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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mojava on September 09, 2008, 10:05:52 AM
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On a serious note, those wacky euros are starting up the Hadron Collider tomorrow. Could be curtains for us all, or maybe the answers to the mystery's of the universe. At least here's an informative article on what to tell your kids on your last day on earth http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2008/09/the-large-hadro.html (http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2008/09/the-large-hadro.html)
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:lol
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On a serious note, those wacky euros are starting up the Hadron Collider tomorrow. Could be curtains for us all, or maybe the answers to the mystery's of the universe. At least here's an informative article on what to tell your kids on your last day on earth http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2008/09/the-large-hadro.html (http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2008/09/the-large-hadro.html)
all our earthly problems will be over. At least for those of us that believe in God. the rest of you hosers?.....oh well :aok
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Only a one way test tomorrow. The first collision is not planned for another month or so.
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I just find it interesting that all the expert scientific minds say it will be not harmful
Weren't those expert scientists who blew up nuclear bombs in the western US while sitting in the fallout - expert scientists?
:rofl
NwBie
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Well if it blows up everything we will never know about it.
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It's actually still gonna be another month before it's turned completely on and have the particles sent around clockwise & counterclockwise near the speed of light and collided together, which is where the end of the world type stuff is supposed to happen.
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On a serious note... is there something about the size of this that actually makes it more dangerous than other particle accelerators/colliders already in existence?
Isn't there one of these in Louisiana or somewhere that is currently operating and producing anti-matter?
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This may well be what nostradamus was talking about :noid
I watched a fascinating program on TV about it the other night and whilst most of it was way above my simple mind it did sound pretty crazy.
They are looking for a particle that they havent quantified yet and believe this was the spark of the big bang. When the atoms collide they hope they will catch a glimpse of it in a photo.
Then there was something about string theory that sounded plausible but then again I hope something good comes from it.
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3...2.....1.....Fire!
Ooooops....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6YvhhY_N5A&feature=related
:t,
Wab
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Everyone knows the end of the world wont arrive until the Vogons get here to make way for a new hyperspace expressway
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Everyone knows the end of the world wont arrive until the Vogons get here to make way for a new hyperspace expressway
... or the Mayan calendar runs out... :devil
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I'm betting it creates more questions than answers, at least I hope so. Would hate to see all the money and effort gone into this project without getting a little wonderment in return.
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On a serious note... is there something about the size of this that actually makes it more dangerous than other particle accelerators/colliders already in existence?
Isn't there one of these in Louisiana or somewhere that is currently operating and producing anti-matter?
This is just going on some faint photographic memory, but the LHC's collisions are probably at least an order of magnitude more powerful than any other on the planet. I think I saw most accelerators at some single digit GeV, while the LHC is supposed to start at 7 TeV and get to twice that (that's off the top of my head, though). IIRC only a few accelerators are in the 10s or 100s of GeV range.
As for the dangers.. Yeah, probably more dangerous, but if that means a 100 fold increase of a .0000000000000000000x probability... I'm betting it creates more questions than answers, at least I hope so. Would hate to see all the money and effort gone into this project without getting a little wonderment in return.
Yep. I forgot the details, but iirc the consensus is that finding that higgs boson would validate present theories and not leave much to go on, past that.
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Everyone knows the end of the world wont arrive until the Vogons get here to make way for a new hyperspace expressway
Don't panic...
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Everyone knows the end of the world wont arrive until the Vogons get here to make way for a new hyperspace expressway
I'll be long gone before that.
My towel is already packed.
I'm not sticking around for any of their damn poetry :noid
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On a serious note, those wacky euros are starting up the Hadron Collider tomorrow. Could be curtains for us all, or maybe the answers to the mystery's of the universe. At least here's an informative article on what to tell your kids on your last day on earth http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2008/09/the-large-hadro.html (http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2008/09/the-large-hadro.html)
Hmm maybe I should call the bank, cancel the mortgage and car payment checks and then go party down?? :D
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Isn't there one of these in Louisiana or somewhere that is currently operating and producing anti-matter?
The one that your thinking of is actually not that far from my house, it's the Tevatron at Fermi lab here in IL, this one is only 4 miles in circumference, the LHC is 17 miles in circumference, now with it being bigger they can speed the particles up to speeds closer to the speed of light, I think at the LHC the protons will travel around the 17 mile accelerator 11,000 times a second, then have anti-protons sent around in the other direction and then have them collide together, and with the bigger particle accelerator they'll be able to learn more about the big bang.
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Well if it blows up everything we will never know about it.
Actually, you probably would. Despite all our jokes at school about "no more maths prep for us", our physics teacher told us that any black hole formed would probably be around the size of an atom, and would take hundreds or thousands of years to begin doing any serious damage.
