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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: toonces3 on September 20, 2008, 11:44:35 PM
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Ok, I promise, this isn't going to be an insult thread on how nobody can fly the P-38 in the MA's! ;)
But truthfully, why, when in the hangar, does anyone in their right mind pick this deathtrap as their ride of choice for the night?
From my limited knowledge on the subject, the P-38 seems to have been an excellent fighter in WW2 in reality. If anyone takes the time to knickname your plane the "forked-tailed devil" as opposed to "perk granting deathtrap" then I have to think that it has redeeming qualities to endear it to it's pilots, and anger it's opponents.
My experiences in the P-38 in the MA are decidedly negative. I have had very, very limited success in the Late War arenas. I would guess that most of my kills were against n00bs, or I caught someone napping, or had a flash of brilliance at just the right moment, and happened to do just the right thing at the right time, and lucked into a kill. Skilled kills? I think not.
Conversely, I haven't been shot down by alot of P-38's...but I've fought a number to a draw, or evaded/ran/etc several over the last year.
My overwhelming feeling in the P-38 is why in the world does anyone take this beast out of the barn with a hangar full of planes to fly instead? Horrible views, just horrible. And the plane is just big- even I can hit one. And the plane compresses horribly, making even the 109 compression seem tame in comparison. The nose cannon only has 150 rounds; I'm barely finding my range and lead at 150! The plane has great range, but isn't quick; it can turn but not, like, uber, and has a limited bag of tricks on the horrible defensive.
Yet, despite all this, it has a somewhat rabid following in this game. I'd compare it to the 109 following- almost cult-like in some ways. Heck, Corkyjr is stuck in the P-38G everytime I run into him...how can you see and shoot anything through that freaking aquarium glass in the front view?!
Just curious what makes this plane so popular in the MA, especially the LW MA. All I do is give perks away in it.
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It is all the pilot. Soulyss and/or Corky ALWAYS wax me. Of course, I'm not good, but still....It is the pilot. And they more often than not will fly the G model.
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There's a lot of history in the P38 and the 109. Not everybody flies planes based on their performance ;)
On top of that, in both the case of the 109 and the P38, I'd say they're just fun, challenging planes to fly. They're not Spitfires but once you've spent some time in them you can make them dance like one.
That being said, usually 38's are easy kills, as it seems most of the time I meet one the pilot is simply using it as an ordinance hauler. But if I see someone flying one like he knows what he's doing, he becomes my prime threat and I watch him like a hawk.
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It sounds like you haven't talked or seen the right people about the 38. If you have the time, look up "Murdr" in the TA, or almost any of the 80th excluding myself, I suck.
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I love the 38 man. It's little ammo package will make me happy enough to HO an A20. It turns well, it climbs great, holds lots of fuel and ord. and if you lose an engine, you can still make it back.
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I feel that if you dedicate to flying the 38 you can pretty much handle any and every situation. I've seen that plane do amazing things in the right hands. I can't even auger it properly, but I have much respect for the pilots that can fly it to it's potential.
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The 38 is great fun, I like to take one out every now and I usually have a blast in it. They do take some skill to fly, though. Even in 190A5s I fair pretty well against them in dogfights. Even the 190 D turns well enough to make life hard for a 38 driver.
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Their are a lot of really good 38 sticks.Hitlear called em the fork tailed devil because they where so hard to shoot down.
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From what I understand, you can make those 38's do magical things if you have dual throttles.
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Counter-rotating propellers, nose-mounted armament, typical American zoom climb and flaps to play with. Count your lucky stars it can't stand a high-speed dive.
Honestly, the combination of torqueless operations and nose-mounted firepower seems so attractive, I don't see why it wasn't tried more in WWII fighters. Imagine if you will, if one built an airplane that had a power-loading along the lines of a late-model 109, only with *no* torque to contend with. The vertical performance would be insane.
Ok, I promise, this isn't going to be an insult thread on how nobody can fly the P-38 in the MA's! ;)
But truthfully, why, when in the hangar, does anyone in their right mind pick this deathtrap as their ride of choice for the night?
