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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Scca on September 08, 2008, 11:36:16 AM
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I have only been playing for about a year and a half now so I am really kind of new.
I am trying to understand why would one want to hide a carrier far far away from the action? Why would one want to hide 3 carriers far far away from the action, and together so a couple of lancs could destroy all of them.
I tried to move one this morning and was called all sorts of names including a spy for trying to get a cv into the action.
Will one of you wise sages in the game help me understand?
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SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH!!! :noid
If the enemy captures the port that the cv belongs to, and they sink it, they get the cv. Hiding the cv prevents the enemy from making use of the port that they captured.
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He already knows too much.
:noid :noid
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Depends what side your on really. It is tactically a good thing for the guys doing it so they don't have to worry about CV attacks and boosts their win the war % 1 cv + port = 2 fields.
If I logon and see a team has done it to the team i'm currently on i'll go after their fields rather than the 3rd team. Sure is a fun killer if you like CV action though.
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Because they are dweebs.
Being in a Naval Squad it is VERY frustrating to see a carrier way behind our homeland.
The carrier is there to be used and used it will be when we are in the game.
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Scca the 3 cvs the knights are hiding are all close to the fronts of the battles. If any rook/bish would be dumb enough to go for them, they would look like an HQ raid, and you know the knights like to fly those 163s :D
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Scca the 3 cvs the knights are hiding are all close to the fronts of the battles. If any rook/bish would be dumb enough to go for them, they would look like an HQ raid, and you know the knights like to fly those 163s :D
Dude. :rolleyes:
:lol
...Yes...I understand...He will be eliminated...
:noid
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I wholeheartedly agree Rattfink. CV's are the long arm of a country's air attack, and should be used as such. :aok
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Dude. :rolleyes:
:lol
...Yes...I understand...He will be eliminated...
:noid
[edited: removed misstatement}
Anyway.. I can somewhat see the reason, but it just seems dumb..
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No surprise Junky would know. He has his shade logged into knight world anytime he is on. How else can he bust nit missions?
Anyway.. I can somewhat see the reason, but it just seems dumb..
uummm I am a Knight :aok
I wholeheartedly agree Rattfink. CV's are the long arm of a country's air attack, and should be used as such. :aok
Not with the knights they arent, Knights dont use them right 90+ % of the time, all they do is just give the bish/rooks a good furball
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No surprise Junky would know. He has his shade logged into knight world anytime he is on. How else can he bust nit missions?
Wow, that delusion came from where SCCA? Forget your medication today Sir? :huh
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Wow, that delusion came from where SCCA? Forget your medication today Sir? :huh
uh, yup it appears.. :o
It was a mistake on my part (post edited) I was thinking of someone else. Pretend you never saw it :)
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yeah honestly I've flown with Junky for a while now and even though he's a bit excitable :) the only thing I've ever heard him spying on is that hot chick with big ol hooties across the street.
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uh, yup it appears.. :o
It was a mistake on my part (post edited) I was thinking of someone else. Pretend you never saw it :)
Pretend I never saw what? LOL
No prob.
<Salute>
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Pretend I never saw what? LOL
No prob.
<Salute>
Thanks... I was thinking of some other Joker (hint, hint)
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This type of 'gameplay' comes from people that lack the confidence to succeed in air combat and their cries of 'spy' and ... (the 'C' word) should be ignored. I am all for there being a special code written that would return the carrier to its home port if not used within a certain time frame or if more then two sectors behind friendly lines. I dont mean 'transported' to port I mean steamed there and unable to be commanded away.
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Thanks... I was thinking of some other Joker (hint, hint)
LOL dont even get me started on the Jokers spying <Finger> most of the Jokers
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This is a general strategy found on all 3 sides. From a wartime perspective, it does make sense. I'll be the first one to take 24's to the depths of enemy territory to find my ship... But that doesn't mean I like it. Knights do do it more then the rest.
SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH!!! :noid
If the enemy captures the port that the cv belongs to, and they sink it, they get the cv. Hiding the cv prevents the enemy from making use of the port that they captured.
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Knights hid them recently because the DEFENSIVE geniuses determined that was best in order to win the war. :rolleyes: Guess they never heard the best defense was a good offense, buy hey, they kept saying this was best & to trust them. They just didn't want to worry about the ports those hidden cv's were attached to. I'd never say where they were to the Bish/Rooks since I'd hate to be thought of as a spy, but they were pretty much equally far apart from either of those two countries and totally ineffective while running around in circles.
