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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on September 06, 2008, 10:07:00 PM
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Stumbed upon this as I was looking for information on the politics of the author
A Few days ago someone posted a sickening story about a baby that was aborted after it was born.
I think most of us, Even the pro choice group agreed that went too far.
Regardless of your position on abortion. I think Even the anti Abortion group would agree this is too far in the other direction.
How about refusing a woman an abortion when the baby is already dead?
Equally sickening story
http://www.msmagazine.com/summer2004/womanandherdoctor.asp
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I'd like to assume that you bothered to read that.
But by the way you're commenting, I see that you haven't.
I'd be willing to discuss it with you once you have read it. Don't worry, I'll wait.
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I would be a much happier man if I didn't have to worry about something like that.. or the other... happening to anybody. Common sense, as always; is impossible to legislate.
The sickness that infests this society.. the Oprah-esque insistence of imperfect people sticking their meddling noses into the private concerns of private citizens has to be curbed. There are issues that are life and death to this nation that should be in the public domain for discussion.. energy policy, foreign policy, trade policy, immigration policy.. on these things the immediate future of our nation rests.
Not on this. I'm a constitutionalist.. and as such; the issue begins and ends right there. There is no right granted to government regarding possession of my corporate self. My body is mine. Whats in it is mine. And I'll not surrender it willingly, nor would I deign to presume upon any other persons identical right.
This is not a national security issue. It's not government business. It's private.
Sorry Dred.. rant over. <S!>
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I'd like to assume that you bothered to read that.
But by the way you're commenting, I see that you haven't.
I'd be willing to discuss it with you once you have read it. Don't worry, I'll wait.
Are YOU gonna read it?
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Stumbled upon this as I was looking for information on the politics of the author
A Few days ago someone posted a sickening story about a baby that was aborted after it was born.
I think most of us, Even the pro choice group agreed that went too far.
Regardless of your position on abortion. I think Even the anti Abortion group would agree this is too far in the other direction.
How about refusing a woman an abortion when the baby is already dead?
Equally sickening story
http://www.msmagazine.com/summer2004/womanandherdoctor.asp
I agree. Aborting AFTER the baby is born... WAY too late. That's just sick.
But the antiabortionists... I got a PM recently after stating that I am pro-choice, telling me all this about how abortion is murder, etc. and who has the right to murder a child. My mother (Adopted, not birth) suffered an ectopic pregnancy, and I pointed out to the guy that had there been a "no abortions" law, she would not have been able to abort it, and thus would have died without doubt. So, technically, isn't that too murder? To force someone to undergo something that would lead to their imminent demise?
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Are YOU gonna read it?
Seriously people?
This article has no real bearing on law or abortion laws. Are you so dense that I need to spell that out for you?
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This shouldn't be an abortion issue, the baby was already dead.
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This 'essay' is fiction written for the sake of abortion rights.
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IMy mother (Adopted, not birth) suffered an ectopic pregnancy, and I pointed out to the guy that had there been a "no abortions" law, she would not have been able to abort it, and thus would have died without doubt.
Are there any anti-abortion laws on the books that don't allow abortion in cases where the life of the mother is threatened? I am not aware of any.
Even Palin, the left's latest boogeywoman, supports abortion when the mother's life is in danger.
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This 'essay' is fiction written for the sake of abortion rights.
Link?
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I'd like to assume that you bothered to read that.
But by the way you're commenting, I see that you haven't.
I'd be willing to discuss it with you once you have read it. Don't worry, I'll wait.
I've read it.
Thats why I posted it to begin with.
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My oldest daughter's first son died in the womb a few weeks before he was due. As in this essay, the umbilical cord was wrapped around his neck. She had to wait a few days for them to induce labor knowing he was dead. This was well before Bush became president and had nothing to do with any partial birth abortion laws.
I've mentioned my beliefs on abortion in more than one thread here over the years. While I expect my experience to in no way dictate what someone else should do, I'm not talking out my bellybutton when I say I understand the risk of childbirth. Though my loss was great, I wouldn't undo it if it meant killing my daughter. Some won't believe me so I link the obit. If you want to spend $10 you can verify it yourself in the Dallas Morning News archives.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3081/deathod5.jpg
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Are there any anti-abortion laws on the books that don't allow abortion in cases where the life of the mother is threatened? I am not aware of any.
Even Palin, the left's latest boogeywoman, supports abortion when the mother's life is in danger.
No, there aren't, and for good reason. That's not to say these "pro-life" extremists don't think there should be. I have been told so in fact by a few particularly dense people.
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How can you "abort" something that is already dead, or something that is already born?
Are people screwed up in their head?
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Come on people! Did everyone have too much to drink last night?
This is not about abortion at all. The story, whether it be fact or fiction, is about a mother trying to find someone to perform a LEGAL procedure. The misstep in logic that everyone is jumping to is that the reason this procedure is not taught is because it is illegal.
Where the only reason she was having trouble is because the procedure is a rarer / non-common procedure these days.
I'm very disappointed that I had to spell that out.
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the mother comes first.. that is the law and it has nothing to do with abortion laws.. it is common sense and the way it has always been.
I agree with hang.. you can't legislate common sense.. many try tho and you end up with these kinds of things where you have to kill a kid after it is born or leave a dead baby in the womb.
lazs
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How can you "abort" something that is already dead, or something that is already born?
Are people screwed up in their head?
Yes, some people are.
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No, there aren't, and for good reason. That's not to say these "pro-life" extremists don't think there should be. I have been told so in fact by a few particularly dense people.
So the point of your first post was to raise a roadkill strawman argument. Thanks for verifying that.
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So the point of your first post was to raise a bullpoop strawman argument. Thanks for verifying that.
Spot on smack down :aok
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So the point of your first post was to raise a bullpoop strawman argument. Thanks for verifying that.
Nope. Since we were already arguing over this I figured I would throw my oppinion into the mix.
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Nope. Since we were already arguing over this I figured I would throw my oppinion into the mix.
Arguing over what, exactly?
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Arguing over what, exactly?
Abortion. Thats not REALLY what the original post was about as Lazersailor pointed out, but we had already degenerated to there...