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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Donzo on August 30, 2008, 07:35:15 PM
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Predictions have Gustav's track just west of New Orleans on Monday...storm surge could be high.
Might this do the city in for good?
I only hope that we see some competency at the state and local level this time.
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They seem to be ahead of the game this time. Hopefully lessons were learned at all levels.
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*I was the dipstick in this thread!* Just had the WRONG info stuck in the graymatter!
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But what dipstick plans a national convention in a hurricane prone region during the very height of hurricane season??????? I usually vote republican but this was the epitome of a bonehead move!
Uh, what? :confused:
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But what dipstick plans a national convention in a hurricane prone region during the very height of hurricane season??????? I usually vote republican but this was the epitome of a bonehead move!
:rofl
lol Minnesota hurricane prone ehh.
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i thought it was in NO! - Dont ask me why... but i swear thats what i was thinking.... the mind is the first thing to go!
You guys that knew it and saw this KNOW I am gonna edit LOL
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Tax dollars are repeatedly wasted on rebuilding places that should never have been built to begin with. The rest of the country is expected to underwrite the policies for all the people who live where things like hurricanes are a constant danger. It's one thing to rebuild a port that is a necessity, it's another thing entirely to rebuild luxury homes by the sea. A new law should be passed immediately. If you are not in an area like that by necessity, you get ONE payment for damages. If you do not take it and MOVE, you don't get paid again.
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McCain is considering postponing the convention due to the possibility of Gustav hitting New Orleans.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/13007.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/13007.html)
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My Brother and a couple of his partners are heading out down there in the morning. Don't want to be in his shoes after what he told me about Katrina.
As for response, we have a REAL Governor now. Of course "Chocalte City" Naggin is still down there.
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"We're gonna rebiiieeeeeeeeelllllllldddddd dd!"
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Predictions have Gustav's track just west of New Orleans on Monday...
:noid
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My Brother and a couple of his partners are heading out down there in the morning. Don't want to be in his shoes after what he told me about Katrina.
As for response, we have a REAL Governor now. Of course "Chocalte City" Naggin is still down there.
we had quite a few CAP members from here in nj go there for katrina. there was a very very large CAP presense then......if anything bad happens, we will again. aaannnnddd.......they're all vollenteers. but virgil is right though......it is govt money sending them....thus, it is our tax dollars.
he is also right.....people that don't NEED to be there.........well, they should be on their own. sounds cold, but they knew this could happen.
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we had quite a few CAP members from here in nj go there for katrina. there was a very very large CAP presense then......if anything bad happens, we will again. aaannnnddd.......they're all vollenteers. but virgil is right though......it is govt money sending them....thus, it is our tax dollars.
he is also right.....people that don't NEED to be there.........well, they should be on their own. sounds cold, but they knew this could happen.
ass meet hat - sounds cold, but you knew this could happen. ultra melon.
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I'll be honest. I'm going to be laughing for a week if a hurricane levels New Orleans....... AGAIN.
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ass meet hat - sounds cold, but you knew this could happen. ultra melon.
Like it or not, Cap is correct. Given what happened with Katrina anyone that does not have a need to be in New Orleans should be gone by now. Not one of those people in New Orleans can say they don't know the possible consequences of what could happen during another hurricane.
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Like it or not, the opinion's of this board rarely know.
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In any of these natural disasters like rivers flooding out of their banks, condos and homes on out islands getting wiped out by wind and water, flooding in New Orleans, etc., etc. the government always makes a basic mistake.
If you want to truly help the idiots that have no respect for Mother Nature, you do not give them money to rebuild. You buy them out completely for that amount and you make the property government property that can never be built upon. You also limit this to one payment per lifetime for the dimbulbs that think living on an Outer Bank island is their right and it is the taxpayer's duty to rebuild for them every time they get blown off the sandbar.
It would be just as expensive but eventually the government would own all the low ground and it could never be built upon.