Glove
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With all due respect..... Don't worry, you dont have to give up locations. Those Defensive generals dont have much imagination. Baltic map, they are always on the HQ side of the main island. Sometimes close enough to HQ to allow 163's but at the same time, they dont get there in time. Nobody ever tries the corners..... Sad really.
Knights hid them recently because the DEFENSIVE geniuses determined that was best in order to win the war. :rolleyes: Guess they never heard the best defense was a good offense, buy hey, they kept saying this was best & to trust them. They just didn't want to worry about the ports those hidden cv's were attached to. I'd never say where they were to the Bish/Rooks since I'd hate to be thought of as a spy, but they were pretty much equally far apart from either of those two countries and totally ineffective while running around in circles.
Glove
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hiding CVs is just stupid. Do you pay 14.99/month to STOP fights happening in a combat game? shame on you.
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My opinion on that is..
Country <A> captures the port of country <B>. If country <B> does not re-capture there port within 20 minutes, the CV will automatically sink and re-spawn with country <A> as the new owner.
That may sound gamey, but i think it's even more gamey when guys hide the cv on the other side of the map, making it useless to everyone.
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I'm against hiding cv's. CV attacks are one of my favorite parts of the game, both defending against and attacking with. Sometimes they start some great fights :)
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You take the port, you hide the CV. The other team takes their port back, they never see the CV up from it again.
You effectively take their CV out of the game until they can find it and destroy it. Hopefully you still have your own CV's to work with.
Seems like a simple and decent strategy to me.
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My old squad got 3 CVs and sailed them right up to an HQ and pounded it with the 8" guns until it was dead, then we moved it away from the bases a little, whilst there were NOE 262s all over the place looking for NOE buffs, that might have snuck by, after that was over we sailed them all back 30 minutes later and killed it again.This went on for a good hour or two. Soon they spotted 2 of our CVs that didn't get out of there fast enough. Our last CV we had we used to take a base way back there and start a nice fight that lasted a good 2 hours.
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System: A bish whine has been recorded.
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uummm I am a Knight :aokNot with the knights they arent, Knights dont use them right 90+ % of the time, all they do is just give the bish/rooks a good furball
WHo says thats not the right way to use them??? Its a game !! The whole idea is to have fights not play who has the CV up his butt! If were in a life and death situation, then sure "tactically" its a good idea, but come on, its a GAME ! Only losers hide a CV, I would happily give who ever points out where its hiding the huge sum of 35 perks they are throwing away by not wining the war.
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because... if they destroy carrier.. and take port.. they get carrier..
-BigBOBCH
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because... if they destroy carrier.. and take port.. they get carrier..
-BigBOBCH
The best thing about this whole post is now I know what is up and can act accordingly.
Here carrier carrier... :devil
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I actually caught a guy in a low 234 with just DTs skimming the water way behind the rook mainland where we were hiding the CV. too bad he entered the dar ring of a base and I caught the base flashing for a couple minutes.
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I'll be honest here. Considering this is a game it's kind of lame to remove a potential source of fun from play. But from a military strategy point of view it's right out of Sun Tzu's, "Art of War". Denying an asset to your enemy permanently even if it means denying it to yourself temporarily is sound strategy. That does not mean it's the most fun strategy, but it's undeniably the smart play. It would only be correct to return the CV to play if the port were re-secured and able to be adequately defended. In the era we are currently in of rampant NOE raids to vacant bases and the "win at all costs, fun be damned" mantra, it's perfectly reasonable for this behavior to continue and be considered acceptable...
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Because they are dweebs.
Being in a Naval Squad it is VERY frustrating to see a carrier way behind our homeland.
The carrier is there to be used and used it will be when we are in the game.
I seem to rememmber meeting you while (cough) hiding cv late night. hehe <S>reddawn.. vf-31tomcatters
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Knights dont use them right all they do is just give the bish/rooks a good furball
And we thank them for it.
(the good furballing)
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because... if they destroy carrier.. and take port.. they get carrier..
-BigBOBCH
sure, but whats the point of having the extra carrier if it is not aiding your own forces somehow?
thats like hiding all the rifles in a bunker incase your soldiers dont win and the enmy get the rifles.
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Ah Ha... But here is the interesting thing there... Actually it's like hiding rifles in a base that the enemy cannot find(ie...most NE NW SE SW, or N S W E corner of map). And when you have nothing left, you can fall back on those rifles to make your last stand... Ya Know? :rock
thats like hiding all the rifles in a bunker incase your soldiers dont win and the enmy get the rifles.