From my limited knowledge on the subject, the P-38 seems to have been an excellent fighter in WW2 in reality. If anyone takes the time to knickname your plane the "forked-tailed devil" as opposed to "perk granting deathtrap" then I have to think that it has redeeming qualities to endear it to it's pilots, and anger it's opponents.
My experiences in the P-38 in the MA are decidedly negative. I have had very, very limited success in the Late War arenas. I would guess that most of my kills were against n00bs, or I caught someone napping, or had a flash of brilliance at just the right moment, and happened to do just the right thing at the right time, and lucked into a kill. Skilled kills? I think not.
Conversely, I haven't been shot down by alot of P-38's...but I've fought a number to a draw, or evaded/ran/etc several over the last year.
My overwhelming feeling in the P-38 is why in the world does anyone take this beast out of the barn with a hangar full of planes to fly instead? Horrible views, just horrible. And the plane is just big- even I can hit one. And the plane compresses horribly, making even the 109 compression seem tame in comparison. The nose cannon only has 150 rounds; I'm barely finding my range and lead at 150! The plane has great range, but isn't quick; it can turn but not, like, uber, and has a limited bag of tricks on the horrible defensive.
Yet, despite all this, it has a somewhat rabid following in this game. I'd compare it to the 109 following- almost cult-like in some ways. Heck, Corkyjr is stuck in the P-38G everytime I run into him...how can you see and shoot anything through that freaking aquarium glass in the front view?!
Just curious what makes this plane so popular in the MA, especially the LW MA. All I do is give perks away in it.
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<snip> Even in 190A5s fair pretty well against them in dogfights. Even the 190 D turns well enough to make life hard for a 38 driver.
Not really sir, the P-38 of any model, or, as someone pointed out... the seemingly "B-38", can put up TnB fights with almost any of the planeset.
It's all about knowing throttle, rudder, and flap control.
For example, earlier today (although... it was the DA) had a spixteen catch me on his 6, so he breaks 90 degrees left, and locks the stick back, I was flying the L model, hit the dive flaps, 50% throttle, 75% flaps, and I was able to pull lead on him almost instantaniously...
It's all about knowing how to react in "x" situation.
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Not really sir, the P-38 of any model, or, as someone pointed out... the seemingly "B-38", can put up TnB fights with almost any of the planeset.
It's all about knowing throttle, rudder, and flap control.
For example, earlier today (although... it was the DA) had a spixteen catch me on his 6, so he breaks 90 degrees left, and locks the stick back, I was flying the L model, hit the dive flaps, 50% throttle, 75% flaps, and I was able to pull lead on him almost instantaniously...
It's all about knowing how to react in "x" situation.
then lets do this, you get in a p38 of your choice i get in a 190a5 or even a dora, and well see who comes out on top?
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To be honest, I find the 109's torque to be helpful in a fight. At extremely low speeds on the vertical it really aids in snapping back around for a diving attack. I get a large portion of my kills that way and having that torque really cuts down on the wallowing some other aircraft exhibit at that sort of AoA.
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The thing is a good P38 stick can have torque if they want it... with dual throttles. I spent most of a tour flying the P38 and it was real hard at first, but I learned to respect it before the end. It does a lot of things real well and unlike some other "uber" planes there's a lot to learn to make you even deadlier if you stay in it.
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then lets do this, you get in a p38 of your choice i get in a 190a5 or even a dora, and well see who comes out on top?
co-alt?
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I think you miss an essential point in why folks like myself fly the 38. There is a ton of history behind it and it's not the flavor of the month MA type bird where a guy with 10 minutes of the history channel thinks he knows the story.
There is the challenge of taking it into the crowd and making it work. It isn't just a strap it on and fly it bird. You need to stick with it to make it work best.
And generally my experience in both Airwarrior and here, is that the 38 guys are a good bunch of people and a good bunch of sticks, with often times a like-minded approach to the game.
