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Title: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: ghostdancer on September 20, 2008, 03:58:04 PM
DESCRIPTION
This FSO will recreate the conquest of Tunisia by the Allies in 1943.
 
In the east Montgomery and his 8th Army, the famous desert rats, race through Libya until finally being brought to a halt by Rommel at the "Mareth Line" where he was dug in and tried to end his long retreat from Egypt. Fortunately for him the 8th Army was had almost at the very end of its supply chain which brought its rapid advance to a screeching halt until ports in Libya were repaired and supply dumps created closer to the Tunisia border.
 
Meanwhile in the west the Allied 1st Army had landed in Morocco and Algeria on November 8th and had rolled up both countries in the face of only sporadic Vichy resistance and light German defenses. However, Hitler was determined to make Tunisia the cornerstone of the Axis defense of North Africa, swearing to turn it into the Verdun of the Mediterranean. General Arnim was immediately sent to take command of the German and Italian forces in Tunisia and to sieze it from the French before they could switch sides and turn it over to the Americans and the British, as they had just done in the "Darlan Deal" for Morocco and Algeria.

All told Arnim had 110,000 troops, 200 tanks (with some of the new Panthers present) and Flieger Korps II had been reinforced to 445 combat aircraft and 637 transport aircraft.
 
Facing this in the west was the Allied 1st Army made up of green American troops, unreliable French divisions (freshly come over from the Vichy regime), and fresh British divisions new to North Africa. The western airforce made up of both USAAF and RAF was untried and had yet to develop the command structure and tactics that the Desert Air Force in the East had developed after several hard years of warfare.
 

While in the east stood the battle hardened 8th Army eager to finally end their long tour of duty in Africa with only the German and Italian forces in Tunisia standing in their way.

NOTE: We will be using the new, very much larger Tunisia terrain for this event.
 
ALLIED AIRCRAFT
U.S.
A-20G
B-24J (limited)
B-25C/D (formations enabled)
B-26B (formations enabled)
F4F-4
P-38G
P-39D
P-40E   
 
M-3
Sherman VC

BRITISH
Boston Mk III (formations enabled)
Hurricane Mk IIC
Hurricane Mk IID
Seafire MK IIC
Spitfire Mk V
Spitfire Mk IX

   
AXIS AIRCRAFT
GERMAN
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
Bf 110C-4b
Bf 110G-2
Fw 190A-5 (sub for early 190s)
Ju 87D-3 (gets 2 lives)
Ju 88A-4 (formations enabled)
 
Panzer IV
SdKfz 251
 
ITALIAN
C.202

COUNTRY PERCENTAGES
Roughly 50 / 50 with the Axis having slightly more.
 
SCORING
CV - TBD points
CA - TBD points
DD - TBD points

5 pts - Single Engine AC with 1 crew
10 pts - Single or double engine AC with 2 crew
15 pts - Double Engine AC with 3+ crew

TBD - Small Airfield
TBD - Medium Airfield
TBD - Large Airfield
TBD - Port
TBD - Vehicle Base
TBD - Grunt Facility
TBD - HQ
 
ARENA SETTINGS
- Tunisia terrain
- Fuel 1.0
- Icons short
- 0.5 Ack
- Fighter and Bomber warning range 52,000 (about 10 miles)
- Tower range set to 52,000 (for display only to match the above setting)
- Clouds / visibility
      Frame 1, 29 miles
      Frame 2, 33 miles
      Frame 3, 14 miles
- Radar off
- Formations off - Friendly collisions off
- Kill shooter off
- Calm winds
- Time: 11 AM
 
SPECIAL RULES

Note special rules sent out with the objectives trump these special rules.

   1. JU87 pilots get a second life in an aircraft assigned to them by their CiC (it can be any of the available Axis plane type except fw190A5s).
       
   2. If both CiCs agree they may have the setup CM end the frame early. This is usually done if one side wipes out the other side (i.e. 60 versus 5).
       
