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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Toad on September 17, 2008, 08:27:15 AM
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:rofl
C'mon.... you didn't REALLY believe that did you? It's actually just the opposite. Obama was asked to help push through a reform law being held up by the man that made him a US Senator, Emil Jones.
Now for a man all about change, that should have been simple right?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/obama_sidesteps_reform_in_illi.html
Obama Sidesteps Reform in Illinois
For those of you who still cling to the fantasy that Barack Obama is "about change," you should note how he, or his minions, want nothing to do with reforming politics in Illinois, perhaps the most corrupt state in the Union.
"Throughout his political career, Barack Obama has fought for open and honest government," proclaims his campaign Web site. Apparently, no longer. When the Democratic presidential candidate--now his party's industrial-strength voice for our deliverance from political corruption everywhere--was asked by a reformer if he would help get his political mentor back home to get off the dime and move the most minimal of state ethics legislation toward passage, the Obama campaign sent word back that amounted to a "no."
State Sen. Emil Jones (D-Chicago) is the Chicago machine politician who might have been most instrumental in jump-starting Obama's political career. Now, as Illinois Senate president, Jones is the one sitting on the reform legislation, refusing to call it for an expected favorable vote before it officially dies of neglect.
Jones is the pal of Gov. Rod Blagojevich, no friend of reform, who used his amendatory veto power to change the legislation after it passed both houses so that Jones would get another chance to kill it.
If all that's confusing, welcome to Illinois politics, where intricacy is the best camouflage for chicanery. Suffice to say, neither Blagojevich nor Jones is working for reform...
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There some change you can believe in, eh?
Tell me again about how The Obamessiah is really going to bring us change?
Before you start to answer, read my sig block.
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There is a flaw in the report that I would like to have expanded on before passing judgement.
the Obama campaign sent word back that amounted to a "no."
What exactly was sent back? I would love to just believe the media and assume that the reporter is stating the facts and not twisting the story for his or her own greater good. But nope, I trust the media less than the two candidates.
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If you knew Chicago politics you would understand that no matter if he did or didn't call Jones -- Jones would do what he wants... he is currently retiring and has managed to get his son... a person who has no political or state legislative experience whatsoever... placed on the ballot to replace him in the November election, no primary election to be done... just had the commiteemen in his political ward - vote to have the son put on the ballot... there is no opponent in the general election...
Now, as the reporter who is at the Chicago Tribune knows, and is bringing up something that he knows is an impossiblity to get Jones to even consider... asking Obama to make an intervention to "reform" Emil Jones - is like asking someone to change the sky color to a light green... it isn't going to happen.... his son might consider it after the election... but until then...they won't reform anything....
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Perhaps so.
Still, if Obama is ready to go to DC and create change and knock heads to get it, you'd think he'd be will to step up and put a little pressure on Jones to create change in Illinois.
This is one of those cases where silence is deafening. It's Obamessiah talkin' the talk but unable to walk the walk.
Vote Libertarian!
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Perhaps so.
Still, if Obama is ready to go to DC and create change and knock heads to get it, you'd think he'd be will to step up and put a little pressure on Jones to create change in Illinois.
This is one of those cases where silence is deafening. It's Obamessiah talkin' the talk but unable to walk the walk.
Vote Libertarian!
Don't disagree, would be nice, but it won't happen... Jones has a lot of control over the wards votes in IL...
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Wait a minute.
We know what here?... I mean factually.
Maybe Obama (more likely some surrogate) was asked to force an Illinoise State Senator to "go home" and Obama said "no". As if Obama has the power to do such a thing. Now consider the article that would be written had Obama forced a State Legislator to do anything...
Yep... you got something there all right. <-- insert rolly eyes thing here
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Well, let's look to the Chicago Sun Times for a bit more information.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/1159383,CST-NWS-leg12web.article
A top government watchdog group that worked closely with Obama during his Springfield years urged the Illinois senator to intervene at a time he is trying to make his reform credentials a cornerstone of his presidential campaign.
