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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Toad on September 02, 2008, 10:33:09 AM
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/the_libertarian_case_for_palin.html
The Libertarian Case for Palin
Just read this and it adds some more information to the charges and counter charges flying around about Palin. It left me more convinced than ever that Palin is a better candidate than any of the other 3 more-of-the-same Washington insiders that are on the two ballots.
I'm still voting either Paul/Write-in or Barr/Libertarian but more and more I see Palin as the closest thing to a Libertarian on either ticket. I view that as a step in the right direction.
....Palin, for example, vetoed 300 pork projects in Alaska in her first year in office. She made a habit of knocking out big-government Republicans in her brief political career. For this, the 44-year-old mother of five enjoys a sterling approval rating in a state with arguably the nation's most libertarian-minded populace....
...In some places -- areas where the nation is growing -- owning a gun is not yet a sin. And unlike Obama, Palin seems to believe that the Second Amendment means the exact same thing in rural Alaska as it does in the streets of Chicago...
...Even when advocating for "moral" issues, Palin's approach is a soft sell. Palin does not support gay marriage (neither does Obama, it should be noted). Yet, in 2006, Palin's first veto as Governor was a bill that sought to block state employee benefits and health insurance for same-sex couples.
We cannot bore into Palin's soul to see her true feelings about gay couples, but, at the time, she noted that signing "this bill would be in direct violation of my oath of office" because it was unconstitutional. For most libertarians, the thought of politician following any constitution, rather than their own predilections, morality or the "common good," is a nice change of pace...
...On education, Palin supports school-choice programs. There have already been smears that she backed "creationist" teaching in "public" schools, when in fact, Palin's comment regarding intelligent design should hold some appeal to libertarians. Even if you find the idea inane, in essence, Palin pushed the idea that parents, rather than the state, should decide what children are learning.
When asked about this commotion, Palin said, "I won't have religion as a litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or creationism." If lockstep left-wing union-run school boards in urban districts would follow this sound advice on ideological litmus tests, our educational system would be a lot more productive...
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http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492964.html
If it's true she tried to get him fired, seems like just another politician to me. You need to put aside personal feelings.
So if I don't throw my support her way and she gets elected, do I get fired too? Do I get fired if i disagree with her, or is it strictly if I disagree with her sister?
Typical politician, abuse the power you have, she doesn't impress me
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Good post Toad. :aok
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Typical politician, abuse the power you have, she doesn't impress me
Guilty before the investigation is over, eh Sixpence?
That doesn't impress me. :lol
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Don’t have a problem with her personally; I have a problem with McCain complaining about the lack of experience of obama. Then finding someone with even less than him. My thoughts of him went down because of that fact. It just looks like he is paying games.
Don’t know enough about her to know if she would make a good President. She may be a great VP and future Pres,
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Guilty before the investigation is over, eh Sixpence?
That doesn't impress me. :lol
It's the American way!
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Don’t know enough about her to know if she would make a good President. She may be a great VP and future Pres,
What does the VP really do outside of misspelling vegetables and hunting accidents? Granted I can see your case if/when McCain dies during his term :p
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Guilty before the investigation is over, eh Sixpence?
That doesn't impress me. :lol
"Palin, who has previously said her administration didn't exert pressure to get rid of trooper Mike Wooten, also disclosed that members of her staff had made about two dozen contacts with public safety officials about the trooper.
"I do now have to tell Alaskans that such pressure could have been perceived to exist although I have only now become aware of it," Palin said.
But Palin said her decision to fire Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan last month had nothing to do with his refusal to dump trooper Mike Wooten.
The governor said evidence of what she called a "smoking gun" conversation, and other calls made by her aides, only recently surfaced as the attorney general started an inquiry at her request into the circumstances surrounding her firing of Monegan. Palin wanted the review because a special investigator hired by the Legislature is about to investigate the firing and a legislator has been quoted in a newspaper story talking about impeachment.
The majority of the calls came from Palin's chief of staff at the time, Mike Tibbles, according to information gathered by the state attorney general's office. Attorney General Talis Colberg and Palin's husband, Todd, also contacted Monegan about the trooper
So she denies until she finds out the phone calls were recorded, then says she knew nothing about about it. Even though her sister is in a legal battle with a state trooper he refused to fire.
