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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: toonces3 on September 04, 2008, 01:28:20 AM
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Ok, please feel free to insert tears wherever necessary.
I think I'm about done fellas and Betty.
I've been playing almost 18 months now. Lately, I'm just not feeling the love, nor the point.
We all hear the phrase, "the game has changed, it's not the same as it was (fill in the time period)..." But, having a whopping year and a half in, I really do feel like I sense a game change, and not all for the better.
First, I seem utterly unable to find a 'good fight' at least on a regular basis.
When I first joined, I fought in all the arenas. I mostly enjoyed the late war MA. I'm surprised in that I actually found quite a few 1v1's in the LW MA. I don't know why. Maybe it was the smaller maps. Maybe it was a different player base. Maybe (probably) it was just luck.
But when the LW MA wasn't working, I always knew I could count on the AvA.
Second, my attitude to the AvA has definately evolved. At first, I felt it should be an extension of the MA...another arena with MA play, but with historical maps and planesets. The AvA has evolved alot since I first started. Perhaps the peak, imo, was the country play with the tiny maps. Talk about intense fights! Base capture on a map 6 or 8 squares a side. Uber sticks like Ded, Kong, Trukill, N7, Oldman, 1Duke1, Storch, and so on. You want to fight, go grab your 109 or jug and stand the heck by. But, even then, you could get the 1v1. I learned more after getting shot down by N7 or Storch, and then having them meet me to re-engage again over and over until the lessons sunk in... and of course they called their squad buddies off during a fight. But now we have what we have.
I commend Shifty and crowd for doing their best. Is it good or bad? Well, it's different. Last time I got in the AvA I got beat on like the MA, but with a much longer commute.
Third, so I have been trying the DA. I admit, I'm a newcomer to the DA. The only time I went in there, prior to the 'new' AvA, was on drunken Friday nights to go against a squaddie for kicks. Lately, instead of dueling buddies, I've been hitting 'furball lake.' Now don't get me wrong, furball lake is what it is. I don't go wading in expecting everyone to stop what they're doing to fight me. In fact, I use it as a way to get my SA up fast, or to just experiment: how well does a K-4 handle low and outnumbered 1 v 3?
But, tonight for example, it was low numbers; yet folks fight like it means something. Like that perk plane actually, you know, cost perks, or you got perks for a kill. I mean, I chased some clown in his C-hog, till his buddy knocked me off. Yeah, I knew his bud was back there. I was so mad that this clown wouldn't fight, that I was pwning but couldn't hit his sloshy bum 600 yards out with my tater gun...and then, fight after fight, I'd get isolated with a guy to have his unseen, 6.0k+ countryman come in to whack me deep into a turning, scissoring fight, or the time I engaged the temp disadvantaged, maneuvered, ate up the angles, and then had his boy in the spit clear me off, and I flew off then augered in frustration...and then guys are landing and congratulating themselves for landing in the freaking dueling arena! Like WHY? Is HTC putting the top guy in the DA on the front page anytime soon?
Finally, these big maps. Ok, you can't please everyone all of the time. But, c'mon man. You got 80-150 guys on one of these maps and it's a freaking ghost town. Tonight I actually found the 'high numbers' arena, got going a bit, and folks are banging down the FH and VH, to capture the base. But, you know, you knock down all those hangars and, like, who are we supposed to fight?
So here I am. 18 months later on a Wednesday night and I am freaking bored. I'm just not feeling it. I suppose some of this is growing pains. I'm not an expert. But, I can hold my own with most folks on here for a few turns. I can land kills in most planes. If I have any real problem now, it's that I can't survive hugely outnumbered, and that I really need some time to hold my guns on someone to kill them; my gunnery needs work. But if I can get a con isolated, I can give him a good fight for a bit. But, I don't want to just survive. I actually want to just fight. I don't have alot of time to play in a given night. I need to get on, get in some fights, and then go to bed. So, lately I've been saying to hell with score or any other measure of success (except fun) and I've been upping whatever I feel like flying, finding that proverbial 'biggest red darbar' and then wading in at 6k. And you know what? I get 3 or 4 or every red con in the vicinity dogging my tail, and I'm just not good enough to win 3 v 1 yet. And dying every sortie, while exciting, just isn't all that fun either.
I'm not sure what's left. I think I'm about done. I have 900 perks in fighters. I keep holding onto those, like they're my nest egg. I keep telling myself that before I leave, I'm gonna burn those bad boys up. All that work; I'm not giving them back to HTC for free.