"As a presidential candidate, this is small potatoes. But as Illinois' U.S. senator, this is a place he could come in and quickly clean up some of the damage and serve his state," said Cindi Canary, director of the Illinois Campaign for Political Reform, which has pushed for the donation restrictions for three years...
...Canary said the senator has an obligation to weigh in against the governor's changes in order to ensure the original "pay-to-play" measure survives and to prod Jones into allowing a vote before the election.
"A 30-second phone call to the Illinois Senate president could yield huge dividends to this state," she said...
Obama's campaign refused to tell the Sun-Times whether the senator supports either version. And a spokesman ducked questions on whether Obama would speak with Jones, as Canary suggested.
What's so tough about taking a position one way or the other on this issue? Either he's for reform or he's not.
He sure sounds like a MIGHTY reformer there. :rofl
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You got what? Quotes from a spokeshole for some group in Illinois? Yikes.... do you really think this is important? Do you have ANY clue what the legislation actually calls for except "reform". LOL..
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Yeah, I do. Do you?
And yes, it is important. Because once again it goes to the character of the guy that wants his heartbeat to be the heartbeat of the President.
He claims he's for "change". He claims he will reform Washington.
Yet when it is time for reform in Illinois, he can't be assed to make a simple statement to the press or call the man who made him a US Senator and support this measure?
It points up the fact that he has never, ever bucked his party. He's a "team player" in the most crooked state political organziation in the US, the Daley machine.
He's making McC look better every day by his refusal to stand up to machine politics.
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Yeah, I do. Do you?
And yes, it is important. Because once again it goes to the character of the guy that wants his heartbeat to be the heartbeat of the President.
He claims he's for "change". He claims he will reform Washington.
Yet when it is time for reform in Illinois, he can't be assed to make a simple statement to the press or call the man who made him a US Senator and support this measure?
It points up the fact that he has never, ever bucked his party. He's a "team player" in the most crooked state political organziation in the US, the Daley machine.
He's making McC look better every day by his refusal to stand up to machine politics.
You have no idea what you are talking about -- Jones does not answer to Daley - and neither does the Governor -- he does not have any power whatsover in state and very limited in county politics now
Daley machine politics is the city... and it has weakened considerably in the last decade,,,it is a long time since his Dad was the one you are referring to... he died years ago... and once Rostenkowski went to boys camp .. and Dunne left the county ... it weakened more.. Stroger /Daley connection was strong - but since Jr started running the county-- it has weakened considerably...
Like i stated before - Obama wouldn't have any sway at all in convincing or influencing state politicians to "reform" - and neither would McCain in Arizona.. it is a whole different ballgame... just some rants to make him look bad for something he has no control over... its like saying McCain or Bush are responsible for every wrong a republican does in state politics... there are plenty of them across the country... just rants .. nothing more .. nothing less
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ahhh but all politics are 'local'. this is osamabama's constituency.
his silence speaks volumes.
your 'can't fight city hall' line also speaks volumes.
How very educational this is.
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ahhh but all politics are 'local'. this is osamabama's constituency.
his silence speaks volumes.
your 'can't fight city hall' line also speaks volumes.
How very educational this is.
weak argument ... let it go
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what.. chicago has a manifest destiny of corruption? 'Daley Doctrine'?
heluva 'Change'.
hehehehehheh.. impaled politics.
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what.. chicago has a manifest destiny of corruption? 'Daley Doctrine'?
heluva 'Change'.
hehehehehheh.. impaled politics.
What the H are you talking about?
I tell you what... shoe me where McCain or Palin are going to do that in their respective states...
then start pointing fingers
yeah - Change we can believe in
rofl
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What the H are you talking about?
I tell you what... shoe me where McCain or Palin are going to do that in their respective states...
then start pointing fingers
yeah - Change we can believe in
rofl
Show me where McCain needs to do anything to clean up corruption in his state. Palin already has......she even stood up to corruption in her own party, not to mention the corporate corruption she has stood up to.
Hang is correct, Illinois with the Daley Machine is one of the most corrupt political areas in our country.