   3. Dead pilots may gun bombers. They may not man the guns of airfields or ships.
       
   4. If ships are used in a frame each side can maneuver the ships as long as they stay in their containment area.
       
   5. All targets must be attacked within the first hour of the event.

GROUND RULES
A ground combat element will be incorporated into the event. Specific rules regarding the ground combat will be forth coming. However a couple of new elements will be tried in the event to try to add more nuance or richness to the ground action. First off the ground combat will be a type of capture the flag. Both sides will spawn outside of a base not controlled by either and will be tasked with capturing the neutral (third party base) and holding it until end frame (so a sort of capture the flag but with a stationary flag).
Also GV life might either be a one life affair for those assigned to GVs or if I determine that the GV players get a second life in planes later in frame they will not be allowed to up in planes until after a specific time marker (i.e. T+60 or T+75, etc.   ... it is to TBD). However dead GV players may man the guns of other tanks and vehicles.
 
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: oakranger on September 20, 2008, 05:42:47 PM
DESCRIPTION

GROUND RULES
A ground combat element will be incorporated into the event. Specific rules regarding the ground combat will be forth coming. However a couple of new elements will be tried in the event to try to add more nuance or richness to the ground action. First off the ground combat will be a type of capture the flag. Both sides will spawn outside of a base not controlled by either and will be tasked with capturing the neutral (third party base) and holding it until end frame (so a sort of capture the flag but with a stationary flag).
Also GV life might either be a one life affair for those assigned to GVs or if I determine that the GV players get a second life in planes later in frame they will not be allowed to up in planes until after a specific time marker (i.e. T+60 or T+75, etc.   ... it is to TBD). However dead GV players may man the guns of other tanks and vehicles.
 


Like that new addition with the GV.  Make it more intresting in a air to ground fight. 
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: Saxman on September 20, 2008, 05:54:32 PM
*predicts M3s and 251s to be hunted down with extreme prejudice* :D

I'm more intrigued by the F4Fs vs Luftwaffe side, myself. ;)
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: daddog on September 20, 2008, 06:07:55 PM
Looking forward to this one. Always had a soft spot for North Africa.  :aok

GD please ask Skuzzy/Pyro to put it up on the HTC downloads page. I am sure most event players don't have it yet.
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: ghostdancer on September 20, 2008, 06:45:09 PM
Yep, I am going to have the GVs either in Frame 2 or Frame 3 so that squads who are interested can request the GV rides. I know a lot of people don't like them or care for GV work but out 500 players I figure we have to have at least a few squads who might like trying it out.

As for the F4F, yes I plan to have a british Fleet sailing between Tunisia and Sicily to Malta .. to simulate the British Naval activity in the area. So yes, Martlets and Seafires will be involved.
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: Nefarious on September 20, 2008, 06:49:47 PM
Looking forward to this  :aok
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: trax1 on September 20, 2008, 06:51:48 PM
I love GV's, hope to see it more & more in FSO's.
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 20, 2008, 07:11:57 PM
Panzer Vs. Sherman!? :huh
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: choppit on September 20, 2008, 07:14:41 PM
Panzer Vs. Sherman!? :huh

That same match is in the AVA right now and frankly, it is not a fair match at long range.
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: 442w30 on September 20, 2008, 07:17:51 PM
 :aok Nice very nice.  I am looking forward to it!    :salute
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: Motherland on September 20, 2008, 07:21:28 PM
Tiger vs Sherman is a much more even match up.
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 20, 2008, 07:31:32 PM
Seriously, anyone who thinks the Tiger would be too much hasn't run into a half-decent Sherman driver. :uhoh
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: Dantoo on September 20, 2008, 07:57:06 PM
Would the new T34-85 provide better balance?  It is more like the Panther.  A standard Sherman isn't available to provide an equal pairing with the PzIV.  Maybe it's time to lobby for one?  I don't know how these things work, but changing the gun over to the 75mm from the Firefly might not be a gigantic problem for HTC.