Just saying.... That's what it is. Not that I agree with it..... :salute
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Ah Ha... But here is the interesting thing there... Actually it's like hiding rifles in a base that the enemy cannot find(ie...most NE NW SE SW, or N S W E corner of map). And when you have nothing left, you can fall back on those rifles to make your last stand... Ya Know? :rock
Just saying.... That's what it is. Not that I agree with it..... :salute
hiding cv's in this game is idiotic, because all it takes 1 spy to report where the cv is hidden..
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LLogann, i can understand hiding excess rifles, but not sending the troops in without rifles so as not to lose them and seeing as we never have more than a handfull of task groups there is never what could be accurately called excess.
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In the era we are currently in of rampant NOE raids to vacant bases and the "win at all costs, fun be damned" mantra, it's perfectly reasonable for this behavior to continue and be considered acceptable...
Been going on since I joined AH2, so its not "In the current era".
Whether you agree with hiding CVs depends on if you play the game strategically or not.
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Maybe, we'll hide the carriers because the Carrier is to an enemy port.
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I have only been playing for about a year and a half now so I am really kind of new.
I am trying to understand why would one want to hide a carrier far far away from the action? Why would one want to hide 3 carriers far far away from the action, and together so a couple of lancs could destroy all of them.
I tried to move one this morning and was called all sorts of names including a spy for trying to get a cv into the action.
Will one of you wise sages in the game help me understand?
If your a strat player it makes sense to capture and hide Cv's. 1) it's a percentage to capture criteria 2) if the baddies get it back they'll use it against you. This makes capturing other bases harder because you have to watch your back for this marauding Cv.
There is a time and place to use captured Cv's but not alot of strat players have the slitest incling as to when and by default mentality run the Cv. As to parking them in pretty patens your guess is as good as mine.
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Been going on since I joined AH2, so its not "In the current era".
Whether you agree with hiding CVs depends on if you play the game strategically or not.
Kev, good to see you. Was just thinking about you yesterday, and hoping all is well.
There's a couple posts that capture the "don't hide the CV" opinion: 1) We pay $15 a month to fight, and the 2nd being that "lack of confidence" drives the decision.
Forcing one's enemy to have an airfield less is a good move in my book. Used to be the de rigeur of AH years and years ago. With the changes towards fur and away from plans of action devised to win the war, capturing and hiding a CV happens less frequently.
AH was multidimensional, challenging, and more fun formerly.
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I'll be honest here. Considering this is a game it's kind of lame to remove a potential source of fun from play. But from a military strategy point of view it's right out of Sun Tzu's, "Art of War". Denying an asset to your enemy permanently even if it means denying it to yourself temporarily is sound strategy. That does not mean it's the most fun strategy, but it's undeniably the smart play. It would only be correct to return the CV to play if the port were re-secured and able to be adequately defended. In the era we are currently in of rampant NOE raids to vacant bases and the "win at all costs, fun be damned" mantra, it's perfectly reasonable for this behavior to continue and be considered acceptable...
I agree Zazen! And this is a game for entertainment! What some seem to miss is that without the engagements whats the purpose in doing any of it. If some one wants to take bases with no resistance and little effort they can do it all they want as far as I care. But when these things deny others of their enjoyment that they pay for is very immature. CV's being hid falls in to this catagory for me. If a country can take the port and kill the CV then they would use it to attack another base creating more engagements, and more entertainment. I fly knights on a regular bases and if I see knights hiding CV's they won't be hiden long. I'm not trying to grief any of the griefers or anyone else, but I think it's hindering game play to do that.
Lambo
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I agree Zazen! And this is a game for entertainment! What some seem to miss is that without the engagements whats the purpose in doing any of it. If some one wants to take bases with no resistance and little effort they can do it all they want as far as I care. But when these things deny others of their enjoyment that they pay for is very immature. CV's being hid falls in to this catagory for me. If a country can take the port and kill the CV then they would use it to attack another base creating more engagements, and more entertainment. I fly knights on a regular bases and if I see knights hiding CV's they won't be hiden long. I'm not trying to grief any of the griefers or anyone else, but I think it's hindering game play to do that.
Lambo
I am with you 100%, but try to move it into the action and country text will light up with calls you are a spy, noob, dweeb etc from all the arm chair generals.
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LOL I know Scca. I guess I can go overboard when I feel justified, it's one of my faults.
Lambo
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And we thank them for it.
