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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: TheBug on August 29, 2008, 08:04:59 PM
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All rare planes can only be based at an airfield worth +3 or greater victory points. Common, 1.0, planes will be at all airfields. I will allow side COs to request new bases for rare planes on a schedule TBD.
Axis:
Bf109e 1.0
Bf109f 1.0
Bf109g2 .3
Fw190a5 .3
Mc202 1.0
Mc205 .3
Ju87 1.0
Ju88 .5
C47 1.0
Sdkfz 1.0
Jeep 1.0
M8 1.0
Wirbelwind 1.0
Panzer 1.0
Allied:
P38G .3
P39D .3
P40E 1.0
Spitfire MkV 1.0
Spitfire MkVIII .3
F4f(CV only) N/A
Seafire MkII(CV only) N/A
Boston III 1.0
A-20G .5
B-25C .5
C-47 1.0
SBD (CV only) N/A
M-3 1.0
M-8 1.0
M-16 1.0
Jeep 1.0
Sherman 1.0
How's that look??
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39D not Q. Nice Tunisian skin for it already there :)
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Rgr that, thank you <S>
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All rare planes can only be based at an airfield worth +3 or greater victory points.
Nice, lets see how this plays out now.
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You guys wanted the rarer planes to foster more fighting and bring people in. You put the rare planes in the back and... well as many have stated, they won't fly them. They don't want to fly 15 minutes to their dog fighting. They'll just go to the other arenas.
Also why even put the carrier planes on our list if we can't use the carriers?
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You guys wanted the rarer planes to foster more fighting and bring people in.
I think the point of the rare planes is to simulate a not-readily-available aircraft, and to a team a bit of an advantage if the other gets to far into their territory (balancing things out).
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The front line isn't moving.
The best thing to happen to this set up is that the allies have not had enough people on at one time yet willing to attempt a capture on A13. Had we taken A13 the fighting in the AvA would have died out. With people unwilling to fly 3 zones to dog fight.
Yes some of the squads are willing but the un-attached players which is what we use to grow this place won't.
These thoughts are not for me personally. I am with the 49th, we'll fly 4 extra zones just to fly P38's. We're that kind of geek though. these other geeks won't do it. They'll log and leave us all chasing our tails.
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The front line isn't moving.
I'll give you a hint why, if you want it.
BTW the rest of the allies will be quite happy having Spitfires at every base, I'd imagine.
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Why do you think.
I think the front hasn't moved because the Allies don't have a heavy fighter. :)
Our guys don't like the Boston and for the most part won't fly it. Heck since we only have it at limited bases most don't know where they are even if they wanted to go fly it. :)
I am surprised the axis haven't been able to move it so far. That triple base isn't the only air field on the front line.
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Has something to do with a certain airbase in the 69-70-71 area...
Edit: Yes, I'm suggesting that the superiority of the Spitfire MkV is stagnating the fighting.
I think the front hasn't moved because the Allies don't have a heavy fighter.
And the Axis do?
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Spit it out Motherland I don't understand cryptic!
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No more 110?
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Has something to do with a certain airbase in the 69-70-71 area...
Edit: Yes, I'm suggesting that the superiority of the Spitfire MkV is stagnating the fighting.
And the Axis do?
Sorry Bubi - don't know how you figure that. :huh
The 109F & the Spit V is probably the "Closest" match you are going to get in this whole sim. I think the main problem is the LW is mainly used to facing planes armed with .50's and doesn't like it too well when they come up against enemy birds armed with Cannons just as good as theirs. It is give and take in the war - if like you say the Spit V is giving the Allies some advantage - I am sure the LW will be back in "Hordes" as soon as the 190A-5 becomes available to swing the advantage back the otherway for a while.
The ME-110 is arguably the BEST heavy fighter available in the sim. In real life it had to be escorted to it's targets or it was basically SHARK BAIT for the single engined fighters - HOWEVER - in AH2 it is a regular MONSTER in the hands of even a semi-decent pilot for both A2A & A2G.
:salute
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To the AvA staff and TheBug,
I say this setup is far more fun than anything I have experienced in any other arena. The closest to it, would be the furball area of the Dueling Arena. Since I am one of those bomber geek types, I would like to see more of the planned bomber / escort historical matchup missions run as a challenge made for both sides to participate in. Forgive me if I am just out of the loop or my limitations on hours of gameplay have mislead me to a false conclusion, but I see the potential there that is being squandered.
Second week planeset as well as the first, I think was well balanced. I have seen balanced numbers on the roster, which is a big plus in maintaining a campaign. The one big thing that I have consistently seen in all of the campaign series that is missing is INFORMATION. Are we so programmed by MA tactics that missions must be hush hush, top secret, that we are forbidding the one ingredient that turns this into a battle.