She's a female Clinton
Seriously Toad, this is the last thing we need, politics as usual.
So she gets in and starts pulling a pelosi, try to prevent reps from speaking on the floor who do not agree with her? Skirt rules and laws? She's just pelosi at the other end of the spectrum
Sorry, don't trust her, don't believe a word she says
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Guilty before the investigation is over, eh Sixpence?
That doesn't impress me. :lol
I would vote Libertarian if i thought that they had a hope in heck.
However as far as Palin goes, from what i have read she didn't mind disregarding that a review board already looked at her accusations and delivered what they considered an appropriate punishment when they said that the case was done and closed.
She felt that she new better then the responsible authority and decided to not try him again but to simply proclaim his guilt and fire him. This is what people have a problem with, and is why she is now under investigation as to weather this was an abuse of power.
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Don’t have a problem with her personally; I have a problem with McCain complaining about the lack of experience of obama.
Don’t know enough about her to know if she would make a good President. She may be a great VP and future Pres,
If McCain cedes the "inexperience" argument, as he should now, he still ends up with a better looking ticket.
In any event, Palin still has "more" executive experience then all three senators in this race combined. She also "appears" to be far more in touch with average American values than any of the other three.
Her one fault in my estimation is her lack of foreign affairs experience. All of the other three candidates trump her on this beyond measure. The only thing I can come up with is that she may well be strong enough, intelligent enough and resourcefull enough to grow into that role quickly.
Everything Ive seen (not alot) points in that direction.
Lets see how she deals with the Biden in debate. That will say a lot.
Enjoy :)
http://quincypundit.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-barack-obama-office-being.html
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But Toad... this is the new, post patriot act Amerika.. the one where your innocent until investigated.
I've been laughing pretty hard at the talking head shows... the democrat attack poodles howling "Is this the BEST POSSIBLE PERSON the Republicans can choose for the position one heartbeat away from the Presidency? A woman with a pregnant teen daughter, who's under investigation for abuse of power? This, from the party that preaches family values? Is this the best Republican you can find for the Job? That John MaCain would pick this woman after meeting her for 15 minutes... don't you think that's a lack of judgement? This is pandering!!
ROFL!
Seems to escape notice that she's been 'filling the woods with the bodies' of corrupt and under-performing politicians, without regard for the party they belong to, since she raised her hand and swore to uphold the states constitution and represent the people's interests. How the hell anybody can do that without pissing off a whole buncha bent people with agendas that start with 'Get that squeak!' is beyond me... of course there's gonna be investigations and a whirlwind of controversy.
Good post Toad. Enjoyed the article.
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She's a female Clinton
So we can jump directly to "burn the witch" without passing Go? :rock
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She's a female Clinton
Seriously Toad, this is the last thing we need, politics as usual.
Sorry, don't trust her, don't believe a word she says
seriously?
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She's a female Clinton
Not possible ... she has a bigger set of balls than Bill could ever think of having ... and he was born with a set (vestigial mind you).
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The "most libertarian" of the bunch? Probably... However, she's just a passenger on the straight talk express, not the driver.
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If McC won she'd probably assume the office sometime within the next 8 years.
Probably be the fastest route for a Libertarian leaning person to get in the Oval.
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If McC won she'd probably assume the office sometime within the next 8 years.
Probably be the fastest route for a Libertarian leaning person to get in the Oval.
Yup. My reaction too. I do hope she stays a reformer. Washington is waaaaay overdue for some reforming.
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If McCain cedes the "inexperience" argument, as he should now, he still ends up with a better looking ticket.
In any event, Palin still has "more" executive experience then all three senators in this race combined. She also "appears" to be far more in touch with average American values than any of the other three.
Her one fault in my estimation is her lack of foreign affairs experience. All of the other three candidates trump her on this beyond measure. The only thing I can come up with is that she may well be strong enough, intelligent enough and resourcefull enough to grow into that role quickly.
Everything Ive seen (not alot) points in that direction.
