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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sledriver on January 08, 2000, 04:26:00 PM
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What gives ????
Having 3 sides is utter nonsense. 99% of the time you are always going to have 2 teams ganging up on 1. Talk about frustration. Today there were 32 pilots on each team. Then the bish and nits got together and blamo, it's 64 to 32. The rooks get hit from both sides and don't know which way to turn. HT, you guys have to either add another team or eliminate 1, and I hope you do it soon.
Signed
Frustrated
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Sled,
I was on this afternoon as a Knight. While I am still undecided on which is better, 2 sides or 3, I can say it was not a combined Knight/Bish effort.
The Knights were also hitting the Bish's from F5, their southern flank.
And,I think, the Rooks owned alot of real estate in Bishland..i think 7,8,3, and 4. Plus u had 13 of Knights at one time.
It might have seemed like the Rooks were the only country fighting a 2-front war, but while I was on...all 3-sides had to fight a 2-front war.
Still, haven't decided which way to go is best yet, 2 or 3 sides.
Cobra
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Member of the Flying Elvis's...AH's most elite parachute team...
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Alot more often than not I see no red markers in the sectors around fields 5-6-15-16. There can be 30 pilots in each country and it's invariably the majority of the nits and bishcuits hitting us Rooks.
Kinda old, specially when bishcuits complain about being outnumbered by the rooks and not taking into account the lack of a fight with the nits. While we fight (or try to sometimes) on 2 fronts.
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Air power is a thunderbolt launched from an egg shell invisibly tethered to a base. - Hoffman Nickerson
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Just my opinion about what occurs in the arena as it stands.
Generally, the Bishops and the Rocks predominately fight each other. This war goes back to the earliest Beta versions. When there was, simply, too few Knits.
Now the Knit population of players is on par with the Bishops and the Rocks. The Knits have now became the "Swing Team", to some extent. Who ever the Knits chose to attack loses!
I predict in a couple more versions. We well be at each others throats more evenly, philsophically speaking of course. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
IMO this lopsided swaying back and forth of team loyalties and animosity, is what gives the main arena its character. Simply try not to get so concerned about losing land, the arena just resets. WahLah! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Mino
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Funny that this thing is almost year old, but still theres 3-sides...
Back in the betas of Dawn of Aces (about year and less ago), there was 3-sides, which was as well flamed..
I guess none of HTC did check those posts...
or then it's just some beta arrangement which stays put even after beta. (ops.. did they forget something? i hope HTC doesn't (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
I think this is bit annoying to have always 2 sides on either bishcuits or rooks.
Last night I did check.. around 30 players every side, made check on each side, noticed that most of knits and bishcuits were fightning on rooks (no less than 3/4 of total strenght)
When I did knits attack last time against bishcuits with bigger force and for longer time, it was when bishcuits lived there were rooks used to (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (did knights forget country shuffle or are they just stubborn with northern areas?)
Minotaur, they're not bishops, they're bishcuits (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (you did spell knits right tho)
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Ya know.....I must be playing at the wrong time but for the last few days, it has seemed that us Bish's have been getting pummled by BOTH the Riks and Nits.
Yesterday afternoon we had the Riks (who numbered in the 40s) swarming us at 7, 8 and 4 and the Nits (who numbered in the 20s) owning 5, 6 and losing 3 after we took it. We owned 1, 2, 3, and 4 and thats it.
Move ahead a few hours to 10PM EST and whats changed? We lost 3 and 2. Nits are around 2, 5 and 6 while the Riks (who now numbered in the 50s) owned 7, 8 and 3.
I dont EVEN want to hear the Riks complaining how they are getting gang banged cause over the last week, us Bish's have been gettin it up the bellybutton without lubrication! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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This has always been a pet peeve of mine... I prefer games that are historically correct; 1 side vs. the other. I'd be very happy to see a historic server with the Allieds taking on the Germans exclusively.
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A.J.Rimmer
Capt. of the B-17 "MilkRun".
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Whether your a bish, or a knit, or a rook, it doesn't matter.
The point being, is there is always a 2 on 1, whether intentional or not. If you have pilots leaving the game frustrated because they are fighting a 2 sided losing battle. It won't take long till they stop coming back. This is supposed to be for fun, not aggravation.
Historically, the germans fought a 2 sided war, and look what happened. You just can't win, no way, no how.
Unless HT is going to give the rooks some V2 rockets or the Me 262.
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Sledriver
(The MAD BOMBER)
[This message has been edited by Sledriver (edited 01-09-2000).]
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Dudes,
The one thing I'm big on is Allied vs Axis.
He is an editoral I wrote for Gamestorm. After being told they will never change, and hearing from pilots from all the different counties, that my feelings where mutual all around. I left.
www.airwarrior.com/community/editorials.html (http://www.airwarrior.com/community/editorials.html)
Even if they put all the axis PTO planes on one side, the axis ETO in the second, and the allied, in the third, that would be a begining. Oh yeah, git rid of the enemy icons also. You can see your guys, and you get to get up close and personal to see who's who in the axis zoo!
Mr.ED
Pony Driver
Allied Pilot, stuck in a horse suit.
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Sure, let's just have some of those uber planes for LW also...
uber P-51 & Spit weenies...
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Again, another stupid wasted night. Nits and bish are both attacking rooks. Only 2 bases left. Out numbered 3 to 1. And slowly 1 by 1, rooks are leaving. WHY ???
BECAUSE THEY ARE FRUSTRATED !!!