It isn't about ammo loads, uber performance, and dominating. It's about flying it well, getting the best out of a good bird, having some fun with the other 38 sticks and minimizing parts loss for the return flight if any.
And anyone calling the 38 a deathtrap, certainly doesn't know how to use the 38 in Aces High.
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Flew the 38 for the majority of a tour - nice bird, great guns - for me, this is a fun plane to fly. You dont have to go looking for a fight in it - the fight comes to you. For some odd reason, every time a 38 is seen, its called out and then everyone seems to pile onto it.
What I learned (apart from I suck as a fighter pilot (before anyone else points it out :D)) - Lots of throttle, flap and rudder work - and I mean lots - get the flaps out was my maxim (although as in any plane, you have to be careful not to lose too much e). Dont get into stall fighting too early - keep your e up and make your opponent lose his (as in any dogfight).
All this could of course be completely wrong, but thats how I see the 38. Great fun to fly, fight and die in.
(oh, for anyone interested - ended that tour with a puny 38 kills in it - but - I had to work for the majority of those)
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Wurzel
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Be glad for the 38. Imagine if some of those good 38 sticks flew more competitive planes.
I think it's a great looking plane with a fantastic history. This is reason enough to fly it, IMHO. I fly the pony for the same reasons.. well that and my Dad was always fascinated with them. :aok
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Its fast, it turns well, it climbs well, and it has good armament, lots of ammo too. The views are fine, you just customize them a bit. Whats not to like? I have not taken one up in awhile but they are a fine ride. I think like anything you have to spend the time to get the most out of it. Almost every fighter in the set has dedicated sticks that can do very well in them.
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Ya angels co alt
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As ive seen posted in this thread, and Chuck Yeager said "its not the plane, its the pilot". and really, it holds true for the 38. Flown right it is a buety, the 4 .50's in the nose are fun, lots of ammo, when they hit they are so concentrated, they seem like a jug is tearin em apart :rockI use to fly them because they are challenging, fun, but also good perk farmers. As far as your cannon goes, dont be spraying that thing like the .50's, know the lead then take short little bursts (i do like 5 rounds at most, that still gives you30 bursts from start, 29 after the first, enough to drop a plane.)and on a good day ive droped 5 with just the .50's. Im not saying the P38 is for everyone, and im not a diehard 38 dweeb, but she is a beutiful bird to fly when you start finding out tricks about her.
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For example, earlier today (although... it was the DA) had a spixteen catch me on his 6, so he breaks 90 degrees left, and locks the stick back, I was flying the L model, hit the dive flaps, 50% throttle, 75% flaps, and I was able to pull lead on him almost instantaniously...
I could believe that ... if you were 1.5K behind him.
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The 38 just "feels" like a plane to me. I like it alot. It and the mustangs, are my favorite rides. If and when I master the pony I'll fly the 38 all the time.
I watch 38s like hawks in the MA because they'll lull you into thinking that "this guy is no problem", and before you know it you're in the tower reading Lazer,Pawz,Murdr,Silat......shot you down. Pawz and Lazer both have killed me quickly when I have All the advantage....except one....skill.
Imo, the good 38 sticks are masters at making you make a mistake and sizing up what the enemys plane can and can't do. These gentlemen have been flying those things for years. You have arrived when you fly a 38 well. The ones I've talked to are always good sports and enjoy a good fight win or lose.
A P38 pilot is what I'll be when I grow up :D :rock
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Lazer sucks, everyone knows this. He doesn't even know how to use a joystick. Frikkin' mouse dweeb.
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150 cannon rounds is plenty, especially when coupled with 38 seconds of 4x.50cal ammunition, also in the nose! The extra engine can also get you home in a pinch when you'd otherwise be treading water or eating tree bark.
I agree with others who advise more practice. It won't make perfect, but you probably have to spend many months in the 38 to get comfortable in it.
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1v1, it's a big target and a challenging bird to fly... Two decently-flown P-38's showing up with a few k above a cloud of red, however, will not be shot down unless they want to be.