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In an of these natural disasters like rivers flooding out of their banks, condos and homes on out islands getting wiped out by wind and water, flooding in New Orleans, etc., etc. the government always makes a basic mistake.
If you want to truly help the idiots that have no respect for Mother Nature, you do not give them money to rebuild. You buy them out completely for that amount and you make the property government property that can never be built upon. You also limit this to one payment per lifetime for the dimbulbs that think living on an Outer Bank island is their right and it is the taxpayer's duty to rebuild for them every time they get blown off the sandbar.
It would be just as expensive but eventually the government would own all the low ground and it could never be built upon.
May a catastrophe give you two weeks, toad.
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Two weeks of what? Two weeks to live? You wishing death on me?
I live on a hill. Picked the place because of that. Bring on the flood.
I am continually amazed at the number of homebuyers that have no understanding whatsoever of "100 year flood plain". Hell, I'm amazed at how many don't understand the implications of "floodplain".
If you think it is the right of people living in flood prone areas to have their homes rebuilt by the taxpayers time after time, you must be a liberal.
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gibberish..
If you think it is the right of people living in flood prone areas to have their homes rebuilt by the taxpayers time after time, you must be a liberal.
Time after time, taxpaying $'s. Elaborate, source, .. show me. Where, when?
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N.O. = GIANT BOWL, no point if you ask me..
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Time after time, taxpaying $'s. Elaborate, source, .. show me. Where, when?
Excerpt from USA Today Oct 25, 2006 | 502 words
New Orleans plan: Rebuild in flood zones, hand you the bill
The definition of insanity, according to Benjamin Franklin, is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Ben, welcome to New Orleans.
Nearly three-quarters of 14,534 New Orleanians who've applied for federal grants say they'll rebuild their Hurricane Katrina-damaged homes in flood areas -- even though city restrictions are unlikely to protect their homes if the levees fail again, USA TODAY's Anne Rochell Konigsmark reported last week.
The latest plan calls for the Louisiana Recovery Authority to dole out grants of up to $150,000 to cover uninsured losses, which residents can use to rebuild or relocate. To qualify, homeowners in and around the city must raise their homes by at least 3 feet and purchase federal flood insurance.
So let's see. Federal taxpayers will be subsidizing reconstruction in flood areas, underwriting the insurance on those homes and will no doubt have to bail out the flood insurance program if the homes get wiped out again. The program collected only $2.2 billion last year in premiums but will pay out more than $20 billion in Katrina claims, leaving taxpayers on the hook for the rest. Worse, the program encourages development in ... well, you get the idea.
Carry on :salute
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Building in and rebuilding coastal areas that are below sea level is stupid. The only reason New Orleans continues to exist as a major population center is for purely sentimental reasons. The historic French quarter could be preserved as a tourist spot, but the city as a metropolitan and commercial center is nonviable. New Orleans is just one example, as Louisiana's coastline erodes along with other state's. But, if sea levels rise a lot of coastal cities will need to be abandoned, especially those threatened by storm surges.
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Time after time, taxpaying $'s. Elaborate, source, .. show me. Where, when?
Glad you asked! Always willing to help you learn!
Congressional Research Service ˜ The Library of Congress
Federal Flood Insurance: The Repetitive Loss Problem
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32972.pdf
...Repetitive Loss Problem
A major public policy issue before the 109th Congress is the cost to the NFIP of
paying for repetitively flooded properties.51 According to FEMA, a relatively small
number of RLPs account for a disproportionate share of paid flood claims.52
Insurance market analysts insist that by reducing the number of RLPs, actual flood
insurance claims will be reduced, and this will both diminish the upward pressure to
raise flood insurance rates and stabilize, in the long run, the financial condition of the
NFIP.
