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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: 1pLUs44 on September 17, 2008, 10:26:10 PM
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I like it and all, but I honestly dont think it's all that good. It doesn't hold very many rounds, and from what I've seen on here, the AP is not nearly as powerful as the Panzers. :(
Any thoughts.
(I really do like it, just kinda disappointed to see it perked.)
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Someone needs to take away your Vicodin. :D
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No, it shouldn't be perked. It is about on par with the Panzer IV H.
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Thats what I think. Only difference I can really come up with is armour and speed.
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Bah, its 3 points. I have thousands!
Go strat run with a T34/76
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No, it shouldn't be perked. It is about on par with the Panzer IV H.
Agreed. Its just about the same and deserves no perk price.
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Agreed. Its just about the same and deserves no perk price.
It might be a little early to draw any conclusions, but in the first 24h the T-34/85 is killing Panzer IV's at a 2-1 ratio. Impressive if you consider that when a GV is new, a lot of people trying silly things in it...
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It might be a little early to draw any conclusions, but in the first 24h the T-34/85 is killing Panzer IV's at a 2-1 ratio. Impressive if you consider that when a GV is new, a lot of people trying silly things in it...
If it maintains that ratio it does need to be perked, at least lightly.
I would very much like to see an unperked tank besides the Panzer IV H though. The T-34/76 does not count as it is practically never seen. Maybe an Easy Eight would fit in that spot?
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I played in this tank a lot last night.
It owns the Panzer IV. Hands down.
The only weak spot is that the T34/85 turret can easily be popped by the Panzer, but the Panzer's turret will go out too from the 85mm gun on the T34. And the T34, at ranges in the 1500ish area where I got a lot of kills last night, will kill the Panzer far more often per hit than the Panzer will kill the T34.
My experiences last night include:
Killed a Tiger at 150 yards or so from the side as he passed a gap in a hedge. Killed another Tiger from the front left quarter from 100 yards. Hit a Tiger turret smack in the face from 25 yards and did nothing. This is not a Sherman gun, it is not a silver bullet against the Tiger, but it is capable, particularly if you can hit the side armor, and from longer ranges than the T34/76 would do it.
I killed a bunch of M4s. I recall killing at least two at 800-1000 yards with hvap rounds into the front glacis of the M4. Try killing a Sherman that way in a T34/76 from *any* range and you'll die. Side armor shots into the M4 from 800-1200 yards were one-shot kills probably 90% of the time. You could kill Shermans in the side with the old T34, but you wanted to be much closer before you fired, just to improve your odds. Now you take the shot if you can hit with it, and the M4 is vulnerable.
My expectations of the gun power are actually surpassed. I thought it would be about as effective as the Panzer gun, but I think it's actually a little more powerful than that. It's not as powerful as the Tiger gun or the Sherman gun, but it shouldn't be.
My big complaint is that the T34/85 turret is made of wet toilet paper. Almost anything will pop it, easily. Was it *really* that easy to pop in WWII? I would laugh my butt off, but wouldn't be shocked, if a guy could bail out of his fighter, pop his chute, land near a T34/85 and cap it with his Colt 1911 and smoke the turret.
I did also notice that the hill-climbing ability was very much lessened compared to the old T34, even on very shallow grades. I consistently had to drop a whole gear or so lower than I'd been used to using in that tank.
In short, in a pure tank vs. tank battle, the Sherman will still dominate everything (but the Tiger, which it will be close to be still behind in kill ratio, and for much fewer perks). The T34/85 will come next, followed by the Panzer, then the T34/76 a very distant last. But I drove around the T34/76 in hundreds of missions in recent months, and I'm going to really enjoy using the T34/85. If you can hold onto your turret, you can have a great time in this tank.
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The T-85 does have its advantages, the speed of the t-34, faster reload time.
but i wasnt as impressed as sethipus with the fire power. first few min of playing last night after the patch i killed 3 t-85's with a panzr, one of them i turreted and tracked with a single shot.
after that i tried it out for myself in a GV battle and i only mad a few kills and spent alot of time on my side from being tracked but i bounced ALOT of rounds off of pnzrs and tigers.
you can shoot longer ranges then the t-34, rolled to a airfield and shot at another tank around 2K out and bounced 10 rounds off of him before he got me so i had to come back with a panzr and got him in 2 shots from the same spot i was at with the t-85, after the first night some are probly having better luck then others with it.