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There is a ton of history behind it and it's not the flavor of the month MA type bird where a guy with 10 minutes of the history channel thinks he knows the story.
What, we're gloating just because "Dogfights" got canceled before they could do a P-38 episode? ;) More is the pity, IMHO. :cry But I guess they had to make room for more shows about being a blue-collar worker in Alaska :furious
It isn't about ammo loads, uber performance, and dominating. It's about flying it well, getting the best out of a good bird, having some fun with the other 38 sticks and minimizing parts loss for the return flight if any.
And anyone calling the 38 a deathtrap, certainly doesn't know how to use the 38 in Aces High.
Right on. And I don't think it as quite as good as it "should" be in this simulation, as is the trend with er, um "silver" planes. :noid
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1v1, it's a big target and a challenging bird to fly... Two decently-flown P-38's showing up with a few k above a cloud of red, however, will not be shot down unless they want to be.
Ganging! Picking! Oh my! :D
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I know I suck, dont rub it in golf dweeb.
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And anyone calling the 38 a deathtrap, certainly doesn't know how to use the 38 in Aces High.
So...... you're just saying WE don't know how to use it? :)
On a slightly more serious note, what attracted me to the 38 was what has governed just about everything I do in this silly little game, and that's the history. I just loved reading about the exploits of the P-38 squadrons in the pacific, that and there seem to be a romanticism surrounding this big twin engined beast.
I also say for people who have trouble flying it, you just have to dive in so-to-speak. I started flying the P-38 probably a couple years ago now and quickly signed up with the old (original?) 475th squad here and I did nothing but get blown out of the sky for a good 2-3 weeks, this was very hard for me to take. I'm not an expert by ANY means, there's a long line of distinguished cartoon fighter pilots that can whoop me any and every day of the week. But I do have a certain degree of success in the MA's, to get just beat down like that for a good portion of the tour was difficult, it took me that long to adapt to the 38 and learn a new set of rules to fight by. It is a quite capable airframe, good speed, good climb, good maneuverability, great firepower. I think it just takes a slightly different approach than a lot of the other MA fighters.
One last thing, while it's certainly true that in planform it is a large target, it's pretty amazing how small that target shrinks if the 38 rolls ninety degrees so you're looking down the wing at it.
Like I said I'm not a great pilot, but if anyone wants to fly the 38 and you see me in the MA's give me a holler and we'll go see if we can't find some trouble. Keep in mind I'll probably just get us killed, but it'll be a hoot. :)
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Soulyss, I'll take you up on that at some stage - not worried about dying lol........
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Wurzel
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One last thing, while it's certainly true that in planform it is a large target, it's pretty amazing how small that target shrinks if the 38 rolls ninety degrees so you're looking down the wing at it.
Too true. I've seen a lot of the good 38 pilots roll expertly to give the smallest possible target when appropriate.
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Freez I will take you up on the 190A5/Dora fights whenever you have the time, sounds fun.
edit: no clue where I got batfink from.
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I read somewhere that a P38 had less overall visible target area than a pony. in the profile views, the P38 was smaller and thinner.
Is this true?
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Mensa the guantlet has been thrown
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I always said that the 38 was a large target. Yes some can fly it but with me around that person needed major e and a couple friends.
After a couple years I kinda found out why people fly the 38. I think some fly it for fun and others like to have a excuse to die.
Can't tell you the amount of pm I got from dead 38 pilots telling me that I can't fly and to get out off my 16.
If you don't have alt in a 38 you were a big meat ball for me.
As always a vet is a vet in all planes and they can kill. So some of the older 38 drivers you can't make a mistake.
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I suck.
Too true. :P
I fly the 38 because it's one of the few planes im actually good in. In the right hands it's one of the, if not the most deadly plane in the game.