Appendix B shows that a total of 112,540 properties nationwide have sustained
repetitive losses, but only 50,644 of these properties had insurance, as of September
severe repetitive loss properties (SRLP) that were placed in FEMA’s Target Group
Special Facility. In total, there were 4,498,324 flood insurance policies — so RLPs
are 1% of the total policies nationwide. Yet, according to FEMA, this 1% accounts
for an annual average of 30% of amounts paid in claims.53 Since 1978, RLPs have
cost the NFIP about $2.7 billion.54 Appendix D shows that although RLPs exist in
all 50 states, five states — Louisiana, Texas, Florida, North Carolina, and New Jersey
— accounted for 63% of all repetitive loss payments from 1978 through 2004. The
top 10 states accounted for 78% of all repetitive loss claims; and the top 25 states
account for 96% of all repetitive loss claims.55...
...When FEMA first identified the disproportionate amount of
repetitive claims paid on a very small percentage of NFIP-insured properties as the
most significant cost factor in the program, the agency took steps to pursue a variety
of mitigation strategies to reduce future losses from flooding.
Glad to be of service!
Now, just what did you mean by this:
May a catastrophe give you two weeks, toad.
Or do you not have the balls to explain it?
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'The Repetitive Loss Problem'
Wakeup, dude. Wakeup.
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Yes, repetitive losses. Rebuilding the same flooded properties multiple times. It's not a difficult concept to understand dude.
so RLPs are 1% of the total policies nationwide. Yet, according to FEMA, this 1% accounts for an annual average of 30% of amounts paid in claims.
1% of the policies, 30% of the amounts paid.
Looks like you're the one snoozing.
And I figured you had no balls.
You're another O'Club drive by. You've got zip. Can't formulate a coherent argument; best you can do is weak one-liners.
Later.... duuuuuuuuude.
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See Rule #5
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Claptrapulous.
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He's just another shade waiting to get PNG'd Toad. :)
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"The only reason New Orleans continues to exist as a major population center is for purely sentimental reasons. The historic French quarter could be preserved as a tourist spot, but the city as a metropolitan and commercial center is nonviable."
I think it was mentioned in an earlier post but I guess you're not aware the they do a bit of shipping there also. Been that way for almost 300 years. Depending on what numbers you use the New Orleans port complex is one of, if not THE largest in the world. The capacity to move freight in and out of the area is unparalleled anywhere in the country. Consequently, it could be said in some respects that New Orleans is one of the most important cities in America.
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ya know all these years ive waited to sing the "youth birgade" song "gonna sink with californa when it falls in to the sea" .............. but now its "Oh when the saints....oh when the saints and gustov come marching in".....
leave it a flooded delta full of gators like it should be!
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A looting we will go.
A looting we will go.
High Ho.......(everybody join in now)
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Oh, to be a realty agent in New Orleans....
"Now if we walk Up this hill.....just a little further.....
See? isn't it nice to walk in the Gulf of Mexico?"
Last time I drove through N.Orleans, about 6 months ago....an easy 25% of the city still shows what Katrina did.
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I would that not another penny of my money be thrown away rebuilding a city in hurricane alley, a city even when it's not being assaulted by mother nature is assaulted by crime out of control. If the residents want to endure this foolishness then they should be free to do so but why should I have to pay for their stupidity?
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Paying for another man's stupidity is the American way! :aok
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"New Orleans is a dead museum."
Wab
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Anybody even see a graveyard in NO? I used to pick up loads of Zattarain's at 82 First street in Gretna. Take a look at the sat shot for that addy and tell me if you think that warehouse is still standing. The graveyards near the site are all above ground. You can't dig a grave 13 feet below sea level.
If you want to rebuild NO then you better bring in enough fill dirt to bring the whole city above sea level by at least 20 feet. Please do not use the army corps of engineers as your only engineering source. Sorry if I offend some of you but I have seen their work. Pa cold storage warehouse is a good example. 5 trucks waiting to load for Katrina relief. Quicker you get them loaded quicker relief gets to the site. My truck was loaded before any of the relief trucks. The good ole boys from the corps of engineers were standing around for 2 hours not even thinking of loading. The drivers said something to those boys and were told to mind their own business.