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we ain't talking about mcacin or palin. we're talking about shady chicago politics and osamabama.
of course, when you run into an indefensible osamabama issue, you; being a member of the liberal weenie worm team, attack the opposition.
squirm... squirm, lookit the worms squirm!
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Show me where McCain needs to do anything to clean up corruption in his state. Palin already has......she even stood up to corruption in her own party, not to mention the corporate corruption she has stood up to.
Hang is correct, Illinois with the Daley Machine is one of the most corrupt political areas in our country.
in the 1970's maybe -- but u ijots who don't read the whole thread and need to spout off anyway... and have no clue about chicago politics... believe me - u have no clue.... trust me at this one thing... you have not one...nada... clue about politics in cook county right now
As for McCain not having any corruption to search out in Arizona.... it is a political format there too - am i correct?,,, don't tell me you are as naive as i actually believe you are... As for palin... we will see after the investigation is over for that... you know all that subpoena throwing around up there going on now... I don't know about that.. and of course neither do you....I hope she and her husband are cleared of any wrong doing ... seriously .. cuz there is always a little good old boy corruption in cities large and small... and if she gets caught having had a influence on hiring and firing ... and replacing with her friends... well heck .. she just did what Da Boss used to do... ya know - Machine Politics
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we ain't talking about mcacin or palin. we're talking about shady chicago politics and osamabama.
of course, when you run into an indefensible osamabama issue, you; being a member of the liberal weenie worm team, attack the opposition.
squirm... squirm, lookit the worms squirm!
Funny - what actually was the purpose of this thread? A pat on the back to Obama? Of course it was a slam to Obama...had nothing to do with Chicago politics -- like i said - weak and significantly weaker now - by your own admission
oops -- u left your side of the playground again.... no more smiley face for the name calling temper tantrum throwers
back to the sad face stickers - :frown:
get your mom to sign it before you are allowed to come back and play
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"neeener, neeener, neeener"
hey... glad to see yah back in kindergarten politics!
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"neeener, neeener, neeener"
hey... glad to see yah back in kindergarten politics!
Watch out - your inner child is starting to match your childish outer child
One of you leave - I hate crowds
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Watch out - your inner child is starting to match your childish outer child
One of you leave - I hate crowds
If you left and went somewhere else you could have a room all to yourself with no worries about any crowds. :devil
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"mom! Nwbie's bein' a dick!"
ok, thanks for the intermission. Now back to the subject.
Given that Obama is not supporting a local reform initiative to clean up corrupt political practice in his constituents back yard, why should americans trust him with stewardship of politics in our front yards?
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If you left and went somewhere else you could have a room all to yourself with no worries about any crowds. :devil
How christian of you
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How christian of you
It was a joke, notice the smilie at the end. Even Christians are allowed to have a sense of humor. :D
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"mom! Nwbie's bein' a dick!"
ok, thanks for the intermission. Now back to the subject.
Given that Obama is not supporting a local reform initiative to clean up corrupt political practice in his constituents back yard, why should americans trust him with stewardship of politics in our front yards?
For the same reason Mc Cain doesn't call ultra right wing conservatives - whack jobs - wants their votes
You don't actually think he is an ultra right wing conservative - do you?
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It was a joke, notice the smilie at the end. Even Christians are allowed to have a sense of humor. :D
I apologize for taking that the wrong way then
:O
yes it happens
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I apologize for taking that the wrong way then
:O
yes it happens
No worries friend. I use lots of smilies for the simple reason that it can be very difficult to tell intent with just text. The smilies tend to help show intent. :)
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For the same reason Mc Cain doesn't call ultra right wing conservatives - whack jobs - wants their votes
You don't actually think he is an ultra right wing conservative - do you?
Nah. never did. the guy has been peeing in the republican cup... really annoyed the hell outta the base. he's about as much of a republican as ron paul is.
for me, that's a good thing. for the old republican base.. not so good.
now back to the question!
Given that Obama is not supporting a local reform initiative to clean up corrupt political practice in his constituents back yard, why should americans trust him with stewardship of politics in our front yards?
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Nah. never did. the guy has been peeing in the republican cup... really annoyed the hell outta the base. he's about as much of a republican as ron paul is.
for me, that's a good thing. for the old republican base.. not so good.
now back to the question!