I suppose if y'all see me upping 262's, that means the end is at hand.
I see alot of folks with years in this game. I keep wondering, "how?" I don't really have an interest in another online game like Eve or Everquest or Warhammer. Yet, I'm not feeling the hook to keep me here either.
I suppose this warrants as a generic whine. I hope at least my whine ranked well.
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Toonces
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Take some time off from the game. Dont quit on a whim, lose all those perks, and then decide you cant live without it.
Im not as enthused as I was either, and I have about the same time in the game as you. I still enjoy it but dont log the hours I used to. Some evenings I'll turn off the puter and just watch TV instead..
Im a little put off but what I see as more gamey play too. Its hard finding 1 on 1s that are allowed to play out and theres to much gangbanging, either or, in the MAs. Now that schools back in Mon thru Fri. gameplay during the day is much improved but thats also the time of day Im at work too.
Dont speak of "ends". Playing the game is only part of it all. A bigger part is the people you meet and fly with.
Take some time off. Your just suffering from a bit of burnout for awhile.
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Maybe you have hit a stages. Your stuck in a rut. You keep doing the same things, including the same moves over and over and still ain't getting any where. If you fly as Toonces3 I checked your score, and you suck :D Just kidding, but your right, your aim needs work, and you die alot.
Set some time aside to work with the trainers. If your not having any fun in the other arenas any way, it won't be a waste of time. They can help you get over that hump and move on the the next stage where your aim is a bit better, you look to kill 5 before RTBin, you survive long enough to kill off a couple in odd numbered engagements and so on.
If your bored with what your doing, change what your doin :D
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This, like any other game is only as good as you make it.
What I mean by that is if you aren't happy with what you're doing...change something. I use to fly every plane available, every tour and that was fine for a while. Then I started flying one and only one plane per tour. Now I've got it narrowed down to where I almost always fly the same plane. Sound boring? Not really. It allows me to know the plane inside out. When I get bored with that I'll pick another plane and fly it exclusively.
Also, you might consider getting involved with other aspects of the game. In my case, it's terrains. When I just don't feel like flying I work on a terrain or two. And when I am flying/gv'ing I'm paying close attention to how every map plays and the comments from the players actually in the game (The forums are far from a majority concensus despite what posters think). Almost every day I come out of the game with some mental note about the terrains that I can apply to a new terrain.
There are other areas you might want to look in to. You'd be surprised how they can spark a new interest in the game.
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Ok, please feel free to insert tears wherever necessary.
I think I'm about done fellas and Betty.
I've been playing almost 18 months now. Lately, I'm just not feeling the love, nor the point.
We all hear the phrase, "the game has changed, it's not the same as it was (fill in the time period)..." But, having a whopping year and a half in, I really do feel like I sense a game change, and not all for the better.
First, I seem utterly unable to find a 'good fight' at least on a regular basis.NOT tring to be mean, but every time i've come across you, you have always been up in the outter atmosphere. no good fights up there.
When I first joined, I fought in all the arenas. I mostly enjoyed the late war MA. I'm surprised in that I actually found quite a few 1v1's in the LW MA. I don't know why. Maybe it was the smaller maps. Maybe it was a different player base. Maybe (probably) it was just luck.
try MW. there's almost alwas good fights in there. there are some landgrabbers in there, but that only makes for more fun fights. i spent an hour and a half last night helping defend a vbase, which kept bringing 1 or 2 at a time in, making for some nice dogfights.
But when the LW MA wasn't working, I always knew I could count on the AvA.
Second, my attitude to the AvA has definately evolved. At first, I felt it should be an extension of the MA...another arena with MA play, but with historical maps and planesets. The AvA has evolved alot since I first started. Perhaps the peak, imo, was the country play with the tiny maps. Talk about intense fights! Base capture on a map 6 or 8 squares a side. Uber sticks like Ded, Kong, Trukill, N7, Oldman, 1Duke1, Storch, and so on. You want to fight, go grab your 109 or jug and stand the heck by. But, even then, you could get the 1v1. I learned more after getting shot down by N7 or Storch, and then having them meet me to re-engage again over and over until the lessons sunk in... and of course they called their squad buddies off during a fight. But now we have what we have.
