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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on September 03, 2008, 09:33:22 PM
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Let's see how this goes...
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So far she gets points for having kids otw Iraq. That has to be a first for Republican politicians.
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Hmm I like how shes talking about herself and McCain instead of just flinging poo at Obama right out of the gate.
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So far she gets points for having kids otw Iraq.
x2 I wasn't aware of that until now.
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x2 I wasn't aware of that until now.
That's 1x. Nephews, cousins, ect. don't exactly count unless you're fishing.
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Egh I suppose.
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Anyone else notice the number of times she has said "small town" and the way she sorta stretches it out every time she says it?
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And the poo flinging begins :)
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Egh I suppose.
You can't wear the pin or exhibit the flag unless their your children.
I don't make the rules.
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" Our duty is to serve the status quo and leave it better than we found it"....
That seems to counteract the last 8 years.
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OK, now she's starting to shovel the sheet. She refused earmark funding??
That is going to come back and bite her in the MILF butt come the debates.
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That is going to come back and bite her in the MILF butt come the debates.
:rofl :lol
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OK, now she's starting to shovel the sheet. She refused earmark funding??
She refused it when it was politically convenient. In other words while she was Mayor she managed to get 27 million in federal earmarks for her little population of 6,700 town. She didn't mind taking Federal ear mark money then and in fact hired Jack Abramoff 's law firm to bring in the big bucks. By the time she ran for Governor Ted Stevens was already in trouble for the bridge to no where and other shady stuff.
So at that point she suddenly became "against" federal earmarks and ran her campaign against them and while governor made big deals about turning the money down. In short she was for it and against it when ever he was good for her political career. In other words she's a flip flopper. So only in the last two years did she suddenly find Jesus and made big deal publiclly of course about turning down the money. It screams of political convenance to me.. ;)
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Lol a few months ago Romney was tearing Mac a new one for not being conservative. Now he's comparing him to Reagan. It's such an anbkle (LOL) humpin party for both sides. This is honestly the best America can do?
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Lol a few months ago Romney was tearing Mac a new one for not being conservative. Now he's comparing him to Reagan. It's such an anbkle (LOL) humpin party for both sides. This is honestly the best America can do?
It appears so unfortunately, seems the crap always floats to the top..
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This is honestly the best America can do?
Republicans are just as inept as the Democrats. But to answer your question. YES
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Lol a few months ago Romney was tearing Mac a new one for not being conservative. Now he's comparing him to Reagan. It's such an anbkle (LOL) humpin party for both sides. This is honestly the best America can do?
well if your gonna speak at the RNC, you cant trash your party's nominee...
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This is honestly the best America can do?
Sadly, it appears that yes, this is the best the Republicans can do.
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Damn. She's good.
LOL... yer liberal dreams are crushed.
"I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities. I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening.
We tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco."
LOL!
"The difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull..... lipstick"
Bite yer ass, too!
She hit it outta the park. Good job, Sarah.
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And it appears she is willing to sacrifice the hearing of her disabled child to play him for a sympathy card at the convention.
I'd never take my child to a place where I knew the noise would damage his hearing permanently.
Been there, done that.
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And it appears she is willing to sacrifice the hearing of her disabled child to play him for a sympathy card at the convention.
I'd never take my child to a place where I knew the noise would damage his hearing permanently.
Been there, done that.
You should submit that as a dem talking point...very original.
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go ahead; RPM, thrash, wail, moan... hehehehehehhehhe
I'm lovin it.
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I think she did very,very well.
The debate between her and Biden should be very interesting, to say the least.
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Sorry Hang,
I see this as far from an outa the park hit. A Triple, maybe. But she had better not have had a runner behind her or it's a double play.
We still need to wait for the debates. But the VP debates have never done more than hoist a flag. i.e. the Quale/Benson debates.
"I knew Jack Kennedy, you sir, are no Jack Kennedy!"
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Damn. She's good.
LOL... yer liberal dreams are crushed.
"I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities. I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening.
We tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco."
LOL!
"The difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull..... lipstick"
Bite yer ass, too!
She hit it outta the park. Good job, Sarah.
heheh... frankly, i trust the professor of constitutional law more than the Mayor that tried to ban books in her public library. I will admit that she had some good lines. But overall she wasn't that great a speaker. Leiberman was better, and that's pathetic.
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This was potentially one of the best speaches, ever. I mean...this gal has guts, grit, and a sort of "umphf" that makes people take notice. I wonder how she'll do as President after her terms as VP? She's absolutely amazing. Governor of the largest state in the US and with the highest approval rating of any governor. Down-to-earth, and no-nonsense about corruption. Put her in the ring with all the libs attacking her for being a woman and a mom; they're taking on a mother who's tackled moose! Mooses? Meese? :lol
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Sadly, it appears that yes, this is the best the Republicans can do.
Nothing like insightful political analysis from a porn merchant and a grocery store clerk.
:rolleyes:
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I think she did very,very well.
The debate between her and Biden should be very interesting, to say the least.
Agreed.
Hang, you can circle jerk from now to November, it won't sway my vote.
I'm waiting untill after the debates. But enjoy that supply of DuraLube.
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largest by geography... not by population.
I'm the President of Jupiter and everyone there loves me :rolleyes:
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heheh... frankly, i trust the professor of constitutional law more than the Mayor that tried to ban books in her public library. I will admit that she had some good lines. But overall she wasn't that great a speaker. Leiberman was better, and that's pathetic.
What professor of Constitutional law? Obama? :rolleyes:
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I'm the President of Jupiter and everyone there loves me :rolleyes:
Who's the President of Uranus?
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Whether good or not....is not for me to judge. (I am pretty tired of hearing about her husband being a champion "snow machine" racer, though.)
I will say, there was very little in the way of specifics contained within her speech. It was incredibly "soft". There was very little meat in this speech.... soft jabs at Obama and some relatively minor poo flinging, notwithstanding. I don't think she's helping or hurting the McCain Camp, I do think she's in waaay over her head. Her part in this election is slowly drawing to a close. The surprise factor is wearing off.
Her writer needs to be fired, as well. Talking about herself as a Washington outsider not interested in "the Washington crowd" doesn't really help her candidate, who has been one of those "insiders" for almost 3 decades. Perhaps the VP candidate is already distancing herself? :lol
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The hockey mom and lipstick line was an adlib. She looked up, saw the banners and went right with it, then winked at the moms (LOL!), then dove right back in where she left off. To pull that in the biggest moment of her life? Wow, I mean wow...
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Who's the President of Uranus?
My wife... at least it seems like she's the one causing all the pain there ;)
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Seems to me like Obama got spanked. Especailly by Romney and Huckabee.
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Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin!
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Nothing like insightful political analysis from a porn merchant and a grocery store clerk.
:rolleyes:
A porn merchant? That sounds very Republican of you. Care to point out just what porn sites and such I'm a member of?
I'm sure I'm within the same rights as you to point out that you are a member of NAMBLA and the Society To Rape Underage Virgins (STRUV).
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Even the talking heads of Clinton News Network :) are saying it was a home run speach...outta da park!
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Romney really isn't anyone I'm worried about...
Huck has tons more cred then him. Romney is a non-issue and I'm actually a little surprised they had him speak.
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The hockey mom and lipstick line was an adlib.
Oh, please! Nothing at this level is ad-libed!
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Just want to say Im Dammmnn proud of my ex-mayor,my current Governor and our prospective Vice-President..GO SARAH!!!!!!!!!! :aok
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Huckabees and Guilani's speach were my favs. They provided the main spanking of Obama, Palin then just followed it up.
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Agreed.
Hang, you can circle jerk from now to November, it won't sway my vote.
I'm waiting untill after the debates. But enjoy that supply of DuraLube.
RPM.. no problemo! I know you've got a brain; and I figure you've got your priorities. I like her, I like the concept, I like the platform. I especially like the fact that the next two months will be at least entertaining.
... and we'll both enjoy the VP debate; in fact, I'll hop out on a limb here and predict they will be more widely watched than the presidential debates.
Ain'tcha at least happy to be entertained?
;)
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TWENTY-TWO years in uniform, for our country. Wow..didn't know that. McCain said he'd rather lose the election, rather than the war.
How can you not respect that?
How can you not respect a woman who's son and nephew are both serving to defend our country?
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TWENTY-TWO years in uniform, for our country. Wow..didn't know that. McCain said he'd rather lose the election, rather than the war.
How can you not respect that?
How can you not respect a woman who's son and nephew are both serving to defend our country?
Easy, just work for NBC or CNN.
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Just want to say Im Dammmnn proud of my ex-mayor,my current Governor and our prospective Vice-President..GO SARAH!!!!!!!!!! :aok
*snappy salute!* :salute
You guys bred a winner up there!
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A porn merchant? That sounds very Republican of you. Care to point out just what porn sites and such I'm a member of?
I'm sure I'm within the same rights as you to point out that you are a member of NAMBLA and the Society To Rape Underage Virgins (STRUV).
:rolleyes: LoL. I stand corrected. You're a fekin genius.
Wab
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This, below, is what is downright scary, when talking about Palin.
Three months before she was thrust into the national political spotlight, Gov. Sarah Palin was asked to handle a much smaller task: addressing the graduating class of commission students at her one-time church, Wasilla Assembly of God.
Her speech in June provides as much insight into her policy leanings as anything uncovered since she was asked to be John McCain's running mate.
Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."
Religion, however, was not strictly a thread in Palin's foreign policy. It was part of her energy proposals as well. Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.
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RPM.. no problemo! I know you've got a brain; and I figure you've got your priorities. I like her, I like the concept, I like the platform. I especially like the fact that the next two months will be at least entertaining.
... and we'll both enjoy the VP debate; in fact, I'll hop out on a limb here and predict they will be more widely watched than the presidential debates.
Ain'tcha at least happy to be entertained?
;)
well said... *i disagree with the platform statement... but this should be fun :aok
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Easy, just work for NBC or CNN.
True. Just mention that you've been in uniform, defending our way of life and suddenly you're a nazi supporter. Did you see the BS the liberal media spewed?