P.s. My bad warehouse is still there and they still ship out of it. The water way just north of the warehouse is going to be bad news when the next one hits.
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Anybody even see a graveyard in NO? I used to pick up loads of Zattarain's at 82 First street in Gretna. Take a look at the sat shot for that addy and tell me if you think that warehouse is still standing. The graveyards near the site are all above ground. You can't dig a grave 13 feet below sea level.
If you want to rebuild NO then you better bring in enough fill dirt to bring the whole city above sea level by at least 20 feet. Please do not use the army corps of engineers as your only engineering source. Sorry if I offend some of you but I have seen their work. Pa cold storage warehouse is a good example. 5 trucks waiting to load for Katrina relief. Quicker you get them loaded quicker relief gets to the site. My truck was loaded before any of the relief trucks. The good ole boys from the corps of engineers were standing around for 2 hours not even thinking of loading. The drivers said something to those boys and were told to mind their own business.
P.s. My bad warehouse is still there and they still ship out of it. The water way just north of the warehouse is going to be bad news when the next one hits.
The solution to the problem isn't just "Filling the bowl in." Besides the INCREDIBLE amount of dirt you'd need, the engineering services just to do it would rate on the nation moving levels much like the Pyramids of Egypt did. I.E. Everyone stops what they are doing for 30 years, is paid sub minimum wage and just toils away.
Past the ability to do this, the environment itself is a paradox. They moved onto a river delta. To keep the river from flooding them, they dammed it off. However, the river ALSO added soil to the delta, keeping it above sea level. So they stopped it from flooding, but they made it start to sink.
There is no solution for New Orleans.
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If you want to rebuild NO then you better bring in enough fill dirt to bring the whole city above sea level by at least 20 feet.
It would be cheaper to build the levees' out of reinforced concrete. To fill in the NO depression would take Billions, if not trillions, of yards of Fill material...which you'd have to get somewhere. Not to mention the fact, that you would have to completely remove the existing city, and rebuild it back on top of your fill. I think LS might be optimistic on his timeframe. This would be the work of half a century or more, consuming vast amounts of other resources. And New Orleans', not to offend anyone here, is neither a strategically important city, nor economically, to justify that vast expense.
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I would rather see federal dollars go toward relocating people instead of rebuilding if Gustav (or any other storm) should destroy the city.
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all I know for sure is...
its eeevile Booshe's fault.
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Will the black community in NO embarrass itself again?
Sit around complain, wait for someone to lift them off the porch and evacuate them, loot everything that doesn't float away, sit around and make demands about how everyone else is supposed to take care of them, then expect the US taxpayer to support them in hotels for the rest of their lives?
Or will they actually get up, evacuate, be responsible, not destroy trailers and hotel rooms, pick themselves up by their own bootstraps?
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I realize that filling that in would be pretty darn hard to do. Just making a statement. I drive a tandem dump truck for a living and yes I know what it takes to fill a hole. Sometimes more than you took out of the hole.
Let us hope everyone is heeding the evacuation orders. Even if it means walking out of NO.
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I could have had a nice looking house near a lake.
But I knew that the area was prone to flooding now and again Basements become swimming pools. And the area becomes near impossible to get in or out of.
Being one that believes a house on land is a house and not an occasional boat with an occasional indoor swimming pool I decided on an area that other then the street on VERY rare circumstances going a few inches under water is reasonably on dry ground.
Anyone who builds typical housing in an area prone to flooding deserves anything that happens to them.
Besides NO. Every year or so we see headlines of rivers overflowing,people putting sandbag damns up and homes being washed away.
And every year or so we see the same types of homes built and rebuilt in the same locations.
HOW STUPID ARE THESE PEOPLE??
Primitive native tribes all over the world make homes in the same kind of areas too. Yet they have a solution to co exist with the wrath of mother nature.