I commend Shifty and crowd for doing their best. Is it good or bad? Well, it's different. Last time I got in the AvA I got beat on like the MA, but with a much longer commute.
Third, so I have been trying the DA. I admit, I'm a newcomer to the DA. The only time I went in there, prior to the 'new' AvA, was on drunken Friday nights to go against a squaddie for kicks. Lately, instead of dueling buddies, I've been hitting 'furball lake.' Now don't get me wrong, furball lake is what it is. I don't go wading in expecting everyone to stop what they're doing to fight me. In fact, I use it as a way to get my SA up fast, or to just experiment: how well does a K-4 handle low and outnumbered 1 v 3?
But, tonight for example, it was low numbers; yet folks fight like it means something. Like that perk plane actually, you know, cost perks, or you got perks for a kill. I mean, I chased some clown in his C-hog, till his buddy knocked me off. Yeah, I knew his bud was back there. I was so mad that this clown wouldn't fight, that I was pwning but couldn't hit his sloshy bum 600 yards out with my tater gun...and then, fight after fight, I'd get isolated with a guy to have his unseen, 6.0k+ countryman come in to whack me deep into a turning, scissoring fight, or the time I engaged the temp disadvantaged, maneuvered, ate up the angles, and then had his boy in the spit clear me off, and I flew off then augered in frustration...and then guys are landing and congratulating themselves for landing in the freaking dueling arena! Like WHY? Is HTC putting the top guy in the DA on the front page anytime soon?
haven't been to DA anytime recently, but if you came into a fight from higher up, then i figure these guys are gonna run, and try to set ya up. there may also be the possibility that a few in there are guys that used to just play the 8player free.
Finally, these big maps. Ok, you can't please everyone all of the time. But, c'mon man. You got 80-150 guys on one of these maps and it's a freaking ghost town. Tonight I actually found the 'high numbers' arena, got going a bit, and folks are banging down the FH and VH, to capture the base. But, you know, you knock down all those hangars and, like, who are we supposed to fight?
with that many people, just get together with a couple guys, and pick an enemy base. start leveling it. take your time. sooner or later, they'll mass and you'll have a very nice furball on your hands
So here I am. 18 months later on a Wednesday night and I am freaking bored. I'm just not feeling it. I suppose some of this is growing pains. I'm not an expert. But, I can hold my own with most folks on here for a few turns. I can land kills in most planes. If I have any real problem now, it's that I can't survive hugely outnumbered, and that I really need some time to hold my guns on someone to kill them; my gunnery needs work. But if I can get a con isolated, I can give him a good fight for a bit. But, I don't want to just survive. I actually want to just fight. I don't have alot of time to play in a given night. I need to get on, get in some fights, and then go to bed. So, lately I've been saying to hell with score or any other measure of success (except fun) and I've been upping whatever I feel like flying, finding that proverbial 'biggest red darbar' and then wading in at 6k. And you know what? I get 3 or 4 or every red con in the vicinity dogging my tail, and I'm just not good enough to win 3 v 1 yet. And dying every sortie, while exciting, just isn't all that fun either.fly with a wingman. even the odds.
I'm not sure what's left. I think I'm about done. I have 900 perks in fighters. I keep holding onto those, like they're my nest egg. I keep telling myself that before I leave, I'm gonna burn those bad boys up. All that work; I'm not giving them back to HTC for free.
I suppose if y'all see me upping 262's, that means the end is at hand.
I see alot of folks with years in this game. I keep wondering, "how?" I don't really have an interest in another online game like Eve or Everquest or Warhammer. Yet, I'm not feeling the hook to keep me here either.
I suppose this warrants as a generic whine. I hope at least my whine ranked well.
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Toonces
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Any perception that the game or player behavior has changed in a year and a half is false. Players in competitive online flight sims have exhibited the same dweeby behavior for decades. Why do you think they wrote the "Book of Dweeb" in the Warbirds community 10+ years ago? The only thing that's changed is you.
Steve wrote:
You know the guys, the guys that "live for the fight" and then curse at you for not giving up whatever advantage you developed to fight them evenly... Part of the MA environment and combat is the events that occur before the merge. Positioning, load out, angle, timing, plane choice. All this is part of the combat sequence that the "Live for the fight" guys fail to see as part of the equation.
And the mystical 1vs1 duel that you're failing to find is largely caused by impatience and a desire not to see the main arena as the big complicated symphony that it is.
