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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 2Slow on September 21, 2008, 07:40:31 PM
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CHANGE CHICAGO STYLE?
Body count. In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago , 221 killed in Iraq.
Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin,
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.,
Gov. Rod Blogojevich,
House leader Mike Madigan,
Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of former Mayor Richard J. Daley).....the leadership in Illinois .....all Democrats.
Chicago is a combat zone. Of course they're all blaming each other.
Can't blame Republicans, there aren't any!
State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country. Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look'em up if you want). Chicago school system one of the worst in country. This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois .
He's gonna 'fix' Washington politics?
:rofl
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I visited Chicago a couple of times in the '80s and thought it was one big crapper then... I can only imagine what it is like now.
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CHANGE CHICAGO STYLE?
Body count. In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago , 221 killed in Iraq.
Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin,
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.,
Gov. Rod Blogojevich,
House leader Mike Madigan,
Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of former Mayor Richard J. Daley).....the leadership in Illinois .....all Democrats.
Chicago is a combat zone. Of course they're all blaming each other.
State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country. Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look'em up if you want). Chicago school system one of the worst in country. This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois .
He's gonna 'fix' Washington politics?
:rofl
Umm, no he started not accepting the same ol game. Refer to the guy he beat out.
OTOH
What makes your candidates more able to do so?
I'm sure it's not the fact that he stated himself, "I don't know much about economics", when it happens to be top on the list.
Nor that the very people he says he's going to clean up,...he's actually top of the pack, so I guess he's going to clean himself up? I can see it now as he looks in the bathroom mirror "You!!,..I'm going to clean you up. <shakes fist>"
You know, that board that over saw the economic situations, that your guy was on,..well by golly deregulation should do it,....it sure did. Isn't that also what he said recently, in the same era he said the economy is strong? Um this colapse didn't happen over night. But if you listened to Bush and McCain a couple weeks ago,...everything is just fine. <snork!>
He was over seeing the economy (someone who claims to not know much about economy) at a point in time when all the decisions that caused this mess were made, or red flags ignored. Then again I guess he's right, he doesn't know much about economy, that explains it. :)
But suddenly,.. he now claims to have all the answers to our economic catastrophe (which his deregulation and lack of over sight caused),.....before all the facts are even in too,... brilliant I tell you, brilliant.
Dam right your guy's best able to change Washington politics. <thumbs up> you betcha pal,....<eye roll>
Let's vote your guy in, when economy is #1.
Who claims to not know much about economics
Was part of the group of people he claims to want to clean up.
Has people from these very companies and lobby mutts (7) within his camp, right now (the very people he's going to clean up).
Voted in Bush's favor 90% of the time, Bush leader of those who ran the economy broke flinging money everywhere.
Chooses a VP who patronizes herself with half truths on a daily basis, even after they been proven to be half-truths.
Run's a dirty camp because that's all the reality he really has, then crys when the other side plays the game with the same rules he's using.
Yup I say we all vote for your guy.
BTW, nice and very selective cherry picking. I guess if you didn't live in or near Chicago and are neo, this prolly looks like the holy grail. That's sticking your neck out there if you don't know much about Chicago. OTOH anyone who takes on the Chicago old school politicians,.. must have some big ol nads, more so then Alaska. Trust me,...Chicago politics would swallow Alaska whole for breakfast.
I seem to smell "panic" in the room. :)
could be just me though.
OH!, you forgot to mention he's known to associate with terrorist.
<GGGGGGG>
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For those who ask about what "your candidate" would do, they should please do us all a favor and look up McCains record, see his causes. No Congressman fights against corruption and fights for ethics reform more than McCain. That is the truth, that is the reality the democrats don't want you to hear. His record is clear and easily reviewed if someone wants to know the truth.
Take the risk, learn and compare the truth versus the fiction.
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I seem to smell "panic" in the room. :)
could be just me though.
It is. Everyone else knows.
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CHANGE CHICAGO STYLE?
You forgot Jim Ryan.
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Why in God's name would you want to change Chicago Style???
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Flickr_lwy_519593532--Chicago-style_pizza.jpg/800px-Flickr_lwy_519593532--Chicago-style_pizza.jpg)
???????? :huh :rolleyes: :huh
Or did you forget a comma?
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i like the pool of grease at the center......mmmm mmmmm mmmmm :aok (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/eatdrink024.gif)
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Umm, no he started not accepting the same ol game. Refer to the guy he beat out.
Wait. Are you trying to say here that Obama is not a product of the Chicago machine?
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Why in God's name would you want to change Chicago Style???
