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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Maverick on September 14, 2008, 06:41:27 PM
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Fantastic game for early season action. It came down to two plays. The bronco's were incredibly lucky on one call, They should have lost the ball but the fumble was ruled an incomplete pass. The hail mary pass at the end was a heart breaker.
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If I was the SD coach I would have walked out after that second blown call. Both blown calls led to immediate Bronco touchdowns, both were bad fumble calls where the ref took the ball from SD and improperly gave it to Denver. Terrible calls and they resulted in 15 Denver points. The game wouldn't have even been close if the refs hadn't twice taken the ball from SD and improperly given it to Denver.
If I was in SD management I'd be protesting that game rather vehemently to the NFL. At best the game should be ruled a no-contest, just to save the integrity of the game and league. Bad calls are usually just another thing for a team to deal with, no different than a slippery patch of mud on the field, but it is extremely rare for the refs to make two supremely bad calls that without question determined the outcome of the game. 15 pts on two improper possession takeaways. If the NFL doesn't act on this I doubt I'll watch any more football this season. I don't watch wrestling because it's fake, and I'm sure as hell not going to spend 4 hrs of my weekend watching a game where the refs can arbitrarily deliver 15 pts to one team without the game being declared a no-contest.
That's one thing I like about NASCAR, for example... The NASCAR governing authorities have proven that they'll do whatever is necessary to keep the sport as legitimate as possible, including changing "official" results when necessary.
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If the NFL doesn't act on this I doubt I'll watch any more football this season. I don't watch wrestling because it's fake, and I'm sure as hell not going to spend 4 hrs of my weekend watching a game where the refs can arbitrarily deliver 15 pts to one team without the game being declared a no-contest.
My, aren't we being a bit over-dramatic today.
Bad calls happen, even by good officials (and this ref is one who IMO usually gets things right). To start off on the whole conspiracy thing (especially for the frigging Broncos) is really going off the deep end.
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That's one thing I like about NASCAR, for example... The NASCAR governing authorities have proven that they'll do whatever is necessary to keep the sport as legitimate as possible, including changing "official" results when necessary.
(http://freon.shackspace.com/misc/nascar-boring.jpg)
/FLAME SUIT ON
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My, aren't we being a bit over-dramatic today.
Bad calls happen, even by good officials (and this ref is one who IMO usually gets things right). To start off on the whole conspiracy thing (especially for the frigging Broncos) is really going off the deep end.
What conspiracy thing? There were 2 horrendous calls and they directly led to 15 pts and gave Denver the win. I do not typically spend my time watching entertainment where the actions of the players do not determine the outcome of the event, therefore if the league does not do something I doubt I will continue watching NFL events. It's rather simple really, no different than deciding not to eat donuts for breakfast. They are bad for me and there are plenty of healthy, good tasting alternatives. Well, there are plenty of fun and entertaining alternatives to the NFL where multiple gross errors by the referees are not permitted to determine the outcome of the event. I'll watch those instead.
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What conspiracy thing?
You are the one comparing what happened to pro wrestling where the outcomes are pre-determined, and implying the refs purposely threw the game for the Broncos. I would say that qualifies as conspiratorial thinking.
There were 2 horrendous calls and they directly led to 15 pts and gave Denver the win.
No, they did not lead "directly" to Denver points. Denver still had to execute on subsequent plays and the Chargers had an opportunity to stop them.
I do not typically spend my time watching entertainment where the actions of the players do not determine the outcome of the event, therefore if the league does not do something I doubt I will continue watching NFL events.
:rofl Big fan, aren't you? Giving up because of one badly called game? :rofl Or are we just being overly dramatic again?
Instant replay has made bad calls have less than half the impact they had before FWIW. Are you such a noob to the game of football that you don't recall what it used to be like?
And yes, the players most certainly determined the outcome. Had SD played better and Denver worse, the game would have turned out differently. There. Players determined the outcome. It isn't even arguable.
It's rather simple really, no different than deciding not to eat donuts for breakfast. They are bad for me and there are plenty of healthy, good tasting alternatives. Well, there are plenty of fun and entertaining alternatives to the NFL where multiple gross errors by the referees are not permitted to determine the outcome of the event. I'll watch those instead.
:rofl Please name for me one sport where there has not been a mistake made by officiating. Please! This should be interesting.
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This game was load of horse poop. after the second missed call I turned it off and went and played some blast beats on the drums after that. SD should have one. Someone is right they should protest. They have every right to. I mean come on they didn't have replay availiable after the first one? WTF is that?!?!?!? No replay available?
The Broncos also benefited from an equipment malfunction that prevented the officials from reviewing Champ Bailey's interception at the San Diego 29 in the first quarter. TV replays, which the crew didn't have access to, showed Chambers' left elbow on the grass while he cradled the ball in his right arm as Bailey was trying to strip it away.
Because the replay equipment wasn't working, Hochuli waited the required 2 minutes, then ruled that the call on the field stood. San Diego wasn't charged a timeout, but the Broncos capitalized with Michael Pittman's 1-yard dive for their first touchdown against the Chargers in nine quarters.
source http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8564458/Broncos-go-for-two%2C-squeak-by-Chargers
horrible, just terrible. NFL needs to do something about this BS.
just an epic fail.
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There are no do-overs in football.