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toonces, you'll find it is probably you that has changed. you'll be a far better pilot and more experienced in how the game works, so your standards for what constitutes a good fight will have changed. don't worry, it happens to all of us :)
it's a burn period, but i promise after you learn to relax about it you start having more fun than ever. go for the areas where there's a load of guys and have a mad furball like normal, and you will soon realise that it creates great opportunities for 1 v 1 fights.
perhaps i can't talk, i haven't played in about 6 months, been away and now i get back my PC's dead and i haven't got round to fixing it... so perhaps the game has changed, but i assure you everyone gets that feeling after 1-2 years, but it soon passes. stick with it :)
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Any perception that the game or player behavior has changed in a year and a half is false. Players in competitive online flight sims have exhibited the same dweeby behavior for decades.
Disagree.
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I'm sorry to hear that Toonces. Of all the fights I've had in this game, I still remember the 3 we had 1v1 in the AvA one night.
Without a doubt the best fights I have ever had. :salute
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Are you gonna sell your equipment on E-bay, or in the classifieds in your local paper?
I could use some b/u equipment.
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Keep the 262 parked on the ground and take a month or two, or three off. I suspect you'll want to resume play before 90 days pss by. As a few have said, your burnout isn't so unusual.
Frankly, I don't think the game was ever about, or meant to be about 1v1's. In the 7 yrs I've been playing AH, I've probably had about 20 really good toss and tumble smackdowns...the kind that raise your blood pressure about 20% :D
I dunno if you're in a squad. If you are, grab a squaddie and head to the DA for some 1v1's. There's a lot of great sticks who are always willing to duke out a few fights in the DA...Dedalos and Skyrock come to mind.
Keep your account alive, go smell the roses for a few weeks and we'll cya back soon :salute
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You keep doing the same things, including the same moves over and over and still ain't getting any where. If you fly as Toonces3 I checked your score, and you suck :D Just kidding, but your right, your aim needs work, and you die alot.
Toonces' flying is just fine; as we all know, the stats are a poor indicator - if they're any indicator at all - of pilot skill. He picked up on ACM very quickly. I don't think he's complaining about any perceived inability to get kills, he's complaining about the process itself.
Toonces, dude, many of us have been flying AW, Warbirds and/or AH since the mid 1990s (and some longer than that!). Over that sort of time span you do see broad changes in the quality of the combat, probably because the player base changes, sometimes as a result of game structure. I sense that right now both of these factors are in play. More, it seems to me that there has been a noticeable change over the past five or six years in the value that most players place on individual dogfighting skills. I make no judgment call on this - the game supports all kinds of play - but it does mean that what once was a majority is now a diminishing minority. The AvA is a prime example of this. Up through the end of 2007, when the new War setups started, you could get some of the very best small-numbers air combat fights there - but you could also fly around by yourself for an hour and no one else would come into the arena (ask me how I know this). Probably the dedicated DA people have similar stories to tell about the period before HTC put the lake thing in there. The War has brought the AvA numbers up, and it is now possible to get a fight on nights when there would have been no fights at all.
I digress. The important thing, so far as I'm concerned, is that even though you don't get as many good fights as you once did, you won't get ANY air combat fights if you put on tights and play World of Warcraft or one of those other elf games. Stick with us, and do what you can to teach others that there is still glory to be found in individual fights against skilled opponents.
- oldman
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I hit a brick wall 7 months ago then got sick and didn't play for almost a month solid. The break was nice and when i came back i just did a bit of every thing. I enjoy myself much more now and take what ever the map and numbers offer.
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I agree with Toonces, 100%.
Now, we have hordes leveling/caping/vulching bases while a sector away the other side does the same thing to another undefended base.
Gavagai, I hate to say it but you are dead wrong.
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I feel the same way sometimes. I look at the map and think what's the point. But then I up a plane and end up playing for a couple of hours.
Last camp I started really well. I had some good luck and was running my all time best fighter stats. Then everything fell apart. I went for 2-3 weeks without landing a multiple kill sortie. I was disgusted.
Every camp I put together a list of those planes that I'm behind the arena averages in K/D and another list of those I need to fly to keep them in my recently flown list or to get them to a minimum kills + deaths number that I set for those I've done well in. All of this based on 6 months data. Yes, I keep a speadsheet. I'm a nerd.
