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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mechanic on September 17, 2008, 09:36:28 PM
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A small starter guide to flying like an idiot. Only idiots fly this disadvantaged into a fight, surely.
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/dudtaters.ahf
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/reversek4.ahf
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/mossla7.ahf
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/mossrevla7.ahf
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/AIpwn2.ahf
cheers,
bat
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Awesome flying bat. I expected some videos of you valiantly fighting to the death against greater numbers and taking a couple with you. Instead, it is just absolute ownage.
As for the film "AIpwn," well... yeah.
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lots of folk out there pulling these kind of moves on me helped me learn over the long term.
i got one of a b26 vs a p38 from tonight but cant host it from this computer.
anyone else want to add thier own clips that would be cool, im not the best out there by a long way.
S!
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here i found another good one.
this 109k4 pilot owned my mosquito in about 2 seconds.
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/11kownme.ahf
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how to die like a pro?...watch me
oh it says fly like an idiot? my bad :o
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"how to fly like a idiot".........Oh i know this one.........follow me. :) :rock
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All of your attackers show zero throttle management and zero patience at setting up a high % guns pass. They all think "If I overshoot, I'll just circle around for another shot because I'm in a Spit16/N1k."
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Just follow me into a fight. I'll show ya an idiot :)
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All of your attackers show zero throttle management and zero patience at setting up a high % guns pass. They all think "If I overshoot, I'll just circle around for another shot because I'm in a Spit16/N1k."
all those targets dont even have time to think after deciding on the low % shot opener and missing.
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dummy
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its not completely the attackers fault if the defender does a grade A job of looking like an easy kill right up till the last minute.
:salute
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Bat:
Look, no disrespect, but his needs to be put in perspective.
Every time you post a film, it is based on not only as Anax pointed out, usually a lack of gunnery and throttle control on the opponent's part, but an almost supernatural ability at gunnery on your part.
It ain't gonna happen for most people most of the time. Not the overshoot part, practically every furball involves using an overshoot to defend yourself at one point or the other, but turning that overshoot into a kill against a plane that has energy on you a large percentage of the time-ain't happening for most people most of the time. I say this as someone who has conservatively spent 5-6 hours a week practicing gunnery ALONE for the last two years. So kudos to you on your mastery of a incredibly difficult stunt, but advising the average AH pilot to fly a K-4 beneath the crowd and shoot whatever runs in and overshoots him is a bit like advising the average schmuck in a self-defense course to walk into a biker bar, start trouble, and take down his attackers with head-kicks.
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I think it's time for an e-go e-massage.
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fair comment BnZ, but dont think anyone gets there without spending years reapting the same failed move. If posting a few of these films inspires one new guy to start learning a different approach to virtual air combat in general, then i am satistfied. Do you want me to post hours and hours of long drawn out one on one dogfights vs the best players in the game? That takes long time to practice at also.
connery, if you think i need the praise from you monkeys you can go toss yer caber and toture some baby haggis or soemthing. I post to enlighten new folks with an open mind. I get enough attention in real life.
take the thread for what it is worth and please do hold back on the WTGs. I cannot play hardly at all at the moment so you poor forum goers will have to put up with me spouting this tripe for a while
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did you post any that you got shot down in?
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did you post any that you got shot down in?
Does such a film exist?
ack-ack
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Bat:
Look, no disrespect, but his needs to be put in perspective.
Every time you post a film, it is based on not only as Anax pointed out, usually a lack of gunnery and throttle control on the opponent's part, but an almost supernatural ability at gunnery on your part.
It ain't gonna happen for most people most of the time. Not the overshoot part, practically every furball involves using an overshoot to defend yourself at one point or the other, but turning that overshoot into a kill against a plane that has energy on you a large percentage of the time-ain't happening for most people most of the time. I say this as someone who has conservatively spent 5-6 hours a week practicing gunnery ALONE for the last two years. So kudos to you on your mastery of a incredibly difficult stunt, but advising the average AH pilot to fly a K-4 beneath the crowd and shoot whatever runs in and overshoots him is a bit like advising the average schmuck in a self-defense course to walk into a biker bar, start trouble, and take down his attackers with head-kicks.