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Oh, please! Nothing at this level is ad-libed!
It was...was watching online...they had the speech in front of them...and said it was adlibed..they were suprised as well.
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largest by geography... not by population.
I'm the President of Jupiter and everyone there loves me :rolleyes:
that explains alot :rofl :rofl :rofl
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This, below, is what is downright scary, when talking about Palin.
That's such a joke. Tell me you're not serious.
Christains and others...pray for guidance. "Not my will but yours be done". That's what she was asking for in that tape MSNBC played.
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The hockey mom and lipstick line was an adlib. She looked up, saw the banners and went right with it, then winked at the moms (LOL!), then dove right back in where she left off. To pull that in the biggest moment of her life? Wow, I mean wow...
you might want too go back a few hours to when the speech was released to the press before you say that
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That's such a joke. Tell me you're not serious.
Christains and others...pray for guidance. "Not my will but yours be done". That's what she was asking for in that tape MSNBC played.
Sir, the simple fact that anyone has to deem a pipeline a priority of god.... it sounds, well, so 15th century.
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RPM.. no problemo! I know you've got a brain; and I figure you've got your priorities. I like her, I like the concept, I like the platform. I especially like the fact that the next two months will be at least entertaining.
... and we'll both enjoy the VP debate; in fact, I'll hop out on a limb here and predict they will be more widely watched than the presidential debates.
Ain'tcha at least happy to be entertained?
;)
Oh, trust me. I'll be entertained. This will be the best set of debates since '92. I'm still uncommitted and waiting for the silver bullet that will sway my vote. But the VP debates have historically failed to sway the vote.
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Very good first speech for Gov Palin on the national stage in my opinion. Nice points *for* McCain, nice use of her own experience *for* her party's ticket, and she didn't show anger or hysteria when pointing out the differences between the Repub and Dem candidates. Her jabs were delivered with humor and irony, not the spite, jealousy, or irrational rage you expect from the Dems. She didn't take herself too seriously, she laid out her position and took the opportunity to highlight a long list of ways where she and McCain differ from Obama and Biden.
My favorite part - she didn't portray her, her family, her party, or the American people as victims. Not once. Totally awesome.
I wouldn't call it a grand-slam home run, more like a long series of solid base hits and an occasional single-run homer that sent the crowd wild with applause or laughter. I was laughing several times during the speech, and I think it was the right tone for her first major speech of the campaign.
Well done IMHO.
As a footnote, I think the presence of her family was appropriate and positive. Her youngest daughter looked happy and cute, her infant son didn't seem to mind all the hoopla, and the rest of the family helped fill in the background of a solidly grounded hockey mom / mayor / governor / VP candidate. People blathering about how her family shouldn't have been there are just pissed she's a good VP candidate and are grasping *anything* to bash. It was appropriate and they seemed to both contribute to the event and enjoy themselves as well. It's going to be a tough campaign and an even tougher 4 or 8 years if McCain / Palin are elected, so why begrudge them a little fun to kick it all off? And puhleeze, the baby can handle it. He looked fine and my own baby has fallen asleep quite comfortably in busy public places, so that's a pretty dumb thing to criticize.
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Oh, trust me. I'll be entertained. This will be the best set of debates since '92. I'm still uncommitted and waiting for the silver bullet that will sway my vote. But the VP debates have historically failed to sway the vote.
glad to see someone who is sceptical but not closed to debate!
maybe one side will actually give you a reason to vote for them, instead of against the other!
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TWENTY-TWO years in uniform, for our country. Wow..didn't know that. McCain said he'd rather lose the election, rather than the war.
How can you not respect that?
How can you not respect a woman who's son and nephew are both serving to defend our country?
All three of McCains sons serve.. a Navy pilot, an Army Lt; one at the Naval Academy.
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Very good first speech for Gov Palin on the national stage in my opinion. Nice points *for* McCain, nice use of her own experience *for* her party's ticket, and she didn't show anger or hysteria when pointing out the differences between the Repub and Dem candidates. Her jabs were delivered with humor and irony, not the spite, jealousy, or irrational rage you expect from the Dems. She didn't take herself too seriously, she laid out her position and took the opportunity to highlight a long list of ways where she and McCain differ from Obama and Biden.
My favorite part - she didn't portray her, her family, her party, or the American people as victims. Not once. Totally awesome.
I wouldn't call it a grand-slam home run, more like a long series of solid base hits and an occasional single-run homer that sent the crowd wild with applause or laughter. I was laughing several times during the speech, and I think it was the right tone for her first major speech of the campaign.
Well done IMHO.
As a footnote, I think the presence of her family was appropriate and positive. Her youngest daughter looked happy and cute, her infant son didn't seem to mind all the hoopla, and the rest of the family helped fill in the background of a solidly grounded hockey mom / mayor / governor / VP candidate. People blathering about how her family shouldn't have been there are just pissed she's a good VP candidate and are grasping *anything* to bash. It was appropriate and they seemed to both contribute to the event and enjoy themselves as well. It's going to be a tough campaign and an even tougher 4 or 8 years if McCain / Palin are elected, so why begrudge them a little fun to kick it all off? And puhleeze, the baby can handle it. He looked fine and my own baby has fallen asleep quite comfortably in busy public places, so that's a pretty dumb thing to criticize.
Well said-
I like her - she more "normal" then anyone I have seen in big politics in for.... ever
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All three of McCains sons serve.. a Navy pilot, an Army Lt; one at the Naval Academy.
Contrast this to Obama's ties to terrorist groups:
Obama Had Close Ties to Top Saudi Adviser at Early Age
(http://images.newsmax.com/article/ObamaMansour.jpg)
Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:58 PM
By: Kenneth R. Timmerman
New evidence has emerged that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was closely associated as early as age 25 to a key adviser to a Saudi billionaire who had mentored the founding members of the Black Panthers.
In a videotaped interview this year on New York’s all news cable channel NY1, a prominent African-American businessman and political figure made the curious...
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obama_sutton_saudi/2008/09/03/127490.html?s=al&promo_code=6930-1
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you might want too go back a few hours to when the speech was released to the press before you say that
Show me the pre-released version of the speech with that line right there. It won't be there. She probably wanted to use that line given an opportunity, and when one presented itself, she took it. It wasn't there though. You could see it in her body language how obvious it was. She dropped mid sentence in the teleprompter text to get it in, then moved on right where she left off. Gutsy move in my book.
If I'm wrong I'll go make nice with Rox and run mishuns all day in the MA.
;)
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i like her as well!
she seems smart and quick, a very good speaker,although i thought she held back some.
i think she will tear them up in the debates, were she will have too shoot from the hip!
i also like the thought of 16 years of her, 8 as VP/8 as pres. from the impression she gave, but only time will tell :aok
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As promised I am looking at the Rep convention with the same unbias I looked at the Democratic one.
Yea yea I know I didnt comment on Bidins speach.
Probably because I find him only slightly less exiting then McCain (only slightly)
Who knows. Maybe I wont comment on McCains speech either just to be fair.
I've had reservations about this lady.
The pick just didnt seem to make sense to me as all it did was make happy a group that was at worst hold their nose and vote for him anyway (in Laz type fashion) rather then vote for Obama
Well After watching this speech. This entire ticket doesn't make sense.
Can we have a do over?
Now,now kiddies. Pull your panties out of your crotches.
Its not what you think.
My impressions of the speech and the woman. ("Taken at face value". Just as I said about Obamas speech)
Impressive.
Very very impressive.
Now why doesnt this ticket make any sense to me?
Because they are assuming the wrong roles.
SHE should be running for Pres and he should be the VP running mate.
Assuming all she said is true
She's obviously done a good job in Alaska.
She obviously knows How to run an executive administrative position.
As far as Domestic matters are concerned. She is a better fit as president.
McCain's experience in congress makes him better suited to foreign affairs and as a gobetween congress and the White House.
Based on my impressions of her as of now. And my long held impressions of McCain.
I just think she would do a better job.
Anyway. VERY well delivered speech.
Nothing to really pick apart cept maybe the abortion issue. And thats not going anywhere anyway. So its a non issue.
On a more humorous side note.
She kinda reminds me of a cross between the Flying Nun (Sally Field) and a librarian.
Other note.
Anyone else notice how her young daughter was loving the limelight?
I rarely use the term cute except in sarcasm.
But she was cute.
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Show me the pre-released version of the speech with that line right there. It won't be there. She probably wanted to use that line given an opportunity, and when one presented itself, she took it. It wasn't there though. You could see it in her body language how obvious it was. She dropped mid sentence in the teleprompter text to get it in, then moved on right where she left off. Gutsy move in my book.
If I'm wrong I'll go make nice with Rox and run mishuns all day in the MA.
;)
fox report with sheperd smith, ala about 6 pm texas time, but if you wish i will try to find a print version!
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Contrast this to Obama's ties to terrorist groups:
Obama Had Close Ties to Top Saudi Adviser at Early Age
(http://images.newsmax.com/article/ObamaMansour.jpg)
Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:58 PM
By: Kenneth R. Timmerman
New evidence has emerged that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was closely associated as early as age 25 to a key adviser to a Saudi billionaire who had mentored the founding members of the Black Panthers.
In a videotaped interview this year on New York’s all news cable channel NY1, a prominent African-American businessman and political figure made the curious...
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obama_sutton_saudi/2008/09/03/127490.html?s=al&promo_code=6930-1
Okay can we stop with this nonsense? If you expect a guy who was hobnobbing with the radical left in inner city Chicago politics to not be tied in some way to black militancy by some association, you're either naive, too young or just stupid. Go after the man on his ideas, not because some weak, far-flung "association" he may or may not have had at the age of 25.
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Very solid job. McCain, or whoever selected her knew what they were doing. Sharp, tough... a multi-front attack on her and her family all week and she steps up to the podium confident and ready for battle. Add a liberman or romney to the ticket and you not only lose the base (and then some) but you create the Ambien Snooze Express. Hell, with Palin they even hit the special needs family niche :)
Surprisingly, she not only won over the doubters at Fox (who were not fans) but CNN and even MSNBC gave her more than grudging respect. I bet she gets more favorable treatment now that she has endured the hazing and shown star power. She can officially be anointed a "somebody" in the Washington club. Maybe even get a shot or two at Meet the Press.
