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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: thedudee95 on September 20, 2008, 09:01:57 PM
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This people of sick. I dont care about this type of toejam, but this is over the top. BEWARE OF GRAPHIC CONTENT!
http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/iowa_pigfarm_abuse2
PETA was doing a 3 month investigation on the farm and hopefully they hang those squeakes.
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Just stop eating pork!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just stop eating pork!!!!!!!!!!!
no. i love my pork. nom nom nom.
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Bacon is good.
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i have nothing against vegitarieans but those PETA people are impossible, they have sat infront of our nice KFC and protested, one day i was going inside and they started yelling at me saying i am toutering chickens. so in response i made servral accounts on the Peta2 website and ranted about stuff, such as saying chicken is very good and they should be ashamed for insulting Colonels Sanders tasty inventions. :furious
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I have a DVD from warped tour '08 that is outright disgusting. It was made by PETA and featured all bands that supported it, but the intro is outright nasty. just shows pigs getting tortured/beat or even killed, just for the sake of enjoyment.
outright disgusting people.
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I have a DVD from warped tour '08 that is outright disgusting. It was made by PETA and featured all bands that supported it, but the intro is outright nasty. just shows pigs getting tortured/beat or even killed, just for the sake of enjoyment.
outright disgusting people.
true has been told now lets eat some pork nom nom nom nom nom nom.
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PETA stands for what again?
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/pressRelease_detail.cfm/release/109
http://www.thisistrue.com/peta.html
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PETA stands for what again?
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/pressRelease_detail.cfm/release/109
http://www.thisistrue.com/peta.html
The dog pound routinely euthanizes any dogs that couldn't find a home after 1 month of captivity. It's weird this made the news.
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The dog pound routinely euthanizes any dogs that couldn't find a home after 1 month of captivity. It's weird this made the news.
Does the pound also bag them up and dispose of them in dumpsters?
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PETA is a bunch of misguided wackos but if the farm workers did what the appear to have done, they should be prosecuted for animal cruelty and the managers and owners held accountable. There's no excuse for that behavior and in addition to being unnecessarily cruel, it's economically stupid because it reduces growth and feed efficiency.
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PETA is a bunch of misguided wackos but if the farm workers did what the appear to have done, they should be prosecuted for animal cruelty and the managers and owners held accountable. There's no excuse for that behavior and in addition to being unnecessarily cruel, it's economically stupid because it reduces growth and feed efficiency.
you ever try to get a 600 lb hog in a pen? I've pulled cows out of the pond with a chain and pickup because if i didn't they would die. it's just something that has to be done if you have livestock. It's not pretty, but we all like to eat.
some of these hog farms out here have 4000 head of pigs and you don't have the time to turn them into pets. they're food...that's all.
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Try getting a Holstein into a stanchion that it doesn't want to go into. These animals can be very stubborn, but there are schedules that must be adhered to.
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you ever try to get a 600 lb hog in a pen? I've pulled cows out of the pond with a chain and pickup because if i didn't they would die. it's just something that has to be done if you have livestock. It's not pretty, but we all like to eat.
some of these hog farms out here have 4000 head of pigs and you don't have the time to turn them into pets. they're food...that's all.
Did you read the article? I think the "sting" operations that peta does to show cruelty are probably the only sane thing they do.
What good does puncturing a pigs eyeballs with a pin or your fingers do? Or the other stuff mentioned in the article?
I saw one where a beautiful silver/grey coated wolf was skinned alive, and just left there to wimper and die. It was probably the most guesome and cruel video i ever saw. I have a dog, so it really pissed me off.
A job is a job, but shoot the poor thing first. One second of pain, vs torture.
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that video is pretty messed up, throwing baby pigs face first into the ground... How come the company hasn't been shut down yet? I don't see how hard it is to just shoot the pig instead of taking ur time to hurt it as much as possible. plus can't that ruin the meat?
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PETA stands for what again?
People Eating Tasty Animals = PETA (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/eatdrink061.gif)
Seriously.....those people in that video vid are f-heads. One fundamental problem with PETA logic, is that it is a convenience of modern day society. One hundred years ago, you had fewer choices of what, and when you ate, especially if you lived in a rural area. Starvation was just a few missed meals away and I'll tell you if you are really starving, wether you are a PETA member or not, you would eat the rear end out of a dead elephant if you could.
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Did you read the article? I think the "sting" operations that peta does to show cruelty are probably the only sane thing they do.
What good does puncturing a pigs eyeballs with a pin or your fingers do? Or the other stuff mentioned in the article?
I saw one where a beautiful silver/grey coated wolf was skinned alive, and just left there to wimper and die. It was probably the most guesome and cruel video i ever saw. I have a dog, so it really pissed me off.
A job is a job, but shoot the poor thing first. One second of pain, vs torture.
I didn't read the article. I worked in just such a place for about a month. That was all I could take of it. I'm totally against torture and don't condone what the factory hog operations do. But these are the things that happen when they hire mostly kids to care for animals that they've never been around or don't have a financial stake in. I see nothing wrong with poking them with a stick to get them moving or bashing piglets heads on the concrete to kill them. It's quick and besides, how would you kill a animal that needs to be culled from the herd?