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Flickr_lwy_519593532--Chicago-style_pizza.jpg/800px-Flickr_lwy_519593532--Chicago-style_pizza.jpg)
???????? :huh :rolleyes: :huh
Or did you forget a comma?
Mmmmmmmmmmm makes me want Giordano's pizza.
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It's ok to not vote for Obama if your from Chicago.
Has nothing to do with regional loyalty, color or gender.
Nobody in NY would vote for Rudy as president either.
We know the guys a corrupt POS.
Kinda like your corrupt POS.
;)
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Flickr_lwy_519593532--Chicago-style_pizza.jpg/800px-Flickr_lwy_519593532--Chicago-style_pizza.jpg)
Drat you DYNAMITE, drat you to heck. Now I want a Chicago style pizza, from pizzeria Uno's, so bad. :cry I have to settle for that New York style poo poo. ^^^^That's the stuff there, oh yea.
Now back to the topic: I honestly think that neither candidate is worth the powder to blow their noses with. Where is the money going to come from to implement Obama's plan?(More taxes? Pffft, Yea right.) McCain thinks that Americans need to spend more to get us out of this economic boondoggle, that spending more got us in, in the first place. Neither is going to stop the flow of money into the hog trough that feeds the pork in congress (that's political suicide). Americas struck the proverbial economic iceberg, all we are doing is electing the captain to slip beneath the waves with her, so we can point a finger and blame him for it, while Congress is just going to re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Change, none in power want it, unless we the people cram it down their throats with torches and pitchforks, and maybe a little tar and feathers to boot.
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Change - This term is generally used to suggest that a particular idea is good because it is newer. But, seldom are the effects of this "change" fully examined. Newer is not always better. Remember… Nazism was change. Communism was change. Prohibition was change. 'Jim Crow' laws were change. Democracy was change…. Ok, so sometimes change is good. But, when a politician asks for 'change', one should consider whether or not the cure is really any better than the disease.
Free Elections
Implied - The masses are free to choose any person they wish to run their government.
Actual - The masses are free to choose between the two candidates we choose for them... and if possible, even that is prohibited.
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OTOH
What makes your candidates more able to do so?
I'm sure it's not the fact that he stated himself, "I don't know much about economics", when it happens to be top on the list.
Let's vote your guy in, when economy is #1.
Who claims to not know much about economics
McCain has been on the commerce committee since 1987
served in congress since 1982, supported "Gramm-Rudman"- legislation that enforced automatic spending cuts in the case of budget deficits.
McCain once said "I embraced all of the core Reagan convictions: faith in the individual; skepticism of government; free trade and vigorous capitalism". Reagan-"had the greatest political influence on him of anyone"
now a few times i have heard that he meant to say "I don't know much about economics", as a joke,
but if it wasn't a joke, and he has been doing this since 1982,and still doesn't know much about it,
then why on earth would we believe that a 1 term junior senator from Illinois, who has spent most of his term campaigning to be president, would have a clue? i guess the answer would be from all his experience in chicago politics!
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Flickr_lwy_519593532--Chicago-style_pizza.jpg/800px-Flickr_lwy_519593532--Chicago-style_pizza.jpg)
Now I want a Chicago style pizza, from pizzeria Uno's, so bad. :cry
Uno's? Gack! Giordanos is where it's at :aok
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Uno's? Gack! Giordanos is where it's at :aok
http://www.nancyspizza.com/company/awards.asp
Giordanos and Uno are for the tourists
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Obama is going to give everyone free health care and more of the the rich white guy's money. What's wrong with that? Except for the fact that the rich white guys didn't get rich by giving their money away. More money taken from them will be replaced by everyone that pays taxes which is everyone that buys anything. He'll give us more government that makes sure everyone thinks properly. We don't need everyone thinking their own thoughts do we? How irresponsible is that?
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Mmmmmmmmmmm makes me want Giordano's pizza.
I will take Lou Malnotis over Giordanos any day :aok
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Wait. Are you trying to say here that Obama is not a product of the Chicago machine?
Define the Chicago Machine.
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It's ok to not vote for Obama if your from Chicago.
Has nothing to do with regional loyalty, color or gender.
Nobody in NY would vote for Rudy as president either.
We know the guys a corrupt POS.
Kinda like your corrupt POS.
;)
Like I said before, and will say again. You post complete nonsense on politics. Probably people like you who voted Bush in twice, knowing he flunked the first time. You're all about victory over truth, the exact problem that porked this country.
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Define the Chicago Machine.
^ The Cubs!!!!!!!