I may actually vote for Juan McShamnesty now (not that my vote matters in Illinois) instead of that libertarian chap. Dare I drink the "reform" coolaid after such milestones and McCainFinegold? Who knows.
Yes, a solid move by someone in the campaign (barring any real scandals, etc.).
Charon
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Okay can we stop with this nonsense? If you expect a guy who was hobnobbing with the radical left in inner city Chicago politics to not be tied in some way to black militancy by some association, you're either naive, too young or just stupid. Go after the man on his ideas, not because some weak, far-flung "association" he may or may not have had at the age of 25.
yea cuase he was probably high on coke anyway!
(just playin with ya, i havent looked up the dates that he was, by his own admission doing coke, i just know it was within six months of Mrs. Palins husband getting his DWI)
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i saw a pic of him sipping tea and munching a crumpet with the queen of england.
i know he's a socialist because his pinky finger was sticking out just like the queens.
*burp*
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She's a pawn in a lame dirty game. The only thing she portrayed were the words off a teleprompter that some bellybutton kissin power hungry party heads wrote for her. Same with Barry Obomya. Republicans and Democrats just pander to whoever their tryin to suck up to on that particular day.
Oh and thanks to that redneck woman chick for bombing the climax note of our national anthem :frown:
even the "entertainment" sucked
I love my country it has given me all that I have.....I just hope these shizsacks aren't gonna run it into the ground. A nation of independent people my ass....follow the herd sheeps.
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Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God' By GENE JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 17 minutes ago
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God."
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In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it "God's will."
Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.
"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."
A video of the speech was posted at the Wasilla Assembly of God's Web site before finding its way on to other sites on the Internet.
Palin told graduating students of the church's School of Ministry, "What I need to do is strike a deal with you guys." As they preached the love of Jesus throughout Alaska, she said, she'd work to implement God's will from the governor's office, including creating jobs by building a pipeline to bring North Slope natural gas to North American markets.
"God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.
"I can do my job there in developing our natural resources and doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded," she added. "But really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God."
Palin attended the evangelical church from the time she was a teenager until 2002, the church said in a statement posted on its Web site. She has continued to attend special conferences and meetings there. Religious conservatives have welcomed her selection as John McCain's running mate.
The Assemblies of God, which claims nearly 3 million members, is one of the biggest Pentecostal groups in the U.S. Unlike most other Christians — including most evangelicals — Pentecostals believe in "baptism in the Holy Spirit." That can manifest itself through speaking in tongues, modern-day prophesy and faith healing. The Assemblies of God teaches that spirit baptism must be accompanied by speaking in tongues. Still, some churchgoers never have the experience.
Rob Boston, a spokesman for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, lamented Palin's comments.
"I miss the days when pastors delivered sermons and politicians delivered political speeches," he said. "The United States is increasingly diverse religiously. The job of a president is to unify all those different people and bring them together around policy goals, not to act as a kind of national pastor and bring people to God."
The section of the church's Web site where videos of past sermons were posted was shut down Wednesday, and a message was posted saying that the site "was never intended to handle the traffic it has received in the last few days."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_iraq_war_7;_ylt=AgWuNxQvq_lCahRdbmNw9qgUewgF (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_iraq_war_7;_ylt=AgWuNxQvq_lCahRdbmNw9qgUewgF)
Now...I wonder if she's gonna have a split with her old pastor the same way Obama did?
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Whether good or not....is not for me to judge. (I am pretty tired of hearing about her husband being a champion "snow machine" racer, though.)
I will say, there was very little in the way of specifics contained within her speech. It was incredibly "soft". There was very little meat in this speech.... soft jabs at Obama and some relatively minor poo flinging, notwithstanding. I don't think she's helping or hurting the McCain Camp, I do think she's in waaay over her head. Her part in this election is slowly drawing to a close. The surprise factor is wearing off.
Her writer needs to be fired, as well. Talking about herself as a Washington outsider not interested in "the Washington crowd" doesn't really help her candidate, who has been one of those "insiders" for almost 3 decades. Perhaps the VP candidate is already distancing herself? :lol
Couldnt dissagree with you more.
These speeches rarely if ever have any "meat" or specifics in them. Obamas didnt either and Mccains wont tomorrow.
Those soft jabs were pretty good zingers. Mike tyson type jabs. They hurt alot more then they look like they do.
Good shots against Obama was the comparison of him being a community organizer and her being a mayor. and the mayor actually having to be responsible for something.
The Insider shot is well placed. As it speaks out to alot of people who are sick of exactly that in Washington.
The woman hit a home run.
And made it look easy.
She's got alot more going for her upstairs then just looks.
If Obamas group underestimates her in the debates. They are in for trouble.
The surprise factor is one area you may be right on eventually.
Depends on how fast this novelty wears off.
Alot of it is going to be up to her.
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Yup, Alaska has the right color on the map.
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True. Just mention that you've been in uniform, defending our way of life and suddenly you're a nazi supporter. Did you see the BS the liberal media spewed?
IIRC, someone on NBC called her greedy for keeping her baby with downsyndrome and 'implied' that she should have gotten an abortion. Just from what's been around. I honestly think that they're scared of her.
Edit: I'm still not very sure on this, I never got a 'yea it happened' or a 'no it didn't happen'
Would be nice to find out.
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As promised I am looking at the Rep convention with the same unbias I looked at the Democratic one.
Yea yea I know I didnt comment on Bidins speach.
Probably because I find him only slightly less exiting then McCain (only slightly)
Who knows. Maybe I wont comment on McCains speech either just to be fair.
I've had reservations about this lady.
The pick just didnt seem to make sense to me as all it did was make happy a group that was at worst hold their nose and vote for him anyway (in Laz type fashion) rather then vote for Obama
Well After watching this speech. This entire ticket doesn't make sense.
Can we have a do over?
Now,now kiddies. Pull your panties out of your crotches.
Its not what you think.
My impressions of the speech and the woman. ("Taken at face value". Just as I said about Obamas speech)
Impressive.
Very very impressive.
Now why doesnt this ticket make any sense to me?
Because they are assuming the wrong roles.
SHE should be running for Pres and he should be the VP running mate.
Assuming all she said is true
She's obviously done a good job in Alaska.
She obviously knows How to run an executive administrative position.
As far as Domestic matters are concerned. She is a better fit as president.
McCain's experience in congress makes him better suited to foreign affairs and as a gobetween congress and the White House.
Based on my impressions of her as of now. And my long held impressions of McCain.
I just think she would do a better job.
Anyway. VERY well delivered speech.
Nothing to really pick apart cept maybe the abortion issue. And thats not going anywhere anyway. So its a non issue.
On a more humorous side note.
She kinda reminds me of a cross between the Flying Nun (Sally Field) and a librarian.
Other note.
Anyone else notice how her young daughter was loving the limelight?
I rarely use the term cute except in sarcasm.
But she was cute.
Yeah, the youngest was cute... loves holding her little bro to. Looks like a nice family.
Excellent observations... I was telling my slowly turning purple liberal ex wife that I thought Palin has the best pick fer pres outta the bunch.. good thing i don't eat her cookin anymore. ;)
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Interesting side note. I flipped rapidly through all the news channels right after the speech to catch as much of the analysis I could from the networks... amusingly there was no commentary from only one outfit, MSNBC. I kept flipping back as Palin made the rounds on stage... still nothing. Every other network making comment after comment... nothing from MSNBC. I must have done it four times, at least 2-3 minutes of dead air as she walked around devoid of any commentary at all. Was odd, but could Palin have hit such a home run that Olberman was sitting there speechless, frothing at the mouth searching for anything to say?
These kinds of things entertain me.
:)
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Interesting side note. I flipped rapidly through all the news channels right after the speech to catch as much of the analysis I could from the networks... amusingly there was no commentary from only one outfit, MSNBC. I kept flipping back as Palin made the rounds on stage... still nothing. Every other network making comment after comment... nothing from MSNBC. I must have done it four times, at least 2-3 minutes of dead air as she walked around devoid of any commentary at all. Was odd, but could Palin have hit such a home run that Olberman was sitting there speechless, frothing at the mouth searching for anything to say?
These kinds of things entertain me.
:)
She hit a home run...
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As a footnote, I think the presence of her family was appropriate and positive. Her youngest daughter looked happy and cute, her infant son didn't seem to mind all the hoopla, and the rest of the family helped fill in the background of a solidly grounded hockey mom / mayor / governor / VP candidate. People blathering about how her family shouldn't have been there are just pissed she's a good VP candidate and are grasping *anything* to bash. It was appropriate and they seemed to both contribute to the event and enjoy themselves as well. It's going to be a tough campaign and an even tougher 4 or 8 years if McCain / Palin are elected, so why begrudge them a little fun to kick it all off? And puhleeze, the baby can handle it. He looked fine and my own baby has fallen asleep quite comfortably in busy public places, so that's a pretty dumb thing to criticize.
Yeah, her disabled infant son was able to communicate to Mom&Co just how loud the noise was. Any infant, disabled or not, should never be exposed to such an environment during their formative years unless you have plans that don't include that child. You can't use your kids as a token.
I'd have had more respect if she left the child with a Nanny at the Hotel instead of using him as a token at the Convo.
Will he remember the Convo?
Will he remember what he heard (WHAT!?!?)?
The only thing the kid will live with is permanent hearing damage.
Pass the hearing aid!
Seriously, I'd have never taken my child to a mass gathering like a political convo. There is nothing for the child to gain from it, only the opportunistic parent.
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Interesting side note. I flipped rapidly through all the news channels right after the speech to catch as much of the analysis I could from the networks... amusingly there was no commentary from only one outfit, MSNBC. I kept flipping back as Palin made the rounds on stage... still nothing. Every other network making comment after comment... nothing from MSNBC. I must have done it four times, at least 2-3 minutes of dead air as she walked around devoid of any commentary at all. Was odd, but could Palin have hit such a home run that Olberman was sitting there speechless, frothing at the mouth searching for anything to say?
