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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Charon on September 10, 2008, 02:32:22 PM
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Oh NOES!
If Americans choose McCain, they will be turning their back on the rest of the world, choosing to show us four more years of the Bush-Cheney finger. And I predict a deeply unpleasant shift.
Until now, anti-Americanism has been exaggerated and much misunderstood: outside a leftist hardcore, it has mostly been anti-Bushism, opposition to this specific administration. But if McCain wins in November, that might well change. Suddenly Europeans and others will conclude that their dispute is with not only one ruling clique, but Americans themselves. For it will have been the American people, not the politicians, who will have passed up a once-in-a-generation chance for a fresh start - a fresh start the world is yearning for.
...If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make no mistake, we shall hear it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/10/uselections2008.barackobama
Elect McCain and Europe takes it's ball and goes home? Disbands NATO? Removes US basing? One could only hope. I'm not too excited about a McCain win (though he's talking a very good game right now relative to what I would like to see in Washington regarding reform). But hysterical reactions such as this just keep building my desire to see an Obama loss. The gnashing of teeth, the wailing, the melting computer screens from all of the digital vitriol that would be produced. maybe even a few more celebrities actually keeping their word and joining their expats in Europe.
Charon
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Oh my. :confused:
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I am totally without words. How uncivilized of us if we vote McCain. I mean, shouldn't we listen to a world that doesn't know what dental hygiene is, doesn't use deorderant unless on a date, and lets raw sewage run in the rivers but considers Americans uncivilized?
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Oh NOES!
Elect McCain and Europe takes it's ball and goes home? Disbands NATO? Removes US basing?
That`s a big plus. Screw em.
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Oh NOES!
Elect McCain and Europe takes it's ball and goes home? Disbands NATO? Removes US basing? One could only hope. I'm not too excited about a McCain win (though he's talking a very good game right now relative to what I would like to see in Washington regarding reform). But hysterical reactions such as this this just keeps building my desire to see an Obama loss. The gnashing of teeth, the wailing, the melting computer screens from all of the digital vitriol that would be produced. maybe even a few more celebrities actually keeping their word and joining their expats in Europe.
Charon
maybe if the rest of the world doesnt like the president "WE" democratically vote in and want us out of all of these "unions", we can get back to just taking care of ourselves, instead of babysitting and supporting the rest of the world!!!
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well.. we certainly wouldn't want to strike a blow against socialism and bad teeth now would we?
lazs
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what a pathetic collection of messages
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Damn it, I missed that memo from the rest of world stating that from now on Presidential and Congressional members must be liberals and that we should care or something?
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Look at all the froth emanating from this thread! Almost as bad as that Guardian editorial.
This BBS is amazing. People find some piss poor piece of journo crap, and pin all their xenophobic hang-ups to it. It's like some soft, girl group therapy session with a higher blood pressure.
Carry on. :aok
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what a pathetic collection of messages
You're right, maybe France should adopt him, elect him as PM and show us how it's done. :lol
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Why does this guy think his voice concerning OUR election process actually matters?
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maybe if the rest of the world doesnt like the president "WE" democratically vote in and want us out of all of these "unions", we can get back to just taking care of ourselves, instead of babysitting and supporting the rest of the world!!!
we dont babysit the world, we are the self titled POLICE of the world
big difference
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You're right, maybe France should adopt him, elect him as PM and show us how it's done. :lol
I`ll second that.
A good eBay three day listing is in order.
eBay listing # 100033366553333.
No reserve.
One skinny socialist with commie tendencies.
Guaranteed to be destructive to any country.
Absolutely no returns.
Shipped worldwide.
Seller pays shipping and handling.
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I have NO problem giving the rest of the world the finger. In fact I consider it part of my Patriotic Duty to tell the rest of the world to go pack sand. That's how this country started right? A bunch of pissed off rebels that collectively told England and the rest of the world "Screw you guys, were going to do things our way and if you don't like it, well too damn bad!!!" then we kicked the sorry SOB's out of our country and sent them packing. :salute
Yeah somehow I really don't care what the rest of the world thinks.
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I`ll second that.
A good eBay three day listing is in order.
eBay listing # 100033366553333.
No reserve.
One skinny socialist with commie tendencies.
Guaranteed to be destructive to any country.
Absolutely no returns.
Shipped worldwide.
Seller pays shipping and handling.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Hell, as a bonus, let McCain go with him for free shipping!
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I`ll second that.
A good eBay three day listing is in order.
eBay listing # 100033366553333.
No reserve.
One skinny socialist with commie tendencies.
Guaranteed to be destructive to any country.
Absolutely no returns.
Shipped worldwide.
Seller pays shipping and handling.
A+++++++ will buy again!
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I have NO problem giving the rest of the world the finger. In fact I consider it part of my Patriotic Duty to tell the rest of the world to go pack sand. That's how this country started right? A bunch of pissed off rebels that collectively told England and the rest of the world "Screw you guys, were going to do things our way and if you don't like it, well too damn bad!!!" then we kicked the sorry SOB's out of our country and sent them packing. :salute
Yeah somehow I really don't care what the rest of the world thinks.
we gave England the middle finger, not the world
and France, spain, and germany helped if im not mistaken
it was more the world against the god of the time England
not america against the world
we have only developed and ego from the past 40-50 yrs
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this thread is awesome
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what a pathetic collection of messages
I was just thinking the same thing! :D
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will they also take the UN with them?
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I highly doubt that the numb nut journalist that wrote that piece of trash has any bearing on the beliefs of the "whole" of Europe.