I believe you can be compassionate to the animal as well as provide a product that people want. But it has to be done by people that want to do it. Not by people that just need a paycheck.
The folks at PETA are nutjobs and big factory hog lots just help them make their case.
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you ever try to get a 600 lb hog in a pen?
Yes. And I stand by my earlier post -- mistreating the animals this way in addition to being cruel is counterproductive. My uncle raises pigs and if you were to pull that crap in his barn he'd wring your neck.
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Yes, I understand what your saying. But, how many head does your uncle have?. Dealing with 2or3 is one thing. But if you have 20or30 running down at you, you have to move quick or YOU'LL get hurt. I personally think the use of hotshots were allowed. It gives them a quick shock. They work well on cattle and any managable herd animal for that matter.
There I think lies the problem. The big operations are way to big to manage in a humane manner.
Factory farms are hated around here. They pollute ground water, air and the trucks destroy the roads. We just voted to not allow one in our county.
I'd like to see them wiped off the map. But not by PETA. :salute
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There is a hog company that has its home office about 15 minutes from where I live. This company runs gobs of hog farms in iowa. Dont know if they are owned from the same people or not
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PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals :rock :rock :rock
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The worst thing about factory hog farms isn't the treatment of the animals, but the waste that goes into our streams and rivers. It leads to excessive algae blooms and fish kills in the hundreds of millions sometimes.
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Yes, I understand what your saying. But, how many head does your uncle have?. Dealing with 2or3 is one thing. But if you have 20or30 running down at you, you have to move quick or YOU'LL get hurt.
He has a sow finishing farm and runs about 300 sows, finishes 1800 pigs. I'm familiar with swine behavior, and -- for the 3rd time now -- I'm saying there's no excuse for this type of behavior.
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i have nothing against vegitarieans but those PETA people are impossible, they have sat infront of our nice KFC and protested, one day i was going inside and they started yelling at me saying i am toutering chickens.
Man, that's where I draw the line. No chicken is so bad it needs to be toutered.
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If I was penniless and cold and hungry I would use sticks and stones and anything I could get my hands on to smask the brains of an animal to have food but I would never poke it in the eye with a finger to torment it. People that do that are no better then primates but that behaviour is no reason for us to stop eating pork.
Dont know what 'toutered' is but if it comes with seven herbs and spices its food! :D
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I feel bad for those pigs, yes. Especially the ones that were kicked, tortured, or beaten.
But we gotta eat. Kill them if you must, but don't spray toxic paint of their noses...
As for the "morale" of the story that PETA was trying to send out.... I love bacon, and I will continue to eat it. Hot dogs too... (Even though I don't even think those are made out of meat)
Oh and one more thing... Is that really how you kill a pig? By shooting it in the head?
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One of the problems is that organisations like PETA and Greenpeace are no stranges to 'faked' videos where people are paid off to mistreat animals for the camera. So how can you take any of these video's seriously?
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PETA has never stood on reputable science when they can use photoshop and a film editor to gain soccor mommy sympothy.
From:
The Welfare of Pigs During Transport and Slaughter
Temple Grandin
Department of Animal Science
Colorado State University
Fort Collins CO 80523-1171
http://www.grandin.com/references/pig.welfare.during.transport.slaughter.html
Stunning Methods
Electric Stunning
To induce instantaneous insensibility, electrical stunning must induce an epileptic state by passing an electrical current through the pig’s brain (Hoenderken, 1978, 1983; Warrington, 1974; Croft, 1952, Lambooij et al., 1996, and Gregory, 1998). There are two basic types of electrical stunning. Head only where the tongs are placed across the head and cardiac arrest where a current is passed through both the head and heart. Head only stunning is reversible and the pig will return to sensibility unless bled quickly. Cardiac arrest stunning will kill most of the pigs by stopping the heart. For pigs, the amperage that is required to induce epilepsy is 1.25 amps (Hoenderken, 1978-1983). There also must be sufficient voltage to deliver the current. The recommended minimum voltage is 250 volts (Troeger and Woltensdorf, 1989).
To reduce blood splashing (petechial hemorrhages) in the meat, some slaughter plants use high frequency stunning. However, too high of an electrical frequency of 2000 to 3000 hz failed to induce instantaneous insensibility (Warrington, 1974, Croft, 1952, Van derWal, 1978). Fifty cycles which is the regular mains electrical frequency was the most effective (Warrington, 1974). Anil and Mckinstry (1994) found that 1592 hz sine wave or 1642 hz square wave head only stunning at 800 ma induced seizure activity in small pigs. The main disadvantage is that at frequencies above 50 hz return to sensibility will occur more quickly (Anil and McKinstry, 1994). Due to kicking, high frequency head only stunning is not practical unless it is combined with an additional current to stop the heart. Eight hundred hz head only stunning in conjunction with a 50 hz current applied to the body is effective (Berghaus and Troeger, 1998; Lambooij et al., 1996 and Wenzlawowicz et al., 1999). This system is available in commercially built equipment.