These kinds of things entertain me.
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Well tell us what a spectacle FAUXNews made of it. You know anything reported by any other network is fiction.
We deserve the facts, nothing less.
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Yeah, her disabled infant son was able to communicate to Mom&Co just how loud the noise was. Any infant, disabled or not, should never be exposed to such an environment during their formative years unless you have plans that don't include that child. You can't use your kids as a token.
I'd have had more respect if she left the child with a Nanny at the Hotel instead of using him as a token at the Convo.
Will he remember the Convo?
Will he remember what he heard (WHAT!?!?)?
The only thing the kid will live with is permanent hearing damage.
Pass the hearing aid!
Seriously, I'd have never taken my child to a mass gathering like a political convo. There is nothing for the child to gain from it, only the opportunistic parent.
Pathetic.
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Yeah, her disabled infant son was able to communicate to Mom&Co just how loud the noise was. Any infant, disabled or not, should never be exposed to such an environment during their formative years unless you have plans that don't include that child. You can't use your kids as a token.
I'd have had more respect if she left the child with a Nanny at the Hotel instead of using him as a token at the Convo.
Will he remember the Convo?
Will he remember what he heard (WHAT!?!?)?
The only thing the kid will live with is permanent hearing damage.
Pass the hearing aid!
Seriously, I'd have never taken my child to a mass gathering like a political convo. There is nothing for the child to gain from it, only the opportunistic parent.
Yup. Yer right... my sister, 7 years older than me; used to haul me with her everywhere. Massive noise, screaming, wailing... just like a convention. For every damn day for the first 4 years of my life.
It's left me a wasted soul. Every time I hear a crowd roar, I want my blankie.
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Well tell us what a spectacle FAUXNews made of it. You know anything reported by any other network is fiction.
We deserve the facts, nothing less.
What does a fun question about the lack of anything being said by MSNBC have to do with what was said on Fox News? At least they were saying something. On ABC Stephanopholous was right on top of it when the speech ended, same with Blitzer and Cooper on CNN.
It was a fun hypolthetical. Relax, rpm. You have 9 weeks to really get em all in a bunch.
:aok
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Here's a Transcript of Gov. Palin's speech from ADN:
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/515148.html
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Seriously, I'd have never taken my child to a mass gathering like a political convo. There is nothing for the child to gain from it, only the opportunistic parent.
Its a fair point. I would guess the Dbs were somewhere in the 90 to 100 range. As long as the exposure was not continuous for more than 30-45 minutes the kid will probably be fine.
Politics is all about opportunity and the taking advantage of it pure and simple.
I love the woman. I thought she stood there with fortitude and conviction and was simple and gracious, very gracious. Her oratory skill is comendable and obviously naturally come by.
Obama is a great speaker but he speaks in a complex way that always leaves more to be interpreted than directly understood. She on the other hand, speaks directly and is easily understood.
Although Im not a church going man, and disagree with some points expressed in the new testament I would rather surround myself with people who had faith in Christ and God, or at least respect for those who do, than surround myself with people who have no faith or even despise the tenants of Christianity.
This is not a done deal and there will be more surprises as November rolls near for both teams vying for the oval office. Expect more scandals and revelations. Its just the way we play the game.
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What does a fun question about the lack of anything being said by MSNBC have to do with what was said on Fox News? At least they were saying something. On ABC Stephanopholous was right on top of it when the speech ended, same with Blitzer and Cooper on CNN.
It was a fun hypolthetical. Relax, rpm. You have 9 weeks to really get em all in a bunch.
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Sorry Stang, I was asking from a parent's perspective. I'd never expose my child to a 90db+ environment. But then, I'm not using my child as a free ride to the White House. Priorities, I guess.
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Obama is a great speaker but he speaks in a complex way that always leaves more to be interpreted than directly understood. She on the other hand, speaks directly and is easily understood.
So he speaks in deep thoughts and she speaks in sound bites. Yeah, that's what I'm looking for.
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Oh, please! Nothing at this level is ad-libed!
Well I just did a quick read through of the prepared text, couldn't find the line. Don't think I missed it though?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5720910&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5720910&page=1)
Pretty sure she did it on page 2 at the top in the PTA line...
;)
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Well I just did a quick read through of the prepared text, couldn't find the line. Don't think I missed it though?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5720910&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5720910&page=1)
Pretty sure she did it on page 2 at the top in the PTA line...
;)
If she's ad-libing at this level, what is she going to do at an important weapons negotiation?
I could live with someone like Gingrich, Liberman or Romney. Palin just does not have the chops to play at this level.
Flashing yer tits will not get you a treaty with the Russkies.
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Flashing yer tits will not get you a treaty with the Russkies.
Appeasement?
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If she's ad-libing at this level, what is she going to do at an important weapons negotiation?
I could live with someone like Gingrich, Liberman or Romney. Palin just does not have the chops to play at this level.
Flashing yer tits will not get you a treaty with the Russkies.
Pathetic and sexist.
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Sorry Stang, I was asking from a parent's perspective. I'd never expose my child to a 90db+ environment. But then, I'm not using my child as a free ride to the White House. Priorities, I guess.
Nice...keep making that up.
I've been to packed football games with my grandson. That stadium was less than half full. Try again. They wanted to show a family's support for their wife and mother. Don't trash talk like the rest of the left. I'm sure the children's hearing will be fine.
But if that's all the ammo you have, keep shooting :lol
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If she's ad-libing at this level, what is she going to do at an important weapons negotiation?
Now that is just one hell of a stretch. Put yourself in her situation, imagine the pressure of a make or break appearance. You either nail this or you don't. You help McCain to win or doom. Nevermind the future of your own political career. Everyone is counting on you, holding their collective breath... and you have the coolness, guts and sense of perfect timing to drop a line like that?
I don't care who you are, you gotta tip your hat to the coolness shown in that situation.
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It may be pathetic and sexist, but what will Putin think of her? We all know how enlightened the rest of the world is. I'm sure they will be sure to pull her chair out and tip their hats when she sits at the negotiating table.
Wake up and welcome to 2008. She ain't Maggie Thatcher.
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RPM needs a clue...anyone...anyone at all :rofl
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Nice...keep making that up.
I've been to packed football games with my grandson. That stadium was less than half full. Try again. They wanted to show a family's support for their wife and mother. Don't trash talk like the rest of the left. I'm sure the children's hearing will be fine.
But if that's all the ammo you have, keep shooting :lol
...So, you went to a football game during your election campaign? Did you win the election...?
To be fair, watching a football game isn't the same as running in a campaign for national office. Using your family as political tools to try to get elected from sympathy rather than on your actual ability is what the game is here.
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After the speech on CNN they gave a rebuttal from the office of Harry Reid. He said something in the line that "It was a shrill speech ..............same as Bush...........blah blah blah, but the female reporters at CNN about blew a head gasket. Shrill in the fact that a female gave the speech. They better watch how they attack her, it will blow up in their face.
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She ain't Maggie Thatcher.
yup. that haq wuz ugly.
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It may be pathetic and sexist, but what will Putin think of her? We all know how enlightened the rest of the world is. I'm sure they will be sure to pull her chair out and tip their hats when she sits at the negotiating table.
Wake up and welcome to 2008. She ain't Maggie Thatcher.
LoL. Keep it up genius. The Hillary supporters will love that argument.
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RPM needs a clue...anyone...anyone at all :rofl
Umm yeah, I got a clue from the last election. The status quo ain't gonna cut it.
I'll think I'll take my lead from the Marines in Task Force Tarawa that couldn't figure out WTF we are doing after being sent into battle with ever changing ROE.
You got something against The Marines?
BTW, I could give a rat's bellybutton about the Hillary supporters.
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Sorry Stang, I was asking from a parent's perspective. I'd never expose my child to a 90db+ environment. But then, I'm not using my child as a free ride to the White House. Priorities, I guess.
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Problem solved
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If she's ad-libing at this level, what is she going to do at an important weapons negotiation?
I could live with someone like Gingrich, Liberman or Romney. Palin just does not have the chops to play at this level.
Flashing yer tits will not get you a treaty with the Russkies.
You can't possibly be serious on this. I would WANT a politician who can think quickly on their feet and not have to rely on a pre-prepared anything.
Obama himself is a great example of this, on a teleprompter he can give an incredible speech. Have him give an answer on the spot about anything is darn near impossible.
and yes the teets comment was sexist. You have made up your mind already playing the role of "undecided" or "watch and see" It was a great speech, and I think many Americans now want a
Palin-McCain ticket.
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So he speaks in deep thoughts and she speaks in sound bites. Yeah, that's what I'm looking for.
Obama has a tendency to express himself in complex ways when simple answers would more quickly and adequately get the point
across. I view people who communicate like that as being self absorbed in their own intellectual prowess and I rapidly lose interest in listening to them, but thats just me.
When McCain and Obama interviewed with Rick Warren Obama did tend to over express himself and at times appeared to become lost in his own thoughts.
McCain on the other hand talked in a straightforward manner and I felt connected his thoughts to the audience better.
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It may be pathetic and sexist, but what will Putin think of her? We all know how enlightened the rest of the world is. I'm sure they will be sure to pull her chair out and tip their hats when she sits at the negotiating table.
Wake up and welcome to 2008. She ain't Maggie Thatcher.
There is one thing, RPM. She is only running for Vice-President. Putin will as likely as not have any direct dealings with her...It would all go straight to McCain. Actually, many things' will go straight to McCain. She won't be signing any vetoes, McCain will. The red direct line from Moscow to Washington D.C. would sit on McCains' desk, not Palin's. Look at what the past Vice President's of this country have done whilst in office. The most vocal and involved in my recent memory was Dick Cheney, and that was Mainly because he was in the press alot for his ties' to Halliburton, and evidently his inability to distinguish members of his own hunting party from that day's game hunted.
This chick's just an election stunt, nothing more.
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No, Tap. You have made up your mind before she even spoke. You just want anything BUT a democrat. I on the otherhand want anything BUT the status quo.
We need a fresh perspective to focus on the real problems our nation faces, like Ron Paul.