IMHO, when anyone, new or old to the arena logs in, he/ she should be bombarded with green text on where the fight is. The country that is able to do that one thing the best will most likely have the upper hand.
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Wirbelwind vs m16 talk about a mismatch.
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that is a good question what happened to the 110?
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Sorry Bubi - don't know how you figure that. :huh
The 109F & the Spit V is probably the "Closest" match you are going to get in this whole sim. I think the main problem is the LW is mainly used to facing planes armed with .50's and doesn't like it too well when they come up against enemy birds armed with Cannons just as good as theirs. It is give and take in the war - if like you say the Spit V is giving the Allies some advantage - I am sure the LW will be back in "Hordes" as soon as the 190A-5 becomes available to swing the advantage back the otherway for a while.
The ME-110 is arguably the BEST heavy fighter available in the sim. In real life it had to be escorted to it's targets or it was basically SHARK BAIT for the single engined fighters - HOWEVER - in AH2 it is a regular MONSTER in the hands of even a semi-decent pilot for both A2A & A2G.
:salute
Jester, the allies have the SpitV on the frontline, while the axis pilots have to fly 15 minutes to get to the fight with the 109F (so most are flying the 109E or C202). The superiority we're talking about is the SpitV vs the 109E. Moreover, capturing the base with the SpitV is near impossible because it has two extra bases to defend right next door. That's what bubi was saying. Have you tried out the AvA during primetime this week? :confused:
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110 should be there sorry my mistake.
110c added to Axis lineup with .5 rarity
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I don't know much about gv's, but is the panzer/sherman matchup a good one?
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Wirbelwind vs m16 talk about a mismatch.
Stop you're whining Flat! :)
Is the Ostwind better for balance? I almost never use the things so I wouldn't know.
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just saying 4 20mm vs 4 50 cal is a big diff in a anti aircraft weapon. but I guess anything beats a single 50 cal on a m8, m3 or jeep like in the first round,
but yes I would rather face the single barrel ostwind than a 4 barrel wirblewind
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but yes I would rather face the single barrel ostwind than a 4 barrel wirblewind
rgr
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I'll give you a hint why, if you want it.
BTW the rest of the allies will be quite happy having Spitfires at every base, I'd imagine.
Why?
And You bet! :aok
...Yes, I'm suggesting that the superiority of the Spitfire MkV is stagnating the fighting.
The SpitV is superior? Boy howdy I must be flying it wrong then, because I can just about break even against the 109's and hardly at all against the Macci's... which btw, constantly out turn me if not out run.
I think the front hasn't moved because the Allies don't have a heavy fighter.
Our guys don't like the Boston and for the most part won't fly it. Heck since we only have it at limited bases most don't know where they are even if they wanted to go fly it.
I am surprised the axis haven't been able to move it so far. That triple base isn't the only air field on the front line.
Point one is very well made. :rock
Point two has me perplexed, as in the past, the Axis were JABO'ing hell out of the Allies and taking bases left and right.
:noid
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I am surprised the axis haven't been able to move it so far. That triple base isn't the only air field on the front line.
Eh, that's mostly because we don't try. There are very few axis pilots that get excited over capture the flag; lots of allied squads seem to love it. :confused: Personally, I find the base capture system in AH to be an insignificant improvement over what HT/Pyro implemented in warbirds ~15 years ago; the same basic idea remains. Part of what attracts me to the AvA is that bases don't frequently change hands, so I don't have to search the map to find a new fight and don't see so much of the seal-clubbing that goes along with base capture efforts.
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as in the past, the Axis were JABO'ing hell out of the Allies and taking bases left and right.
The only problem is that the allies are still trying to take 13(most of them anyway). We are involved in essentially a never ending base defense, and almost all of our actions are centered around 13.
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The only problem is that the allies are still trying to take 13(most of them anyway). We are involved in essentially a never ending base defense, and almost all of our actions are centered around 13.
Them lousy Allies... :o
Well I guess that says it all then. We can lose the bombers and just furball the heck outta each other
:(
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Hehe, let's not unravel guys. At least wait until the second week to start losing it. :)
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Stop you're whining Flat! :)
Is the Ostwind better for balance? I almost never use the things so I wouldn't know.
Osti has far better range, the wirbl vs the M16 arent really a big mismatch.
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Have you tried out the AvA during primetime this week? :confused:
Why YES, I have, Thank you. :salute
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Osti has far better range, the wirbl vs the M16 arent really a big mismatch.
They need to fire my English teacher :huh
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I don't know much about gv's, but is the panzer/sherman matchup a good one?