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I think the problem is people try to fly the 38 like every other plane. this is pretty much impossible you cannot expect to tnb with a spit fore to long befor you quicly lose all advanage and need get away. the 38 has great pros and cons. flying the plane correctly is done the same way you fly all planes correctly. controlling the fight and make a enemy fight in your strong area and not his. basicly the p38 is a boom and zoomer. a 38 above you is a seriouse threat because if they fly it right they pretty much can play with you all day and you cant get up to them. however a p38 survivability is not that great when it is below enemies.
also i think one of the factors that hurts a p38 is people target fixate on it when they see it because they assume its a easy kill. therefore that 38 may have 4 planes attacking it at once while his freinds in the 190s and 109s are not even engaged and have time to get in behind the 4 tarts that all engaged the same plane. I am a corsair pilot and when i do take out a p38 if i have a good wingman i generally do pretty good.
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Ahh, but it's so much more fun to fly below the baduns and play with em on the deck :)
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I always said that the 38 was a large target. Yes some can fly it but with me around that person needed major e and a couple friends.
After a couple years I kinda found out why people fly the 38. I think some fly it for fun and others like to have a excuse to die.
Can't tell you the amount of pm I got from dead 38 pilots telling me that I can't fly and to get out off my 16.
If you don't have alt in a 38 you were a big meat ball for me.
As always a vet is a vet in all planes and they can kill. So some of the older 38 drivers you can't make a mistake.
Wasn't this hashed out before? ANYBODY can fly a spit and do well in it, but only very good cartoon pilots can do well in the 38 :D
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then lets do this, you get in a p38 of your choice i get in a 190a5 or even a dora, and well see who comes out on top?
Can I play too or is your challenge just for the less experienced sticks?
ack-ack
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I always said that the 38 was a large target. Yes some can fly it but with me around that person needed major e and a couple friends.
After a couple years I kinda found out why people fly the 38. I think some fly it for fun and others like to have a excuse to die.
Can't tell you the amount of pm I got from dead 38 pilots telling me that I can't fly and to get out off my 16.
If you don't have alt in a 38 you were a big meat ball for me.
As always a vet is a vet in all planes and they can kill. So some of the older 38 drivers you can't make a mistake.
Tooting your own horn and proclaiming your "greatness"!! :rofl Gotta love it...
Allow me to correct you on a few points... First of all, your assumptions on why people fly 38's is completely incorrect.. You have seemingly decided to forgo acknowledging that those of us who fly 38's consistently due so out of need for a challenge, historical admiration/nostolgia, and similar viewpoints on the game itself.. I think you will find that those who PM you are not really 38 sticks(I doubt you get that many PM's honestly), but someone who just happened to take one up for a ride.. As far as an excuse to "die": that's absurd.. I don't think anyone playing, Nooby or not, wants to have an excuse to "die"..That's like saying, "Well, I suck....But if I get shot down in so and so plane, I won't look as bad.." Preposterous..:)
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Guess you have never had a run in with me.
Their are many ah gods that play this game and fly the 38. I have never been a fan of the 38 but I have had many hours in it. Playing ava and many koth rounds made me sick to fly the 38. I guess my flying habits don't blend well with the fork tail devil.
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Guess you have never had a run in with me.
Their are many ah gods that play this game and fly the 38. I have never been a fan of the 38 but I have had many hours in it. Playing ava and many koth rounds made me sick to fly the 38. I guess my flying habits don't blend well with the fork tail devil.
I have never ever PM'd you to tell you that you are a Spit 16 dweeb! And you've killed my 38G many..many..many times :furious
Always trying to pigeonhole us 38 drivers FX, for shame! :)
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One word: "Sexy". Have you actually :O ed at this thing?? How could you not fly it? You know you want to...
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I have never ever PM'd you to tell you that you are a Spit 16 dweeb! And you've killed my 38G many..many..many times :furious
Always trying to pigeonhole us 38 drivers FX, for shame! :)
Corky your were my favorite fight in the 38....