I liked McCain back in 2000, but your idol said he was damaged goods from his time in Hanoi. You knbow, brain damaged from torture...unreliable. He should have been elected in 2000 and the Arabs would have never attacked us. Unfortunately that time has passed, we elected a fool and the ragheads got exactly what they wanted. Bozo in charge and personal freedoms quashed.
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So far she gets points for having kids otw Iraq. That has to be a first for Republican politicians.
FYI McCains son has already been serving in the Marines in Iraq this year, and McCain has intentionally kept that quiet. (sorry, not reading through all the posts if this had already been addressed)
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RPM needs a clue...anyone...anyone at all :rofl
Lol!
A product of "every child needs a village" I guess.
Let's see...
Obama has yet to produce a birth certificate with a state seal on it. Is he even a US Citizen?
Hussein Obama is backed by Saudi Islamic fundamentalists.
Biden the VP is radically against the Constitution which guarantees rights to firearms ownership.
Obama wants to increase the size of the government; meaning more taxes and less individual freedom.
vs.
McCain a war veteran; 22 yrs of service with family serving the country.
McCain a PoW; helping others in captivity to survive.
Palin the most approved governor in the USA
Palin who has a son and nephew serving the country in the Armed Forces
Palin who is a mother of five, who is attacked for having the audacity to run as VP as well as spending time raising a family.
McCain's quote about, "i'd rather lose an election, than lose the war" really spoke well about his character and integrity. We definately need more people at the top concerned about the well-being of the country rather than how the polls are going. :rock
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No, Tap. You have made up your mind before she even spoke. You just want anything BUT a democrat.
I may have made up my mind but,
1. At least I am honest about it
B. I am voting for a party strong on national defense
III. I don't have anything here, I just wanted to use roman numerals
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There is one thing, RPM. She is only running for Vice-President. Putin will as likely as not have any direct dealings with her...It would all go straight to McCain. Actually, many things' will go straight to McCain. She won't be signing any vetoes, McCain will. The red direct line from Moscow to Washington D.C. would sit on McCains' desk, not Palin's. Look at what the past Vice President's of this country have done whilst in office. The most vocal and involved in my recent memory was Dick Cheney, and that was Mainly because he was in the press alot for his ties' to Halliburton, and evidently his inability to distinguish members of his own hunting party from that day's game hunted.
This chick's just an election stunt, nothing more.
If McCain wins he will be the oldest POTUS in history. He has a medical history of cancer. There is a more than likely chance he may not serve out his term. I'd have been a lot more comfortable with Rudy or Mitt as Veep. Palin simply does not have the chops to play at this level. She needs a stint as a cabinet member or member of Congress to learn a few things. A squeaker at POTUS or VPOTUS will only get you tangled into a war we can't possibly win, or worse an extended occupation with no exit strategy.
Need proof? Look at the last 8 years.
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This chick's just an election stunt, nothing more.
If McCain beats the community organizer and is elected President, Palin would be in prime territory to be the next nominee for president.
Thats no stunt and could be a game changer in history. Time will tell.
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If McCain wins he will be the oldest POTUS in history.
Regan and one other were older when elected. I'll have to dig it up, but you're wrong. Again :eek:
Here's where you get to tell us how Regan was a bad president, and that the fall of the USSR had nothing to do with his policies :huh
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Palin simply does not have the chops to play at this level. A squeaker at POTUS or VPOTUS will only get you tangled into a war we can't possibly win, or worse an extended occupation with no exit strategy.
She's taken on big business and won. She's taken on entrenched political agendas, corruption, and came out the most popular governor in the USA. I think you, and maybe Iran and N. Korea should tremble if she does step into the Oval Office.
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Palin simply does not have the chops to play at this level. She needs a stint as a cabinet member or member of Congress to learn a few things.
Hoover was a Cabinet member, Buchanan had a hugh resume' niether are known as great presidents.
How much of a stint in congress before you are qualified?
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No, Tap. You have made up your mind before she even spoke. You just want anything BUT a democrat. I on the otherhand want anything BUT the status quo.
We need a fresh perspective to focus on the real problems our nation faces, like Ron Paul.
I liked McCain back in 2000, but your idol said he was damaged goods from his time in Hanoi. You knbow, brain damaged from torture...unreliable. He should have been elected in 2000 and the Arabs would have never attacked us. Unfortunately that time has passed, we elected a fool and the ragheads got exactly what they wanted. Bozo in charge and personal freedoms quashed.
Ahh. I like Ron too. But Ron can't name two supreme court justices next term. Ron can't veto a nutball liberal socialist heathcare tax and spend congress.
If he had a snowballs chance in hell I'd vote for him... he ain't at the top of an electable ticket; he don't have that snowballs chance in hell and I wanna stop the liberals.
So I sure as hell ain't voting democrat at the top of the ticket. You got an option that keeps a democrat outta the whitehouse, I'm listinin....
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Regan and one other were older when elected. I'll have to dig it up, but you're wrong. Again :eek:
Actually McCain would be the oldest "to acend to the office", but that's the only age record that would be made if he would win. That still wouldn't make him the oldest to be sworn in, or serve as President.
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Actually McCain would be the oldest "to acend to the office", but that's the only age record that would be made if he would win. That still wouldn't make him the oldest to be sworn in, or serve as President.
Yah; it was the oldest POTUS in history drivel from RPM that got me angry. Just isn't true. Not that the truth is any barries to what I'm reading lately from left publications. Seen the cover of Us Weekly? Babies and deceptions, or some such nonsense? When are Blogs quoted as reliable news sources?
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Yah; it was the oldest POTUS in history drivel that got me angry. Just wasn't true.
Heh, talking point "ballpark facts" <shrug> :lol
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Heh, talking point "ballpark facts" <shrug> :lol
Ronald Reagan was the oldest person ever elected president. He was 73 when he was elected in 1984. McCain's 70.
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She's taken on big business and won. She's taken on entrenched political agendas, corruption, and came out the most popular governor in the USA. I think you, and maybe Iran and N. Korea should tremble if she does step into the Oval Office.
I would rather have her step into the role as President than either Biden or Obama. Thats a no brainer, but I'll take McCain for the short haul :)
She has the strength of character and the individualist spirit of America past that appeals strongly to me.
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Regan and one other were older when elected. I'll have to dig it up, but you're wrong. Again :eek:
Here's where you get to tell us how Regan was a bad president, and that the fall of the USSR had nothing to do with his policies :huh
A simple "I'm wrong and you know what you're talking about" would have been sufficient. But I'll take a simple "I don't know WTF I'm talking about" as an apology.
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Seen the cover of Us Weekly? Babies and deceptions, or some such nonsense? When are Blogs quoted as reliable news sources?
That was on the forefront of my mind when listening to MSNBC comentators whine about the cuts on the media as if it wasn't the media dogpiling on her minor daughters situation.
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A simple "I'm wrong and you know what you're talking about" would have been sufficient. But I'll take a simple "I don't know WTF I'm talking about" as an apology.
Nope, you were wrong. You didn't qualify the details of your statement. "Ballpark facts" don't cut it, but that's what happens when talking points are parroted without checking them out first.
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A simple "I'm wrong and you know what you're talking about" would have been sufficient. But I'll take a simple "I don't know WTF I'm talking about" as an apology.
What?
You're wrong bro. McCain isn't the oldest PoTUS. Regan was 73 when elected in '84. McCain's 70. Where are you going with this? Is it "I'll make it up and shout the loudest to make it true" kind of left wing rhetoric we're hearing lately?
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A simple "I'm wrong and you know what you're talking about" would have been sufficient. But I'll take a simple "I don't know WTF I'm talking about" as an apology.
McCain was born August 29, 1936 he would be 72 when sworn in.
Ronald Reagan was born on February 6, 1911
He was 73 + about 350 days when he was sworn in ... the second time.
In order for to McCain to beat that he would have to be re-elected.
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That was on the forefront of my mind when listening to MSNBC comentators whine about the cuts on the media as if it wasn't the media dogpiling on her minor daughters situation.
That made me feel a bit ill. All of the sudden teen pregnancies are a major concern; Larry King spent like a half hour talking about it, when it was a non-issue to the nation before Palin's daughter got pregnant. With the guy she's engaged to be married to.
Of course, killing a child who survives induced abortion isn't an issue. *edit, reference to Obama's voting record on rights of living children for medical treatment...
But...yeah, a mother in church asking for God's help in guidance for the country's leadership becomes major news.
Did you see the New York Times? Front page...talking about how it will be difficult for a mother of five to be active in the governing of the country. While a few pages later there's an article about how women in Germany are having a hard time with predjudice there about working women and their advancement in the work force.
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He should have been elected in 2000 and the Arabs would have never attacked us.
Hardly.....we had already been attacked by Al-Qaeda, and the plans for 9/11 were already in motion.
Attacks by Al-Qaeda include embassy attacks and the USS Cole.
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McCain was born August 29, 1936 he would be 72 when sworn in.
Ronald Reagan was born on February 6, 1911
He was 73 + ...
RPM stated that McCain would be the oldest president ever to serve. As PoTUS. He was wrong. End of discussion.
If McCain wins he will be the oldest POTUS in history.
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Personally I thought she did a heck of a job on her speech tonight. She spoke well, displayed a sense of humor and didn't come across to strongly or to softly. All in all I think it was a home run speech.
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Ronald Reagan was the oldest person ever elected president. He was 73 when he was elected in 1984. McCain's 70.
Reagan, in his SECOND term, was 73. McCain just turned 72 last week. Get your facts straight .
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Reagan, in his SECOND term, was 73. McCain just turned 72 last week. Get your facts straight .
70....72....whats the difference? Old is old and you still have to go to the geriatrics department when you go to visit the doc. :uhoh
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Fine speech. Did her job and more! You could tell she was speaking from experience. She's not a talker like Obama.
The media has taken off its disguise. They are wolves in wolf clothing.
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If she's ad-libing at this level, what is she going to do at an important weapons negotiation?
I could live with someone like Gingrich, Liberman or Romney. Palin just does not have the chops to play at this level.