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They say very small black holes could form from this, that dissapears really fast. Alltough im not at ease with creating any kind of black holes down here on earth. Imagine if one of those things starts to get larger...
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I think it's hard to know if a black hole can get larger. If it gains mass as matter is sucked into it then yes, it is getting larger. It might also be simply a hole in space where matter is forced into another dimension or area of our own which does not alter the hole itself.
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They are hoping to spot Dark Energy, which they know is in the Universe but cannot detect it yet.
Stupid question... how do they get particles to collide? Must be heck of a shot to get something that small going that fast to hit eachother ;)
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I think they are shooting a stream of protons in opposite directions which they are able to steer into each other.
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I just find it interesting that all the expert scientific minds say it will be not harmful
Weren't those expert scientists who blew up nuclear bombs in the western US while sitting in the fallout - expert scientists?
:rofl
NwBie
Most, but not ALL scientists, though those actually voicing concerns are certainly a tiny minority. Regarding the Los Alamos scientists of which you speak, there's an interesting historical note I read in the book "Day of Trinity" (at least that's where I remember reading it), which was about the Manhattan Project. As those very learned men sat in the New Mexico desert counting down the last minutes before the first atom bomb was tested, some were engaged in a quite lively and serious debate. The subject was whether or not the atomic explosion would in turn ignite the Earth's atmosphere and destroy all life on the planet. We which side won that debate; guess we'll all find out at the same time who wins this one. :devil
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as a side note if this is a potential black hole that we create on our door step and it starts swallowing up all mass lighter than itself including us surely some intelligent Aliens will come along and take our toys away from us. :noid
Maybe it is a pre-emptive attack and they wont intervene.
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:aok 2 0 1 2 :rock
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Aw hell why does the world end on my first day of school? Bloody Europeans, you couldn't end it two months ago when I was engrossed in my dedication to spending as much time as possible in a warm and comfortable bed and would have welcomed the end of the planet as then I wouldn't have had do anything silly; like eat, go to the bathroom, take the occasional shower, or excercise?
(Best summer routine... ever: Wakeup, hygiene, excercise, shower, breakfast, go back to bed. Wakeup, hygiene, lunch, light excercise, go back to bed. Wakeup, grumble, dinner, hygiene, go back to bed until morning. Random bathroom breaks inbetween events.)
As far as the accelerators go... I'm betting on nothing more than a massive release of energy in a small space. No real world-ending event, just really expensive fireworks.
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When an individual dies, does the universe end for them? If so then who gives a ****
We all get to die.
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When an individual dies, does the universe end for them? If so then who gives a ****
We all get to die.
Even ignoring the possibility of a supernatural existence the law of conservation of energy suggests that individuals don't cease to exist.
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im very anxious to watch this experiment start, not only because i live close to Cern ;)
only dumb people are scared, but those people who work at the LHC (aprox 4000) are not dumb,
this is our elite trying to find answeres about the beginning/creating Matter
just after the Big Bang. We maybe will find the Higgs boson, dubbed the "God Particle".
Watch a live broadcast here tomorrow:
http://webcast.cern.ch/index.html
here are good Picture from the LHC:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html
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Iron, can you expand on that last suggestion a bit?
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Iron, can you expand on that last suggestion a bit?
Sure. Assuming there is no part of you which does not exist in the known physical realm (a faulty assumption imo), what are you but your thoughts and memories? What are those thoughts but chemically created electrical impulses? Electrical current produces electromagnetic waves which radiate outward forever into space. What happens to those waves in a closed system which time/space may be?
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On a serious note, those wacky euros are starting up the Hadron Collider tomorrow. Could be curtains for us all, or maybe the answers to the mystery's of the universe. At least here's an informative article on what to tell your kids on your last day on earth http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2008/09/the-large-hadro.html (http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2008/09/the-large-hadro.html)
Such a shame you'd have to die a virgin, eh?
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This made me chuckle today...
(http://www.google.com/logos/lhc.gif)
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Don't worry nothing will happen....................... ....What's that rumbling sound..............
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Im prepared, got my bath towell to hand :)
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from what I understand, if we don't flip inside out and become a blackhole it will take 10 years for any real information to be gathered from this. And just like nukes ..well it didn't kill us the first time .... it'll be, that was cool let's make a bigger one.
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Nice one Dux! :lol
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On a serious note, those wacky euros are starting up the Hadron Collider tomorrow. Could be curtains for us all, or maybe the answers to the mystery's of the universe. At least here's an informative article on what to tell your kids on your last day on earth http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2008/09/the-large-hadro.html (http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2008/09/the-large-hadro.html)
well??????? we're still here??