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It is. Everyone else knows.
Ya that's what people told me the last two elections. Everything I said would happen by putting Bush in ALL came true.
Much like you Neo Trekkies, will pay no attension to common logic, you're all about victory over truth, which you post none of BTW. You avoid truth like the plague. But thanks alot for putting a flunky loser in twice, again, we all thank your brilliance with the middle finger. People who voted Bush in twice want the rest of us to think they know what they are talking about,.... that's interesting. You didn't have a clue then, you don't have a clue now either. Bush twice and a ruined dragged otu country is what Victory over Truth, got us. But please continue aimlessly as usual.
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^ The Cubs!!!!!!!
LOL
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Obama is going to give everyone free health care and more of the the rich white guy's money. What's wrong with that? Except for the fact that the rich white guys didn't get rich by giving their money away. More money taken from them will be replaced by everyone that pays taxes which is everyone that buys anything. He'll give us more government that makes sure everyone thinks properly. We don't need everyone thinking their own thoughts do we? How irresponsible is that?
SO, a CEO who makes 40-150 million a year is ok, as long as workers get laid off to support it? That's what these rich ceo types do. To get even more money they lay off workers and take part fo the savings instead of reinvesting it.
There's nothing irresponsible about everyone paying proper taxes, unless your a rich republican, then it's ok. Don't take from the rich, take from the poor...now that's irresponsible.
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Ya that's what people told me the last two elections. Everything I said would happen by putting Bush in ALL came true.
Much like you Neo Trekkies, will pay no attension to common logic, you're all about victory over truth, which you post none of BTW. You avoid truth like the plague. But thanks alot for putting a flunky loser in twice, again, we all thank your brilliance with the middle finger. People who voted Bush in twice want the rest of us to think they know what they are talking about,.... that's interesting. You didn't have a clue then, you don't have a clue now either. Bush twice and a ruined dragged otu country is what Victory over Truth, got us. But please continue aimlessly as usual.
Repeat it as often as you like. Bad spelling, name calling and all. It still does not make it true. The only reason most voted for Bush is because Gore and Kerry sucked worse. So you offer Obama? Real improvement. :rolleyes:
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Yep, Bush was a poor choice for President, both times.
Simply amazing the Dems couldn't beat a choice that poor..... twice in a row.
That they may yet snatch defeat from the jaws of victory this time is still a possibility. They should have a landslide win in this election except that they keep nominating the left-most members of their party thinking the mainstream voters will accept that.
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SO, a CEO who makes 40-150 million a year is ok, as long as workers get laid off to support it? That's what these rich ceo types do. To get even more money they lay off workers and take part fo the savings instead of reinvesting it.
There's nothing irresponsible about everyone paying proper taxes, unless your a rich republican, then it's ok. Don't take from the rich, take from the poor...now that's irresponsible.
The poor pay no taxes, to the contrary, they are the recipients of most of our tax dollars. How is it fair for me to work hard every day earning a living while paying taxes that are too high because most of that money is given to many too lazy to pay their own way?
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And yet even the outside parties do not offer what I want. Ron Paul's foreign policy is crap, at least as far as I am concerned, among other things I do not like about him. And I was never really a Barr fan either.
Change will evidently have to begin at the bottom. We apparently will not successfully place a decent candidate in a presidential election any other way.
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Repeat it as often as you like. Bad spelling, name calling and all. It still does not make it true. The only reason most voted for Bush is because Gore and Kerry sucked worse. So you offer Obama? Real improvement. :rolleyes:
What makes it true is I am speaking facts, and you are speaking party-line. It's the Neos who think they can change history by repeating half truths and down right nonsense.
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And yet even the outside parties do not offer what I want. Ron Paul's foreign policy is crap, at least as far as I am concerned, among other things I do not like about him. And I was never really a Barr fan either.
Change will evidently have to begin at the bottom. We apparently will not successfully place a decent candidate in a presidential election any other way.
The problem is that even if you split america into two different basic groups who believe two different opposite things, 150 million people will ALWAYS disagree with what is being done.
There will never be a decent candidate because America will never agree to what a decent candidate should be.
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What makes it true is I am speaking facts, and you are speaking party-line. It's the Neos who think they can change history by repeating half truths and down right nonsense.
Ya that's what people told me the last two elections. Everything I said would happen by putting Bush in ALL came true.