Flashing yer tits will not get you a treaty with the Russkies.
Man.... You just can't stop! Just wank at one of her pics or something!
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Ole Joe Biden must be saying Oh ***t
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Here are some facts vs fiction.. as always these speechs are lax on the facts but big on the fiction. Anything to get a raise out of the crowd I guess..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check
ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.
Some examples:
PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."
THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."
PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."
THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.
PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."
THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.
Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.
He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.
MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.
THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.
MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.
THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.
FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."
THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.
FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."
THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.
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Reagan, in his SECOND term, was 73. McCain just turned 72 last week. Get your facts straight .
Ok, so Reagan served when he was 73....McCain will be 72. So his point of the oldest to ever serve being Reagan is correct.
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Here are some facts vs fiction.. as always these speechs are lax on the facts but big on the fiction. Anything to get a raise out of the crowd I guess..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check
Purely curious.
Did you do the same kind of post for Obama/Bidin?
Was there a similar article written after their speeches?
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McCain was born August 29, 1936 he would be 72 when sworn in.
Ronald Reagan was born on February 6, 1911
He was 73 + about 350 days when he was sworn in ... the second time.
In order for to McCain to beat that he would have to be re-elected.
Here I'd like to note that incumbents usually do pretty well at getting re-elected. A two-term McCain presidency would have him going into it at 76-77. That's getting up there.
Reagan was 69 when he first got elected to the White house. If you go by that, then RPM's right. If you go by re-election, Warspawn's correct; We can't assume that McCain would get/persue re-election, but if you count the fact that most president's do get a second term, then McCain will potentially be the oldest by a fair margin.
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Purely curious.
Did you do the same kind of post for Obama/Bidin?
Was there a similar article written after their speeches?
Are you daft man? You are talking to Larry Flynt, you KNOW he hates Palin and is in wubs wif Obamessiah. :devil
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Palin did a fine job; clearly passed the test on what they call her second most important day. First day was the announcement, 2nd the convention and 3rd will be the debate. That's all Veeps can do, score big on those three days. My scorecard has her doing very, very well on Day 1 and Day 2. I think she'll make for an interesting debate opponent for Biden. She seems very likable and speaks in a way that normal (non-political, non-media) people can easily understand and accept.
Good pick; it makes this whole thing more interesting. I'd have ignored the rest if he had picked a snoozer like Romney or Biden.
I really don't watch much of this stuff but I made an exception to see if she could handle the speech. Absolute best part of the evening was after the speech watching MSNBC. Olberman looked like his dog had just died and Matthews looked like that tingle running down his leg this time was urine. :D
God, it is SO clear that the mass media is O-biased that it is simply revolting. Even Andrea Mitchell down on the floor looked like she just found out her Baby Ruth was a dog turd.
As I said, win or lose Palin makes the whole thing more fun to watch.
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Yeah, her disabled infant son was able to communicate to Mom&Co just how loud the noise was. Any infant, disabled or not, should never be exposed to such an environment during their formative years unless you have plans that don't include that child. You can't use your kids as a token.
I'd have had more respect if she left the child with a Nanny at the Hotel instead of using him as a token at the Convo.
Will he remember the Convo?
Will he remember what he heard (WHAT!?!?)?
The only thing the kid will live with is permanent hearing damage.
Pass the hearing aid!
Seriously, I'd have never taken my child to a mass gathering like a political convo. There is nothing for the child to gain from it, only the opportunistic parent.
you are so grasping you make yourself look sad...
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So he speaks in deep thoughts and she speaks in sound bites. Yeah, that's what I'm looking for.
He hasn't spoken in a deep thought YET! "If we can have change, we can have hope" is NOT a clear thought. Obama speaks in clear, concise, ............................. ..........ambiguities.
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PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."
Did Palin pursue money for Wasilla? Sure she did. She was helping her growing community with things like, rail projects, sewer system repairs, museums, youth centers and a mental health center. I don't call those types of things wasteful, or abuse of the system.
PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."
What did bills did he author? He has an Ivy League education after all, lets see that bad boy in action! I don't think I've seen anyone demean what he has done, only what he hasn't done. Authoring bills is a major part of what our legislators do, granted, some are more active about it than others though.
PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."
Your own facts don't dispute this, they only say....my side is raising taxes, but so is yours! Only thing is, your side (Obamessiah) is raising them more.
MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.
Your posted rebuttal does not dispute the fact that Alaska has 20 percent of America's energy supplies. Only that Alaska is 2nd in energy production, McCain didn't mention that. Governors would have a lot more control over their states energy production if the darn Feds would pull their fingers out of things. Really, that is how it should be.
MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.
While it is true that National Guard units are under federal authority when called to active military duty, the State Governors are in command when they call them up due to civilian type emergencies iirc. Your posted rebuttal ignores this fact.
FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."
I'm guessing he meant percentage wise, but failed to state that. 76,000 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia is a pretty pitiful showing by a presidential hopeful.
FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."
Kind of a dumb statement imo. There are big government liberals in Washington, but they are in Congress atm and electing John McCain and Sarah Palin isn't going to do squat about that. I'll take a wild shot in the dark and say the writer really screwed the pooch on this one. ;)
5 of your 7 talking points really have no substance, you're getting better. :D
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God, it is SO clear that the mass media is O-biased that it is simply revolting.
The mass media's bias in general has been quite revolting for a very long time now. There job, imo, is to present us with the issues, what each candidate is for and against and let us decide how we want to vote. Instead those arrogant punks think they somehow have the right to try to sway our votes to their bias.
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It was a one two.. back to back home runs by rudy and then Palin.
Rudy gave the big city guy.. no.. the bigger than chicago guy perspective and very effectively mocked the "community organizer"
Palin got on and came off like.. A person.. someone who could live in your town.. not some gated community or apt in chicago who came down to talk to whiney ghetto folk once in a while but.. like the vast majority of America..
The line about talking about such folks one way to their face and then calling em "bitter folks clinging to their religion and guns" in san francisco was perfect.
I think she cut osamabinbiden to pieces. I think that any woman watching (unless they are a shrill lesbo big city stressed out witch who has had 5 abortions) will feel like she is someone they would love to know and someone they wanted in washington.
She came off like someone who cared more for individual rights than the rights of washington.
I think she turned the tables on osama.. She made him seem like more of the same old liberal washington insider and media hype stuff while portraying herself and Maccain as maverics for the people.
I think that she nuetered the media.. dragged off their covers and exposed em for the biased socialist aholes that they are. I think America will never look at the media the same after the attacks on her.
She didn't come off like a pitiful victim defending herself.. she came off as just folks and tough as nails.
The media didn't make her cry. They can make osamabama cry with just a few harsh words.
lazs
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and rudy's line about osamaba and his voting record.. how he took the tough stance and on a yes or no vote.. more than 130 (or whatever) times screwed up his courage and voted
PRESENT.
The POTUS doesn't get to vote "present"
and.. Palin said something that makes her and Mccain as far away from bush as marx and Regan.. She said that she used the power of the veto as governor.. she knows it works and so does John Mccain.. Mccain will use the power of the veto.
When you have a congress full of the likes of teddy and pelosi and pretty much.. kalifornia making law.. who do you want weilding the power of the veto or the rubber stamp... osamabinbiden or Mccain/Palin?
lazs
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From RealClearPolitics Morning Report:
Clinton aides: Palin treatment sexist" (John Harris and Beth Frerking, The Politico) - Sarah Palin found some unlikely allies Wednesday as leading academics and even former top aides to Hillary Rodham Clinton endorsed the Republican charge that John McCain's running mate has been subject to a sexist double standard by the news media and Democrats.
Lol! ya THINK!
It's so blatant now even Dems are seeing it. :D
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The following is an Email I just banged off to a good friend and business associate of mine
who is also a contractor.
His business is larger then mine but $250K a year in this day and age is NOT a big business by any stretch of the imagination.
"Not sure if you remember the discussion Joe and I were having about taxes and taxing the rich.
Joe might remember my statement of asking him if he thought he should be punished with more taxes for working hard and being successful.
Now I dont know how much your 5 Star makes.
But just doing some quick math in my head based on the amount of guys you have and a general idea of how much income you would have to generate to meet payroll and all its associated expenses.
Its in my opinion a decent guess to say you probably crack the $250K mark. Or at least come very close to it.
An excerpt from an article written about last nights speech.
(I included a link to the complete article on the bottom of the page if you care to read it)
I highlighted the point I'm making
Betcha didn't know you were "rich" or are considered to be among the wealthiest huh?
PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."
THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.
Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.
He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.
Now Obama's plan looks great till you reach the point I highlighted
This is the problem I have with the plans the Democrats keep coming up with.
The way they keep putting it it sounds great
"Taxing the rich" sounds good if we're talking about Cheney or Trump.
That is what most people like you and I consider as being "rich".
But is that really who we are talking about here?
In this case your taxes will go up. We already know its going to hurt you.
Question is. in the long run Is this going to help or hurt your workers in the long run.
Yea they get a bigger tax break. But now you have less money to pay them with because your paying more in taxes.
Would you rather pay your guys more yourself for working hard and earning it because you are taxed less and thus can afford it?
Or would you rather the government force it from you to give to them regardless if they earned it or not?
Just some food for thought"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check
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and rudy's line about osamaba and his voting record.. how he took the tough stance and on a yes or no vote.. more than 130 (or whatever) times screwed up his courage and voted
PRESENT.
The POTUS doesn't get to vote "present"
That was a home run line by Rudy. :rock
Seriously, why would a legislator simply vote PRESENT so many times? Is it really so hard to make up one's mind and vote YES or NO?
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"Tax the rich" :rolleyes: Sorry, I'm not buying it. These "rich" people provide the goods and services we all buy. Tax them and it costs us. Tax GM, and we pay more for cars and trucks. Tax Exxon and we pay more for gas and diesel. Tax WalMart and we pay more for everything. It sounds real cool to say "tax the rich, tax the corporations" until you figure out that YOU pay that taxes when you buy their products and services. At least it sounds cool to some people.