So anyway, back to last camp. Disgusted with my performance and hardly wanting to log on, the holiday weekend came. What was I going to do with all this time if not play? I grabbed my list(s) which I hadn't really touched all camp and which contained ~40-50 planes and started going through the list. I went from top to bottom. Regardless of the circumstances on the map I just took up the next plane on the list and flew it. One sortie per plane. In two days I had gone through the entire list, had a blast doing it and turned around my misfortunes of the prior weeks. It was the most fun I had all camp. In fact, between the first and second day I couldn't wait to get back on and get to the next plane on the list.
I ended up in situations with numbers, outnumbered, buff hunting in planes I wouldn't normally buff hunt in, attacking in planes I've barely ever flown, etc., etc. I threw score and stats out the window and just charged ahead. I suddenly remembered why I used to like some of those planes so much.
Find a way to mix it up. Challenge yourself. Forget scores and stats. That's my take on it anyway.
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Any perception that the game or player behavior has changed in a year and a half is false. Players in competitive online flight sims have exhibited the same dweeby behavior for decades. Why do you think they wrote the "Book of Dweeb" in the Warbirds community 10+ years ago? The only thing that's changed is you.
Steve wrote:And the mystical 1vs1 duel that you're failing to find is largely caused by impatience and a desire not to see the main arena as the big complicated symphony that it is.
no, he's right..it has changed. i've been flying here for about 2 years or so.
i used to be able to find fun furballs, or 1-1's or 2-2's or 2-1's etc., all the time. now, i might get into a fun 1-1, and we're dancingf round trying to get the advantage on each other, and almost without fail, SOMEONE takes it upon themselves to save my assss.....or his.........
furballs, we can still get started. usually when there's a cv nearby. but then some dork comes in and sinks the carrier. furball over.
the land battles used to be fun(although i super suck at them). now, though 9 out of 10 times, if you show any resistance, the attackers give up, and go to another base with no resistance.
i've seen nights where the bish horde, and the knight horde are having real slugfest. then the bish give up, and go fight the rooks. why? because although bish and knights have even numbers, there's onl 3 rooks on.
it has changed. it's not HT's fault, and i think there's nothing they can do about it. i don't know the solution either, so i just keep moving round, and sometimes changing sides to find some fights.
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Gavagai, I hate to say it but you are dead wrong.
What the heck is a gavagai? :eek:
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I recommend as the above did Toonces. Been there on the aggro feelings
and with a game you like and play frequently. Take a break from it,(and take
a break from "online"). I recommend getting into a solo game thats similar,or
one that you havent played in a while that was a favorite. I have had to
"get-away" on occasion when nothing seemed to go right and everything
would make me cuss up a storm. I have several WW2 games I go off on
a solo vacation with, and after a short break I always come back for more. :aok
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Disagree.
I agree with Toonces, 100%.
Now, we have hordes leveling/caping/vulching bases while a sector away the other side does the same thing to another undefended base.
Gavagai, I hate to say it but you are dead wrong.
This has happened since AW. AH is no different. It just depends on when you notice it.
People really need to read the "Book of Dweeb". :)
From the "Book of Dweeb"...
The Book of Jedisis - Verse One
In the beginning, there was Air Warrior, and it was good, And many partook thereof, and became Dweebs, and were smiteth repeatedly from on high by the Gods, and were vulcheth by other Dweebs, and were feared by the C-lander Runstangs. But after a time, the Dweebs learned to take flight from the uncapped field, and to ignoreth the false books of wisdom which sayeth "Thou shouldst fly the P-38, thou newbies," for all who have tried knoweth that the Air Warrior Godsteed named Lighting is not the province of the mere Dweeb. So the Dweebs learned the mythic Spitfire, and went round and round, and thus was born Loop Warrior, and there was much killing and rejoicing, for the Dweebs believed that now they were not Dweebish any longer, but were now Vets. But yet the voice of DoK was heard from on high...and it sayeth, "Nay, Dweebs art thou still." And thus was the Dweebfire born.
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The Book of Jedisis - Verse Two
So the Dweebs toiled on, and many learneth the mysteries of the treacherous Hog, and the dreaded Wurger, and verrily did they Boometh and Zoometh, and vulcheth many Dweebs from lo their very takeoff fields, and driveth they their vaunted K/D into the heavenly realms above 1.0. "And now," they said. "Now art we not vets? Art we Dweebs no longer?" But yet the voice of the most wretched vulched newby Dweebs rang forth from the ashes of their burning Zekes below. "Nay!" they cried. "Thou art but Dweebs with cannon!" And thus was born the Vulch Dweeb.