Sherman Firefly should not be there. Sub the T-34/76 as a closer match to the EW Sherman in terms of armor and firepower (a bit too fast, but it is what we have).
Alternately, enable the Tiger. The Tiger was available to the Axis in North Africa. The Firefly was not available to the Allies.
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I try ti take A13, because ti is important to you guys. I could have our boys milk run the rest of the map, but it owuldn't matter. You guys don't really defend the rest iof the map, so the victory would be a bit hollow even for someone like me.
If I could take A13 though, a base you all are actually using I can call that a true win for the first frame. That's most of why I keep sending people at A13. When we have low numbers we can just go take vehicle bases. I don't consider that moveing the front line though. The Airbases are the prizes. The only thing mots of the vehicle bases are currently contributing is extra radar coverage.
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When are there any people in there? I've been scanning for a fight and it's usually too few.
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Mostly large numbers are there during the evenings CST. Through out the day it's mostly sporadic fighting. :aok
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When are there any people in there? I've been scanning for a fight and it's usually too few.
The unwritten rule of the AvA has been "if you play there, they will come." AvA is my preferred arena to play in. I always look for numbers on that server before I either go AvA, DA or LW MA.
What I am saying is by the time you settle in pick an airfield and plane, someone else (like me) has noticed a non empty arena. If you get in and have no opposition or they are napping or deaf, then start tearing stuff up. Bostons and Ju88s do it nicely. Pretty soon you have 7 or 8 guys, more than enough to get into a cow chip throwing contest with, Angus!
I hope more folks show this kind of interest. Try it out and see. :rock
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Wirbelwind vs m16 talk about a mismatch.
I know this is historical and all, but even have the wirble on axis and osti on allies...I know its not historical at all but it's a more even match up.
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Wirbelwind vs m16 talk about a mismatch.
There are certain trade-offs, the outlying one is the Wirble's ~25 MPH versus the M 16's ~50 MPH. Those 25 MPH can make the difference between a successful base take and a failed base take.
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Just out of curiosity..when does the second week begin...today or Tuesday?
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Sherman Firefly should not be there. Sub the T-34/76 as a closer match to the EW Sherman in terms of armor and firepower (a bit too fast, but it is what we have).
Alternately, enable the Tiger. The Tiger was available to the Axis in North Africa. The Firefly was not available to the Allies.
Tigers will show week three.
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The new planeset is coming tomorrow and actually the P39 got me thinking about Venom's idea again and I think I will give it a try this week.
It seemed odd restricting a P39 to select bases, I figure its limitations that prevent it from being an overpowering ride will keep it to a rare status in itself. So why forced it to be placed at +3 bases or greater I wondered?? So that got me thinking about all the planes and hubbub created by the SpitV base being where it was. So I've decided to not use the rare plane idea and change to Venom's idea of placing the better planes to the rear.
Besides it will give ya something to yell at me about.
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The new planeset is coming tomorrow and actually the P39 got me thinking about Venom's idea again and I think I will give it a try this week.
It seemed odd restricting a P39 to select bases, I figure its limitations that prevent it from being an overpowering ride will keep it to a rare status in itself. So why forced it to be placed at +3 bases or greater I wondered?? So that got me thinking about all the planes and hubbub created by the SpitV base being where it was. So I've decided to not use the rare plane idea and change to Venom's idea of placing the better planes to the rear.
Besides it will give ya something to yell at me about.
Oh great, hope it works out. I think I may go with a new callsign if it doesn't. Remeber that old football league when they had nicknames.
HeHateMe
Venom (HeHateMe)
P.S. I think refueling has to be disabled also. Otherwise people may ferry them up and play very conservative in them and refuel.
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You can't disable refueling.
Plus if they want to play conservative and not be suicidal that's up to them.
That's like complaining that someone in a P51 won't stop BnZing your zero.
Just because some of you are not willin gto fly an extra zone to get to the fight doesn't mean someone else isn't.
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We were having fun fights last with 109E's, P-40's and Hurri's, and then all of a sudden I was surrounded by 4 Spitfire V's. :furious So I flew the extra 15 minutes and brought 109F to the fight...fair is fair. ;)
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For the purpose of playability, you may want to make the P38G a 1.0 plane. I assume the Axis 110 will be a 1.0 plane. This will give both sides an effective front-line Jabo aircraft at all bases. We do have tanks which will change things from the early week but I don't see much of a difference in aircraft as far as the ability to drop a town and take a field.
Venom
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Oh great, hope it works out. I think I may go with a new callsign if it doesn't.
:lol
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Also since our VBases don't launch into enemy v-bases there are limited places where they're a viable choice for attacks. We'll need those P38's out front.