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dred.. the plan did not look good before that... when he said he would increase the "earned income credit"
You do know what that is? if you work two months at walmart.. you will not only get every cent you put into taxes but.. you will get a huge check from those who have earned.. it is simply a redistribution of wealth.
I do agree with you that $250k is not a lot of money for a business.. it is shoestring here in kalifornia.. it will kill small business which is the real backbone of the economy.
I admit that I do like that both parties are trying to bribe us into voting for them in ever more desperate and outrageous ways and giving us back more and more of our money back....
ON PAPER
Do I believe that any democrat pres with a democrat house will give back tax money? not in this lifetime.
Will Mccain give back 3%.. probly.. sounds about right but it won't even happen till 2 years into his term is my guess.
lazs
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dred.. the plan did not look good before that... when he said he would increase the "earned income credit"
You do know what that is? if you work two months at walmart.. you will not only get every cent you put into taxes but.. you will get a huge check from those who have earned.. it is simply a redistribution of wealth.
I do agree with you that $250k is not a lot of money for a business.. it is shoestring here in kalifornia.. it will kill small business which is the real backbone of the economy.
I admit that I do like that both parties are trying to bribe us into voting for them in ever more desperate and outrageous ways and giving us back more and more of our money back....
ON PAPER
Do I believe that any democrat pres with a democrat house will give back tax money? not in this lifetime.
Will Mccain give back 3%.. probly.. sounds about right but it won't even happen till 2 years into his term is my guess.
lazs
The discussion my buddy Joe and I were having a few weeks ago were over taxes. He supported "taxing the rich". Because of the rhetoric the Dems put out of them being able to afford it.
I mentioned the trickle down effect it would have much in the same way Vigil put it. and also asked him that if he built his business up enough to the point where he was rich if he thought he should be punished with more taxes for working hard.
this was before I'd seen the actual numbers.
Turns out according to the Democrats. He is Rich. LOL
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Two democratic lawyers as running mates, i'll pass on there idea of change.
Oh, and i really enjoyed watching Palins speach. She did well in bringing to light someone i know very little about.
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yep.. reminds me of the way the democrats say they only want "reasonable" gun laws.. they just want to keep guns out of the wrong hands....
Turns out.. we all have the "wrong" hands. The devil is in the detail.. I love that the dems are so desperate that they are trying to bribe us with more and more and more of our own money... but. they are more trying to bribe those who earn nothing with the horrible "earned income credit" a total socialist redistribution of wealth thing.
the math doesn't add up.. you can't give everyone more and more and more.. free everything curtesy of the saintly and efficient government and then charge us less and less and less and.. somehow.. make only the evil rich pay for it all.
I am not sure who is still buying this bitter class warfare stuff or this poor.. downtrodden low income "worker" crap.
lazs
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"I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town. I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA . . . because I wanted to make my kids' public education better," said the former mayor of Wasilla, Alaska (population 8,471). "And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-rnc-04sep04,0,1078669.column
Good essay from the Chicago Trib. Really great!
And from The Telegraph -- another great essay comparing Palin to Thatcher: "Like Margaret Thatcher before her, Mrs Palin is coming in for both barrels of Left-wing contempt: misogyny and snobbery. Where Lady Thatcher was dismissed as a "grocer's daughter" by people who called themselves egalitarian, Mrs Palin is regarded as a small-town nobody by those who claim to represent "ordinary people". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/09/04/do0404.xml
And lastly, "There is, however, one area where we might have seen real change. The Democrats could have not nominated another lawyer. This may partly explain why former military officer John McCain and working-mom Sarah Palin are polling near even with Obama and his running mate, Joe Biden, in a year that otherwise favors the Democrats." http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/want_real_change_quit_nominati.html
If you want lawyers running things vote Obama/Biden.
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If you want lawyers running things vote Obama/Biden.
I can't believe my eyes :P
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I am not sure who is still buying this bitter class warfare stuff or this poor.. downtrodden low income "worker" crap.
lazs
The young, the dumb and the poor .. you know the dumbarsecrat base...
Sad thing is, if the dems don't fool enough voters this time round, they will the next..
We have an entire generation who have more credit card debt than they have in savings and still they feel they "deserve" more and don't think they have to pay for it.
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Beautiful speech. The hacks at MSNBC looked like they had just received a cancer diagnosis. Mrs. Smith & Wesson goes to Washington.
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I found this bit of commentary the most disheartening. How did we let it happen? No matter which side of Rep/Dem you are on this says a lot about how our system really works.
John McCain is hoping that after two decades of elections dominated by aristocrats -- the first election in 28 years without a Bush or a Clinton on either ticket -- America is ready for a shake-up, but the establishment doesn't think an outsider could ever handle it -- and shouldn't be given the chance to try.
28 YEARS! WTH? How asleep at the switch can we get?
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I found this bit of commentary the most disheartening. How did we let it happen? No matter which side of Rep/Dem you are on this says a lot about how our system really works.
28 YEARS! WTH? How asleep at the switch can we get?
Yup. It's official... last night was the opening salvo in the class/culture war. The welfare based urban crawler social engineers just ran into small town american values and concerns. The battle lines are being drawn..
I'm impressed, surprised and heartened... seems I'm not alone anymore.
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That has to be a first for Republican politicians.
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McCain's son is a Marine that has already done a tour or two in Iraq.
ack-ack
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BTW, Palin did so well overall that the monkey is now on McC's back.
He has to hit a grand slam tonight, otherwise she looks like the one that should be at the top of the ticket. Plus, he has to somehow articulate "that vision thing" if he hopes to have a chance of winning.
He's not the greatest speaker; not nearly as good as Palin was last night. If he pulls a George-I-have-my-tongue-wrapped-around-my-shoe-Bush, McC is toast. Game over.
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BTW, Palin did so well overall that the monkey is now on McC's back.
He has to hit a grand slam tonight, otherwise she looks like the one that should be at the top of the ticket. Plus, he has to somehow articulate "that vision thing" if he hopes to have a chance of winning.
He's not the greatest speaker; not nearly as good as Palin was last night. If he pulls a George-I-have-my-tongue-wrapped-around-my-shoe-Bush, McC is toast. Game over.
Yup. Tonight, he's gotta be 'John Wayne McCain'. Tall, proud, determined and larger than life. If he doesn't deliver... game over come November.
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game over come November.
On Novemebr 3rd we will find out about Biden and the male Paige right after we find out about Obama and the underage prostitute.
Obviously conjecture on my part but hey..........anything is possible.
Lots of things could happen bewteen the proverbial "now and then" and the depravity that is politics in America will find new lows in the 21st century.
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THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."
As mayor of Wasilla, it was Paliin's job to look out for the citizens of Wasilla. Getting 27 million in federal dollars for Wasilla was looking out for the taxpayers of Wasilla.
Alaska has a population of 670,000 as of 2006. California, 36,457,549
Spend 1 billion in Alaska, $1,492 per capita spend 1 billion in California, $27 per capita.
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Here I'd like to note that incumbents usually do pretty well at getting re-elected. A two-term McCain presidency would have him going into it at 76-77. That's getting up there.
Reagan was 69 when he first got elected to the White house. If you go by that, then RPM's right. If you go by re-election, Warspawn's correct; We can't assume that McCain would get/persue re-election, but if you count the fact that most president's do get a second term, then McCain will potentially be the oldest by a fair margin.
Wilson FDR Ike Reagan Clinton (5) 2 full term presidents in the 20th century.
McKinley, TR, Taft, Harding, Cooledge, Truman, JFK, Johnson, Nixon*, Ford, Carter, GHWBush, (12) less than 2 full term presidents in the 20th century.
Since George Washington, the average time in the white house is only 5 years, 1 month, 3 1/2 days
*was re-elected
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Wow the hits keep on coming.. now that the fact checking starts happening from her speech..
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/politics/animal/main4414049.shtml
Some notable quotes...
First was about her claim to support disabled children.. (actions speak louder than words it seems)
Palin: "To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters. I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House."
Sarah Palin might have changed her mind on this one recently. However, a comment here notes that Palin actually slashed funding for schools for special needs kids by 62%. Budgets: FY 2007 (pre-Palin), 2008, 2009 (all pdfs).
Next is more info on the bridge to no where... Seems she supported it before she was aginst it and she actually had nothing to do with turning the money down.. (she wasn't even Govenor at the time the money was approved to be used for something else, so she didn't tell congress a damn thing)
Palin: "I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves."
Just to reiterate what others have said: Congress' requirement that funds be spent on that bridge (aka the 'earmark') were removed before Sarah Palin became governor. She was therefore in no position to tell Congress anything about the bridge, one way or the other. During her campaign, she said she supported funding for the bridge. Brad Plumer, citing the Anchorage Dialy News via Nexis:
"5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?
Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."
Later, she accepted the money -- now not restricted by an earmark -- and used it for other infrastructure projects. Here's her statement about why she wasn't building the bridge (also via Plumer.) Decide for yourselves what role a principled opposition to earmark funding plays in it. Hint: here's what residents of Ketchikan AK said when they heard her recent remarks:
"In the city Ketchikan, the planned site of the so-called "Bridge to Nowhere," political leaders of both parties said the claim was false and a betrayal of their community, because she had supported the bridge and the earmark for it secured by Alaska's Congressional delegation during her run for governor. (..)
"People are learning that she pandered to us by saying, I'm for this' ... and then when she found it was politically advantageous for her nationally, abruptly she starts using the very term that she said was insulting," Weinstein said."
There are a few other quotes from her speech that didn't ring true either. It's looking more and more like this woman is nothing more than a hot air bag and full of BS.
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Ok. I see you are moved. I suggest you don't vote for the top of the republican ticket... they won't do anything to help your personal condition.
*yawn*
Next?
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Next is more info on the bridge to no where... Seems she supported it before she was aginst it and she actually had nothing to do with turning the money down.. (she wasn't even Govenor at the time the money was approved to be used for something else, so she didn't tell congress a damn thing)
A press release issued by the governor on September 21, 2007 said she decided to cancel state work on the project because of rising cost estimates.
"It's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island," Palin said in the news release. "Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here."