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I woke up this morning caring almost nothing for the rest of the world (except a small patch in the philippines) and after reading that article and the responses in this thread I feel no differently. :lol
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The rest of the world can go.....well....I don't want to appear to bypass the forums vulgarity filter.
When you start running your country based on what other countries think about you---then you haven't been working with your own countries best interest at heart. Who are you elected and paid to serve? Some latte sipping socialist in Europe or Asia?
Our government is elected to serve Americans.
Running it to make some other country happy should be a tar & featherable offence.
(It used to be)
ROX
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The rest of the world can go.....well....I don't want to appear to bypass the forums vulgarity filter.
When you start running your country based on what other countries think about you---then you haven't been working with your own countries best interest at heart. Who are you elected and paid to serve? Some latte sipping socialist in Europe or Asia?
Our government is elected to serve Americans.
Running it to make some other country happy should be a tar & featherable offence.
(It used to be)
ROX
ROX
You should really get out from behind the computer and see the world. Just because some reporter writes a stupid piece does not mean that the rest of the world believes what he wrote. It is his myopic little liberal opinion and nothing more. Actually go see the people from other countries. Live around and understand them, and you might actually realize they aren't all bad.
Until then, you do yourself a great disservice and tend to represent the ignorant foolish American's that do a disservice to all of America.
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the world was pretty harsh when we rejected gore, then even harsher when we rejected kerry. Perhaps if we reject obama the world will finally leave planet earth and we can get on with the business of harvesting unperturbed.
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As Americans we have the right to be non-caring myopic and ignorant about the rest of the world if we want to be! :furious
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Oh NOES!
Elect McCain and Europe takes it's ball and goes home? Disbands NATO? Removes US basing? One could only hope. I'm not too excited about a McCain win (though he's talking a very good game right now relative to what I would like to see in Washington regarding reform). But hysterical reactions such as this just keep building my desire to see an Obama loss. The gnashing of teeth, the wailing, the melting computer screens from all of the digital vitriol that would be produced. maybe even a few more celebrities actually keeping their word and joining their expats in Europe.
Charon
might be that most of hollywood will leave as well? one can only hope
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Freeland is just another pinhead journalist, just on the other side of the pond is all - pretty sure he doesn't speak for the majority of who matter on that side of the world.
like many it seems these days, he is just a misguided fool who probably means well
on other note, why isn't the fact obamaman draws the crowds he does because he pops in on FREE concerts to deliver his kool aid speeches, hardly/never mentioned in the news - print or video?
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I highly doubt that the numb nut journalist that wrote that piece of trash has any bearing on the beliefs of the "whole" of Europe.
One can oly hope.
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Is there anyone who doesn't find it egotistical and arrogant in the extreme for one person to speak for all of Europe?
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sorry, but to be honest they are much more interesting topics around the
world right now then what your country will vote next. I.e. CERN Large Hadron Collider,
thats something the whole world is watching, science and research.
No matter who is your next Pres. he will have the (un)luck to finish a **** job
your last Pres. have started and left!
heh
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I feel sorry for Americans.
They get to choose either an empty headed, grandstanding idiot who thinks he's Martin Luther King Jr Jr, or a broken old man who, despite being quite decent and honest, is being used by people not nearly as decent as him. Palin is about as nasty as Clinton and deeply unattractive either as a woman or politician.
But then, I guess it's the same everywhere.
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will they also take the UN with them?
One can only hope.
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I was just thinking the same thing! :D
Maybe euro weenies will run to UN mods because they don't like our choice. Would you approve of this?
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I would vote for Yulia Tymoshenko, but only because she has a princess leia quality about her. Though she is nowhere near as hot as Queen Rania of Jordan, i would be more than happy for her to lead my country.
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Thrila, this thread is no place for a raghead lover. Only rampant xenophobia is alllowed. Queen Rania is not welcome here! Just how many mooses has she killed and exactly how many times has she seen Red Dawn?
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I highly doubt that the numb nut journalist that wrote that piece of trash has any bearing on the beliefs of the "whole" of Europe.
No, but he sure represents the thoughts of many Europeans.
When you start running your country based on what other countries think about you---then you haven't been working with your own countries best interest at heart. Who are you elected and paid to serve? Some latte sipping socialist in Europe or Asia?
And just how would you happen to know the political affiliations of all Europeans?
Is there anyone who doesn't find it egotistical and arrogant in the extreme for one person to speak for all of Europe?
Yep. Right here. However, the reason for this is that the journalist is right in that most Europeans far prefer Obama. So therefore it is not "egotistical and arrogant in the extreme" for him to have written that. And where exactly does he claim to "speak for all of Europe"?
Maybe euro weenies will run to UN mods because they don't like our choice. Would you approve of this?
Well, it would be entertaining, but useless. The UN isn't overly concerned with the US elections last I heard.
I sincerely doubt that any of you would criticise an article that claimed to speak for all of the USA, and that supported McCain.
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Thrila, this thread is no place for a raghead lover. Only rampant xenophobia is alllowed. Queen Rania is not welcome here! Just how many mooses has she killed and exactly how many times has she seen Red Dawn?
oh noes! i've been islamaphied. :mad:
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Actually the rest of the world would be better off if they said they'd be mad if we voted Obama in, most of all the Europeans.
That would grab the "screw the rest of the world vote" which in America is a sizable voting bloc. The "screw the Europeans" is an even larger voting bloc.
I mean, "and I'm saying this to the non-Americans here", imagine how you would feel if we told you who to vote for in your elections? Not that we could care less or even name the person running your country in the first place. The simple fact is it aint our business who you vote in. And it aint your business who we vote in either.
