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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: jocko- on September 14, 2008, 10:11:11 PM
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OT as this isn't AH2, here's an interesting feature from Oleg's white elephant (BoB sim), auto weathering. Apparently new types will out perform old beat up crates in the game too... Looks like I'll need a 'puter upgrade in future.
(http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/Spitfire%20Mk.I_03.jpg)
vs.
(http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/Spitfire%20Mk.I_02.jpg)
A little excessive IMO but it's just an example...
Somebody has to tell him that they didn't start using the fabric gun patches until after they switched to the non-protruding short barrelled .303s ;)
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A fairly classic example of weathering differences. (I'm a Spit XII junkie first)
MB882 the last Spit XII built and MB858. 882 is the Flight Commander's aircraft and at the time this photo had been taken in April 44 had been with 41 squadron about 4 months. 858 had been with the squadron about 10 months. 882 looks much nicer in terms of wear and tear. Both survived the war, and flew the last Spit XII combat sortie in September 44.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/SpitXIIPair.jpg)
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What game is that Jocko? Lokos nice!
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(http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/images/updates/05-2006/SOW-BOB_PC_003_Spitfire.jpg)
Spit I 'pit.
It's Oleg (of IL2 fame) Maddox's new Battle of Britain sim, the first installment in his Storm of War series. Here's a link to the development screenies:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=2040 (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=2040)
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jocko is it impossible to get that level of detail in AHII? I mean as in the wear images you posted?
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Think of it like this:
You fly your P-51 3 sorties and you dont get killed at all. If there is bullet holes in it w/o any damage, the bullet holes will stay, and the paint will wear off from turning and stuff.
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Think of it like this:
You fly your P-51 3 sorties and you dont get killed at all. If there is bullet holes in it w/o any damage, the bullet holes will stay, and the paint will wear off from turning and stuff.
What are you on about 1plus the p51 will be just as shiny as when it rolled out of the factory. :D
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(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/SpitXIIPair.jpg)
thats been my desktop picture for the last 6 months since you posted it :aok
edit: I did have scarlett johanssen but couldnt get any work done :D
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Whether or not it's a neat idea (I don't think so, personally) the screenshot looks like utter crap, from a skinning standpoint.
Looks like a 2 year old monkey applied the weathering.
As for the 10,000 poly cockpit: Doesn't make the planes fly any better. No matter what they call it, it's still just IL2:BoB. The reason I don't fly IL2 is the dodgy flight model and terrible gunnery model. There have been some of the NICEST looking games available that I refuse to play because gameplay is pure and utter crap. On the other hand, in the past I've played some games WELL after their graphics went obsolete because the gameplay continued to be solid, and it "worked"
I'm still not sure why you're going on and on and on about the competition's artwork in a forum for AH2 skins, though. :noid
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On the other hand, in the past I've played some games WELL after their graphics went obsolete because the gameplay continued to be solid, and it "worked"
European Air War comes to mind. Nothing was more fun than finding a formation B-17s and making pass after pass on them. :aok
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Chalenge: The only limiting factor for level of detail is resolution, and really the only person who will ever see the highest level of detail is the pilot of the plane in question, and only those areas he/she is able to see from the cockpit. Makes for nice screen shots but is wasted in gameplay as the models are rarely closer than 50 yards to one another (not counting very close formation flying).
Krusty: You must have missed the OTs I put in both the topic and text of my original message. I personally don't think Oleg's vapourware (which it still is at this point) could even be classified as competition to AHII, Oleg's game isn't a MMOL, it's intended to be more of a study sim with only a handful of flyable types.
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Whether or not it's a neat idea (I don't think so, personally) the screenshot looks like utter crap, from a skinning standpoint.
Looks like a 2 year old monkey applied the weathering.
Sorry, I have to disagree with you on that.
On the other hand, in the past I've played some games WELL after their graphics went obsolete because the gameplay continued to be solid, and it "worked"
This I do agree. Aces of the Pacific is STILL the best WWII air-combat simulation ever.
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What are you on about 1plus the p51 will be just as shiny as when it rolled out of the factory. :D
Well, for me it'll be a brand new plane every time. Whether I bring it back (which I doubt) or not! :P :rock :salute
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I disagree with you Krusty on the FM of the late Il2 series. When I fly IL2 I do have a better feel of flying a real plane than in AH2. The most intense online flying experience also comes from Il2 virtual wars with no icon, no rad map. The bad from IL2 in my opinion is the "fantasy" airplane performances.
Back on topic ...
As far as weathering, those planes flew several sorties a day and were worked on th erest of the time, I have no problem seing such a degradation on the paintjob, granteed not in a mater of days, but definitly in a matter of months. I noticed similar rapid degradations on the cargos planes that we fly in my company. Our plane look already like an oily bucket at the end of a flying week, and a new paint job is already trashed by the end of the month, and looks like it was never painted since factory 6 months later, especially after the winter.
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It's not as if they're rubbing it with sandpaper every night.
Also, these planes WERE repainted once in a while. Kinda ruins the purpose of camouflage if you can see it from 50,000 feet up and 10 miles away because the glint of bare metal gives it away.
I definitely understand weathering, and heavy weathering. But not like that. That's just arbitrary paint dissolving, IMO.
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Guppy, I raise you 5 spitfires in your pic. :cool:
(http://www.amazingheritage.com/models/images/supermarine_spitfire_mkXII.jpg)
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(http://saxman.xwlegacy.net/AcesHigh/Boyington/883.jpg)
By your argument #883 shouldn't have been in anything NEAR this condition.
Don't go making blanket statements, because repainting was going to depend VERY heavily on availability of supplies, time, and maintenance conditions. Aircraft operating in Western Europe would have had a much "easier" life than if the same aircraft was shipped to North Africa or the South Pacific just because of the shortness and reliability of the supply lines and the fact that a lot of airfields had modern or well-developed maintenance facilities, not to mention finished runway surfaces that weren't sandblasting wings and fuselages with abrasive surfacing material every time you powered up your engine.
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Look again Saxman. Then look at my statement. 883 is plenty worn. It's plenty stained. It's NOT with the paint dissolving in predictable fractal patterns along all the panel lines and rivets.
It's still got PAINT underneath all the wear and tear.
Even look at the spitfire photos posted in this thread. Even the heavily WORN ones still have paint in all the areas except high foot-traffic areas. The paint becomes faded, burnt, scorched, stained, reapplied (different shades) but nothing like Ubi's lame "the metal just shows through" weathering. Hell your weathering is leaps beyond Ubi's new programmed weathering.