(the good furballing)
I need to get a good snapshot that shows what most of the planes that up are when there is a cv around. I can up an LA7 and just BnZ with little threat to my plane other then an occasional 4 hog running me down. Im not saying that its just the bish/rooks who do it but CV planes are easily outmatched if you dont get a good advantage in numbers right off the bat. And this is hard because cv mission/sightings are a big dealby the armchair generals
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Kev, good to see you. Was just thinking about you yesterday, and hoping all is well.
There's a couple posts that capture the "don't hide the CV" opinion: 1) We pay $15 a month to fight, and the 2nd being that "lack of confidence" drives the decision.
Forcing one's enemy to have an airfield less is a good move in my book. Used to be the de rigeur of AH years and years ago. With the changes towards fur and away from plans of action devised to win the war, capturing and hiding a CV happens less frequently.
AH was multidimensional, challenging, and more fun formerly.
what did HTC change to make the game more furball friendly?
In the grand scope of things, hiding CV doesn't really do anything. I guess yes it does prevent the "enemy" from having it...but really... when a CV shows up to a base, it can be sunk in a matter of minutes, if the players there want to. Any extended fight and it is toast. Maps, from what I see are not reset very often (then again I don't play a whole lot) and when they are, it's not because someone hid the CV, it's because one team has enough players to swarm and put up missions against the defenders, and defend what they have. That's about it.
I guess it comes down to if you think the process of fighting from and sinking the CV is more fun/important, than, potentially losing one, of many bases. As far as a weapon, CV is great, if there isn't a large force defending, or if no one notices you, but as it is, it is quite fragile, and imho, not a serious force that could turn the tide of war. If your team is in a situation where actually hiding the CV is your last hope of winning/prevention of reset, I don't think it's going to make a big difference either way.
Personally, I don't think the CV itself should be counted as a base, count the port, and let the CV serve as only a weapon.....or count it as a base, and somehow increase it's survivability, making it something to actually be "feared." not just a target for a set of lancs.
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pluck that is a very good/fair post and I would definately agree with making the CV not count as a %.
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in the mid war (perhaps the other arenas as well) that practice is prevalent irrespective of country. the current main offenders are the nits under the leadership of VF15. about the time school lets out it's not uncommon to see nits with a two to three to one numerical advantage over both the other teams combined and then rolling bases utilizing lancstukas. once they have all the CVs they "hide" them up far out of reach.
the good news is that there are usually plenty of targets to shoot at and every now and again one is a fairly decent player.
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in the mid war (perhaps the other arenas as well) that practice is prevalent irrespective of country. the current main offenders are the nits under the leadership of VF15. about the time school lets out it's not uncommon to see nits with a two to three to one numerical advantage over both the other teams combined and then rolling bases utilizing lancstukas. once they have all the CVs they "hide" them up far out of reach.
Cheesey tactics. I think hiding the CV's cheats the arena out of good fights. IMHO the cv to base fights, real close in, are tons of fun. I know there are plenty of people who prefer this kind of fight above others. I upped a zeke a couple of times last tour and had a blast. It's a shame that some misguided people are willing to deny furball fun for the rest.
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LOL dont even get me started on the Jokers spying <Finger> most of the Jokers
:uhoh Never been fingered before...thanks Junky...I think.
BTW, I love the signature...everyone likes a good party! :rock
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If a country can take the port and kill the CV then they would use it to attack another base creating more engagements, and more entertainment.
Lambo
As a strat player I'm all for hidding Cv's but not as a default. There are times to use them and times to push them to the back. The guy with "rank" should be able to see an advantage when presented and push the attack.
There is another side to the coin. Players as a team have captured that port & Cv and guarded it on it's egress. Considering it's only strat players capturing Cv's I think they earned the right to park it up untill it's safe to move it up. Bearing in mind it's often a good source of conflict to stop the suiciding bombers getting it back when they get their port back.
I've been here long enough to whiteness all sort of scenario's with Cv's which see them sunk in quick time. Poor command by placing of Cv under SB or at PT spawn. Locking the command so it can't be turned away from bombers etc. I've also witnessed plenty of occasions when our fields are being attacked by a Cv and no one gives a dam. So much for the "it's about the fight" argument. Had that been a resunk captured Cv a few chaps wouldn't be best pleased.
All I can suggest is to reason with the "rank" player when the Cv's port is safe from capture. It should be pushed back into the fight.