Much like you Neo Trekkies, will pay no attension to common logic, you're all about victory over truth, which you post none of BTW. You avoid truth like the plague. But thanks alot for putting a flunky loser in twice, again, we all thank your brilliance with the middle finger. People who voted Bush in twice want the rest of us to think they know what they are talking about,.... that's interesting. You didn't have a clue then, you don't have a clue now either. Bush twice and a ruined dragged otu country is what Victory over Truth, got us. But please continue aimlessly as usual.
SO, a CEO who makes 40-150 million a year is ok, as long as workers get laid off to support it? That's what these rich ceo types do. To get even more money they lay off workers and take part fo the savings instead of reinvesting it.
There's nothing irresponsible about everyone paying proper taxes, unless your a rich republican, then it's ok. Don't take from the rich, take from the poor...now that's irresponsible.
You haven't posted a fact yet, you can't spell, and you can't put together coherent sentences, never mind post anything without name calling and "catch phrases".
When you decide to do something different, let us know.
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Why in God's name would you want to change Chicago Style???
Because only heathens make soggy pieces of crap like that?
Pizza is supposed to be thin, tasty, and able to fold. No fork required. :furious
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You haven't posted a fact yet, you can't spell, and you can't put together coherent sentences, never mind post anything without name calling and "catch phrases".
When you decide to do something different, let us know.
Well hello kettle,.."do as I say, not as I do.."?
Funny, exactly what I was thinking about you. All you do is attack me constantly and challenge me without substance. Yet when you are presented with anything at all,.. you just look over it and reply with no more then personal attacks yourself.
Then on top of it all, you whine when someone plays your game using the same rules? If you don't want to be attacked (which you are not), don't ask for it. Get a clue pal. If you think you're being "attacked" then I suggest you are in need of thicker skin. I don't own an axe for show, stick your neck out there and I'll use it properly, your call.
Your problem is you think I'm going to just be a push over because you stomp your foot. Think again. This ain't my first BBQ. Bullying me into changing my mind will NEVER, EVER work. Period. Proving to me where I am wrong will\might.
Maybe you just focus on personal attacks to over shadow and smoke screen what's presented? I ask because you don't seem to want to touch on the actual subject. For someone preaching to me about substance on the subject, practice what you preach first, then bark up my leg.
I have not once seen you discount anything I posted with conflicting facts, not once. If you know I am wrong, then you should know the right answer, why is it you never really show me up and post it? If I am wrong feel free to show me the errors of my ways. Seemingly, I am more willing to learn the truth then you seem to be.
Now, if you don't understand what I just wrote then I suggest the problem is yours. Quite frankly, this is a BB, not English class, I don't care what you think of my BB grammar.
Something tells me this is all really about conflict on the boards years ago? It's really not about what I am saying is it? If it were, you'd stay on subject.
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I will take Lou Malnotis over Giordanos any day :aok
Never had Chicago deep dish from Lou's, I have had there thin crust, it was ok, just really thin, and kinda bland sauce.
I usaully get my stuffed pizza from a place called Rosati's.
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Oh, but I have refuted you with facts. Repeatedly. The problem is, you only post vague B.S. attacks against your perceived enemies, and few, if any facts.
WE didn't have an altercation. I just watched while you had meltdowns. It was every bit as amusing then as it is now, albeit sort of sad as well. What this is about is your constant insertion of your stupidity into every thread, and adding absolutely ZERO substance. No, unfortunately for you "neo trekkie", "right trekkie" and the rest of your little "pet names" are NOT substance. They are merely prime examples of your lack of the ability to bring anything remotely resembling substance to the table.
I have no desire to intimidate anyone. I have no desire to change your mind. I'm not "stomping my foot". All I'm doing is pointing out you have nothing to say of any substance at all, you merely offer regurgitated drivel you swallowed elsewhere and tossed up here.
Attacked? Ha, you don't have anything to attack me WITH. If you do, drag it out and show me what you've got. Here's a hint, do not bring an ax to an artillery battle.
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There's nothing irresponsible about everyone paying proper taxes, unless your a rich republican, then it's ok. Don't take from the rich, take from the poor...now that's irresponsible.
yeah, like that Charlie Rangel guy, another rich white republican guy that doesn't pay his taxes. :O
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Oh, but I have refuted you with facts. Repeatedly. The problem is, you only post vague B.S. attacks against your perceived enemies, and few, if any facts.
WE didn't have an altercation. I just watched while you had meltdowns. It was every bit as amusing then as it is now, albeit sort of sad as well. What this is about is your constant insertion of your stupidity into every thread, and adding absolutely ZERO substance. No, unfortunately for you "neo trekkie", "right trekkie" and the rest of your little "pet names" are NOT substance. They are merely prime examples of your lack of the ability to bring anything remotely resembling substance to the table.