Most plants in the U.S. apply a single current passed from the head to the body. It is essential to apply sufficient current to induce both cardiac arrest and an epileptic seizure. The author has observed large sows where sufficient current was applied to induce cardiac arrest but insensibility was not induced. In this situation, the sows had natural spontaneous blinking five seconds after stunning which later disappeared due to cardiac arrest (Grandin, 2001). Raising the amperage to greater than 1.25 amp eliminated blinking in sows. The blink looked like the blink of an unstunned pig and it was not rapid nystagmus.
Electrodes must be placed in the correct position to put the brain in the current path (Croft, 1952; Warington, 1974; Anil and McKinstry, 1998). Placing the electrodes too far back on the neck will result in a shorter period of insensibility (Velarde et al, 2000). Grandin (2001a) observed that placing the head electrode of a cardiac arrest stunner too far back on the neck resulted in blinking pigs. Placing the electrode in the hollow behind the ear eliminated the eye reflexes.
Electronic systems are now available to control amperage surges that cause petechial hemorrhages and monitor how well the operator applies the stunning tongs. Gregory (2001) monitored the electrical tracings of stuns to detect problems such as poor initial contact with the animal or interrupted stuns. He concluded that animal welfare problems occurred in about 9% of the stuns. Ross (2002) has developed an electronic microprocessor system that controls waveform, frequency and stun time. This computerized system also records operator errors that would compromise pig welfare such as interrupted stuns and energizing the electrode before it is in full contact with the pig. Unpublished data collected from these computers indicate that stunner operator errors due to fatigue greatly increase after 2 hours. Premature energizing of the electrode will cause squealing. Squealing is correlated with physiological indicators of stress (Warriss et al., 1994). White et al. (1995) reports that squealing is associated with discomfort.
Grandin (2001a) has found that problems with return to sensibility after electrical stunning can be easily corrected. The most common causes of problems with return to sensibility were wrong position of the tongs and poor bleeding technique (Grandin 2001a). Improving the ergonomic design of the head to back cardiac current stunning tongs or the employee’s work station, eliminated problems with return to sensibility.
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Being a farmer,I know my odds and ends about meat production. It leads to me not having any special interest in pig or chicken, and going organic.
My info is from the job by the way. Warning, graphic text....
I had a PETA person on the farm. No problem at all,- on the contrary one of the best employees ever.
Now if you want to go deeper into the business of pigs, it's all about money. And the standard exercize for the production is enough to shock anyone not used to it.
You will for instance have piglets on racks, so they crap on top of the lower ones. Space savings is better economically than the increased death and disease rate.
A pig will never go outside. Nor will a chicken.
The chicken are grown in big lots and normally are on medication all their lives save the last week, (cleanout) where they die by some impressive numbers.
The slaughter is also interesting. BTW, many years ago, in Denmark, they gassed pigs with CO, which is not that bad, since they completely pass out. Where I live, all big stock is shot with a bolt though.
The chicken are hung upwards on a conveyer by the legs which leads them into the knife, choppie choppie,as fastas you can.
Not sure if I want to go into the egg business, but I pretty much like the idea of animals in meadows and seeing the sun.
Building a chicken hut as I write,as well as having a cow for the home, beef for the home, potatoes from the back yard and when I buy pork,I buy it from a guy who handles the pigs in very much a friendlier way.
Say all you like, but I think the most of you would have second thoughts after a good trip to an intensive meat production plant....
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PETA is petitioning for the COMPLETE ABOLITION OF ANIMAL SLAVERY. That means that they want even your pet Dog to be freed into the wild, never to be tortured by you ever again.
These people are so crazy, that they have no qualms with manufacturing evidence in their favor.
Until some other group NOT filled with complete whack jobs comes out and says that these pigs are being poorly treated, I won't believe a word of it.
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I used the email thingy on the peta site to tell hormel they should sue peta for slander and got this in response-
A video was released the evening of September 16, 2008 that showed
images
from a hog farm in Iowa. It is important to note that the farm in the
video
is not a Hormel Foods' farm and the people are not Hormel Foods'
employees.
We find the images in this video appalling and they are inconsistent
with
our standards and industry standards for animal handling.
The abuse on the video depicted practices that are completely
unacceptable.
We expect all current suppliers to adhere to the proper animal handling
standards from day one and continue to do so throughout our
relationship.
We are working with our supplier to ensure this activity is no longer
taking place, and they are investigating this matter and will take
appropriate disciplinary actions, including terminating employees.
Underscoring our company's zero tolerance policy, we have in the past
terminated employees, truckers and contracts with producers when animal
welfare issues have arisen.
Animal welfare and animal husbandry have always been top priority at
Hormel
Foods. This is simply about treating animals humanely because it's the
right thing to do. We take our zero tolerance policy for the inhumane
treatment of animals very seriously and have implemented many standards
outlined in our responsibility report :
http://www.hormelfoods.com/responsibility/process/animalWelfare.aspx.
Rochelle Kroc
Manager Of Consumer Response