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The Book of Jedisis - Verse Six
"And NOW!" they shrieked. "FINALLY art we Vets! Scourges of the Sky are WE!" Yet again, from the smoldering blue wreckage came the icy cry, "Nay, foul ack-runner. Thou art but headon Dweebs." And thus was born the Headon Dweeb, the Dora Dweeb, and the Ack-running Dweebs. And as the pitiful Dweebs began their long quest through the Promised Land of Rolling Terrain (tm), and were blinded by the Sun Glare (tm) in search of their Holy Hurricane and the Zerstorer, did the voice of Doc rain down from on high and sweepeth them in a sandstorm of despair: "For all who play at Warbirds shalt always be Dweebish. Dweebs wert thou born. Dweebs thou art. Dweebs shalt thou be." And it was good
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The Epistle of Tos--x | Verse 2: The Spike of Otto
And another cry rang forth from the Furball Dweebs and the Buffhunt Dweebs. And they cryeth "O Gods, ye must also maketh the fields more difficult to destroyeth, for yon Buff Dweebs wilt surely launch their foul missiles upon us with thine Godlike Eye of Norden, and sweep us verrily from lo our very main fields, and drive us into the shame of a country defeat, and then gloateth on Channel 100."
What happens in AH is nothing new. Don't kid yourself.
The Book of Dweeb written pre-1999 is an historical document. It is part of the history of online simulators. And it shows how little has changed over the years. Be it a Dweeb, Dweebfire, Altmonkey, whatever - they all remain still. This is not just about WarBirds history, but it related fully to all the online pilots out there - IL-2, Forgotten Battles, Aces High, World War II Online, Fighter Ace, European Air War - it has something for everyone. And is fun reading. Enjoy it all - this is a piece of the history of our hobby.
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/bookofdweeb/ (http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/bookofdweeb/)
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byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eee :aok
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Do what I do ! install others online games and break up your play time=) If you keep getting vulch in AH2, well log into like CoD4 and camp someone or something!
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Any perception that the game or player behavior has changed in a year and a half is false. Players in competitive online flight sims have exhibited the same dweeby behavior for decades. Why do you think they wrote the "Book of Dweeb" in the Warbirds community 10+ years ago? The only thing that's changed is you.
Steve wrote:And the mystical 1vs1 duel that you're failing to find is largely caused by impatience and a desire not to see the main arena as the big complicated symphony that it is.
I don't think anyone could possibly be more incorrect. there are at this very moment good fights occurring between like minded players but if you never place yourself in a situation to find one then remain without squeaking for help you come away with opinions like yours, and steve's.
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toonces, your game-play experience changes as your skill and knowledge evolve. When a player reaches a comfortable point of ACM mastery, the Fight, like the Kill before it, becomes less satisfying, and those small terrains with dense base populations will burn you out quicker then anything else. It sounds like you overdosed in there. ;)
You're actually at a point where the game has much more to offer beyond the single seat fighter role. Most long term players will use the MAs for practice for the intense special events. You've flown in events, if you flew enough of them, you've undoubtedly thought you could provide better leadership then you experienced, so if you haven't already, try a leadership roll starting as a GL. BoB is coming up, there's good opportunity there, and the AvA has possibilities too. Maybe you're not drawn to a leadership roll, or the more geeky chores of building terrains, skins, sound paks, etc., anything that keeps you out of the pilots seat enough to become a little rusty will keep the fights a challenge, and the game interesting.
If you think you still only want the fight, go into the AvA and arrange one on cross-country channel, folks there will let you duel, and you're assured of an even match-up ahead of time. I don't think it will help though, as the Fight for the Fight's sake becomes boring after awhile. That's why we have so many games collecting dust on our shelves, unlike Aces High, most don't support related interests beyond the basic engage and beat the game game-play.
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<<S>> toonces
sometimes its just good to walk away from the game from a few and then come back, when the game isnt fun for u anymore its time to just step back and take a break. believe me i have done it on several times. take a couple months away, then come back. if you feel the same way u do now in like 3 months of bein away. then do what u need to do. take care on ur ventures <<S>>
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Dont wanna be mean, but dont expect to just find a good fight... Make one. The MA (IMO) has only changed very little, when I first joined Bish-land, there were frequent NOE's (1 or 2 a day) and after 4 months, there were 3 or 4 a day. It's still like that, nothing has changed.