And I dont want to hear any, "but American policy affects us" nonsense either. You can take that to the UN and tell them, "btw we dont care what the UN thinks either". A lot of us think it would make a fine target for an airstrike.
So to sum it up "we dont care about the worlds verdict". In fact the world can stuff its verdict up its south end when facing north.
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Yep. Right here. However, the reason for this is that the journalist is right in that most Europeans far prefer Obama. So therefore it is not "egotistical and arrogant in the extreme" for him to have written that. And where exactly does he claim to "speak for all of Europe"?
This:
If Americans choose McCain, they will be turning their back on the rest of the world, choosing to show us four more years of the Bush-Cheney finger. And I predict a deeply unpleasant shift.
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"screw the rest of the world vote" which in America is a sizable voting bloc. The "screw the Europeans" is an even larger voting bloc.
wow surprise, we allready know this, why start this complicated thread then ?
and do you really think we think different? :lol
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wow surprise, we allready know this, why start this complicated thread then ?
and do you really think we think different? :lol
I didnt start any thread, nor do I find it complicated.
The difference is I'd bet you could talk to anyone of the 270 million Americans and not a one of them who care who the German people elected. The reason for that is because "it aint our business".
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I didnt start any thread, nor do I find it complicated.
The difference is I'd bet you could talk to anyone of the 270 million Americans and not a one of them who care who the German people elected. The reason for that is because "it aint our business".
read my first post on side #3
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However, the reason for this is that the journalist is right in that most Europeans far prefer Obama.
What makes you think America gives one rats butt what Europeans think? :)
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about 3 pages makes me think that. :D
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The rest of the world is responding better to the bull$%^T propaganda from the obama campaign that McCain is a carbon copy of the bush/cheney presidency and 4 more years of the same. which simply isnt true.
This is why we have the vote for our presidency and not the europeans and the rest of the world.
Maybe Obama will win, Maybe McCain will win but the opinions of other countries are irrelevant when it comes to our presidency, and are biased and based on what they would like to get from us after the election.
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about 3 pages makes me think that. :D
:lol
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What makes you think America gives one rats butt what Europeans think? :)
Give him time, he's young. He hasn't even figured out we don't care what he thinks yet.
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What you Americans need to understand is that the rest of the world is held to ransom by your political decisions due to the fact that what America wants, America will get Any how, any way. So yes the world does and needs to watch what you guys do it affects everybody.
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What you Americans need to understand is that the rest of the world is held to ransom by your political decisions due to the fact that what America wants, America will get Any how, any way. So yes the world does and needs to watch what you guys do it affects everybody.
Don't like us or how we do things.....get a coalition together and come beat us up.....
:D
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What you Americans need to understand is that the rest of the world is held to ransom by your political decisions due to the fact that what America wants, America will get Any how, any way. So yes the world does and needs to watch what you guys do it affects everybody.
Guess it must suck to be you guys then.
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I suspect the euro's have misjudged us.... not much of a surprise, since we think of ourselves as better off than them since we're free, democratic and as such; above reproach from a buncha euroturds.
The reality is they have a pretty good discourse going with their politicians, are better informed on world issues than we are and actually have a bunch of 'independence' related issues to deal with in the construction and acceptance of their new 'federalist' EU.
So.. while I agree with and applaud the instant american reaction to euro lamenting about obama's slide in the polls.. ie; 'Frankly, Pierre, we really don't give a damn what you guys think', we must also resolve ourselves to being fair & even-handed with them after the election.
... and that would be when we tell 'em...
"We STILL don't give a damn what you ungrateful sniveling eurosods think."
Carry on.
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no
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This has to be right...I mean just listen to him....We MUST vote for Obama... :rofl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeuxaQODwTk
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What you Americans need to understand is that the rest of the world is held to ransom by your political decisions due to the fact that what America wants, America will get Any how, any way. So yes the world does and needs to watch what you guys do it affects everybody.
Watching is fine. attempting to influence is another
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No body is trying to influence, they are just giving their opinion...... Is that allowed sires.
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No body is trying to influence, they are just giving their opinion...... Is that allowed sires.
Certainly. We do love hearing your opinions.
Really.
Comedy is hard to come by here lately.
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Certainly. We do love hearing your opinions.
Really.
Comedy is hard to come by here lately.
Well, as long as you know that it goes both ways.
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Well, as long as you know that it goes both ways.
That's why we have Hollywood. They keep you guessing while our military keeps you safe.
You may return to sniveling.
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What makes you think America gives one rats butt what Europeans think? :)
You're mistaken in assuming that you represent the opinion of all of America - let me assure you that you do not. And before you ask how someone who lives in the UK could know this, I'm going to tell you that it's because I've spoken to many many Americans who do care about what the rest of the world (including Europe) thinks about them.
I mean, "and I'm saying this to the non-Americans here", imagine how you would feel if we told you who to vote for in your elections?
To be honest, I really wouldn't give a damn.
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read my first post on side #3
sorry, but to be honest they are much more interesting topics around the
world right now then what your country will vote next. I.e. CERN Large Hadron Collider,
thats something the whole world is watching, science and research.
No matter who is your next Pres. he will have the (un)luck to finish a **** job
your last Pres. have started and left!
heh
I did. And being a European you are programmed to say negative things about George Bush. I know you cant help it, no more then a computer program can help working a certain way. Europeans in general have been mindscrewed by their Leftist/quasi commie Press even more then Americans have. I bet I could travel to Europe and not one Euro would have a positive thing to say about Bush. My God ,even chimpanzees have been shown to be capable of independent thought.
So hows it feel comrade? To be traveling backward in evolution?
I wouldn't voice an opinion on whomever is running Germany, "I take it the last ******* with the Franco/German Empire dream is gone", and I wouldn't voice it cause it "aint my business". And for a German with so many more interesting things to talk and think about you sure are opinionated.
Enjoy your collider. Maybe a few Euros will get hit in the head by Photons and start having orginal opinions about America, or, even better, stop having any about our Politics.
Oh that last guy you had? Schroder? :lol He was a real beaut. :rofl He bombed the snot out of Serbia without UN authorization and then had a few minions call Bush a Nazi for attacking Saddam, after Saddam violated dozens of UN resolutions. Following that he had wet dreams of a Franco/German/Putin Empire. And you Germans followed this moron like he was the Christ. No wonder you sheep once voted in a guy like Hitler. :lol
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What's there to guess, everything happens to America according to Hollywood so were all safe without you.
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I did. And being a European you are programmed to say negative things about George Bush. I know you cant help it, no more then a computer program can help working a certain way. Europeans in general have been mindscrewed by their Leftist/quasi commie Press even more then Americans have. I bet I could travel to Europe and not one Euro would have a positive thing to say about Bush. My God ,even chimpanzees have been shown to be capable of independent thought.
So hows it feel comrade? To be traveling backward in evolution?
I wouldn't voice an opinion on whomever is running Germany, "I take it the last ******* with the Franco/German Empire dream is gone", and I wouldn't voice it cause it "aint my business". And for a German with so many more interesting things to talk and think about you sure are opinionated.
Enjoy your collider. Maybe a few Euros will get hit in the head by Photons and start having orginal opinions about America, or, even better, stop having any about our Politics.
Oh that last guy you had? Schroder? :lol He was a real beaut. :rofl He bombed the snot out of Serbia without UN authorization and then had a few minions call Bush a Nazi for attacking Saddam, after Saddam violated dozens of UN resolutions. And you Germans followed this moron like he was the Christ. No wonder you sheep once voted in a guy like Hitler. :lol
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Oh yeah - your foreign policy affects us. We care when it does so in a bad way. Deal with it.
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Being 'programmed' as you say obviously goes both ways.
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What's there to guess, everything happens to America according to Hollywood so were all safe without you.
Yes, you are. Unless your sheep get all inna uproar, I think Hobbiton is safe.
;)
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You're mistaken in assuming that you represent the opinion of all of America - let me assure you that you do not. And before you ask how someone who lives in the UK could know this, I'm going to tell you that it's because I've spoken to many many Americans who do care about what the rest of the world (including Europe) thinks about them.
To be honest, I really wouldn't give a damn.
You can't have spoken to that many Americans while living in England. :aok
Very few American's actually care what the rest of the world thinks of us. It's not something you would know or even be capable of understanding since you don't live here anyways. A good chunk of the world doesn't (and never has) liked us, so why should we like them?
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Oh yeah - your foreign policy affects us. We care when it does so in a bad way. Deal with it.
For the record, since Im leaving this thread, when I say "Europe" I dont include England.
England isnt Europe. England is England. Which is why we love the buggers so much.
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You can't have spoken to that many Americans while living in England. :aok
Very few American's actually care what the rest of the world thinks of us. It's not something you would know or even be capable of understanding since you don't live here anyways. A good chunk of the world doesn't (and never has) liked us, so why should we like them?
Here's where you're wrong: both my parents were born in the USA, and I've gone there about four times a year for the last 16 years. So yes, I have spoken to a lot of Americans in the past few years, and many of them do care what the rest of the world thinks.
And actually, a good chunk of the world did/does like America. Many people admire America's values and freedoms, which are not seen in many other countries.
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You can't have spoken to that many Americans while living in England. :aok
Very few American's actually care what the rest of the world thinks of us. It's not something you would know or even be capable of understanding since you don't live here anyways. A good chunk of the world doesn't (and never has) liked us, so why should we like them?
Actually, Elfie, it's not 'dislike' for others... we really just don't care. I mean, I don't care if the guy across the road with the goat and the pet duck likes me or not... I just don't give a damn. If he pops up with some commentary on what color I paint my house, I still don't care. As long as he stays over there and confines his displeasure to rhetoric, he's no threat, no problem and off my radar as a factor to be dealt with.
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Actually, Elfie, it's not 'dislike' for others... we really just don't care. I mean, I don't care if the guy across the road with the goat and the pet duck likes me or not... I just don't give a damn. If he pops up with some commentary on what color I paint my house, I still don't care. As long as he stays over there and confines his displeasure to rhetoric, he's no threat, no problem and off my radar as a factor to be dealt with.
Well that's true. ;)
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Here's where you're wrong: both my parents were born in the USA, and I've gone there about four times a year for the last 16 years. So yes, I have spoken to a lot of Americans in the past few years, and many of them do care what the rest of the world thinks.
And actually, a good chunk of the world did/does like America. Many people admire America's values and freedoms, which are not seen in many other countries.
Oh, your vast experience of 16 years.......3 of which you either couldn't talk at all or could barely make coherent sentences.....7 more of which you had absolutely no interest in politics......and the next 6 where all you did was parrot what your parents told you.
I'm betting I speak to more Americans each half year than you have in your whole life.......
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Oh, your vast experience of 16 years.......3 of which you either couldn't talk at all or could barely make coherent sentences.....7 more of which you had absolutely no interest in politics......and the next 6 where all you did was parrot what your parents told you.
I'm betting I speak to more Americans each half year than you have in your whole life.......
Yeah, but we speak to different Americans (probably ;)) And no, I don't parrot what my parents do.
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WAHHHH you Americans are so insulting to us cheese-eating surrender monkeys!
Sorry, straffo. I apologize for my insensitive compatriots :(
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Most Americans don't care what the rest of the world thinks because most don't even own a passport; or they think of Cancun as "traveling abroad." :rofl
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Yup. Touring a third world ghetto ain't much of a vacation.
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Yeah, but we speak to different Americans (probably ;)) And no, I don't parrot what my parents do.
Think about this grasshopper.....you are the only one in this thread that thinks Americans give a flying rats butt what the rest of the world thinks.......well, the only one with American citizenship (notice I didn't call you an American ;) )
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Think about this grasshopper.....you are the only one in this thread that thinks Americans give a flying rats butt what the rest of the world thinks.......well, the only one with American citizenship (notice I didn't call you an American ;) )
Too subtle for me. Please rephrase.
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Too subtle for me. Please rephrase.
Think about it for awhile....you might get it.....then again, you might not. ;)
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Think about this grasshopper.....you are the only one in this thread that thinks Americans give a flying rats butt what the rest of the world thinks.......well, the only one with American citizenship (notice I didn't call you an American ;) )
this is the attitude that is killing us. this nobody gives a s#$t about anybody is just plan stuck up. when you feel so highly of yourself try walking on water and tell me how good you are. Bring back the Ingalls' and Waltons.
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Palin is about as nasty as Clinton and deeply unattractive either as a woman or politician.
source please?
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What you Americans need to understand is that the rest of the world is held to ransom by your political decisions due to the fact that what America wants, America will get Any how, any way. So yes the world does and needs to watch what you guys do it affects everybody.
Hmm, good thing we didn't want Russia to invade Georgia then.
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Think about it for awhile....you might get it.....then again, you might not. ;)
It's 1AM here now, I'll try again at 8AM ;).
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You should really get out from behind the computer and see the world. Just because some reporter writes a stupid piece does not mean that the rest of the world believes what he wrote. It is his myopic little liberal opinion and nothing more. Actually go see the people from other countries. Live around and understand them, and you might actually realize they aren't all bad.
Until then, you do yourself a great disservice and tend to represent the ignorant foolish American's that do a disservice to all of America.
Thank you sir....
Been there. Enjoy it.
Europe, Central America, South America, Canada, (East Germany, "back in the day"), and next month, 4 new countries countries in the Greater Antilles.
As an amateur radio operator I have met and had conversations with individuals from 150+ countries (including Antarctica) on just about every political ideal and subject (except the Soviet hams, who were restricted to only communicate weather, equipment, and antennas) for almost 30 years. I read many foreign newspapers on line and have listened to international shortwave in four languages since I was 10. There are three shortwave receivers in my house as we speak. I have paper and internet "penpals" from 22 countries. I have met 6 of them in person. That was cool.
Nice try.
I'm an American.
I want my elected officials to have the best interests of my country and my neighbors run by Americans how have American's and America's best interest at heart.
Take a look at John Kerry. The guy kept ballin' and cryin' about how badly the "world" thought of us, how important it was that we bow to other countries view of us. That dude is selling ketchup now.
I believe that America needs to have strong international relationships.
Some of those relationships help us on a bilateral trade or interests level.
Some of those relationships (with many third world countries) are mostly one way relationships. They say they hate us, but they sure love gobbling up the groceries when the US Aid, food, medical, etc. ships show up.
When there's a foreign disaster, who's the first country to pony up and offer (and deliver) help? Saudi Arabia? Belgium? Lybia? France? Yemen? No, It's America. That's being a good neighbor. We have other countries peoples flipping us off while they eat food given to them for free by America. We understand that, and we give it anyway. Most Americans are big hearted saps who work hard, go to church on Sunday, and give more money than they probably should to places that hate us--but we are a people who want to help another country pull themselves up by their bootstraps and make their own way. Yeah, we're suckers for kids with swollen stomachs and stick-figures of women suffering from AIDS who just want some relief from their pain in their last hours on earth.
"Ignorant Foolish American That do a disservice to all Americans"
I'm guessing you aren't an American citizen. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
If you were an American citizen, you'd know, in a heartbeat, how misguided that statement is.
If you wish to change America somehow, I invite you, as America invited my ancestors, to come to America, become a citizen, and then get involved and make a difference. I think it would be a great experience for you. You just might be the next polital Arnold Schwarzenegger, or those Cuban refugees in South Florida that are making a difference in that area, or the Russian refugees in New York, or the Chinese in California, or the Vietnamese and Indians in Louisiana. I invite you to be part of whatever solution you think is necessary. That's America.
If you are a foreign citizen, I think making a new life for yourself in America might be the most fulfilling opportunity in your life--and for your family. Unlike many countries--ONE PERSON can make a difference. That just might be you. Think about it. You would be welcomed here.
Are you willing to do that?
Or is it easier to sit back from afar and lob stones at something you are not a part of?
If you think you can somehow have any remotely small part of a say about America from the comfortable confines of your living room in some foreign country? You are barking up the wrong tree.
ROX
BTW: I'm not a liberal. I can't even SEE liberals from where I am. I'm way more conservative than McCain.
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Hmm, good thing we didn't want Russia to invade Georgia then.
It doesn't mean people will catty foot about, and bow and scrape, I was just saying it affects on how decisions will be made and executed.
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this is the attitude that is killing us. this nobody gives a s#$t about anybody is just plan stuck up. when you feel so highly of yourself try walking on water and tell me how good you are. Bring back the Ingalls' and Waltons.
Killing you?
I'll be looking for the obituary.
Meanwhile, pardon us while we look to our knitting. Please don't take it personal if we don't care what you think of the color.
...and try not to get bent if we laugh at you when you do.
carry on.
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Thank you sir....
Been there. Enjoy it.
Europe, Central America, South America, Canada, (East Germany, "back in the day"), and next month, 4 new countries countries in the Greater Antilles.
As an amateur radio operator I have met and had conversations with individuals from 150+ countries (including Antarctica) on just about every political ideal and subject (except the Soviet hams, who were restricted to only communicate weather, equipment, and antennas) for almost 30 years. I read many foreign newspapers on line and have listened to international shortwave in four languages since I was 10. There are three shortwave receivers in my house as we speak. I have paper and internet "penpals" from 22 countries. I have met 6 of them in person. That was cool.
Nice try.
I'm an American.
I want my elected officials to have the best interests of my country and my neighbors run by Americans how have American's and America's best interest at heart.
Take a look at John Kerry. The guy kept ballin' and cryin' about how badly the "world" thought of us, how important it was that we bow to other countries view of us. That dude is selling ketchup now.
I believe that America needs to have strong international relationships.
Some of those relationships help us on a bilateral trade or interests level.
Some of those relationships (with many third world countries) are mostly one way relationships. They say they hate us, but they sure love gobbling up the groceries when the US Aid, food, medical, etc. ships show up.
When there's a foreign disaster, who's the first country to pony up and offer (and deliver) help? Saudi Arabia? Belgium? Lybia? France? Yemen? No, It's America. That's being a good neighbor. We have other countries peoples flipping us off while they eat food given to them for free by America. We understand that, and we give it anyway. Most Americans are big hearted saps who work hard, go to church on Sunday, and give more money than they probably should to places that hate us--but we are a people who want to help another country pull themselves up by their bootstraps and make their own way. Yeah, we're suckers for kids with swollen stomachs and stick-figures of women suffering from AIDS who just want some relief from their pain in their last hours on earth.
"Ignorant Foolish American That do a disservice to all Americans"
I'm guessing you aren't an American citizen. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
If you were an American citizen, you'd know, in a heartbeat, how misguided that statement is.
If you wish to change America somehow, I invite you, as America invited my ancestors, to come to America, become a citizen, and then get involved and make a difference. I think it would be a great experience for you. You just might be the next polital Arnold Schwarzenegger, or those Cuban refugees in South Florida that are making a difference in that area, or the Russian refugees in New York, or the Chinese in California, or the Vietnamese and Indians in Louisiana. I invite you to be part of whatever solution you think is necessary. That's America.
If you are a foreign citizen, I think making a new life for yourself in America might be the most fulfilling opportunity in your life--and for your family. Unlike many countries--ONE PERSON can make a difference. That just might be you. Think about it. You would be welcomed here.
Are you aren't willing to do that?
Or is it easier to sit back from afar and lob stones at something you are not a part of?
If you think you can somehow have any remotely small part of a say about America from the comfortable confines of your living room in some foreign country? You are barking up the wrong tree.
ROX
BTW: I'm not a liberal. I can't even SEE liberals from where I am. I'm way more conservative than McCain.
" :salute"
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Yup.
Well said Rox.
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Most Americans don't care what the rest of the world thinks because most don't even own a passport; or they think of Cancun as "traveling abroad." :rofl
Hmm maybe that's because you can find in America just about anything you want, so why leave? You don't need to take a trip to Europe or anywhere else on earth when you can find the same things here. More people leave other countries to make a new life in America, than Americans looking for a new life abroad. Face it you guys are obsessed with us, so obsessed you think you need to interject your opinions in our politics. It must really suck to be you.
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anti-Americanism
Is the very reason ill be voting against obama.
I would like for my enemy to come out, with mouths blazing anti american hate.
Than watch a few bomb's drop and the world go quiet.
Whats mine is mine and you leave alone now.
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Now what rox said you cannot deny, had this come out in the beginning all this slinging would have been avoided by us mutants who react rather than step back and put together a constructive and informative piece
ROX for President
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Killing you?
I'll be looking for the obituary.
Meanwhile, pardon us while we look to our knitting. Please don't take it personal if we don't care what you think of the color.
...and try not to get bent if we laugh at you when you do.
carry on.
:rofl
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Killing you?
I'll be looking for the obituary.
carry on.
Aww shucks Hangtime, I didn't know you cared.
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Aww shucks Hangtime, I didn't know you cared.
Don't tell anybody.
Would truly pork my image.
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I cannot speak for my fellow americans or fellow posters here, bu only for myself.
I do care about the rest of the world. I care about our allies who have steadfastly stood by us in times of conflict and tragedy.
I care about the many people of the world less fortunate than us and help when I can.
I send money to charities who help those less fortunate people.
I just dont care for non - americans expressing their "opinions" which are almost word for word right from a politions mouth and vaguely disguised as opinion, but designed to influence our opinions.
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ROX for President
Looks better everytime I read it. :aok
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200 BTL.
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Hmm maybe that's because you can find in America just about anything you want, so why leave? You don't need to take a trip to Europe or anywhere else on earth when you can find the same things here. More people leave other countries to make a new life in America, than Americans looking for a new life abroad. Face it you guys are obsessed with us, so obsessed you think you need to interject your opinions in our politics. It must really suck to be you.