I remember back in AvA when we were going toe to toe in the 38G. Many great fights and i never had to climb over 5k to fight ya :aok
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I think the problem is people try to fly the 38 like every other plane. this is pretty much impossible you cannot expect to tnb with a spit fore to long befor you quicly lose all advanage and need get away. the 38 has great pros and cons. flying the plane correctly is done the same way you fly all planes correctly. controlling the fight and make a enemy fight in your strong area and not his. basicly the p38 is a boom and zoomer. a 38 above you is a seriouse threat because if they fly it right they pretty much can play with you all day and you cant get up to them. however a p38 survivability is not that great when it is below enemies.
The above is an example of someone talking about the P-38 that has very little experience in flying and fighting in the Lightning.
ack-ack
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Yea because it can turn with the best of them with the right stick,and it is not the best for boom and zooming because of its fast compression rate......I'm not a 38 stick eather but this is what i have learned from flying it so far.
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Im almost speechless on this one. All i have to say about that is that the P38 L/J/G is probably one of the best planes in the game IMHO. You my friend simply do not know how to fly it. It can be hard to learn but once learned u can dominate the skies.
*2 Cents* :aok
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Im almost speechless on this one. All i have to say about that is that the P38 L/J/G is probably one of the best planes in the game IMHO. You my friend simply do not know how to fly it. It can be hard to learn but once learned u can dominate the skies.
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P-38 is IMHO the best fighter in the game! Mind you I'm no good in it but it can do things that single engine aircraft absolutely cannot phisically perform, putting it in a category all its own!! Now the 38 absolutely requires a higher level of expererience and more stick time to use it well, but once the skills are learned it is the BEST plane out there!! Those who have the skills and experience, and choose to use it as there main ride are just as DWEEBY as anyone flyin an LA7! Those who use it just don't want most others to realize how dweebish they are :rofl :rofl I'm ready now bring on the heat ! :D
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The above is an example of someone talking about the P-38 that has very little experience in flying and fighting in the Lightning.
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Hmmm according to USAAC doctrine of the time the P-38 driver in the attack was to try and "pull lead" for his shot after losing this ability he was to dive away extend and then climb back to alt before resuming any attack. This was for the PAC where they were fighting zekes of course, and it was felt the 38 could NOT dog fight with the zeke.
BTW for those that don't know USAAC is U. S. Army Air Corps.
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Hmmm according to USAAC doctrine of the time the P-38 driver in the attack was to try and "pull lead" for his shot after losing this ability he was to dive away extend and then climb back to alt before resuming any attack. This was for the PAC where they were fighting zekes of course, and it was felt the 38 could NOT dog fight with the zeke.
BTW for those that don't know USAAC is U. S. Army Air Corps.
I'm not going to sit here and argue with two people that have very little experience (if any at all) in flying and fighting the Lightning in AH. As I pointed out in my original reply, the poster I quoted has no clue as to what the P-38 can and can't do in AH. Please show me where I am incorrect about what a P-38 is capable of in game.
BTW- For those that don't know...the USAAC was changed to the USAAF (United States Army Airforce) in 1941.
ack-ack
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I flew the P-38 exclusively for a couple of tours a while back. I did decently in it, but it took a while to do so -- I had to get used to the compression. It's a decent plane in AH -- not really horrible at any particular thing, but not best at any particular thing (in my opinion, anyway -- and that's in AH, not in real life that I'm talking about). I don't consider the cannon ammo load all that important -- the 4 50's all concentrated in the nose seem plenty lethal, and you have lots and lots of that ammo.
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The P-38 is a great airplane. Without question the best 20 eny + one we have.
There are some other really good ones. Like the Yak and P-39. But none can match what the 38 is capable of. A flight going in heavy can shut down any airbase on the map and still have the legs to hang around a long time.
Really a pity we dont have more high Alt P-38 missions.
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Really a pity we dont have more high Alt P-38 missions.
Because the usual MA fights are lower than that and most won't know how to handle the P-38 at those altitudes.
ack-ack
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The P-38 is a great airplane. Without question the best 20 eny + one we have.
There are some other really good ones. Like the Yak and P-39. But none can match what the 38 is capable of. A flight going in heavy can shut down any airbase on the map and still have the legs to hang around a long time.