Palin canceled state work on the project.
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As mayor of Wasilla, it was Paliin's job to look out for the citizens of Wasilla. Getting 27 million in federal dollars for Wasilla was looking out for the taxpayers of Wasilla.
Alaska has a population of 670,000 as of 2006. California, 36,457,549
Spend 1 billion in Alaska, $1,492 per capita spend 1 billion in California, $27 per capita.
So in other words you are agreeing that she was for earmarks when it was good for her political advancement (which happened to be even while she was campaigning for governor) Then she was against them when it was once again for the benefit of her political advancement. The best part was she didn't give the money back.. like she claimed. She still spent it once it was no longer considered a "earmark".
I'm pretty sure in George Bush terms that's called a "flip flopper". :rofl
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Ok. I see you are moved. I suggest you don't vote for the top of the republican ticket... they won't do anything to help your personal condition.
*yawn*
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Oh don't worry I wont be voting for her.. however it's funny watching some of you squirming to ignore the facts just so you have an excuse to support someone who isn't up to the job. This whole thing pretty much makes all those Obama rants here on this board quite ironic.
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I think Palin was a poor choice for VP .... but she gave a great speech. She came across very well and did what she needed to do. She's clearly comfortable with crowds and camera, she's articulate and makes a great impression. As for not having any policy details, that's not the point of this type of speech. None of these convention speeches in either party are going to have much in the way of meat and potatoes, it's all about sound bites, firing up the faithful and trying to appeal to the independents that are going to determine this election.
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Oh don't worry I wont be voting for her.. however it's funny watching some of you squirming to ignore the facts just so you have an excuse to support someone who isn't up to the job. This whole thing pretty much makes all those Obama rants here on this board quite ironic.
The only one squirming is you ... your fanatical attention to her and the feverish amount of posts and links by you to try and discredit her is bordering on "stalking" ... :D
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i think she did a very good job last night, my favorite part "whats the difference between a hokey mom and a pitbull-lipstick"
-BigBOBCH
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The only one squirming is you ... your fanatical attention to her and the feverish amount of posts and links by you to try and discredit her is bordering on "stalking" ... :D
:aok
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Oh don't worry I wont be voting for her.. however it's funny watching some of you squirming to ignore the facts just so you have an excuse to support someone who isn't up to the job. This whole thing pretty much makes all those Obama rants here on this board quite ironic.
Wanna see Democrats at their best? Take a gander at the State of Michigan. Engler looks like a Saint compared the "Twin Cheek nippled" Jennifer Granholm. She's destroyed the State. She refused to step in and take care of the Detroit Mayoral Scandals.
I'm not a Republican or a Democrat. I'm as Moderate as they come. "Obama rant"? Only ones "ranting" for the last 8 years have been the Democrats because somehow Gore failing to win his HOMESTATE, managed to deflect attention to Florida. Then fast forward to 2004 and Kerry "not campaigning behind his prior military service", only to bring it up every chance he could.
All I've heard from Dem's is the following: "We have a moron in the White House." Well, what does that tell you about the Democratic Party? If Bush is such a "moron", then he would be placed above the Democrats on the "Intelligence Ladder", right?
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Gore didn't win his home state because we KNOW what a POS lying scumbag he is.
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Oh don't worry I wont be voting for her.. however it's funny watching some of you squirming to ignore the facts just so you have an excuse to support someone who isn't up to the job. This whole thing pretty much makes all those Obama rants here on this board quite ironic.
A lot of your facts have turned out to be not so factual. You keep trying to use the earmarks while she was Mayor as an issue. It's a non issue, how do you think small towns get improvements done? They get state and federal money to help out. Besides, she isn't against earmarks in general, she is just against wasteful spending and abuse of the system.
Wasilla was and is a growing community, and as such it needed some basic upgrades. She got the job done via earmarks.
Despite the fact that most of us can see the difference between wasteful spending and abusing a system and doing things that are needed and helpful, you will continue to wave this issue around like it's some sort of trump card.
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Gore didn't win his home state because we KNOW what a POS lying scumbag he is.
We know that, the whiners don't. :D :aok
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So in other words you are agreeing that she was for earmarks when it was good for her political advancement (which happened to be even while she was campaigning for governor) Then she was against them when it was once again for the benefit of her political advancement. The best part was she didn't give the money back.. like she claimed. She still spent it once it was no longer considered a "earmark".
I'm pretty sure in George Bush terms that's called a "flip flopper". :rofl
I agree she was working for her constituents as Mayor and asked for federal funding for municipal projects. Any mayor who does not try to get additional funding is derelict in duty.
She shut down Alaska state work on the BTN when it seemed the project was doomed. I only wish Massachusetts had done that. Then we could have saved the 8 billion plus that the big dig is over budget.
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We know that, the whiners don't. :D :aok
LOL, I guess I never put my location back in after the boards changed. Murfreesboro Tennessee. Fixed it.
By the way,my Dad worked for Al Gore SR, they were close friends.
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LOL, I guess I never put my location back in after the boards changed. Murfreesboro Tennessee.
I know where you live bro. I was merely agreeing with my "Southern Brother from a different Mother." :D
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I know where you live bro. I was merely agreeing with my "Southern Brother from a different Mother." :D
I know you knew, I figured there were plenty who didn't.
I buried one of my brothers today. My Mom had even pretty much adopted him. I'm just a little moody, losing a guy who really was like a brother to me for 30 years.
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I know you knew, I figured there were plenty who didn't.
I buried one of my brothers today. My Mom had even pretty much adopted him. I'm just a little moody, losing a guy who really was like a brother to me for 30 years.
Sorry to hear that.
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I know you knew, I figured there were plenty who didn't.
I buried one of my brothers today. My Mom had even pretty much adopted him. I'm just a little moody, losing a guy who really was like a brother to me for 30 years.
Sorry to hear of your loss, Captain.
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I was unaware of Palin's existance just a week ago, so I have yet to form an opinion as to anything other than here speaking abilities.
So I looked up her bio in my favorite political rag, and here it is:
Sarah Palin
(http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Palin.jpg)
General Political Philosophy:
Chestnut brown with amber highlights
Advice For Women Beginning In Politics:
"If you work hard and keep your nose clean, you too can have a rich, powerful man come and whisk you off to Washington."
Beauty Contest Victories:
1984 Miss Wasilla, 1984 Miss Alaska, 2008 Republican Vice-Presidential Nomination
Unwed Pregnant Teens Receiving Funding From Palin Administration:
1
Largest Budget Allocation:
The Wasilla Pipeline To God
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I know you knew, I figured there were plenty who didn't.
I buried one of my brothers today. My Mom had even pretty much adopted him. I'm just a little moody, losing a guy who really was like a brother to me for 30 years.
Sorry for your loss Virg.
<S>
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I know you knew, I figured there were plenty who didn't.
I buried one of my brothers today. My Mom had even pretty much adopted him. I'm just a little moody, losing a guy who really was like a brother to me for 30 years.
Check your PM's.
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Thanks guys, I'm fine. Back around Father's Day, I lost a good friend I'd known and raced with for 30 years. Last weekend, I raced at one of our local tracks for the first time since he died, and of course, without him for the first time. I took a little time to reflect, and as I did, another friend, Jimmy, came over to talk. We talked a minute and he asked what I had on my mind. So I told him, "this weekend is the first time I've raced here without Ronnie". And he looked at me and said, "No, Ronnie is here, he's all around us," and he pointed to my chest and said "and he's there, too." Sunday night, an idiot pulled out in front of my friend, 3 miles from his home, on his Harley, and my friend died in the helicopter on the way to the hospital. Last night, at the visitation, as we stood around, someone said "I can't believe he's gone". Then it dawned on me, Jimmy was right. I looked around the group and I said,"No, Bubba is not gone, he's here with us, he brought us all together, for the first time in years." And I pointed to everyone's chest, and said, "and he's there too, in our hearts, because he meant that much to us, and we meant that much to him."
So tonight, I raised a beer, and toasted my brother. And soon, I'll stop shedding these selfish tears, and smile like Bubba always made me smile. And I'm going to finish my bike, so we can start an annual toy ride in his memory, he never had kids, but he loved mine like they were his.
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that's just awful... my condolences to you and the families. sounds like they were both pretty special people. Sounds like you've been real lucky to have shared some time here with 'em.
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She's a pawn in a lame dirty game. The only thing she portrayed were the words off a teleprompter that some bellybutton kissin power hungry party heads wrote for her. Same with Barry Obomya. Republicans and Democrats just pander to whoever their tryin to suck up to on that particular day.
Oh and thanks to that redneck woman chick for bombing the climax note of our national anthem :frown:
even the "entertainment" sucked :D
I love my country it has given me all that I have.....I just hope these shizsacks aren't gonna run it into the ground. A nation of independent people my ass....follow the herd sheeps.
Actually, the teleprompter crapped out halfway through, and she didn't miss a beat, unlike some certain Dem nominees who shall go un-named
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I know you knew, I figured there were plenty who didn't.
I buried one of my brothers today. My Mom had even pretty much adopted him. I'm just a little moody, losing a guy who really was like a brother to me for 30 years.
sorry to hear that, my condolences.
:salute
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Actually, the teleprompter crapped out halfway through, and she didn't miss a beat, unlike some certain Dem nominees who shall go un-named
Seriously.....if that's true, I am even more impressed with her than I was last night.
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Mark my words
She's a wolf in sheeps clothing.
I think the opposition is going to find her to be more formidable then they anticipate.
I predict that not only will she do well in the debates.
But will actually do better then McCain.
She will show up well versed,Well prepared and quick on her feet.
Even should McCain loose. I dont think we will have heard the last of her in Washington.
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Wow, I really hate to hear that Virgil. But you are right. They are always here in our heart.
Hang in there buddy. <S>
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you guys do realize that in a town of any size.. that they have a staff of people who's sole job is to find grant money from the state and feds to improve the city and city projects.. that in smaller towns the city manager and mayor have to do that work. Our city was very bad at it and we suffered... many cities are good at it and they prosper.
Any time you can get any of your money back from the fed or the state it is a good thing.
lazs