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Isnt there ah theory everything has an opposite! If a black hole is created a white hole is formed. So maybe the universe moved 10 ft. and we had no clue :rolleyes:
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well??????? we're still here??
for the noobs who dont know **** about LHC,
it takes aprox 1 month to accelerate the protons (and later heavy ions) successively close to the speed of light.
Ask your question in a month or so, until then LHC is increasing their energy on a daily note...
..and then they will let them collide with aprox 1150 teraelectron volts... BANG
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Wow.... :cool:
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for the noobs who dont know **** about LHC,
it takes aprox 1 month to accelerate the protons (and later heavy ions) successively close to the speed of light.
Ask your question in a month or so, until then LHC is increasing their energy on a daily note...
..and then they will let them collide with aprox 1150 teraelectron volts... BANG
well i have lived a good life.... wait im F***ing 18 :cry :cry
i really dont think it will be too bad, im faithful with our scientists
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Isnt there ah theory everything has an opposite! If a black hole is created a white hole is formed. So maybe the universe moved 10 ft. and we had no clue :rolleyes:
i think its a Newton Law your thinking of, "every reaction has an equal but opposite reaction"
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Sure. Assuming there is no part of you which does not exist in the known physical realm (a faulty assumption imo), what are you but your thoughts and memories? What are those thoughts but chemically created electrical impulses? Electrical current produces electromagnetic waves which radiate outward forever into space. What happens to those waves in a closed system which time/space may be?
Thoughts have content, electrical impulses do not. What makes human action different from mere motion is rationality: a mental cause that is also a reason. Give that up and I agree with what you suggest.
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Thoughts have content, electrical impulses do not. What makes human action different from mere motion is rationality: a mental cause that is also a reason. Give that up and I agree with what you suggest.
I was only suggesting that based on current western philosphy, matter and energy never cease to exist but only change form and in fact may be the same. Our concept and perception of time may be leading us to false notions about the true nature of our existence, all just fanciful speculation. However, I do have faith that there is more to our existence than we are currently able to perceive.
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for the noobs who dont know **** about LHC,
it takes aprox 1 month to accelerate the protons (and later heavy ions) successively close to the speed of light.
Ask your question in a month or so, until then LHC is increasing their energy on a daily note...
..and then they will let them collide with aprox 1150 teraelectron volts... BANG
well, since the originsal poster thought the world was gonna end today, i though i'd be a bit of a wise assss.........
but.......i just learned something,,,,,i had no clue it took that long for them to accelerate.
<<S>>
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Somewhere I read that they're not reaching full power before 2012 :noid
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Guess what else had a Large Hadron Collider?
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/death-star-1.jpg)
Yup.
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Shoot, it's the 11th and I fell asleep before I knew! :noid
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..and then they will let them collide with aprox 1150 teraelectron volts... BANG
When CERN needed a battery to power the largest scientific experimental machine ever made, they chose Duracell.
(http://www.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg/cat/blog/tech_cameos/duracell_matrix.jpg)
Duracell: the Official battery of the Large Hadron Collider.
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When CERN needed a battery to power the largest scientific experimental machine ever made, they chose Duracell.
(http://www.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg/cat/blog/tech_cameos/duracell_matrix.jpg)
Duracell: the Official battery of the Large Hadron Collider.
now THAT's funny :rofl :rofl
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AMEN! :rofl
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HA, theres is only 17 miles! :lol
The one being planned for Texas is 60 miles. Well show those eurapeons how smashing sub atomic particles is really done (in 20 years when the thing actually gets built).
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HA, theres is only 17 miles! :lol
The one being planned for Texas is 60 miles. Well show those eurapeons how smashing sub atomic particles is really done (in 20 years when the thing actually gets built).
Last I heard the SSC in Texas ran out of the fuel it needed for completion: funding.
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By judging these forums I think we are in an internal time loop. :rofl :rofl
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its not really that funny... if they do it wrong, it can cause a nuke or a black hole...
-BigBOBCH
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Nothing to fear....my handy Mayan calander told me so :rofl
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HA, theres is only 17 miles! :lol
The one being planned for Texas is 60 miles. Well show those eurapeons how smashing sub atomic particles is really done (in 20 years when the thing actually gets built).
The SSC was canceled back in 1993, after they had already spent $2 billion of the projected $12 billion price tag, what a waste of an extremely large amount of money if you ask me.
Congress had decided that it could only afford to build either the ISS(International Space Station) or the SSC(Superconducting Super Collider), and decided to go with the ISS.
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Everyone knows the end of the world wont arrive until the Vogons get here to make way for a new hyperspace expressway
bypass.
(ahem)
cough.
;)
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Just a few days from the "End-of-the World", then you have.......
