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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Chalenge on September 23, 2008, 01:57:49 AM
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I have been trying to learn more about the changes MS plans for future versions of Windows. It doesnt look like AHII will run at all on Win7 (without changes that is) even though I hope it will! I hope Skuzzy will speak up on that and that I am just confused in what I have read. MS has decided to make Win7 without the backward compatibility of previous windows versions? While Win7 sounds great some of the decisions being made in its creation are going to make life painful at some point.
Read about it here:
http://windows7news.com/2008/05/23/windows-7-to-break-backwards-compatibility/
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I thought Vista was supposed to be the last OS Microsoft released and it would just have multiple updates? :huh
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saw this today as well:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10048142-56.html
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When MS loses backwards compatibility it loses its main advantage over competition. Now would be a good time to start coding for mac/linux.
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Please do linux :pray
I've never owned a mac in my life! :noid
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There were some videos leaked of windows 7 I found on slashdot, but the site is bogged down from traffic. But so far the interface is similar to Vista. Let's just hope it doesn't end up that way or I'll be hanging onto XP like some guys hang onto Win2K
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I'm holding out until the release of Mojave :rofl
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I'm holding out until the release of Mojave :rofl
LOL
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Outside the collective insanity of some ent[H]usiast sites I haven't met anyone who would have liked or wanted to use Vista so far.
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...Let's just hope it doesn't end up that way or I'll be hanging onto XP like some guys hang onto Win2K
What can I say? If it works and I like it, I'll keep it. :D
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Whatever it's named, it's being rushed. They KNOW that Vista bombed. What they're doing is making some cosmetic changes, getting rid of a bit of the fat (and HOPEFULLY killing all that DRM paranoid crap out entirely!), but it'll be 90% Vista. It will be remarketed and repackaged and an entirely new advertising campaign will be run, but let's be honest. They spend BILLIONS on Vista and need a replacement fast? They're going to tweak Vista and push it out under a new name.
Don't have high expectations for what is coming next. It may be better than Vista, but it may not.
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When MS loses backwards compatibility it loses its main advantage over competition. Now would be a good time to start coding for mac/linux.
If AH ran on a Mac I would buy one.
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Not a big Mac fan. Linux sounds more luxurious.
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"This won’t mean that older programs won’t run, but that virtualisation will be used to make them run. The key drivers for this are performance improvements, but also in an attempt to sidestep regulatory programs." - from article
Don't know what that means, but from what the rest of the article says, it's supposed to make things faster.
Also, according to the article postd by spatula, it looks like they're dropping programs like paint, and movie maker from the os installation, but you will still be able to download them from the microsoft website for free if you want them.
I'll keep xp as long as possible, but windows 7 looks like it's going to be a huge improvement over vista, more like xp but with even less in the initial install, which will make it run faster, but we'll see.
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would have thought the easiest way to make it faster would be to ditch all the super paranoid DRM rubbish.
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When MS loses backwards compatibility it loses its main advantage over competition. Now would be a good time to start coding for mac/linux.
I would love to see AH on a Mac.
I just got a MacBook, and I have never used a more reliable, or easy to use computer.
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would have thought the easiest way to make it faster would be to ditch all the super paranoid DRM rubbish.
Considering that was the entire point of Vista, I don't see that happening. Which is why I'll be hanging onto my XP copy well after "Windows 7" shows up.
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I dont know. I have two drives with Vista 64 on them both. The one with ONLY 64 bit programs (I even removed some of Windows bloatware) has a \WinXsX folder of 3.2 Gigs and the one with all the legacy programs and things has a \WinXsX folder of 20 Gigs! Program start times between the two is like night and day but both are plenty fast for gaming.
Also I discovered that many many programs bearing '64 bit version' arent really true 64 bit apps and Vista treats them like 32 bit apps (uninstall - recycle bin). You can find true 64 bit apps if you look hard.
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Read about it here:
http://windows7news.com/2008/05/23/windows-7-to-break-backwards-compatibility/
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Now thats funny! :rofl
After more research it does not sound like Windows 7 will be much different from Vista at all and at least it will have a 64 bit version (32 bit also).
I am more excited about FS 11 then I am another windows version.
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Of course not! It took them a DECADE to get this bloated piece of crap out the door. It tanks, obviously. What are they going to do? Slap a fresh coat of paint, make a new name (wanna bet it's "Mojave"?) and market it as the next best thing!
Lame part is it's a transparent thing to do. If folks stop to think that it took 10 years to MAKE the piece of crap to begin with, it's going to take a lot longer than a single year to fix it.
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You have to admit though that the touch screen approach will be pretty sweet. I mean how many people dont care for typing and mice but point (literally) and drag will catch on to people that are far beyond learning anything technical (like me). :frown:
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You have to admit though that the touch screen approach will be pretty sweet. I mean how many people dont care for typing and mice but point (literally) and drag will catch on to people that are far beyond learning anything technical (like me). :frown:
What will be even sweeter is that touch screens are extremely rare and tag a price premium to cry for. 30" multitouch screen is 5 to 10 times more expensive than a regular one.