I have no desire to intimidate anyone. I have no desire to change your mind. I'm not "stomping my foot". All I'm doing is pointing out you have nothing to say of any substance at all, you merely offer regurgitated drivel you swallowed elsewhere and tossed up here.
Attacked? Ha, you don't have anything to attack me WITH. If you do, drag it out and show me what you've got. Here's a hint, do not bring an ax to an artillery battle.
I have NEVER seen you post any facts at all, purely assumption and party-line hype. I dind't read past the first lines because I'm not buying into your perpetual attack syndrome act.
All you have to do is look at my post and you'll see plenty of substance, I can't help it you see what you want to see and no more. Just because you don't agree with my post or facts doesn't mean there's n o substance. I'm just not going to tell you what you want to hear. And if your guy is lying I will callit out every single time, just because you play your party like they are saints.
Basically your goal is to keep it off subject and on me so I don't spill anymore truths. Not staying busy with your agenda. If you don't like what I post, you have a conscious choice to not read it.
Meltdowns, lol.....ya I know the ploy, it ain't working. If you call calling a liar out a meltdown then so be it. I'm melting down all over the place. <g>
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I have NEVER seen you post any facts at all, purely assumption and party-line hype. I dind't read past the first lines because I'm not buying into your perpetual attack syndrome act.
All you have to do is look at my post and you'll see plenty of substance, I can't help it you see what you want to see and no more. Just because you don't agree with my post or facts doesn't mean there's n o substance. I'm just not going to tell you what you want to hear. And if your guy is lying I will callit out every single time, just because you play your party like they are saints.
Basically your goal is to keep it off subject and on me so I don't spill anymore truths. Not staying busy with your agenda. If you don't like what I post, you have a conscious choice to not read it.
Meltdowns, lol.....ya I know the ploy, it ain't working. If you call calling a liar out a meltdown then so be it. I'm melting down all over the place. <g>
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Oh, but I have refuted you with facts. Repeatedly. The problem is, you only post vague B.S. attacks against your perceived enemies, and few, if any facts.
WE didn't have an altercation. I just watched while you had meltdowns. It was every bit as amusing then as it is now, albeit sort of sad as well. What this is about is your constant insertion of your stupidity into every thread, and adding absolutely ZERO substance. No, unfortunately for you "neo trekkie", "right trekkie" and the rest of your little "pet names" are NOT substance. They are merely prime examples of your lack of the ability to bring anything remotely resembling substance to the table.
I have no desire to intimidate anyone. I have no desire to change your mind. I'm not "stomping my foot". All I'm doing is pointing out you have nothing to say of any substance at all, you merely offer regurgitated drivel you swallowed elsewhere and tossed up here.
Attacked? Ha, you don't have anything to attack me WITH. If you do, drag it out and show me what you've got. Here's a hint, do not bring an ax to an artillery battle.
You do have aa lack of ability to converse without confrontation, isn't that what you're known for,.. being addicted to arguing and cutting people down.
Blow it out ur butt pal. You ain't all that. And i'll do what ever I want, with or without your approval.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
See, just another BB tard boy who can't think beyond cut lows,... a wussy in my book. You're all mouth.
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See, just another BB tard boy who can't think beyond cut lows,... a wussy in my book. You're all mouth.
I believe the term I was looking for earlier is "squeak toy". Fits you like a glove.
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Because only heathens make soggy pieces of crap like that?
Pizza is supposed to be thin, tasty, and able to fold. No fork required. :furious
Then you sir are missing out.
But I'll forgive you, your from Houston so that explains your poor pizza taste.
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x2 on Rosati's
Never had Chicago deep dish from Lou's, I have had there thin crust, it was ok, just really thin, and kinda bland sauce.
I usaully get my stuffed pizza from a place called Rosati's.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
You've convinced me not to like you, and now I don't....I think you're a typical AOHELL chat room dweeb. Go find another target troll,...and like I said if you don't like my post, don't read them idiot.
I'm not here to gain your approval. And I don't give three flying rats butts what you think about me.
Ramble on with your hypocritical personal attacks as you always do. Just don't whine when someone plays by the same rules.
Grow thicker skin, or get mental help, one of the two.
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Because only heathens make soggy pieces of crap like that?