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:7iKuttxJKVS0iM:http://upload.moldova.org/movie/movies/g/groundhog_day/thumbnails/tn2_groundhog_day_1.jpg)
GROUND-HOG DAY!
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its not really that funny... if they do it wrong, it can cause a nuke or a black hole...
-BigBOBCH
You really should change your stance. In that case, if your turn out to be wrong, there won't be anyone around to point fingers at you afterwards. :)
Seriously, in nature (or space) subatomic particles collide at near-light speed like this all the time, which has yet to cause the world to end. What will happen here is simply that they do it in a controlled manner, so they can measure the effects of the collision.
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I think about 6 months ago, a mass at least equal to the earth was spotted going somewhere near c. Like 80-95% lightspeed... There was no mention of anything odd going on in those observations.
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I think about 6 months ago, a mass at least equal to the earth was spotted going somewhere near c. Like 80-95% lightspeed... There was no mention of anything odd going on in those observations.
uh oh, where's lelu?
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MUL-TI-PASS
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/REM_End_of_the_World_US7.jpg)
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http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn12051-jets-of-matter-clocked-at-nearlight-speed.html
200x the earth's worth going at .99c, but it's probably not anywhere as dense as the earth. I wonder what chemistry's like in a collision between a relativistic particle and a regular one..
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Beside the Micro black holes, there is greater (1000 and more) chance to produce Strangelets.
None where found so far at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) but it is believed that the
higher energy of the lead-lead collisions of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), compared to the RHIC,
will produce more strange quarks in the quark-gluon plasma (QGP).
Before i try to explain it with my poor english skill here a fast explanation from Wiki:
If the strange matter hypothesis is correct and a strangelet comes in contact with a lump of
ordinary matter such as Earth, it could convert the ordinary matter to strange matter.
This "ice-nine" disaster scenario is as follows: one strangelet hits a nucleus, catalyzing its
immediate conversion to strange matter. This liberates energy, producing a larger, more
stable strangelet, which in turn hits another nucleus, catalyzing its conversion to strange matter.
In the end, all the nuclei of all the atoms of Earth are converted, and Earth is reduced to a hot,
large lump of strange matter.
good night from here
;)
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(http://twistedphysics.typepad.com/cocktail_party_physics/images/2008/03/30/lhcdoom.jpg)
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You really should change your stance. In that case, if your turn out to be wrong, there won't be anyone around to point fingers at you afterwards. :)
Seriously, in nature (or space) subatomic particles collide at near-light speed like this all the time, which has yet to cause the world to end. What will happen here is simply that they do it in a controlled manner, so they can measure the effects of the collision.
maybee u should look it up buddy, i know wat im talking about
-BigBOBCH
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maybee u should look it up buddy, i know wat im talking about
-BigBOBCH
:rofl
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(http://twistedphysics.typepad.com/cocktail_party_physics/images/2008/03/30/lhcdoom.jpg)
(http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/2088/eatingfoodos9.jpg)
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(http://twistedphysics.typepad.com/cocktail_party_physics/images/2008/03/30/lhcdoom.jpg)
(http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/2088/eatingfoodos9.jpg)
Bad Puzsy.
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If threads like this are the future of our culture, I say destroy the universe in the name of science...
Gads... Anything that makes it end will cheer me up.
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I didn't realize it busted.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/09/20/hadron.collider.damage.ap/index.html
The end of the world is now delayed.
Experts have gone into the 17-mile (27-kilometer) circular tunnel housing the Large Hadron Collider under the Swiss-French border to examine the damage that halted operations about 36 hours after its September 10 startup, said James Gillies, spokesman for CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research.
"It's too early to say precisely what happened, but it seems to be a faulty electrical connection between two magnets that stopped superconducting, melted and led to a mechanical failure and let the helium out," Gillies told The Associated Press.
Is this another case of a $10 billion machine breaking down over a fifty-cent wire?
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Bad news for the LHC today, it's gonna be down for atleast 2 months after an electrical problem in a section of the super conducting magnet release liquid hydrogen into it, so they have to heat it up so they can get in it to be fix, then cool it back down again, which will take approximately 2 months.
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On a serious note, those wacky euros are starting up the Hadron Collider tomorrow. Could be curtains for us all, or maybe the answers to the mystery's of the universe. At least here's an informative article on what to tell your kids on your last day on earth http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2008/09/the-large-hadro.html (http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2008/09/the-large-hadro.html)
We're perfectly safe until 12-21-2012.
After that all bets are off.
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Well.. 'we' .. slip in the shower, get pnuemonia, have a car crash, or just plain old get shot.
Every day.
There are no guarantees, except one.
-GE
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http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html