filled with troops and vehicles, rushing to the beach to fight :cool:

I think that if u r manning the vehicle in the Higgin, u should be at least be able to shoot the machine gun( if
it has one)
Title: Re: Higgins Boat
Post by: Lt. Pope on November 16, 2008, 06:52:40 PM
It makes sense, especially from the single-player aspect. Having an LST with onboard players is problematic, especially for whoever is driving the LST once the tanks are ashore...go back to the CV?

I like the morphing idea...course, at that point, we could just use Duplex Drive Shermans.

J
The Cutain on the DD could be an Ordance...