:rolleyes:
On this note, we might as well cancel all youth sports and prepare to shut down the majors.
Sheeesh, it's bad enough so many horses won't drink without people telling them it's poison. So what? You die? So does Batfink. So does Dedalos, Skyrock, Creton, Shane, and everyone else. They die all the time. Who cares? Go try new things. Die a lot, have fun, aspire to improve. Get your butt kicked, and try it again. Look at this game like a sport, ask the better players for help... They're so starved for good fights they'll fall over themselves giving it to people who actually truly want it.
Not only is winning not everything... When it comes to Aces High, it's not anything. The day someone gets the girl or a cool million bucks for winning a fight in here, I'll eat my shoe, but until then all that matters is whether or not you're having fun in the process... And I guarantee you the 10,000 times Batfink's died he's had a ball.
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Ok, but I didn't mean to detract from bat's films. Although they portray an idealized version of how we want things to happen when we're defending, that's no reason to go after him.
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I am NOT going after Batfink...if thinking someone has an uncanny ability in this game counts as "going after someone"....sheesh...
Look, Vudak, its like boxing. Certain basic truisms "keep your hands up, never lead with the right" etc and so forth are taught, not because they are universally 100% true, but because they are true often enough for most. Sometimes an Ali-type (Batfink) can throw all these rules away, succeed, and look good doing it, but most if they try to EXACTLY imitate Ali's style, will end up spitting out teeth.
So it goes with this... As tutorial on defending oneself from a bnz attack in a pinch...great. What else are you going to do, let go of the stick and just die if a plane is diving in fast enough to catch you? As a way to constantly fly in the AH MA (at an energy disadvantage against superior numbers of more maneuverable a/c) and get regular kills (nessecary for the average human who doesn't want to end up throwing a boot through the screen eventually), not going to happen. It is somewhat hypocritical to have whole websites expounding the basic ACM "truisms", then have posts on the BBS about how you CAN break all these rules and succeed and are in fact a miserable pudknocker if you DON'T.
"And I guarantee you the 10,000 times Batfink's died he's had a ball."
If I didn't love to kill and HATE to get shot down then killing and getting away with it would have no sweetness, and why would I play?
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I am NOT going after Batfink...if thinking someone has an uncanny ability in this game counts as "going after someone"....sheesh...
Look, Vudak, its like boxing. Certain basic truisms "keep your hands up, never lead with the right" etc and so forth are taught, not because they are universally 100% true, but because they are true often enough for most. Sometimes an Ali-type (Batfink) can throw all these rules away, succeed, and look good doing it, but most if they try to EXACTLY imitate Ali's style, will end up spitting out teeth.
So it goes with this... As tutorial on defending oneself from a bnz attack in a pinch...great. What else are you going to do, let go of the stick and just die if a plane is diving in fast enough to catch you? As a way to constantly fly in the AH MA (at an energy disadvantage against superior numbers of more maneuverable a/c) and get regular kills (nessecary for the average human who doesn't want to end up throwing a boot through the screen eventually), not going to happen. It is somewhat hypocritical to have whole websites expounding the basic ACM "truisms", then have posts on the BBS about how you CAN break all these rules and succeed and are in fact a miserable pudknocker if you DON'T.
The tutorials, articles, and heavily-"fight to live"-biased books like In Pursuit are aimed at helping a fresh legs rookie have a fair chance for having success so they don't immediately give up. They are not designed for people looking for greater challenges. At some point, people look for more, and films like Batfink's give them an idea of what to try.
If I didn't love to kill and HATE to get shot down then killing and getting away with it would have no sweetness, and why would I play?
Let's just leave it at this: You and I obviously have extremely different values...
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did you post any that you got shot down in?
Does such a film exist?
ack-ack
here i found another good one.
this 109k4 pilot owned my mosquito in about 2 seconds.
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/11kownme.ahf
yes, pay attention. :D
no one is going after me. we can dispute points peacefully.
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no one is going after me.
I am, u twit! :furious
:noid
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*slaps 013598 with wet fish*
It is somewhat hypocritical to have whole websites expounding the basic ACM "truisms", then have posts on the BBS about how you CAN break all these rules and succeed and are in fact a miserable pudknocker if you DON'T.
thats the problem see, no one cares if you dont want to challenge yourself or learn new tricks. I honestly dont look down on any approach to this game a person wants to take.
So why is it that whenever someone does post some crazy moves a whole group of people gets offended without anyone insulting anything?
Cant deny that my title says how to fly like an idiot and the films cough up the goods.
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If I didn't love to kill and HATE to get shot down then killing and getting away with it would have no sweetness, and why would I play?
It's important that you get shot down. In fact it is absoultely a crucial element to the very "sweetness" you mention. I'm not looking for an argument so please take a second to consider the following before you answer: If you NEVER lost, NEVER got shot down, what sweetness would victory hold? Winning every time would quickly lose its joy.
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If you NEVER lost, NEVER got shot down,
-Then I would probably find it so addictive I would play 16 hours a day...
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*slaps 013598 with wet fish*
Blasphemy, it was 031598 :furious
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I'll show you flying like an idiot. I make stupid flying an art form.
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-Then I would probably find it so addictive I would play 16 hours a day...
Sure for a while.. til it got boring..Success without competition is unfulfilling.
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Mech: Its not really you man. Its of other things, people talking about the wickedness of bnz'ing, when what they are in fact referring to is OPHAing...people talking about he wickedness of fighter XYZ for running and picking when in fact in my experience, most kills in complex engagements are some form of pick, and I have had every fighter that CAN run from me do so, and others that can't do it long enough to drag me to friends or a freakin' flak, etc...
As for posting your videos, you do have a wonderful talent, and if you want to show it off a bit, I have absolutely no problem with that, I'm not one of those people who believe the talented are supposed to cultivate some kind of exaggerated humility.
*slaps 013598 with wet fish*
thats the problem see, no one cares if you dont want to challenge yourself or learn new tricks. I honestly dont look down on any approach to this game a person wants to take.
So why is it that whenever someone does post some crazy moves a whole group of people gets offended without anyone insulting anything?
Cant deny that my title says how to fly like an idiot and the films cough up the goods.
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As for posting your videos, you do have a wonderful talent, and if you want to show it off a bit, I have absolutely no problem with that, I'm not one of those people who believe the talented are supposed to cultivate some kind of exaggerated humility.
Given that you post this (and refer to him as "Mech"), I take it that you've yet to have the pleasure of getting to know Batfink :)
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Mech: Its not really you man. Its of other things, people talking about the wickedness of bnz'ing, when what they are in fact referring to is OPHAing...people talking about he wickedness of fighter XYZ for running and picking when in fact in my experience, most kills in complex engagements are some form of pick, and I have had every fighter that CAN run from me do so, and others that can't do it long enough to drag me to friends or a freakin' flak, etc...
As for posting your videos, you do have a wonderful talent, and if you want to show it off a bit, I have absolutely no problem with that, I'm not one of those people who believe the talented are supposed to cultivate some kind of exaggerated humility.
I agree with you on this matter almost completely. The truth is we all pick, we all run and we all gangbang. We all like to focus on the aspect we are most satisfied with, for me it is tricking the attacker into a suicidal approach. The only thing that is a bit lame in my eyes is preaching one method of flying and damning all others. I'm a cherry picking gang tard and i know it, the game wouldnt be worth playing if it was all equal duels every engagement.
Yes in some minor form i post to show off my game skills but mostly i post in the hope that I can open new doors to those who wish to add a few new skills to thier picking and ganging. Fly what you like and fly how you like with who ever you like and never feel bad about it. Thats my philosophy.
S!
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Fair play, nice shooting.
It's been so... long since I've ever pulled a snap shot off in the LWM. The new guys just don't fly like they use to.
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wasn't going after you...was showing in my round about way that this was not a chest thumping thread by you....that is all.
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JUST FOLLOW me around for a bit. i'm almost ALWAYS low in a slow plane, and regardless if i should get into a turnfight or not, i usually do. then i hit the trees. or the mountainside. or the other guy attempts to help my fuel economy by removing some of the heavier parts of my aircraft.
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connery, if you think i need the praise from you monkeys you can go toss yer caber and toture some baby haggis or soemthing. I post to enlighten new folks with an open mind. I get enough attention in real life.
take the thread for what it is worth and please do hold back on the WTGs. I cannot play hardly at all at the moment so you poor forum goers will have to put up with me spouting this tripe for a while
I ain't giving any praise, just making an observation, and If it's meant to be of help to someone, you might want to post in Help and Training instead of in the MA. Otherwise it does look like attention seeking. Sorry just call it how I see it.
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What? You mean flying like this?
http://www.mediafire.com/?t13wiftmm4m
(I just want to say, I didn't notice I lost both my wings until after the last few shots at the B-26's... I was then pondering... hey that doesn't feel right. Look left, left wing is gone, oh... no big deal I've had that happen a couple times I'll just land it. Look right. :huh Oh... that might be a problem...)
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i got an error trying that link hoffman, internet explorer cannot open the site may be experiencing trouble please try later, did you get the link right?
It's been so... long since I've ever pulled a snap shot off in the LWM. The new guys just don't fly like they use to.
half the opponents in these clips have been playing as long as i have...
i always said you would be twice as deadly with a joystick
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I post to enlighten new folks with an open mind. I get enough attention in real life.
I'm the worst player in AH, I suck at this game, just as I did in AW. But I think your claim of wanting to "enlighten new folks" falls short when you start out by refering to everyone that flys against you as an idiot. I think that's what gets people's dander up.
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JUST FOLLOW me around for a bit. i'm almost ALWAYS low in a slow plane, and regardless if i should get into a turnfight or not, i usually do. then i hit the trees. or the mountainside. or the other guy attempts to help my fuel economy by removing some of the heavier parts of my aircraft.
Is there any other way to fly? Sounds very familier to me :)
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He refers to himself as "flying like an idiot" Traveler.
Helping noobs? If you want "how to do an overshoot"-watch a Batfink video. Period. Learning to do an overshoot is how that Spit 5K above becomes a mere dangerous annoyance to keep an eye while you are trying to hunt-In a P-51, Jug, Dora, Typhoon, name it-instead of a deal breaker.
What makes the "Holy Crap" moments in the film is Batfink's unbelievable snap-shooting ability. That was my only caveat-I think most people can learn how to pull off the maneuver, but not the kill shot consistently, which is why I personally won't be taking up positioning myself below a cloud of Red and killing them on the overshoot as a lifestyle. I have people overshoot me all the time, but rarely put much lead on the sucker before he's out of range. In many ways, when your shooting ability makes you a "flying wirbelwind", it changes which maneuvers can work. Bat could probably drop people right and left on the HO/FQ snapshot in the MA without taking damage if that was his wont.
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Idiot is my middle name wait :huh doh :noid
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If posting a few of these films inspires one new guy to start learning a different approach to virtual air combat in general, then i am satistfied.
I only watched the first video. I never knew a 109 could do that :eek: I guess throttle control is a real good skill to learn. <S>
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It is somewhat hypocritical to have whole websites expounding the basic ACM "truisms", then have posts on the BBS about how you CAN break all these rules and succeed and are in fact a miserable pudknocker if you DON'T.
Not only you can break all those rules, but in order to be "good" you must break them. You must be able to surprise your opponent with the unexpected, trick him, beat him mentally, before ACM will do anything for you. I play this game 3 or 4 days a week. The guys I fight that perform basic ACMs out of the book die after the first turn. Not because I am good, know my plane, or anything that would indicate skill. Because they are predictable. I know where they will be after following an ACM rule out of the book, and I make sure my guns point there.
So really, I think you should stop giving advice or talk about how to be successful in this game until you actually figure it out yourself also. BnZ , is the most predictable thing you could do. The reason Bat could hit the impossible shots is because they were predictable. He knew where to point his guns at. Dos not always work, but hey, I miss AFK people from dead 6 at D200 also.
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:rolleyes:
Sheeesh, it's bad enough so many horses won't drink without people telling them it's poison. So what? You die? So does Batfink. So does Dedalos, Skyrock, Creton, Shane, and everyone else. They die all the time.
Correction. Dedalos is alive. It was only a PW and I did manage to eject. Even though I was found unconscious behind enemy lines, our spy Agent360 was able to make contact with double agent Stang. They put together a team lead by official HT spy TC and somehow managed to bring me back.
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Correction. Dedalos is alive. It was only a PW and I did manage to eject. Even though I was found unconscious behind enemy lines, our spy Agent360 was able to make contact with double agent Stang. They put together a team lead by official HT spy TC and somehow managed to bring me back.
:lol :lol :lol
:aok
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So there IS a mass disinformation campaign? :noid
Not only you can break all those rules, but in order to be "good" you must break them. You must be able to surprise your opponent with the unexpected, trick him, beat him mentally, before ACM will do anything for you. I play this game 3 or 4 days a week. The guys I fight that perform basic ACMs out of the book die after the first turn. Not because I am good, know my plane, or anything that would indicate skill. Because they are predictable. I know where they will be after following an ACM rule out of the book, and I make sure my guns point there.
So really, I think you should stop giving advice or talk about how to be successful in this game until you actually figure it out yourself also. BnZ , is the most predictable thing you could do. The reason Bat could hit the impossible shots is because they were predictable. He knew where to point his guns at. Dos not always work, but hey, I miss AFK people from dead 6 at D200 also.
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I only watched the first video. I never knew a 109 could do that :eek: I guess throttle control is a real good skill to learn. <S>
S! Joe, yes very much of it is to do with subtle throttle work.
BnZ lol :) not so much disinformation, more one set of rules that was applicable to real life risk of death and another that can be applied to virtual life no risk of death.
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Nice films Bat - dont need any help in flying like an idiot - it comes naturally to me... :lol :D
When ya getting back in game fella?
<S>
Wurzel
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S! wurzle, will be good to get back permanantly one day and get shot down by The Few again.
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That wasnt, and more than likely, never will be me.....lol...will be good to see ya back mate......
Now get your puter sorted, and get back in here will ya, sheesh....
;)
Wurzel
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Is there any other way to fly? Sounds very familier to me :)
nope. all the fun is 5k and lower :D
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It's important that you get shot down. In fact it is absoultely a crucial element to the very "sweetness" you mention. I'm not looking for an argument so please take a second to consider the following before you answer: If you NEVER lost, NEVER got shot down, what sweetness would victory hold? Winning every time would quickly lose its joy.
This is why i fly with my left hand. :D
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hey bat! nice to see you around.
I haven't flown the mossie a lot recently myself, i've returned to my spitfire roots. :D i'm sure i'll return to it eventually however.
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S! Joe, yes very much of it is to do with subtle throttle work.
BnZ lol :) not so much disinformation, more one set of rules that was applicable to real life risk of death and another that can be applied to virtual life no risk of death.
Bat: Roger. Bear with me, I have unreformed grognard tendencies and a bizarre desire to see stuff I've read about the real Aces doing working.
Another hobby of mine, which I am ashamed to say I have been neglecting, is learning to handle a two-handed sword EXACTLY the way Liechtenauer taught in 14th century...from such perverse things do I derive my jollies, that is where I'm coming from a lot of the time :D