(http://us-africa.tripod.com/beninganvie.jpg)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/tessellar/R5i08QSo1EI/AAAAAAAAE7A/HzSYefCeVLE/s800/01-Nicvillage.jpg)
(http://www.lollygagger.org/artists/superboggly/plog/archives/images/2004-06-02-0215-(06-26)smal.jpg)
Now if primitive tribes have figured this out.
Why cant these people?
And why dont the local building codes require it??
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I realize that filling that in would be pretty darn hard to do. Just making a statement. I drive a tandem dump truck for a living and yes I know what it takes to fill a hole. Sometimes more than you took out of the hole.
Let us hope everyone is heeding the evacuation orders. Even if it means walking out of NO.
You will lose anywhere from 15 to 30% of the original volume due to compaction and material type. Solid rock would almost fill one for one, but not many people use pure rock for fill. But the whole argument is moot; Think about all of the Heavy equipment such as Scrapers, Front bucket loaders, Dozers, Compactors, etc. that you would need, all of them burning diesel at close to 5 bucks a gallon. The expense in fuel alone would pay for All-concrete levees...and that would probably be the ultimate solution for New Orleans, if it wishes to remain a viable spot for habitation.
I would be willing to bet that if not everybody heeded the evacuation last time, then, well...They won't this time, either.
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Now if primitive tribes have figured this out.
Why cant these people?
And why dont the local building codes require it??
Florida building codes do. all new coastal building must be elevated, and existing buildings if damaged more that 50% of value must be rebuilt to new codes. But you now have a nice covered parking space.
it is reported that 95% of the population of southern LA has left.
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Will the black community in NO embarrass itself again?
Sit around complain, wait for someone to lift them off the porch and evacuate them, loot everything that doesn't float away, sit around and make demands about how everyone else is supposed to take care of them, then expect the US taxpayer to support them in hotels for the rest of their lives?
Or will they actually get up, evacuate, be responsible, not destroy trailers and hotel rooms, pick themselves up by their own bootstraps? - Dago
What is worse is the cynical accusations of racism by liberals regarding the inefficiency of Fema/Government, outright stating that blacks were allowed to suffer because "Republican admin were racist. There is no extremism like liberal extremism. (same people who tried to criminalize our soldiers in Falujah and abu graib for political purposes)
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New Orleans uninhabitable because of climate conditions after a couple of hundred yerars of settlement?
Why???
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over development and poor planing
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New Orleans uninhabitable because of climate conditions after a couple of hundred yerars of settlement?
Why???
YEA that's it just like Pompeii.
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But haven't we already proven in another thread that it's impossible for the sea levels to be rising? :O
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the sea level is not rising, the land is sinking, too many big condo towers on the beachs.
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But haven't we already proven in another thread that it's impossible for the sea levels to be rising? :O
The obvious shouldn't have to be stated, the overall sea level isn't rising, while the water level is going up in one area, it is going down in others. The quantity of water will stay basically the same in the ocean.
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Watched the news this morning as they were interviewing some of those who choose to stay and "ride it out".
A couple were the same ones that were interviewed as Katrina was approaching and had chose to stay.
One of the guys that was staying through this one had to be rescued after Katrina passed.
Granted this one is a Cat 3, but I think you can see where awards need to be presented.
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You guys must have loved paying for the Big Dig then.
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the sea level is not rising, the land is sinking, too many big condo towers on the beachs.
Not even that. By damming the water up and away from the land, they were condemning the land to sink. That particular piece of land ONLY stayed above water because the water deposited silt and sediment on it.
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Not even that. By damming the water up and away from the land, they were condemning the land to sink. That particular piece of land ONLY stayed above water because the water deposited silt and sediment on it.
Nature always wins :)
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I wouldn't say always. Eventually is the better word choice for me.
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Mayor Nagen; Loot and you'll go strait to Angola and general population! They had a looter on bus today otw to Angola. Good job!