It's hard enough trying to get something organized when there are 20 different groups doing there own thing.
Do something HT !!! I want to play for fun and relaxation, not this.
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Sledriver
(The MAD BOMBER)
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Sled;
I got a funny feeling it happens to be the times that you log on. This land grab battle tips back and forth constantly.
IMO this is what adds character to the area, but I can understand why you don't like it.
Last night from massive attacks, because at the time the Rocks had very good numbers, the Bishops were down to 2 bases. Prior to that, the Bishops controlled 3 Rock bases and fought a war all day long with the Knits to the West. Then today, once again the Bishop's pushed back deep into Rockland.
Check the Map. The Knits never lose much ground, they are ROTFLTBFAO at us! While the Rocks and Bishop battle it out. They clean the map, and attack our flanks. The time spent clearing the pesky Knits out your backyard is the time the Rocks attack your other front.
If you want revenge, swing your guns around. Attack the Knits....
<Puts away stirring stick> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Fishu;
Minotaur, they're not bishops, they're bishcuits (you did spell knits right tho)
Hmmm... I am pretty sure the three teams are Bishops, Knits and Rocks? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mino
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More like Knights suckers and sheep.....
hehe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
So now that you know the master plan what are you going to do about it hmm? Bwahahahaha!
:>
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If your in range, so is the enemy.
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"It's hard enough trying to get something organized when there are 20 different groups doing there own thing.
Do something HT !!! I want to play for fun and relaxation, not this."
And I suppose HiTech should make it so that you, obviously the minority, should have fun by making the much larger group of people doing thier thing do what you want to do?
-Westy
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Check the Map. The Knits never lose much ground, they are ROTFLTBFAO at us! While the Rocks and Bishop battle it out.
Yup. Seems the Knits never really have to deal with the same 2 front battle us Bish's and Riks have to deal with occasionally. We even organized our squad nite last nite around trying to turn the tide of battle against the Nits! Couldn't seem to convince the rest of the Bish's to stop attacking the Riks at 18! Pissed me off a little bit too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
All that gang banging of the Riks who already had the Nits to deal with as well....almost made me feel bad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Almost.
-Ding
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Actually I think the 3 sided war works (and I usually fly Rook), its just the community is young and is just now learning how to deal with it since all 3 sides have equal numbers.
Two major options for situations like last night.
I.) Rooks and Bishops team together to go after Knights for a change (or Knights/Rooks). This can be done thru a variety of ways.
II.) Get a bunch of the Rooks, all defect to Bishops, and start hitting Knights in the rear area's and stealing bases and knocking out their industry. Pretty soon, you will have a fight stirred up between the other two teams.
Or one I didn't think of initially
III.) Have all or most of the rooks all defect to other teams, take out the last two Rook bases, and cause a reset.
Remember guys, you don't have to stay on one team, even if you are in a squad. Move around, meet other people, and do different things.
There are plenty of ways to make a three sided war work, use your imagination.
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires ;) "
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C'mon guys! It happens to every side- trust me, I know!
I flew Knight during the heinous Bishop/Rook pact Saturday night. Result? Two hours of endless vultching on massively overwhelmed Knight bases. I don't care, I had fun anyway.
Flew last night as Rook; they were down to two bases. Knights on the north, Bishops on the south. To make matters worse, I was flying base defense in an F4U. Result? Endless streams of enemy fighters pummeling our two bases. I don't care, I had a blast.
If I log on today and see that Bishops are overwhelmed, I'll be there. And I'll get vultched. And I'll have fun.
You don't have to "win" to have fun, which is something we sometimes forget. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
For those of you guys who want a coordinated attack everytime you log on, the answer is simple; form a squad, decide on a night, and show up in numbers. Expecting everyone on a side to do exactly what you want them to do is not realistic. Surround yourselves with like-minded people and have at it!
I personally don't want to be in a squad because I fly the way my mood dictates, or with my own agenda; If I want to test the charactersistics of a particular a/c, I will seek out every furball I can to see what I can do under a variety of circumstances. I may go on a long-range headhunt. I may support a group offensive. I may see a friend and wing with him/her. I may happen upon an arch rival (friendly, of course) and have a series of "duels". I'm not necessarily a "loner", but I don't need anyone telling me what to do. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
In the end Minotaur is exactly right- the worst thing that happens is a reset.
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I am sorry I put somewhat flamatory remarks in here. I like this game very much, and I don't have to win all the time. But being pummelled all the time is not fun. I was killed 3 times before I even got in my a/c. And that was to start my evenings session! As for closing the bases, the nits and bish had no intentions to. They were having to much fun just vulching.
I guess my way of thinking is just that much different from yours.
So enough said {S}
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Sledriver
(The MAD BOMBER)
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I am going back and forth on this.
It was really bad being a rook at my login time last week and week befor. But I have notices that the Knights are starting to get a bit disorganised as they get some numbers.
That was always the worst. The Bish and the Rooks are hammering it out with semi equal numbers and then an organised groop of 8-10 knights tears the heart out of the rooks rear areas...
The had to be really organised when they where often outnumbered so badly but that is not the case anymore.
A few weeks ago a call went out(here) for people to join knights. and they have.
Really bad to be a rook for a few weeks as a result.
Last couple of days seems better to me. At least some three way fights going on. It is interesting to see the dynamics evolve.
But it is definatly true. The knights have had there freebees.....Time to squish em again!
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What Verm said. If numbers are even, and it's two against one, defect and start a little war somewhere else. Spread the Hate. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
popeye