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I thought the T-34/85's turret was uparmored compared to the T-34/76? I can't seem to find any numbers on the internet as it seems my old tank sites are no longer up.
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I got on the other night and used the new T-34 exclusively until I had a good feel for it. I like it overall. The speed of the reload is much better and that makes it to me 10 time better. The killing power of the 85mm is good. I had many kills on shermans from both side and front and a flank shot was a for sure kill. Frontal shot was about an 80% kill depending on exactly where I hit. The gun sight is much better than the old gun sight and I attribute a good percentage of my kills to the wider view from the sight and being able to see more while in the scope. The armor is good but still the T-34 can be taken out by a sherman/tiger. As far as a panzer if it hits you dead on in the turret it might take you out or just disable you (i guess it is lady luck which one you get). I tried several differnt tactics to see where it best perfromed (close up shooting, distance shooting, and I still need some more fighting in it to see which I prefer. In time I think I can rack up some decents numbers in this ride.
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Agreed. Its just about the same and deserves no perk price.
If this happens, u'll never c the T34-76 again on the field of battle : (The battle that i will win :aok with an M8)
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T-34/85 turret:
90mm frontal armor
75mm side armor
52mm rear armor
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T-34/85 turret:
90mm frontal armor
75mm side armor
52mm rear armor
That's good armor thickness. Then why in the heck is the T34/85 turret so insanely easy to pop? It's nearly impossible to hit it with any gun on any tank in the game from any range without it popping.
Is this a bug we're seeing, or can someone explain why this is happening?
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because it's brand new?
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Remember the T34/76 turret has slope to it. The T34/85 turret side is nearly vertical.
However, I don't know if the angle difference is enough to make up for the difference in turret armor side thickness (52mm 76, 75mm 85).
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The angling on a T34/76 turret is negligible in difference to the T34/85. So if those armor thickness numbers are accurate between the two, I would expect that the T34/85 would not be so easy to turret, definitely not easier than the T34/76. This thing seems like a flak...
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give us the Panther :devil
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because it's brand new?
+1.
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with the perks, there's really no reason to take a T34-85 out over an M4
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I like the T-34/85 now. I've been doing good in it. So far, only a Sherman, and a Tiger have killed me.
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with the perks, there's really no reason to take a T34-85 out over an M4
Sure there is. The T-34/85 is faster.
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The T34/85mm has a turret made of vodka bottles just like the T34/76mm. One hit and *poof* there goes the main gun.
Yes, it is fast @ 35mph. Yes, it has a gun that can compete directly with the Pzr IV and Firefly. However, until the T34/85mm gets a more correct dmg model for the turret (ditto for the T34/76mm), it is barely worth more than the T34/76mm.
The T34 doesnt live up to its legend as a damage sponge.
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I would very much like to see an unperked tank besides the Panzer IV H though. The T-34/76 does not count as it is practically never seen.
+1
T-34/76 never seen
Panzer IV is free
T-34/85 3 perks
M-4 6 perks
Tiger I 34 perks ?! :huh With only a 1.2 k/d ratio against the M4. :huh
The T34 doesnt live up to its legend as a damage sponge.
I don't think it was so much a damage sponge as a damage deflector.
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The T34 doesnt live up to its legend as a damage sponge.
That's the problem with legends. They are often exaggerations of the truth.
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its perked....oh crap better go check my perks
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With the ease the T34/85 loses it's turret there is no way it should be perked.
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Resupply one factory and you get four T34 perkies for your trouble. I think it should be even more expensive!
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+1
Tiger I 34 perks ?! :huh With only a 1.2 k/d ratio against the M4. :huh
I don't think it was so much a damage sponge as a damage deflector.
Now what's is k/d vs all tanks hmmmm?
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Remember, there are more things to rate a tank on than the power of its gun. It is capable of 35mph after all. One has to wonder how in the *&^%$# HTC comes up with a perk score for the T34/85mm and not he Spit16, La7, or Nik2.
Yeah, it is too bad that it has a turret made of cheese and that becasue of that the T34 or T34/85mm does not live up to its legendary status and is the joke of the AH2 game, but it is fast and an oncoming horde of them (10+) should strike fear into all Firefly and Tiger drivers.
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Now what's is k/d vs all tanks hmmmm?
Yes, of course it's higher, but the cost ratio for a Tiger vs a Sherman is ~6:1. A 6 perk tank can go toe-to-toe with a 34 perk tank; it doesn't make sense. I don't want to see the cost of the Tiger reduced, but the M4 should be increased.
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OK, let me state up front that the perk is necessary. Simply because of it's speed. The drat thing is 10 MPH faster than any other effective tank in game. If it did not have that low perk price, it would be the next Zergrush tank, supplanting the T-34/76. The gun is about where I thought it would be (under 1500m and it just surpasses the performance of the 75mm on the Panzer IV H). It's quick, has a decent gun (under 1500m), and the armor should shrug off most shots taken over 1500m by the 75mm KwK 40 L/48 of the Panzer IV (The only effective non perked tank in game). The T-34/76, although useful, is not as effective as a tank, simply because of the glacial reload time of it's main gun. It is best used as an ambush tank, or Zerging towns/bases. The perk of the T-34/85 is necessary, otherwise usage of the Panzer, and T-34/76, will be nonexistent.
[hijack]I do however have issue with the perk price of the M4, and/or the Tiger I. The perk price needs to be evened out, either the M4 perk price needs to be doubled, or the Tiger I's price needs to be halved(along with a more realistic damage model against bombs, HINT HINT Hitech). This will better align weapon and armor effectiveness with K/D, and usage rates.[/hijack]
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OK, let me state up front that the perk is necessary. Simply because of it's speed. The drat thing is 10 MPH faster than any other effective tank in game. If it did not have that low perk price, it would be the next Zergrush tank, supplanting the T-34/76. The gun is about where I thought it would be (under 1500m and it just surpasses the performance of the 75mm on the Panzer IV H). It's quick, has a decent gun (under 1500m), and the armor should shrug off most shots taken over 1500m by the 75mm KwK 40 L/48 of the Panzer IV (The only effective non perked tank in game). The T-34/76, although useful, is not as effective as a tank, simply because of the glacial reload time of it's main gun. It is best used as an ambush tank, or Zerging towns/bases. The perk of the T-34/85 is necessary, otherwise usage of the Panzer, and T-34/76, will be nonexistent.
[hijack]I do however have issue with the perk price of the M4, and/or the Tiger I. The perk price needs to be evened out, either the M4 perk price needs to be doubled, or the Tiger I's price needs to be halved(along with a more realistic damage model against bombs, HINT HINT Hitech). This will better align weapon and armor effectiveness with K/D, and usage rates.[/hijack]
Oh... but it deosnt. I have yet to have a hit from a Pzr NOT take out the turret from any distance. If the incoming round hits the front of the turrent... might as well tower out and get a new tank. The T34 series, both the 76mm and 85mm have turrents made of cheese and are knocked out of commision far too easily. Read up and just see how inaccurate this is compared to the real thing in WWII. You wont find testimony anywhere making comment on how fragile the T34 turrets were. At least I have to read or hear of any testimory saying so and I have read... a lot and spoken to... many. :)
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Should I look for a film I have where it took 3 hits to kill a T34 with a Panzer, with one on the turret the suffered no damage, and at fairly close range?
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What part of SHOULD SHRUG OFF did you not understand? :rolleyes: Yes, the turret is made of Brie, when it should have a damage model closer to a Fireflys turret. No argument from me on that point.
Now, if you have a comment about my post, and the necessity of the low perk for the T-34/85, or telling me I'm full of it, and your reasons why it shouldn't be perked, I will be glad to hear it.