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As a strat player I'm all for hidding Cv's but not as a default. There are times to use them and times to push them to the back. The guy with "rank" should be able to see an advantage when presented and push the attack.There is another side to the coin. Players as a team have captured that port & Cv and guarded it on it's egress. Considering it's only strat players capturing Cv's I think they earned the right to park it up untill it's safe to move it up. Bearing in mind it's often a good source of conflict to stop the suiciding bombers getting it back when they get their port back.
I've been here long enough to whiteness all sort of scenario's with Cv's which see them sunk in quick time. Poor command by placing of Cv under SB or at PT spawn. Locking the command so it can't be turned away from bombers etc. I've also witnessed plenty of occasions when our fields are being attacked by a Cv and no one gives a dam. So much for the "it's about the fight" argument. Had that been a resunk captured Cv a few chaps wouldn't be best pleased.
All I can suggest is to reason with the "rank" player when the Cv's port is safe from capture. It should be pushed back into the fight.
So only the guys with "rank" are the ones smart enough to know when to properly use a CV. I always hear on this board that score doesn't matter, but I guess in this situation it does.
Not trying to start anything LYNX, I just thought the post was a bit interesting concerning most senior players opinions about score.
Just a thought...
Fred
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@ Steve - Usually agree with you on lot. not this time. The strat (win the war) guys are the ones who get the CV in the first place. So how are they denying you anything, without them you wouldn't have it in the first place. Sounds like you want the best of both worlds, but at the same time decrying the guys who captured it in the first place.
@Lynx - Yup mate just about spot on, although rank doesn't neccessarily mean 'smarts'.
Once the fields surrounding the port have been captured then I see no reason why the CV can't be brought back into action. Remember on the old pizza map one time. We had 4 CVs steaming along together, the ack was a nightmare for incoming buffs!!!!
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As a strat player I'm all for hidding Cv's but not as a default. There are times to use them and times to push them to the back. The guy with "rank" should be able to see an advantage when presented and push the attack.
There is another side to the coin. Players as a team have captured that port & Cv and guarded it on it's egress. Considering it's only strat players capturing Cv's I think they earned the right to park it up untill it's safe to move it up. Bearing in mind it's often a good source of conflict to stop the suiciding bombers getting it back when they get their port back.
I've been here long enough to whiteness all sort of scenario's with Cv's which see them sunk in quick time. Poor command by placing of Cv under SB or at PT spawn. Locking the command so it can't be turned away from bombers etc. I've also witnessed plenty of occasions when our fields are being attacked by a Cv and no one gives a dam. So much for the "it's about the fight" argument. Had that been a resunk captured Cv a few chaps wouldn't be best pleased.
All I can suggest is to reason with the "rank" player when the Cv's port is safe from capture. It should be pushed back into the fight.
Good point Lynx and I agree with this %100, there is always a flipside. Sometimes the CV might need to be taken out of play, but not taken out of the game like some people do.
No offense but it's not just strat players responsible for capturing CV's or anything else. I've helped take a lot of CV's and ports and I don't consider myself a strat guy.
Lambo
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So only the guys with "rank" are the ones smart enough to know when to properly use a CV. I always hear on this board that score doesn't matter, but I guess in this situation it does.
Not trying to start anything LYNX, I just thought the post was a bit interesting concerning most senior players opinions about score.
Just a thought...
Fred
Like I always say rank is only good for one thing only and that's acquiring the pink slip for the Cv's. Unfortunately I've seen rank players lock Cv's away for no good reason. I've also seen them trot the cv past 2 shore bats like some target drone . Some folks can't see past the end of their nose let alone the opportunity before them.
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No offense but it's not just strat players responsible for capturing CV's or anything else. I've helped take a lot of CV's and ports and I don't consider myself a strat guy.
Lambo
More often than not its the strat / win the war guys who take ports.
If theres a furball going on those guys will be there, but usually not there for the capture.
Judging by all the posts recently they are usually more annoyed than anything else.
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The cvs are there for RacrX's political gains. How can he become president if noone gets to see "RacrX for pres" in the cv paths......... :aok
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I'll be honest here. Considering this is a game it's kind of lame to remove a potential source of fun from play. But from a military strategy point of view it's right out of Sun Tzu's, "Art of War". Denying an asset to your enemy permanently even if it means denying it to yourself temporarily is sound strategy. That does not mean it's the most fun strategy, but it's undeniably the smart play. It would only be correct to return the CV to play if the port were re-secured and able to be adequately defended. In the era we are currently in of rampant NOE raids to vacant bases and the "win at all costs, fun be damned" mantra, it's perfectly reasonable for this behavior to continue and be considered acceptable...
He said "rampant NOE raids"? :confused: :confused: :confused: