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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wayout on September 11, 2008, 06:29:13 PM
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Where have all the real democrats gone. :(
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/kennedy-tax-today-2147837-national-new (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/kennedy-tax-today-2147837-national-new)
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Thats not new news.
However I wonder how things would have worked out between he and Teddy if he was stll around. Talk about night and day.
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Where have all the real democrats gone. :(
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/kennedy-tax-today-2147837-national-new (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/kennedy-tax-today-2147837-national-new)
They're hiding with all of the real Republicans, having a few cocktails, and shaking their heads in disbelief.
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If JFK were still alive he would be even more liberal. People see him as he was then (frozen in history due to his death) but dont forget his brother Ted is still surviving and I believe they would share many of the same views as time progressed.
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Barry Goldwater would not be charmed..
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You can't forget that the Democrats and Republicans of that time weren't arguing over the same thing they are today.
Back then being a Democrat meant you believed that the States should have more power than the federal government. And being a Republican meant you believed that the Federal Government should have more power than the states.
That's why if you read a history book worth its salt, it will describe things like Conservative Democrats, Liberal Democrats, Liberal Republicans... The first word describes what we believe today. The second describes what I just wrote above.
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From what I understand, Kennedy was leaning away from the war in Vietnam. He didn't think it was any our business. So the author may be wrong on that account. I just don't think Kennedy would be a Democrat this day and age. They are just wacko.
Reagan and Kennedy where my 2 favorite Presidents. They share many of the same ideals.
You didn't ask, but I think the worst presidents were Johnson, Nixon, and Carter.
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The real question is, what would America look like if Bobby had become POTUS.
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They were different times. The upheavals of the sixties hadn't happened. He would probably have been sucked into Vietnam just like Johnson. You just can't extrapolate backwards and conscript JFK into the Republicans. :lol
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JFK was a lifetime NRA member and a states rights advocate.. he was more republican than about 90% of the republicans today...
bobby was crap.. every bit as bad as teddy.
lazs
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are just wacko.
this is about Kennedy, not Palin. :aok
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They were different times. The upheavals of the sixties hadn't happened. He would probably have been sucked into Vietnam just like Johnson. You just can't extrapolate backwards and conscript JFK into the Republicans. :lol
*What if* scenarios are fun. :)
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Barry Goldwater would not be charmed..
You mean the Pro-Choice Barry Goldwater?
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They were different times. The upheavals of the sixties hadn't happened. He would probably have been sucked into Vietnam just like Johnson. You just can't extrapolate backwards and conscript JFK into the Republicans. :lol
I thought Kennedy escalated our involvement by sending many more advisors?
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I thought Kennedy escalated our involvement by sending many more advisors?
Shhhh it's a secret. :noid
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He did of course but apparently had his doubts about the wisdom of following up with troops. In the end the USA was sucked in further because of the general incompetence and in fighting among the ARVN commanders who were more interested in protected their own interests than that of the country. It's interesting to speculate but perhaps JFK would have handled the whole thing better than Johnson.
In the context of the times, Vietnam was another domino threatened by Communism. No one ever thought it would become the painful rite of passage that it became. It was if you like to use a reverse analogy, the Iraq of it's day. :huh
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He did of course but apparently had his doubts about the wisdom of following up with troops. In the end the USA was sucked in further because of the general incompetence and in fighting among the ARVN commanders who were more interested in protected their own interests than that of the country. It's interesting to speculate but perhaps JFK would have handled the whole thing better than Johnson.
In the context of the times, Vietnam was another domino threatened by Communism. No one ever thought it would become the painful rite of passage that it became. It was if you like to use a reverse analogy, the Iraq of it's day. :huh
The REAL problem with vietnam was the phrase "Win their hearts and their minds."
You can't fight a war with Valentine's Day Cards.
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Where have all the real democrats gone. :(
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/kennedy-tax-today-2147837-national-new (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/kennedy-tax-today-2147837-national-new)
Would Barry Goldwater be a Republican?? Both are good questions.
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The REAL problem with vietnam was the phrase "Win their hearts and their minds."
You can't fight a war with Valentine's Day Cards.
That's exactly how you fight and win a 4th generation war. We were just really bad at executing "hearts and minds" in Vietnam (and uncle Ho was very good), and bad in Iraq until recent improvements. Fortunately, al queda was really bad in Iraq at 4th generation warfare as well. Unfortunately al Sadr might be very, very good at the concepts, moving towards a Hezbollah model apparently, according to William Lind (which also helps explain why things are "turning around.") http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csnews.cgi/csNews.cgi?database=homeWilliamLind12008.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=19&rnd=186.83811485428458