The refs missed 2 calls. The first one couldn't be reviewed because the equipment malfunctioned. In the Cutler fumble, Hocule thought it was an incomplete pass so he blew the whistle, killing the play. Once that happens, there's no way you can give the ball to the other team. Hocule admitted he blew it but everything was handled by the book.
If I was the Charger's coach or fans I'd be ticked. But I would be more upset that the Chargers couldn't play defense. Denver went for a 2-pt conversion to win instead of playing for the tie and the Chargers couldn't stop them.
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There are no do-overs in football.
The refs missed 2 calls. The first one couldn't be reviewed because the equipment malfunctioned. In the Cutler fumble, Hocule thought it was an incomplete pass so he blew the whistle, killing the play. Once that happens, there's no way you can give the ball to the other team. Hocule admitted he blew it but everything was handled by the book.
If I was the Charger's coach or fans I'd be ticked. But I would be more upset that the Chargers couldn't play defense. Denver went for a 2-pt conversion to win instead of playing for the tie and the Chargers couldn't stop them.
they shouldn't have had to do that.
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There are no do-overs in football.
Sometimes there should be. Google for *5th down*.
Colorado was inadvertently given a 5th down in the game vs Missouri.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Colorado-Missouri_football_game
The Big Eight...ruled that Colorado's 33-31 victory over Missouri would stand even though game officials allowed the Buffaloes a fifth down that produced the winning touchdown on the game's final play. Missouri's chancellor, Haskell Monroe Jr., had appealed to the Big Eight, asking that Missouri be declared the winner. It has been determined that, in accordance with the football playing rules, the allowance of the fifth down to Colorado is not a post-game correctable error, Carl James, the Big Eight commissioner, said in a statement. The final score in the Colorado-Missouri football game will remain as posted.'[
Colorado went on to share the national title that year, something that would not have happened if they had lost the game to Missouri.
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The first call, the replay equipment didn't work.... therefore the referees could NOT have overturned the call on the field, which needed conclusive evidence to be overturned.
The second, was blown dead as an incomplete pass by a guy who saw what he saw. He is one of the better referees in the league, and gets the tap when Superbowl comes along, and admits he made a mistake, that his view of the play was wrong. Unfortunately for the Chargers, this killed the rest of the play from the blowing of the whistle for an incomplete pass, and placed the ball at the spot of the foul.
The refs got the calls wrong when we have the luxury of slow motion replays. They got them right when applied to the rules of the game. No conspiracy, just a single spot of human error based on what he thought he saw, which, I can honestly say when watching that play, I thought I saw as well. I didn't see it as a fumble until the slow motion replays ad nauseum.
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they shouldn't have had to do that.
You're right ... in a perfect world. Of course in a perfect world, Cutler shouldn't have fumbled the ball in the first place.
Meanwhile here in the real world, stuff happens. Good teams overcome stuff and find a way to win.
The ref. admitted he made a mistake and took responsibility for it. Meanwhile Norv Turner whines and refuses to take responsibility for the Chargers giving up dang near 500 yds and being unable to stop the Broncos after the blown call. Twice. Running the same play.
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I have never refereed a game, but angles and what someone sees and what we see on TV are separate things. Unfortunately, sometimes you have to give them the benefit of the doubt. With so many calls that they make in a single game, it is a wonder there aren't more mistakes. That is why we have replay in the first place. Remember, they are human. Pretty standup of him to admit the error. I think Hocule is one of the best refs in the game. He will probable be regretting that call for a while to come.
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It must have been witchcraft, just like at this game!!!!!111one
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/09/15/soccer.witchcraft.ap/index.html
Three cheers for multi-cultural relativism!
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You're right ... in a perfect world. Of course in a perfect world, Cutler shouldn't have fumbled the ball in the first place.
Meanwhile here in the real world, stuff happens. Good teams overcome stuff and find a way to win.
The ref. admitted he made a mistake and took responsibility for it. Meanwhile Norv Turner whines and refuses to take responsibility for the Chargers giving up dang near 500 yds and being unable to stop the Broncos after the blown call. Twice. Running the same play.
But see the thing is that it is such an easy call. I can understand if it was a harder call, but on such an easy call? Then replay machine broken? WTF is that? It is there to work and should be. If the AFC West is won by the broncos by one game idk.
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But see the thing is that it is such an easy call. I can understand if it was a harder call, but on such an easy call? Then replay machine broken? WTF is that? It is there to work and should be.
And airplanes are there to fly. Sometimes they don't.
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And airplanes are there to fly. Sometimes they don't.
I don't mean to flame, but that was a bad analogy, but ill make it work. Airplanes don't fly (im assuming you mean crashing) due to negelecting mantiance most of the time. Then as for operator error. This call was like landing w/o landing gear. How can you miss that? THese ref's are paid to get it right. Somebody who posted earlier was right. The NFL must maintain its integrity. To have its officals mess up this bad when it could affect the out come of the playoff and perhaps even a superbowl if Denver gets there. It would be like steroids. Put an * next to it. Look what the lose of Integrity has done to MLB. It just started recovering a few years ago, only to be bit in the butt this year.
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Steroids?
In one case, you've got players intentionally violating the rules of the game in order to get an unfair advantage.
In the other case you've got what is probably the best ref. in the game making an honest mistake in a judgment call on an unusual play and correctly applying the rules.
Sorry, but my airplane analogy (pilot making an honest mistake, equipment failing) was a lot more pertinent than your steroid analogy.