Pizza is supposed to be thin, tasty, and able to fold. No fork required. :furious
Sacrilege! When I was young, I too was led astray by the usurper New York style. For it was all that I had known. Then on liberty, I hastened to Chicago, entered pizzeria Uno's, and had the veil of mass marketing lifted from my eyes. I realized that before then, I had been eating a pale immitation of what true pizza is meant to be. It is called a pizza PIE for a reason! Go shingle your roof with that flat tasteless abomination, heretic. Burn the heathen heretic, and all who hold New York style as true pizza.
Their is no pie, but pizza,
and deep dish, is it's style. ;)
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My favorite was My PII (greek Pi sign). It started as a couple of great deep dish pizza restaurants in the city that made a run at a chain in the 1980s then failed and collapsed back to a single restaurant on Clark (maybe another one). Haven't been there in years -- I'll have to try it again the next time I'm in the city. I have a Lou Malnatis and a Giordanos close by. Have a deep dish Lou slice in the fridge actually. Never thought Uno or Rosati's or Nancy's were all that special. Had a great local place where I grew up in Northbrook called Villa Rosa with a variety of good thin crusts and a good, cheap, greasy thin crust place called Joe's a town over.
I'm actually a bit more partial to thin crust most days, though deep dish is fine too :)
Charon
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You've convinced me not to like you, and now I don't....I think you're a typical AOHELL chat room dweeb. Go find another target troll,...and like I said if you don't like my post, don't read them idiot.
I'm not here to gain your approval. And I don't give three flying rats butts what you think about me.
Ramble on with your hypocritical personal attacks as you always do. Just don't whine when someone plays by the same rules.
Grow thicker skin, or get mental help, one of the two.
You obviously know nothing about pizza.
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For those who ask about what "your candidate" would do, they should please do us all a favor and look up McCains record, see his causes. No Congressman fights against corruption and fights for ethics reform more than McCain. That is the truth, that is the reality the democrats don't want you to hear. His record is clear and easily reviewed if someone wants to know the truth.
Take the risk, learn and compare the truth versus the fiction.
No other candidate fights for deregulation more either. Look where that got us.
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No other candidate fights for deregulation more either. Look where that got us.
I don't think it was deregulation that got us here but more an abundance of greed lacking any self control or common sense.
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Then you sir are missing out.
But I'll forgive you, your from Houston so that explains your poor pizza taste.
I travel, a lot. I also have some native New Jersey guys with a shop across the street that uses an older brick oven.
Without the brick oven, it's fake pizza. :noid
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Without the brick oven, it's fake pizza.
Exactly. A REAL tomato pie is made in a brick oven. A VERY hot one.
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I hope Chicago doesn't get the Olympics in 2016.
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ive been here for a couple of months (in chicago) and have yet to feel unsafe.
the panhandlers are a huge pain in the ass, but other than that, its clean for the most part and its extremely friendly compared to other large cities that i have been to.
i havent spent any time in the bad neighborhoods on the south side, but it seems pretty well contained in general.
(knocks on wood)
my .02
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ive been here for a couple of months (in chicago) and have yet to feel unsafe.
the panhandlers are a huge pain in the ass, but other than that, its clean for the most part and its extremely friendly compared to other large cities that i have been to.
i havent spent any time in the bad neighborhoods on the south side, but it seems pretty well contained in general.
(knocks on wood)
my .02
Ill give you some directions if you want to experience "unsafe ness". "Well contained"?? hahahahahahahahahahaha
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Yeah as long as your not on the South side or West side you'll be ok, especially if your white I would suggest staying clear of those area's.
I know what you mean about the panhandlers, there at just about every freeway exit ramp.
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Ill give you some directions if you want to experience "unsafe ness". "Well contained"?? hahahahahahahahahahaha
Hey Rich,
You guys have my support in the struggle with city hall and J-Fed. It's just moral support and doesn't mean anything, but good luck with that contract and the challenges you face doing your jobs. I served with more than a few Chicago cops in the reserves and have generally had good interactions (especially compared to some of the Suburban departments) and it sucks that the city leadership and the local media sell out the force when anything questionable (virtually any tough policing) happens.
The CPD receives about the same level of support from da mayor and da local media as the 2nd Amendment in Chicago.
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Yeah as long as your not on the South side or West side you'll be ok, especially if your white I would suggest staying clear of those area's.
I know what you mean about the panhandlers, there at just about every freeway exit ramp.
Depends where u mean on the southside
mt greenwood is full of irish cops and firemen
near south and near west are ...ummm.. testy ... but most areas are fine
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Yeah as long as your not on the South side or West side you'll be ok, especially if your white I would suggest staying clear of those area's.