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Not to mention the longevity is 1/100th of a regular monitor the same size. It will spawn a whole new industry of screen cleaners though. Having to clean your monitor all the time will just be a hoot! It will also spawn a whole new era of computer related medial problems as people strain to hold thier arms up all day long trying to type documents up. The legal industry will love this!
Can't hardly wait!
NOT!!
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Not to mention the longevity is 1/100th of a regular monitor the same size. It will spawn a whole new industry of screen cleaners though. Having to clean your monitor all the time will just be a hoot! It will also spawn a whole new era of computer related medial problems as people strain to hold thier arms up all day long trying to type documents up. The legal industry will love this!
Can't hardly wait!
NOT!!
If there is one thing I absolutely hate it's a fingerprint on my monitor. It took months of slapping hands before people caught on not to touch the screen.
They go to touchscreens without an option to use the mouse and they can keep the OS. I already run Linux on a couple of machines, so it's wouldn't be a huge leap to convert every system I have.
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There has to be keyboard support. Imagine trying to play Aces High II and having to use the monitor for all the key input. Hehe.
Of course, I have long held that Microsoft is trying to kill gaming on the PC platform so they can sell more XBox systems.
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There has to be keyboard support. Imagine trying to play Aces High II and having to use the monitor for all the key input. Hehe.
Of course, I have long held that Microsoft is trying to kill gaming on the PC platform so they can sell more XBox systems.
Ok, deep down if you really could port to the XBox system keeping everything else the same without losing any functionality, like joy sticks, keyboard, mouse, on-line arenas ect would it not be worth it to avoid hardware/software issues that pop up?
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There has to be keyboard support. Imagine trying to play Aces High II and having to use the monitor for all the key input. Hehe.
Of course, I have long held that Microsoft is trying to kill gaming on the PC platform so they can sell more XBox systems.
Well... I'm glad I have a copy of Windows 2000. :D
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I have XBOX360, when do we get AH for it? ;)
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I have XBOX360, when do we get AH for it? ;)
Well they do run linux already on PS3 ..
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Windows 7 is suppose to be released as a beta next month. And this should let everyone know that we're just getting Vista repackaged...
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Seems like I'm holding onto XP Pro 32-bit for a few more years, maybe a decade at this rate. Oh well, so long as it's supported I'm fine, still beats a Mac.
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mojave is vista . Read up on it. Microsoft is trying to get everyone out of xp and into vista at the current time. The new wave is 64 bit and before anyone makes any assumptions on windows 7, wait till it comes out.Some people have no problems with vista most experience some problems. Windows 7 is supposed to be unbelivable for gaming but we will see if microsoft goofs this one up.
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The biggest thing now is you have the entire civilization running windows 98, windows 2000, windows me, windows xp and vista. Microsoft and hardware/software developers will have a difficult time making anything to with millions using multple operating systems. Microsoft has a master plan to render 98/2000/me /xp useless. There is no more new xp being made for a long time now.They need to do this so they can use the operating system to be easily used with software/hardware. I think in 2 years 98/me/2000 and xp will be totally useless and we will be forced to go with vista or windows 7. The problem with vista is because of the complexity of hardware and software vista uses numerous libraries (files) and this makes computers not run efficiently. It is not as fast as anyone thought. Windows 7 is supposed to run differently.
I saw screen shots of windows 7 which looks a lot like vista. Microsoft should have made the entire look different so it would intrigue people and make them want to purchase it. Second, if they made it more affordable the mass population would migrate to windows 7 and make computer hardware/software designers and engineers jobs much easier.
All our bashing of microsoft is displeasure because we all run different os. It has to be a huge challenge to develop a new os and I pray aces high works on it . Right now I run xp 32 bit and I am capable of running 64 bit.
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Nothing to do with us all runninng different OS'es.
Vista is at least equal to, if not worse than Windows Me, and I never though I would ever say that!!!
The fact they are rushing out Windows 7 (or whatever you want to call it), shows that MS realised they dropped a big one with Vista.
The only way they could force market penetration was by withdrawing XP from general sale.
Not backwards compatible - Hope it comes back to haunt them!!!!!
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I wonder what enticed them to mess up after releasing XP Pro? :huh
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More control of how people use thier computers. This is a sign of a company who has gotten too closed off to the users of the operating system. They have deemed the user base to be incompetent and see thier jobs as being one who must wrestle control away from the user and protect the operating system from the dreaded user.
The basic mantra is, "The user must be stopped! We must take control for thier own good!" Sort of Borg-like in mentality actually. It stems from being out of touch with the real world. I have seen this happen with other software companies.
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The basic mantra is, "The user must be stopped! We must take control for [their] own good!" Sort of Borg-like in mentality actually. It stems from being out of touch with the real world. I have seen this happen with other software companies.