Lets see how she deals with the Biden in debate. That will say a lot.
Enjoy :)
http://quincypundit.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-barack-obama-office-being.html
Its not Ceding the agrument, it is doing a compleate 180 on the main reason mccain seems to be against him.
forget the 3am in the morning ad?
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Its not Ceding the agrument, it is doing a compleate 180 on the main reason mccain seems to be against him.
forget the 3am in the morning ad?
The 3am in the morning ad was a creation of a democrat, used against another democrat.
I love revisionist brain farts.
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The 3am in the morning ad was a creation of a democrat, used against another democrat.
I love revisionist brain farts.
Could be, I seem to remember mccain doing one last month the same way. Will look it up.
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1ST "3 am" ad was by Hillary.
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1ST "3 am" ad was by Hillary.
Would not vote for her either :)
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for us libertarian minded.... Palin belonged to a group that suggested that Alaska secede from the union.
Any state that would secede from the union gets my vote these days as a really good place to live.
lazs
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for us libertarian minded.... Palin belonged to a group that suggested that Alaska secede from the union.
Any state that would secede from the union gets my vote these days as a really good place to live.
lazs
I think ALL the red states should consider that if Obama wins.
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Its not Ceding the agrument, it is doing a compleate 180 on the main reason mccain seems to be against him.
forget the 3am in the morning ad?
Are you kidding me????
Obama has never ran a business.
He has never ran a town.
He has never ran a state.
As far as I can tell he has never ran anything but his mouth.
He has spent..what? 150 days in the senate? And most all of that on campain for president?
Exactly where does Obama's executive experience come from? List it.
:rolleyes:,
Wab
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well, there was that community bake sale for the pot hole fund.... and he got the merry-go-round at the boys club to not squeek.
that's something.
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What does the VP really do outside of misspelling vegetables and hunting accidents?
you get to shoot people in the face with a shotgun. that's a pretty cool perk of the job.
ack-ack
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you get to shoot people in the face with a shotgun. that's a pretty cool perk of the job.
ack-ack
I think that qualifies under his "hunting accidents" statement.
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So she denies until she finds out the phone calls were recorded, then says she knew nothing about about it. Even though her sister is in a legal battle with a state trooper he refused to fire.
She's a female Clinton
this is the last thing we need, politics as usual.
So she gets in and starts pulling a pelosi, try to prevent reps from speaking on the floor who do not agree with her? Skirt rules and laws? She's just pelosi at the other end of the spectrum
Sorry, don't trust her, don't believe a word she says
Do you just have something against women? You're twisting in the wind.
Palin herself gave them the tapes. This has all been covered backward and forward in the media and on these boards. If you just don't like her or disagree with her stand on issues, thats one thing, but please stop repeating liberal blog drivel as if its fact.
Admit it. She's a maveric, unconventional go for the throat of "politics as usual" politicians from EITHER party.
And yes, I was born and raised in Alaska.
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you get to shoot people in the face with a shotgun. that's a pretty cool perk of the job.
ack-ack
And if I recall the guy was a lawyer too, ....what a cool job,............ and this chick digs M16's, maybe she should have invited her brother inlaw hunting.
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you get to shoot people in the face with a shotgun. that's a pretty cool perk of the job.
ack-ack
Not just any *people* but lawyer type *people*. Now that's a definite perk! :rock
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And if I recall the guy was a lawyer too, ....what a cool job,............ and this chick digs M16's, maybe she should have invited her brother inlaw hunting.
They tried to cover up her daughter's withdrawal from school to hide her pregnancy and.... eat her baby.
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1ST "3 am" ad was by Hillary.
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg229/WWhiskey/2z6dw5z.jpg)
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:rofl
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He looks like an Allstate Salesman.
If he calls me at 3:00am, I'm canceling the policy.
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He looks like an Allstate Salesman.
If he calls me at 3:00am, I'm canceling the policy.
:lol
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I like the guy. Good luck is all I can say.
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I like the guy. Good luck is all I can say.
no harm in that , people should vote there hearts, just need to listen to the facts, truthfully,
and in this day and age it is very hard too find, "the truth"!