I know what you mean about the panhandlers, there at just about every freeway exit ramp.
and every damn 7-11 in the whole world it seems.
funny story. i was out on a date the other night with a gal and we were standing outside talking when a guy just barged in and started asking for money for food...
she immediately gave him directions to the nearest 24 hour kitchens within a 2 block radius.
of course, he called her a .itch and f-you and etc.
i explained that if he new what was good for him he would walk away. i said it in such a way that i think he believed me, because he did.
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As my favorite author often said, "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch." TANSTAAFL
Someone has to pay for all the "benefits" that some of us want to grant the "poor." I, for one, am tired of doing it.
I would like to see us return to the days of charity that existed before the "New Deal" brought us "entitlements" and the taxes to support them.
Did anyone notice the condition of the poor that had to be rescued form New Orleans after Katrina. Overweight would be a kind description.
I would like to see the Congress, and Pelosi, remember that their function is to legislate. Not govern. I also think that there are enough laws on the books. Perhaps Congress could take a break and just approve the budget that the Executive branch must abide by.
Change
–verb (used with object)
1. to make the form, nature, content, future course, etc., of (something) different from what it is or from what it would be if left alone: to change one's name; to change one's opinion; to change the course of history.
2. to transform or convert (usually fol. by into): The witch changed the prince into a toad.
3. to substitute another or others for; exchange for something else, usually of the same kind: She changed her shoes when she got home from the office.
progress
–noun
1. a movement toward a goal or to a further or higher stage: the progress of a student toward a degree.
2. developmental activity in science, technology, etc., esp. with reference to the commercial opportunities created thereby or to the promotion of the material well-being of the public through the goods, techniques, or facilities created.
3. advancement in general.
4. growth or development; continuous improvement: He shows progress in his muscular coordination.
5. the development of an individual or society in a direction considered more beneficial than and superior to the previous level.
I think I would prefer progress over change.
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As my favorite author often said, "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch." TANSTAAFL
Heinlein.. The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. "Throw Rocks at 'em, Manny!"
LOL.. loved it. Of all the books.. I still think that one woulda made the best movie. Especially the scene where all the tourists show up to watch the first rock come in... LOL!! Woulda been freakin priceless.
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"The price of Freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle, anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness......at home, or abroad."
Who said it?
Yes, it would have been a good movie. They trashed Starship Troopers. Damn hard to get the book's fine points into the movie.
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Heinlein; from 'The Puppet Masters'.. another good story they didn't get right on the screen.
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i explained that if he new what was good for him he would walk away. i said it in such a way that i think he believed me, because he did.
And thus, you have learned an essential truth about living in Chicago.
It is a giant city with a large homeless population. Since I sample it every day, downtown, my observation show it is equal part white and black. Very few Hispanic homeless in Chicago. I have never seen an oriental homeless person, ever.
Many of them turn hostile, especially late at night. Near the trains.
There is only one way to deal with them. You must be aggressive. If they approach you, or step towards you - put them down. I have learned a few moves studying martial arts, and I have used them. I have broken homeless men down at the knee and sent them backwards when they reached out at me. Try to never use your hands, use your elbow across the throat. I am also 6'3" and 230 pounds and can send most people backwards. But even a 5'4" woman can do it, if she trains and prepares and is willing to show open aggression.
They do not expect aggression. But after you do it, you must retreat, as the others will come to the rescue. Treat it like dodging zombies.
It is a drawback of living in Chicago, there is no doubt.
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CHANGE CHICAGO STYLE?
Body count. In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago , 221 killed in Iraq.
You forgot all the Iraqi civilians killed. Add that for a better perspective. :aok
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You forgot all the Iraqi civilians killed. Add that for a better perspective. :aok
Frankly, I don't give a damn about the enemy or collateral casualties. I look forward to our shifting our armed services to Afghanistan, and Pakistan if need be, to defeat the enemy.
Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster.
William Tecumseh Sherman
War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.
William Tecumseh Sherman
War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, and I say give them all they want.
William Tecumseh Sherman
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Frankly, I don't give a damn about the enemy or collateral casualties.
We know.
That it makes you a poor student of history is obvious, because you quote Sherman.
Do you have a T-Shirt that says "Kill 'Em all, let God sort them out?"
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Does it matter if he has a shirt like that?
Fact of war: You have your own people, and everyone else. Take care of your own, and don't worry about everyone else.
We go way out of our way to ensure we do as little collateral damage as possible, and frankly I think that costs us in the long run. Maybe if we started dropping 500lb bombs on every house that a sniper fires a shot from the locals will get the hint that if they don't want their house turned into a crater that maybe they should start kicking the crap out of the bad guys as well and stop supporting them so they don't get hurt along with the bad guys.