Check my location shifty. :aok
Btw, I couldn't disagree more with your opinion that there's no reason to travel abroad. Let me list a few things:
Language
Food
People
Culture
Every American should have a passport if they can afford to travel.
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this is the attitude that is killing us. this nobody gives a s#$t about anybody is just plan stuck up. when you feel so highly of yourself try walking on water and tell me how good you are. Bring back the Ingalls' and Waltons.
When a crisis comes along the rest of the world sits back and gripes if we do nothing. If we do something, the rest of the world sits back and gripes about *how* we did it. When that huge earthquake hit the pacific, America immediately announced an aid package before the extent of the tragedy was fully known. The world griped that we weren't doing enough while our government was quietly making a huge upgrade to that aid package.
Starting to get the picture?
Bring back the Walton's and the Ingall's, those folks were good people.
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I could not give a flying fxxx what the world wants regarding our election. They can take that flying fxxx for all I care.
What's going to happen? They going to stop taking all the aid we give them?
France going to look for someone else to save them when they get in trouble?
Germany going to invade Poland again just to show us how mad they are?
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I care about our allies who have steadfastly stood by us in times of conflict and tragedy.
How many allies would that be? I'm thinking of 2.....
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How many allies would that be? I'm thinking of 2.....
Ya, 2 by my count also!!
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Check my location shifty. :aok
Btw, I couldn't disagree more with your opinion that there's no reason to travel abroad. Let me list a few things:
Language
Food
People
Culture
Every American should have a passport if they can afford to travel.
Been to Europe Gav... UK, Germany, Netherlands, France, Italy, and Turkey. The only place I have a desire to re-visit is the UK. I won't lose any sleep if I don't.
I respectively submit the only reason to go anywhere is because you want to. Not because somebody says you should.
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Oh NOES!
Elect McCain and Europe takes it's ball and goes home?
Charon
hehe they take thier ball n go home, We take our billions of $s and go home..........
WE WIN.
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Check my location shifty. :aok
D'oh I thought that was 'in' as in 'in before the lock'... :roflhehe they take thier ball n go home, We take our billions of $s and go home..........
WE WIN.
I don't think Europe is too worried about the dollar.
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Every American should have a passport if they can afford to travel.
I had a passport....
USS Miller FF1091...took me ALOT of places they thought I needed to visit. :lol
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Any of you remember during the 2004 election cycle the eurolibs were demanding the right to vote in our presidential primary because of this same nonsense? They were all terrified that if "euro the Tard Kerry" was not crowned emperor of the U.S. by their enlightened decree, "Bush the stuttering ideiot" would finally find the red button and wipe out EUArabia.....oops or the EU which is soon to become Mecca North anyway.
Do EU citizens get to vote for the leadership in the EU councel like we U.S. citizens still vote for our highest leader the President of the U.S.? Or does it all take place behind closed doors and they have to take whomever is oppointed their leaders on the EU council by EU appointed EU government faceless beurocrats? Do they get a EU wide election cycle where the candidates have to tell all of the EU citizens why they are qualified and then voted for by the citizens? Or do the EU citizens just wake up one morning and find out who their new leaders are without any choice in the matter?
If any of you who are not U.S. citizens want to vote for our President, apply for citizenship and stand in line with the thousands who are legaly going through that process so they can vote as a U.S. citizen. Otherwise, mind your own business and vote for your own lieing shmuck politicians. Some of you should worry more about how close your Islamic immigrants are to imposing sharia law on your country then who our next president will be.
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D'oh I thought that was 'in' as in 'in before the lock'... :rofl
:lol Not quite. The traveling part of my post was the only part aimed at you. :aok
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What :confused:
I just popped into say that until now I thought Gava had 'IN' in his Location line for 'in before the lock' not Indiana, after lurking around the thread a bit... I wasn't involved with it previously...
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I guess I oughta write it out! :lol
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I guess I oughta write it out! :lol
Indiana? What part of Texas is that in? :D
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Indiana? What part of Texas is that in? :D
Panhandle.....sometimes anyway....depends on the wind I think
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Oh NOES!
Elect McCain and Europe takes it's ball and goes home? Disbands NATO? Removes US basing? One could only hope. I'm not too excited about a McCain win (though he's talking a very good game right now relative to what I would like to see in Washington regarding reform). But hysterical reactions such as this just keep building my desire to see an Obama loss. The gnashing of teeth, the wailing, the melting computer screens from all of the digital vitriol that would be produced. maybe even a few more celebrities actually keeping their word and joining their expats in Europe.
Charon
the rest of the world doesn't seem too fond of us as it is. why do we really care what they think of us? screw em. it's OUR election, not theirs.
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Screw the rest of the world and osamabama too... I am not voting for either him or McCain... but i am voting.
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That was kind of a fast thread...once it got going, it really took off running. I mean, look at all the pissed-off responses.
Which leads me to ask...If you guys' don't care about the rest of the world, then you should be ready to toss out all the lopsided trade agreements like NAFTA and the W.T.O.
And I believe that Ron Paul was the only person who ran in the election that wanted us to can those...Which leaves me scratching my head as to why you guys' are so much on McCains' tip...because he sure as hell won't pull us out of those.
I'm STILL gonna write in Ron Paul, because after all is said and done, after 4 years' of McCain/Obama, I'm willing to bet everyone on this board is gonna be asking themselves if votes that helped the status quo were worth not voting from the soul.