~1pLUs44 40th FS
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Its in your dna now. The epiphany will come along when you least expect it. A lot of people think that 'concepts' of ACM are learned in the practice of the sport. I believe it is often realized when flipping that steak over hot coals or while performing some mundane task like long-distance driving or listening to your boss drone on-and-on about procedures. Somewhere down the road you will have forgotten all about the arena and then the comms will come through weak at first and then slowly building in intensity until you cannot ignore them and then they will become actual 'visions.' Then you will hear the voice of Betty singing 'Rubber Ducky' and you will burst out in laughter. Everyone will be staring at you and then you will realize the epiphany has struck and you have evolved to the next level of understanding in acm. You will log in that very day.
No one ever leaves the 'order' except feet first. :D
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What the heck is a gavagai? :eek:
Google it. :aok
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Toonces:
Sad to see you go. Here are two quotes from Hitech that I hope you find enlightening:
It is really just a simple truth that very few people play the same game forever.
HiTech
And the game has not realy changed, *player1* and *player2* have. Quite frankly they are flowing a very classic player pattern.
Step 1. New game,every thing is a challange lots of fun.
Step 2. Some chalanges over come, still a lot to learn , still having fun.
Step 3. Have gained some friends, Figure out new and chalanging things to do to gether, still having fun.
Step 4. Few friends leave, play less, still have fun on ocation.
Step 5. Rembers the fun they used to have, log on for that fun, but can't seem to get that all encompasing, time passes by hours and feels like minets feeling anymore. But they still hold out hope for that feeling.
Step 6. Feeling just dons't realy come back, Start blaming everyone else and the game for them not having that feeling any more.
Step 7. Become vocal about yourself not having fun. Try to persuade everone else that you not having fun is all there fault.
I have seen this cycle repeated over and over with people. Most people tend to retire at 5. And only a rair few ever make it to step 7.
What I have never figured out, is how HTC should deal with the step 7 player. Let them complain, or take action and just end there suffering.
HiTech
My $.02 - Look for other games/puzzles in AH. There's plenty of them besides the 1v1 "fair" fight to learn and try to master.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Great post dtango. I think another word for what HT was describing is dopamine-insensitivity. :P
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Have you considered to DA? :aok
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Would be more fun if KS was disabled.
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I don't think anyone could possibly be more incorrect. there are at this very moment good fights occurring between like minded players but if you never place yourself in a situation to find one then remain without squeaking for help you come away with opinions like yours, and steve's.
Nice try, except I did not type the following I was incorrectly attributed to the text below:
And the mystical 1vs1 duel that you're failing to find is largely caused by impatience and a desire not to see the main arena as the big complicated symphony that it is.
DENIED
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Woops, I apologize if my post made it look like you said that. :o
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I can understand your frustrations, I really do, I had a small break for a while, mostly due to the same reasons as yourself, so this time I decided to ignore the easy mode planes and stick to the 109's or jugs etc, Getting my butt handed to me on a regular basis and missing losts of shots, but I am steadily having more fun and the odd kill here and there I'm getting are now much more worthwhile.
Kinda got into the old porking game for a bit too, I enjoy the swing mode of dropping your ord then switching to Fighter mode, I usually take a G14 with the bomb and then drop it and go looking for a fight, Get killed A LOT but it's better than hiding in the horde and picking.
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Toonces' flying is just fine; as we all know, the stats are a poor indicator - if they're any indicator at all - of pilot skill. He picked up on ACM very quickly. I don't think he's complaining about any perceived inability to get kills, he's complaining about the process itself.
- oldman
Yes we all know stats are a poor indicator for most. That is due to the fact that "most" play to tweak their score. Toonces doesn't sound like a guy who is worried about his score so we can there fore use his score as a fairly accurate gage. He has admitted his aim is bad, and he like fighting a fight until the end, even if that end is with him sitting in the tower. I didn't say anything bad about his flying that he hadn't already said.
By agreeing with him, it lead to my suggestion that he spend some time with the trainers. Everyone hits these walls where they just don't seem to get any better, and it is mostly because they fight all of their fights the same way, and against some folks, its not enough. Getting some training, and practicing in the TA will teach him a few new tricks, improve his aim, and maybe, just maybe, bring back that thrill he thinks is missing.
