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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Ghastly on September 06, 2008, 09:21:40 AM
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Comcast has admitted to reports that they are considering a cap on residential customers at 250 GB per month. It will be interesting to see how this plays out....
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MY internet ROCKS!!! I have DSL. I'll never do business with a Cable Company again. They suck.
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250gb is more than enough if you don't p2p professionally. Then again I can get a dedicated server with 100mbit net connection for 70 euros a month if I want to p2p.
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MY internet ROCKS!!! I have DSL. I'll never do business with a Cable Company again. They suck.
Ditto, When I left Brighthouse for DSL they asked me why. I said because it was cheaper by $20. They said they could fix that. I said DSL is also faster, Dsl was more than 2x as fast as the cable I was getting. They said they could fix that too. My reply well you should have done it sooner. I looked at their pay plans. They are charging boo koo bucks for fast cable now.
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The cost of the Internet here is cheap as well. The speed, not so much. Still better than paying $50 a month for 80 KB/per sec. :D
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The thing I hate about Comcast is evey couple of months my bill gets bigger (for TV and Internet).
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The thing I hate about Comcast is evey couple of months my bill gets bigger (for TV and Internet).
think about this
comcast says they have over 20 million customers (i think that's the correct number)
with each paying around 75 to a hundred bucks a month, and many paying much more than that,
that is some serious "bucks" each month, but yet the cost is rising.
the electric company (any of them), charge you a "delivery charge" plus a few othercharges that are bogus, and most times that is more than the actual usage,
this entire system is designed for the super rich, and for every one else to slave and grovel for a small piece,
but yet most Americans are so beguiled by the system they cant see the truth that is right in front of there faces.
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Did you notice that right after instituting the 250 GB cap, they started their own video download service, which is subject to the cap. So, as someone on another board said, they give you the rope to hang yourself with. An HD movie can be about 10 to 15 GB. So view, and pay for, 16 movies in a month, and you'll get hit with overcharges as well. I'll admit though that viewing 16 movies a month is a tad much, so maybe 250 GB is not too draconian.
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believe it or not, the majority of cable increases are due to the fact that the "content" raises its prices .. it isn't the cable tv ppl getting fat and happy, I know as I've been in the industry since 79
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believe it or not, the majority of cable increases are due to the fact that the "content" raises its prices .. it isn't the cable tv ppl getting fat and happy, I know as I've been in the industry since 79
installing cable, and owning comcast two major differences,
and you cant tell me, that about $ 240,000,000 (low estimate) a month is not getting fat and happy.
but i guess trying to tell someone whos "been in the industry since 79" is pointless, because you know right :lol
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whats your solution ink? free cable for all? free electric?
Try China ...
have been in the industry for almost 30 years, you?
I don't install it either :)
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He doesn't want it free. He wants a reasonable price. Virtually no one thinks that cable companies provide anything even remotely approaching a reasonable price. Why should they; they're monopolies?
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He doesn't want it free. He wants a reasonable price. Virtually no one thinks that cable companies provide anything even remotely approaching a reasonable price. Why should they; they're monopolies?
actually they are not. You have satellite and antenna to choose from in most places and FIOS in some others.
With off air signals going HD/Digital next year - the free option has never looked better.
we have phone, internet and cable month to month package for $109 a month. FIOS has a similar package for $100 a month but you have to sign up for a year. Do you think those prices are unreasonable?
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I have cable tv and internet and my bill is $102 a month. My cable tv is picture crap and the price is ridiculous but I'm stuck. DSL is the same price and 1/4 the speed, over the air is 3 channels where I live so that's not an alternative. I'm deciding what I'm going to do after the first of the year all channels but locals will require an STB and I have tv's in 4 rooms and 2 tuner cards in my pc so I would have to rent 6 boxes raising my bill even higher. I'm seriously considering dropping everything.
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He doesn't want it free. He wants a reasonable price. Virtually no one thinks that cable companies provide anything even remotely approaching a reasonable price. Why should they; they're monopolies?