Perhaps they could give us a DD version as well by borrowing some code from the LVT4?  That would be a cool tool.
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: trax1 on September 20, 2008, 09:48:43 PM
Perhaps they could give us a DD version as well by borrowing some code from the LVT4?  That would be a cool tool.
Maybe they could make it so half of them sink too. :D
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: Saxman on September 20, 2008, 09:57:00 PM
We'd need storm surge for that, though. AH's perpetually perfect seas wouldn't allow for that.
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: 68Wooley on September 21, 2008, 04:22:35 AM
The Sherman's borked turret might even things up - assuming it hasn't been patched by then.
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 21, 2008, 09:05:59 AM
Kind strange that this setup has a tank that was not in North Africa, the Firefly, and omits a tank that was there, the Tiger I. :P
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: ghostdancer on September 21, 2008, 09:13:51 AM
After discussing with some CMs who know a lot about GVs going to swap out the Tiger for the Panzer. Tigers were only available in very limited numbers in Tunisia and basically weren't used much do to maintenance issues and that the fact their heavy weight was not suited for the roads and environment.

However, I want to sort of have actual American armor versus German armor. Only choice on the American side is the Sherman VC (not there .. agreed wish we also had the more common place Sherman) and now will match versus the Tiger which should give a more balanced tank battle.
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: Bino on September 21, 2008, 10:02:15 PM
After discussing with some CMs who know a lot about GVs going to swap out the Tiger for the Panzer. Tigers were only available in very limited numbers in Tunisia and basically weren't used much do to maintenance issues and that the fact their heavy weight was not suited for the roads and environment.

However, I want to sort of have actual American armor versus German armor. Only choice on the American side is the Sherman VC (not there .. agreed wish we also had the more common place Sherman) and now will match versus the Tiger which should give a more balanced tank battle.

Meanwhile, over in the Wishlist forum, requests that HTC fill out the plane and vehicle set are met with, "but dude, it'll never see any use in the MA."   

:rolleyes:
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: ghostdancer on September 22, 2008, 07:54:50 AM
Well we have gotten several planes recently that are good for the SEA but not really for the MA. The B25C/D, the P39D, etc. ... so I think HiTech does keep and eye on the SEA and realize tat we are actually pulling a good chunk of numbers. They just have to balance between adding planes that are good for events and additional ones that would be used in the SEA.
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: Fencer51 on September 22, 2008, 10:29:39 AM
Actually didn't we get those two planes because we voted for them?  #1 and #2 in the results of their pole a year and a half ago.

The Firefly,  WW and the T34/85 are the only two additions which were not voted for by Joe Q Public.

Everything else has been 3D Modeling updates.
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: ghostdancer on September 22, 2008, 01:00:09 PM
I know they were on the list .. but HTC is the one created the list to vote on. So they still gave us a mix of planes to express opinions over.
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: ghostdancer on September 22, 2008, 02:32:14 PM
Just a note everyone, I will be traveling to France during this event but will have internet access for the 2nd and 3rd frame. However, with this in mind I might scale back elements of the event.

Right now I am thinking of dropping my plans for a naval element which had Seafires, Martlets, Sea Hurricanes defending a convoy or possibly dropping the GV part of the event. With me traveling during the event it is better that I keep things simpler instead of more complex while traveling and trying to handle things while over seas.

Just wanted to give you a heads up that I might not actually use parts of event that I was initially planning on.
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: ELD66 on September 22, 2008, 04:36:40 PM
613th Is looking forward to it!
 :salute
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: Saxman on September 22, 2008, 05:26:53 PM
I vote for dropping the GVs. My Marines are itching for some CV ops. ;)
Title: Re: FSO - OCT: Tunisia - The Verdun of the Mediterranean
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 22, 2008, 08:59:14 PM
I vote for dropping the GVs. My Marines are itching for some CV ops. ;)

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it until we get some non-perked allied tanks.