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Im voting for RuPaul also. You go Girlguy!
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Well.. I'm just not too keen on havin Obama elected.
We'll be an Obamanation.
I mean.
-GE
(as Gallagher said 'it's in the word')
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Which leads me to ask...If you guys' don't care about the rest of the world, then you should be ready to toss out all the lopsided trade agreements like NAFTA and the W.T.O.
I'm all for fair trade agreements....if they aren't fair....toss them in the trash and start over.
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I mean, shouldn't we listen to a world that doesn't know what dental hygiene is, doesn't use deorderant unless on a date, and lets raw sewage run in the rivers but considers Americans uncivilized?
Screw em.
I have NO problem giving the rest of the world the finger. In fact I consider it part of my Patriotic Duty to tell the rest of the world to go pack sand.
I woke up this morning caring almost nothing for the rest of the world
The rest of the world can go.....
...euro weenies...
the world can stuff its verdict up its south end when facing north.
What makes you think America gives one rats butt what Europeans think?
I would like for my enemy to come out, with mouths blazing anti american hate.
Than watch a few bomb's drop and the world go quiet.
screw em.
Screw the rest of the world...
yeah its hard to imagine why the whole world doesnt love the US :rolleyes:
about a year ago this dumb kid came up to me and said "gimme a ciggie biach!". if he'd said "excuse me can you spare a ciggie?" he would have walked away with a smoke, instead he got a slap. just sayin...
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OH Nos,
If John offers free software with his election, the EU will bring an anti trust suite against him. What is strange is I work for a parent company who is in Germany. I asked some of the guys here if they thought we were the bad Americans "we" see on TV. Then I had to explain what I ment and they started laughing. Never heard of it they said, America is just America.
They were more interested if I would take them shooting like I did with the last group that came over here to set up some equipment. Yep that's right boys and girls, I get to take them shooting on company time and get re-embersed for the ammo!
America is great NOW.
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maybe if the rest of the world doesnt like the president "WE" democratically vote in and want us out of all of these "unions", we can get back to just taking care of ourselves, instead of babysitting and supporting the rest of the world!!!
Exactly!
They hate us when we babysit the world, and they hate us when we dont... :rolleyes:
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Well.. I'm just not too keen on havin Obama elected.
We'll be an Obamanation.
I mean.
-GE
(as Gallagher said 'it's in the word')
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yeah its hard to imagine why the whole world doesnt love the US :rolleyes:
about a year ago this dumb kid came up to me and said "gimme a ciggie biach!". if he'd said "excuse me can you spare a ciggie?" he would have walked away with a smoke, instead he got a slap. just sayin...
i'm assuming you're using that as an analogy for how the us has acted through the years?
well......the us has probably given to, and helped other countries in this world much much more than any other country ever has. our govt. is so concerned with helping other countries become better places to live, eradicating bad governments, sending money to help stop hunger(which probabl only goes to the fatcats whilst the poor still starve), that they seem to ignore/miss some of the problems here at home.
what do we get for that? all you f-wads putting the us down out one side of your mouths, and still asking for more out the other side of your mouths.
i do agree with some..NAFTA does seem like a pretty fair deal......for everyone involved except the us.
we have our shortcommings here...we're FAR from perfect. i complain about things like everyone does. butcha know what? WE are still the biggest baddest kid on the block, and i would not choose to live anywhere else in the world.
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OH Nos,
If John offers free software with his election, the EU will bring an anti trust suite against him. What is strange is I work for a parent company who is in Germany. I asked some of the guys here if they thought we were the bad Americans "we" see on TV. Then I had to explain what I ment and they started laughing. Never heard of it they said, America is just America.
They were more interested if I would take them shooting like I did with the last group that came over here to set up some equipment. Yep that's right boys and girls, I get to take them shooting on company time and get re-embersed for the ammo!
America is great NOW.
funny you mention germans.......i have a friend that just moved over here a couple years ago.......i've flown her to cape may, ocean city, and atlantic city. she STILL can't believe that we can just go to the flying club, jump in an airplane and go fly anywhere we like without having to talk to anyone, or get permission.......
i'm taking her to milleville on the 21st for the airshow there. we'll be flying in.
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My 2 pennorth worth - dont care who you elect - got my own problems with the lying, two faced, corrupt government we have currently in the UK.
My thoughts on Americans (for what its worth, and is based on experience) - warm, open hearted, generous and likable - but mostly you dont want to upset em.
YMMV,
Wurzel
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Thanks wurzel!!!!!! :salute Finally someone with a little sense. :aok
I, like others have said, am tired of the gorvernment taking my hard earned money and sending it overseas for some folks that bash me and my beliefs. You know what? Deal with it!!! I have to put up with your S#$%, so you can put up with mine. Maybe we as a country should just stop sending any money whatsoever overseas for one year. Let the rest of the world try to cover what we spend in aid. Maybe we could put it down on the deficit. Pay those buggers off.
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I have had to seek stress counseling after I found out the world's verdict will be harsh if an electoral majority produced by my fellow citizens rejects Obama.
The thought of a harsh world verdict has just immobilized me and made my life a living hell.
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Guess it must suck to be you guys then.
:rofl :aok
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My 2 pennorth worth - dont care who you elect - got my own problems with the lying, two faced, corrupt government we have currently in the UK.
My thoughts on Americans (for what its worth, and is based on experience) - warm, open hearted, generous and likable - but mostly you dont want to upset em.
YMMV,
Wurzel
thanks wurzl......that's about the jist of it. we are and always will be i think. :salute