Really a pity we dont have more high Alt P-38 missions.
Shoulda been around when we were escorting 17s and 24s during DGS, 32K full fuel and DTs. Long flights and fights.
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Shoulda been around when we were escorting 17s and 24s during DGS, 32K full fuel and DTs. Long flights and fights.
I was sort of (I was a B-17 pilot). Indeed -- I agree with you. I'm speaking mainly of the Main Arena, where the P-38, while a decent airplane, doesn't have some of its strengths come into play.
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Why the P-38?
Why not the P-38? ;)
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FX1, I understand why you dont like the 38, you actually have to work to do what a rock could do in a spit16. Sorry, I think I would spank you in a bad way coalt 38 vs spit16. If I was to actually hop into a spit16, it would take half the turns to accomplish the same task. :rolleyes:
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That's why you see most good vets in the 38 at 15k. The more i think about it the 38 is just not my cup of tea. What i look for in a plane is the ability to start a fight when my gears goes up.
I play more in the defencive # con's game and that not one of the 38 best roles.
Does make for a nice jabo plane..
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But you DON'T see most good 38 pilots at 15K or above. I find most at 10K or below, often maxed out at 5K even. Most good 38 pilots are down where the fight is, spoiling for a fight. Cruising in at 10K, I'm above most of them.
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What, we're gloating just because "Dogfights" got canceled before they could do a P-38 episode? ;) More is the pity, IMHO. :cry But I guess they had to make room for more shows about being a blue-collar worker in Alaska :furious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRLk9b9AcY
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRLk9b9AcY
Is this from the episode about Robin Olds? Close but no cigar, was not SPECIFICALLY about the Lightning. :) We hit Mustang, Thunderbolt, Hellcat, but alas the Lightning and the Corsair didn't get a show of their own in time. Seriously, I can't believe that "Dogfights" got canceled. It had to be attracting as many viewers as "Sheep-Buggering in the Alaskan Back Country" or whatever, and actually belongs on the History Channel, as opposed to "Dinosaurs Bite Each Other" (which belongs on the Discovery channel) and "Quest for Monsters Drunken Rednecks Hallucinate" (which belongs on the Sci-Fi channel.)
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That's why you see most good vets in the 38 at 15k.
FX1 I would love to know which good Vets you are talking about. While I'm terrible in the 38 I do get to fly with alot of them. Rarely do I ever see them above 10k and then its only to get close to the alt monkeys. Most times they around 8k and below
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Sorry kinda going to the extreme exaggeration. Everything over 5k kinda blended together..
Akak knew the strength of the 38 and flew higher and out side the fight. I didn't see akak all the time because we played at different time zones but when we had fights he was always higher. He flew the 38 about the best i have ever fought in the main arena.
Its a great ride for some people just not me...
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What exactly would be wrong with a vet being at 15K in a P-38? The plane's performance gets better relative many/most other common MA aircraft the higher one gets, it IS an E fighter compared to a lot of what is maundering about on the deck, and its not like the sky is empty at 10-15K.
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Kinda the same fighting style as other high alt Planes.
My interpretation of the 3 styles of fighter role in main.
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Yeah all the best 38 pilots I've ran into have been under the 10K mark. That aircraft can sucker you in so badly when flown well even low, hiding E, climbing up doing a vertical turn and ripping you apart before you can say Shizballs.
Delirium, Paws, 8spade, Fugitive, Mensa, CorkyJr. ....all sick sick pilots in that thing. ( all ankle humping aside these guys kick serious bellybutton ) Fortunately I can hide behind AKAK as he usually flys knights and all those red guys find his 38 so pretty.
This is a plane that I would like to get down someday, the only mastery I have of it is in that old Arcade game 1942 :)
Mucho respect SAPPERS
:salute
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Does make for a nice jabo plane..
He didnt say it....no you did not say that....what a wasteful use for a 38... :furious :mad:
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The U.S. Army Air Corps still existed after 1941 as a combat command and therefore did give instruction to combat pilots <sheez>
The info I quoted on the 38's tactics in the PAC are a matter of record, as for AH ACK-ACK has no idea of what my experience is and to say different means little to me or him.