Instead we have the current situation and it's no different than an inner city crime scene. Someone gets shot and when the police show up, there are a hundred people standing there and no one saw or heard a thing. Yeah right.
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Hey Rich,
You guys have my support in the struggle with city hall and J-Fed. It's just moral support and doesn't mean anything, but good luck with that contract and the challenges you face doing your jobs. I served with more than a few Chicago cops in the reserves and have generally had good interactions (especially compared to some of the Suburban departments) and it sucks that the city leadership and the local media sell out the force when anything questionable (virtually any tough policing) happens.
The CPD receives about the same level of support from da mayor and da local media as the 2nd Amendment in Chicago.
You can get into trouble quickly in any big city in the world. As an LEO I personally consider the smaller, meaner cities more dangerous for coppers. Places Like Philly, Detroit, B-more, Cinci, places like that. The cities of 300,000 to 800,000 with a lot of economic bad news and poverty. Some of these towns have very few, if any, decent neighborhoods to live in and/or travel thru. POs in these small mean cities generally have it worse then we do.
It wasn't always like that. When I first started ALL of the High Rise housing projects were up and jammed packed. We didn't have bullet proof vests and only carried wheelguns, "usually 2 or 3". I worked those projects, almost all of them, and got shot at in almost all of them. You might get a call at 0300 that there are 4 people shot on the 14'th floor of a high rise and you had to run the gangster gauntlet to get the medics up there, "and the elevators never worked". Nor was there any help coming cause all the other cars were down on jobs or in the station with pinches. So we drew our guns and walked up those 14 flights of stairs. And we did it all the time.
Now they tore the high rises down and its much harder for street crews to operate. Making it harder to sell dope on the street brought some of the killing down. Advances in emergency medicine saves many a shot gangster nowdays that would have died before. The city has gentrified and some of our crime got pushed out to the suburbs by the simple fact they cant afford to live here anymore. Sentences got a lot stiffer for full time criminals and prison populations are at an all time high.
But you cant afford to "feel safe" in any big city and certainly not this one. Everybody should follow a lifestyle of self defense I believe, even in cities that unlawfully violate the 2nd amendment rights of its citizens. Just keeping your head up and being aware of whats around you is a good start. Stay out of bad neighborhoods, "I never go in one unless I'm working", and learn to accept the fact you can be victimized even in a supposedly good neighborhood. Stay fit, karate, boxing, lifting...all good stuff. I'm a big believer in a good dog too.
The homeless are the least of your worries here. Just off duty alone Ive had guys try and rob me twice and at least 1/2 dozen attempted attacks on me with weapons. And the BGs lost every time. A citizens safety is his/her own responsibility. The Police are there to help, and want to, but often just cant be. In the end its all on you.
The older I get the more I despise the fact that working, law abiding citizens are denied their 2nd amendment rights in the big cities where they are most likely to be victimized.
And thus, you have learned an essential truth about living in Chicago.
It is a giant city with a large homeless population. Since I sample it every day, downtown, my observation show it is equal part white and black. Very few Hispanic homeless in Chicago. I have never seen an oriental homeless person, ever.
Many of them turn hostile, especially late at night. Near the trains.
There is only one way to deal with them. You must be aggressive. If they approach you, or step towards you - put them down. I have learned a few moves studying martial arts, and I have used them. I have broken homeless men down at the knee and sent them backwards when they reached out at me. Try to never use your hands, use your elbow across the throat. I am also 6'3" and 230 pounds and can send most people backwards. But even a 5'4" woman can do it, if she trains and prepares and is willing to show open aggression.
They do not expect aggression. But after you do it, you must retreat, as the others will come to the rescue. Treat it like dodging zombies.
It is a drawback of living in Chicago, there is no doubt.
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We know.
That it makes you a poor student of history is obvious, because you quote Sherman.
Do you have a T-Shirt that says "Kill 'Em all, let God sort them out?"
I do not have the T-Shirt. One can order one from http://www.gistuff.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=&idproduct=48 This phrase is attributed to Gen. Patton and originated during the Catholic conquest of Beziers, France.
Poor student? I think not, Sherman's thoughts on the matter should be a dictum taught in the U.S. Army War College. In fact, it is!
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
George Santayana
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They do not expect aggression. But after you do it, you must retreat, as the others will come to the rescue. Treat it like dodging zombies.
soooooo, i shouldnt light them on fire then, cuz then i'd just be fighting a burning homeless zombie?
heh,