Given that Obama is not supporting a local reform initiative to clean up corrupt political practice in his constituents back yard, why should americans trust him with stewardship of politics in our front yards?
Well, lets say... if I had a dog ...and if that dog would get an electric shock everytime he tried to go past the edge of my property, and he would continue to trot right up to that property line and jump back in shock and pain,,,, well i would think that dog was not very wise... where as you... might think that dog was adventurous.... and needed to explore new avenues ....
where as I would think that if you know that it is a futile endeavor and refrain from any prodding to go ahead and get that shock because someone wants to see you suffer a little and go ahead... Now i would think that dog is one wise animal... whereas you... would be frustrated and determined to find a way for that dog to try something else -because it is important to you to prove a point about how wise that dog really is....
Now me, I understand the whole point of your arguing for that dog go there to that extreme... but I also understand that that particular dog actually doesn't run in that pack to where he is the top dog... he is a member of the pack to some extent.. but if he bit the heels of any of the dogs in front of that pack... the dogs behind him would not be very amused... so to keep from having the pack attack him ...or leave him alone to fend for himself... he wisely stays in the yard and enjoys the bones that are thrown to him, he might one day be promoted to one of the top dog positions ... that then is a whole bigger yard, with lots of guard dogs ... then that dog might be able to shut down some of that power grid and venture past that fence line...if he chooses to do so... There are dog packs in Arizona and Alaska too......
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what?
you sayin obama couldn't get a vote of confidence as dog catcher in his home town?
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what?
you sayin obama couldn't get a vote of confidence as dog catcher in his home town?
you are quite verbose aren't you?
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it's a gift.
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it's a gift.
Send it back -- it was a gag gift
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Send it back -- it was a gag gift
:rofl
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In Illinois, if you dont live arond Chicago you are out of luck for any state help
If you live in Springfield, you MIGHT get help
Any other part of the state doesnt exist to the ones running it
Only change you will see in the politics for Illinois is pocketing the payoff money in a different pocket
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What's really happened is McCain lost his edge in 3 days, and his polls are dropping. So you rightie trekkies are frantically running around trying to find any feeble way possible to smoke screen it. We know, we get it. But thanks for the effort. :)
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Send it back -- it was a gag gift
:lol
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Send it back -- it was a gag gift
Can't. It came with this...
(http://www.hangtimes.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/mask.JPG.w560h420.jpg)
I've been at a loss for words ever since.
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What's really happened is McCain lost his edge in 3 days, and his polls are dropping. So you rightie trekkies are frantically running around trying to find any feeble way possible to smoke screen it. We know, we get it. But thanks for the effort. :)
The polls dont mean diddly at this point.
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Can't. It came with this...
(http://www.hangtimes.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/mask.JPG.w560h420.jpg)
I've been at a loss for words ever since.
thanks - was a great <snort> coffee stains on bottom left of screen that had projected furiously from nostrils are quite stubbornly refusing to clean off..
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Can't. It came with this...
(http://www.hangtimes.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/mask.JPG.w560h420.jpg)
I've been at a loss for words ever since.
:rofl
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The polls dont mean diddly at this point.
You neo trekkies kill me,...how do you meassure your pin-hole vision? With a micrometer?
His popularity after announcing Paline is slipping,.. the new car smell is gone and people are going back to thinking,... instead of acting star struck like groupies. <shrug> u folks sure are entertaining.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-obama-jones-ethics-18sep18,0,3197758.story
there you go
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You neo trekkies kill me,...how do you meassure your pin-hole vision? With a micrometer?
His popularity after announcing Paline is slipping,.. the new car smell is gone and people are going back to thinking,... instead of acting star struck like groupies. <shrug> u folks sure are entertaining.
The polls are mere indicators and are only small samplings of the population. They don't mean diddly either way. :rolleyes:
If they were samplings of a much larger portion of the population, then they might actually have some relevance.
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Two democrats were stuck on an escalator.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4XgKGUGKJo
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They just left this meeting of the minds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELfiVTTb5Jw