Well "Resistance is futile." :devil
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Well, they truly believe they are doing us a favor by keeping us from doing what we want to do. UAC is the best example of this mentality. It really does nothing for the user in the end, other than add frustration. DRM is the same thing.
The next step is to remove the ability to search the hard drive for files as it has already been deemed this is a bad thing.
If you can accept being treated like an incompetent criminal, then you will be good to go for the next level of control.
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Linux looks more appealing by the second. :(
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Its all about the money! Microsoft will try to make our operating systems obsolete in the next 4 years and force us onto windows7 but like I said earlier, new technology will require new os. It's inevitable so don't be cynacle. Why would microsoft keep adding free service packs or even charge for them. Vista is not efficient because the binary codes it uses but it was a bad effort. Windows 7 is supposed to be entirely different When new stuff comes out wait to buy it until it is deemed good. From the get go all IT professionals stayed away and told everyone not to get vista and most did. Most Businesses stayed with xp. Vista is not terrible but it seems to have been a waste of the end users money. Wait till windows7 comes out and wait a year. If it is not deemed good then we will all commit Bill Gates to a date with Satan. Give the rich Bastage 1 more try!
check this blog out. It seems a lot of effort is being put into this project.
http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/default.aspx
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More control of how people use thier computers. This is a sign of a company who has gotten too closed off to the users of the operating system. They have deemed the user base to be incompetent and see thier jobs as being one who must wrestle control away from the user and protect the operating system from the dreaded user.
The basic mantra is, "The user must be stopped! We must take control for thier own good!" Sort of Borg-like in mentality actually. It stems from being out of touch with the real world. I have seen this happen with other software companies.
the way you put that sounds a lot like big government :rofl kinda like the same thing :aok
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With Bill Gates retiring from active duty it's much possible that Microsoft will lose it's stand in the near future. One of the pilar stones of the company gets removed and this kind of thing never comes without consequences.
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"Imagine trying to play Aces High II and having to use the monitor for all the key input."
Hmm, interesting thought.
Skuzzy, you better tell Hitech that soon the switches in the cockpits need to be working as people will be pushing all the actual buttons and switches they see on the screen. :)
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The biggest problem with UAC is that they tried to clone a process that works quite well in the Unix/Linux world and throw it into the Windows environment willy nilly without taking into account two key factors: The first being that *nix was built from the ground up anticipating that the "super" user would not be "normally" logged in, and the second being that everyone from the newest newb to the most experienced developer knows and anticipates this.
When I try to run a Linux command that requires root access - even when I do so through one of the Desktop interfaces - I get prompted before the tool will even run that I need root access. The developer knows the process requires it, and prompts for it before starting, and even an absolute newb can figure out how to deal with it, and even the most inexeperienced user can pinpoint with near absolute certainty EXACTLY what it is that's asking for permission.
With Vista with UAC enabled, you get cryptic messages that pop up - often times seemingly at random - asking for permission to do something that's so poorly defined that at time even with 25 years of experience in PC technology you're clueless as to exactly what you're being asked to permission and why it popped up, let the 80% of the user base that has less than 20% of the experience. The developers never expected it, the software doesn't anticipate it, and as a result it does more harm than good in just about the most confusing way possible.
Personally, I think MS did this as a bogus "cover our a**" move because the guys at MS aren't exactly morons and only a moron would expect that the average user could deal effectively with it - trying to get off the hook on a technicality that if the user has to permission a trojan to take over their system then it's not "really" MS's fault that the environment is so open to exploitation.
ALL IMO of course.
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Yes, but the bigger joke is that UAC only covers the "Program Files" folder. You can install any software outside of that folder and UAC will not interfere. As most trojans, viruses, spyware, and/or malware install everywhere but in the "Program Files" folder, it makes UAC even a bigger joke.
Many applications are now simply changing the default installation path to something outside the "Program Files" folder. Taking us back to the old days in Windows when software used to install all over the place.
Windows was never written to be multi-user and every attempt MS has made to take it there has failed miserably. UAC simply compaunds the failure with an inept attempt to protect the user from him or her self.
Morons? I think moronic overtones is appropriate, but "inept" is becoming a word I use more and more often when talking about the direction they are taking the OS.
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One big difference between *nix and UAC is that UAC prompts you in completely trivial places such as wanting to change a desktop shortcut properties etc.
One good hint with Vista is that the so called 'secure desktop' which makes your computer freeze on every UAC prompt can be disabled making the UAC much less of a pain. Second good hint is to disable the window animation feature - it will save you 0.5 seconds on each click opening windows, closing them etc.
Third hint is - you really don't need Vista for anything so do yourself a favor and stick with XP.
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Sounds like they covered your guys issues........ Read the blog
http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/default.aspx
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There is nothing in that entire blog about UAC. I know for a fact UAC is alive and well in Windows 7.
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Never mind, I'm not going to say it.