Take a look at the speeds of home internet access over the last few years. Internet usage has increased, as have speeds. Do you know the relevant costs of the capital infrastructure to provide this? I doubt it. Do you know the relevant costs of maintaining this infrastructure? I doubt it.
Maintaining the plumbing on multi-gigabit, or in some cases terrabit, pipes is not a simple task.
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whats your solution ink? free cable for all? free electric?
Try China ...
have been in the industry for almost 30 years, you?
I don't install it either :)
not free cable no, but much more reasonable prices.
but i most certainly think that, electricity should have a certain amount that is allotted to each house enough to run your fridge, after a certain amount is used then the billing comes into play.
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not free cable no, but much more reasonable prices.
but i most certainly think that, electricity should have a certain amount that is allotted to each house enough to run your fridge, after a certain amount is used then the billing comes into play.
ink please answer this, do you have any concept of the infrastructure costs and maintainence required, or do you believe things just tick along merrily by themselves?
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Infrastructure cost aside when your price gets to the point where people think it's not worth buying your in trouble and I think I've reached that point.
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Infrastructure cost aside when your price gets to the point where people think it's not worth buying your in trouble and I think I've reached that point.
far beyond that point
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Answer the question.
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ink please answer this, do you have any concept of the infrastructure costs and maintainence required, or do you believe things just tick along merrily by themselves?
it does not matter
you can not tell me they are not making huge profits,not just the cable companies, im talking about all major corporations,(and many smaller ones) they are making major profits off of our blood and most people are okay with this or they are just to blind or unwilling to see the truth,
how about a senator, or congressman, they make over 150 k a year, but yet only work around 90 days of that year, the entire system, is screwed not just America but the whole world.
it is only a short time away from them putting chips in every ones body, but they are going to make it seem like its for "your own good", after a few years they will force it upon you,and your children and label you a negligent parent if you don't follow along.
they distort and twist the truth, giving us little tiny bits of it, and then filling it over with lies.
we have entered the end of days look around you, open your eyes, those spiritual eyes in your heart.
see the world for what it is...a place that loves evil we(humans) have turned away from our creator, and are turning to satan as god, i do not include myself in that "we" because i know who my father is he is Yahaveh.
he is going to let us destroy what he has given us, freely we will destroy it. and than he will change it, restore it and those that followed satan will be gone, our souls cannot die they will live forever, ether in peace or torment, forever...
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<Uhmm, clears throat, puts away his copy of George Orwell's 1984....>
Yes, well.
I have 2 major concerns with regards to this. I think most of us would agree that a 250 GB cap is not an overly draconian limit - most of us would have to work diligently for an entire month trying to exceed such a limit to even come remotely close.
But one of the more obvious areas of concern is - or should be - that the party setting such limits is in fact the party that has a near monopoly on the infrastructure where they are imposing the limits, that they are doing so arbitrarily based solely upon their own criteria. And what will be case when other's begin to follow suit? What if Charter decides that the "free" tier should be 25 GB per month? Or RCN decides it should be 2.5 GB? (Just to use some examples of other providers in the areas surrounding where I live.) The average person has little or no idea and no real way to tell how much bandwidth they are using ... and with a near monopoly on service in many areas, much of their customer base has little real choice but to accept whatever is forced upon them willynilly, regardless of how liberal or draconian it might be.
The other concern is much more subtle - but probably of much greater importance - and is incorporated into 715's response although he may not realize it. What's more "natural" than excluding your own content from any such imposed limits as a part of the service to your customers? Does it bode well for the consumer when they might have to pay the cable company a surcharge for the bandwidth used to download a movie from a competitor rather than from the cable company? Is it purely a coincidence that this is coming about at just about the same point in time as Internet delivery of movie content is starting to become more wide stream? I don't really think so... do you?
Just like the issue of arbitrarily prioritizing certain traffic based upon subscription levels, what I see again is a way for the provider to exploit their near monopoly of the infrastructure in increasingly technical ways that will take our technologically unsavvy governments years to respond to (and when they finally do so, it's often in a manner that often fails to address the underlying issue at all.)