Flying any of these birds in AH is subjective to say the least, guys who can control each engine seperately can turn a P-38 better than those that can't etc etc etc. I am not saying the P-38 is a bad ride I am saying that real life tactics are avialable to read and use in AH if one chooses to do so.
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guys who can control each engine seperately can turn a P-38 better than those that can't etc etc etc. I am not saying the P-38 is a bad ride I am saying that real life tactics are avialable to read and use in AH if one chooses to do so.
That is false... I have a dual throttle and except at the top of a hammerhead or recovering a spin, 2 individual throttle control grants you no better turn rate or radius.
From time to time (if I am very slow) I can use rudder in one direction and cut the throttle on that side for close to a 90 degree snapshot. That is usually followed by the P38 departing on me and I usually reserve for a last ditch effort.
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Any of you 38 sticks consider getting a yoke setup vice the fighterstick-type setup to enhance realism?
I find it interesting that alot of the guys that fly it alot do so more for the history than its in-game performance...not that its in-game performance is bad by any means.
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Any of you 38 sticks consider getting a yoke setup vice the fighterstick-type setup to enhance realism?
I've worked on obtaining either a laser scan of a P38 yoke, or buying a yoke that is similar in look and feel to gut it and add yoke components to it. This project hasn't been completed, the laser scan/mold was too expensive and I haven't found a yoke that has been close enough to the original P38 yoke to be worth modding.
Here is the link to the throttle thread;
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,237834.0.html
Here is the link to the yoke thread;
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,240581.0.html
If anyone has seen a yoke similar to a P38 yoke, or has any ideas, I still want to finish that project.
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I was thinking about that the other day, and CH has a yoke and separate throttle I'd like to try. I know it's not orginial but would still be fun I think. :salute
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P-38 carries a nice bomb and rocket package plus the centerline guns/canon. If you like the air-to-ground side of the game, it brings some firepower to that front (oh to pop GVs ) while some decent gunnery to battle the aircraft.
How some of the 38 sticks fly the thing amazed me.
It also has a great internal fuel load for long loiter times.
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But you DON'T see most good 38 pilots at 15K or above. I find most at 10K or below, often maxed out at 5K even. Most good 38 pilots are down where the fight is, spoiling for a fight. Cruising in at 10K, I'm above most of them.
To me 10k is "High Alt". Thats precisely where I begin my dive bomb, between 12k and 10k. The other night I took KI-67s up to 19k to bomb and airfield that was 6k up. It was a large field and I knew I night need 3 passes to shut it down as a bomber base. I bet thats the Highest Ive ever been in this game, except for squadron Strat formation runs.
There aint nothing up their but clouds in the MAs.
I love the P-38 so much it kinda makes me emotional.
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That is false... I have a dual throttle and except at the top of a hammerhead or recovering a spin, 2 individual throttle control grants you no better turn rate or radius.
From time to time (if I am very slow) I can use rudder in one direction and cut the throttle on that side for close to a 90 degree snapshot. That is usually followed by the P38 departing on me and I usually reserve for a last ditch effort.
Yeah! but cutting one engine to flat turn wings level to the ground then throwing some vertical in, is impossible for a single engine ride to follow! Face it ! the 38 when flown by an experienced and skilled pilot is waaaaaaaaaaay better than the same experience and skill level, flying a single engine ride ! IMO :rock
Now it is a barn door that attracts allot of attention!! I'll give ya that! ;)
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I've had a first realy good experince with a P38 the other day. I began a sortie in a 38 like always, little more alt then the cons, so on. I get a spixteen and to find only, I've wasted half my bullets. the next 5 kills seem to be realy short burst, and awsome snapshots. I finally look down to see that I still have 50 cannon rounds left! I decided that because of the increasing cons that I'll rtb.
The fact is, the guns are some of the best guns in the game, next to somthing like a Mossie or a Chog.