I've been flying in AW and here for 14 years, and doing this helps me over the rough spots.
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Jump already!!! Sheese!!!
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I am going through same thing man..... its not how it used to be..... its just not as fun anymore
-BigBOBCH
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Everyone hits these walls where they just don't seem to get any better, and it is mostly because they fight all of their fights the same way, and against some folks, its not enough. Getting some training, and practicing in the TA will teach him a few new tricks, improve his aim, and maybe, just maybe, bring back that thrill he thinks is missing.
Perhaps I made my point poorly. I don't think he's complaining about getting kills or being killed. I think he's complaining about not finding good fights.
- oldman
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I've noticed that the fights have been worse than average lately.
Just take a break and fly a little less.
Fights tend to get mundane more slowly if you're not spending hours at it every night.
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Thanks for all the replies.
I'm at stage 5. Definately stage 5.
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I am going through same thing man..... its not how it used to be..... its just not as fun anymore
-BigBOBCH
idk, if I look back over the past 2 years, seems the same for me. Only thing that's changed is that I can now actually get a kill atleast every single sortie I actually fight in.
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This sounds like typical A/H growing pains......no need to see a doctor or shrink, it's a normal progression to.........geeeez I dunno what? What are we doing here anyways? :lol
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I agree with Toonces, 100%.
Now, we have hordes leveling/caping/vulching bases while a sector away the other side does the same thing to another undefended base.
Gavagai, I hate to say it but you are dead wrong.
Heh, isn't that how it was 5 years ago?
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The only reason that I play this game other than the GV's is the friends that I have made. Our squad has 20 of the best guys in it :salute There are other bishop squads that I fly with regularly that I have much respect for also :aok Also met many people from the rooks and knights too and found most of them to be awesome people :salute
If you haven't made friends like this then I guess it would be easy to leave but I would find it very difficult.
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LoLs :rofl
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toonces
"I've been playing almost 18 months now."
No offense but WOW! A WHOLE 18 MONTHS! Dude, you must be the top dog in here! I'd bet there's no one you can't beat! Wait a minute! You do get killed? How can that be?
You say, "what's the point?" Why did you show up in the first place? What was your point of being here? To learn to fly a cartoon combat airplane and be able to shoot up folks? You killed a few planes and died a few times. I looked at your score for this tour. So far you flew for 2+ hours and got 4 kills. The prev tour wasn't much better. 15 kills in 5 hours of flying? The prev was 21 kills in 6 hours. And I'm not picking on score. Just how many planes you shot down. So, what have you learned?
You say, "I've been trying the DA" then say "I'm a new comer to the DA". I hate to say it but you're still a new comer to the game.
Lots of folks come into the game, learn a little, stop progressing then start a post with the words, "I sense the game has changed and what's the point?" There's guys that show up in the TA after having flown for over two years (yep, that's just a lil bit more than yer 18 months) saying, "I'm still getting shot down a lot and I'll be damned if I can figure out why". They spend a little time with a Trainer and find out how little they really know and then begin to learn. There's dudes who have been flying for 5 years and never heard the term "lift vector" other than what they've read on some boards somewhere. A simple basic term. There are people who haven't figured out that the term, "Lose sight, lose the fight" actually does mean something and if you haven't figured out how to maintain visual contact with the enemy plane, at all times, how can you expect to defeat him?
The deal here is if you have barely scratched the surface of air combat and know that some thing you do in a fight happens to work but you're not sure why then how can you sit there and say,"the game isn't the same?" Are you saying you ain't "getting it" so yer frustrated and moving on to something easier?
If that's the case the best thing I can say is :salute.
But think about this, there are guys that have been flying for years and they gained the knowledge many new folks seek. They also have learned the reason's why planes behave they way they do and how you can use those differences to your advantage along with tactics designed to win a fight before it ever starts. Imagine that, you set up the win so you win it. Amazing!
If you can honestly say you have this game all figured out and there's nothing you can learn then go grab a club and walk thru some cartoon forest til you run across some scorpion. While your clubbing it with a 50/50 chance of winning or losing (and grabbing something to drink) ask yourself one question, "what the heck am I doing here"?
Or, you can stay in a great community and actually become a great stick. Then perhaps you might even be able give something back to all the new guys that will be where you are right now.
Leave if you must, stay if you like. Ask if you want to learn more. Enjoy your time with the friends you made here. You get what you put into the game.
'nuff said.
Ren