This is what I was alluding to... And try as I might, I'm still not quite sure how it ties in with microchipping peoples brains. {grin}
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Yikes! I only said I didn't like my bill going up every couple of months. :uhoh
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Depending on the result of the LHC we either get very fast internet or very fast out of existence. :salute
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Yikes! I only said I didn't like my bill going up every couple of months. :uhoh
It's happened to me too. :lol
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it does not matter
And basically this is what it all boils down to. You are clueless about business and expect the things you want the most in life to be free.
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Again... he didn't say free. Why do you keep saying that?
A bit of trivia: the CEO of Comcast made $27.8 million in 2006 and the company cleared $25 billion in revenue. I think if I made that much I'd probably be happy... and definitely fat ;)
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if you think thats bad man the ceo of wal-mart inc made about 85 million in 2007 probably more.
whereas most of the store's millions of employees average out at 7-8 dollars an hour. or 20-30k a year.
and dont even ask about wal-mart's stores overseas and factories in india where they can make 4-10 dollars a day and its considered a great job. right up there with all our telemarketing work they are getting lol
this world is insane when one man can make that much money and then the company says hey well we dont want obama in office he wants us to get unions. cause we REALLY cant afford to give every employe a minor raise of a 1$
what other MULTIBILLION $ company do you know that pays as little as minnimum wage to a vast majority of their employees? (and yes i actauly heard in a meeting store managers explaining why we should not vote for obama, talk about socialisim at its worst)
maybe a fast food place like mcdonalds could come close but they did not show over 500 million in PROFIT last year.
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Again... he didn't say free. Why do you keep saying that?
A bit of trivia: the CEO of Comcast made $27.8 million in 2006 and the company cleared $25 billion in revenue. I think if I made that much I'd probably be happy... and definitely fat ;)
Because he expects improved services at the same or lesser cost. IE, more, for free.
I had a quick look at comcasts profits, looks to me like they come in at around 10-13% net profit on turnover (feel free to correct this as I'm not really interested in spending oodles of time on it). That doesn't sound to outrageous to me. Whereas Cisco did roughly the same turnover ($24 billion) with a gross margin of 65% and a net margin of 25%.
Get angry and wave your arms around all you like. You don't understand the business these companies do, the costs involved, and you seem willing to ignore their responsibilities to shareholders in order to moan and whinge about how you'd like to pay less for their services.
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Your net profit numbers are correct. Of course net profit is after all those high executive salaries are paid and the teak conference tables ordered ;) . We each can talk forever and we'll never convince the other ;) . It's unlikely you'll get me to love my cable company. They charge $65/mo for 8/0.5. I just checked my connection: 0.33/0.37 and a latency of 464 ms. It often gets bad during prime time, but I will admit tonight is a particularly bad night. Not as bad as the night with 50% packet loss and an upload speed of 14 Kbps! I'm not so sure my cable company is putting all that money back into infrastructure ;)
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I just checked my connection: 0.33/0.37 and a latency of 464 ms. It often gets bad during prime time, but I will admit tonight is a particularly bad night. Not as bad as the night with 50% packet loss and an upload speed of 14 Kbps! I'm not so sure my cable company is putting all that money back into infrastructure ;)
No argument there. That sucks.
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We really are stuck in my home. We rent an apartment; no satellite. Can't even put one in a bucket of concrete on the porch; it's just not allowed. Verizon DSL is closely priced when you get a package from Comcast, and the cable speed is slightly higher.
But then there's our TV. There aren't any other providers here other than satellite. Having no other option, the prices crank higher and higher.
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Comcast has admitted to reports that they are considering a cap on residential customers at 250 GB per month. It will be interesting to see how this plays out....
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IIRC, the FCC vetoed that plan and as a result, ComCast is suing to get the caps in place.
ComCast sues the FCC (http://gizmodo.com/5045859/comcast-sues-fcc-to-get-p2p-slowdown-ban-reversed)
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