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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Die Hard on September 23, 2008, 03:40:07 AM
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Im Die Hard (not very original I know). :)
I've just started my subscription and I was wondering what would be a good "beginners" plane? :salute
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First up...
Take a little time and go to the Training Arena (TA)
There is usually someone in there who will be dedicated to getting you up and running in a proficient manner.
There are several "easy mode" planes that are reasonably armed with gentle handling characteristics that are good planes to learn in.
One tip is to turn off the stall limiter as soon as you can, it does it's job well but it severely hampers your planes' turning performance.
For starters, I'd recommend the Hurricanes since they have gentle ground handling and give the beginner a good "feel" for the limits of the aircraft. I'd spend a bit of time in both the 1 and the 2-C, the 1 teaches good manoeuvring skills since you are actively encouraged to keep the aircraft pointed in the right direction because the engine will quit if you push negative G's. The Hurri 2-C has a good gun package and it will translate the skills you learn flying the 1 into kills to keep you encouraged.
Once you get some proficiency in these aircraft you can move on to the higher performance rides with some confidence.
Welcome to your new addiction.
:aok
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Welcome to your new addiction.
:aok
God help you :pray
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New addiction, ha ha!
Thank you SD67, but isn't the Hurricane very slow? I'd hate to be a sitting duck all the time. Wouldn't a Spitfire (gesundheit) be a better alternative, though I understand it's a "dweeb ride". I take it that means its a noob plane. :)
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With all due respect a Hurri isn't a beginners plane unless your pathetically going to ho all that moves. Hurri's are like a lame man corned. You can't run when out numbered so you have to fight.
Try a Spit9 for starters. It isn't the best Spit but it holds it's own. You'll get the feel for when it's to fast and the feel for it's best performance, quicker than any of the other spits.
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Wouldn't a Spitfire (gesundheit) be a better alternative, though I understand it's a "dweeb ride". I take it that means its a noob plane. :)
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There are NO dweeb planes.
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New addiction, ha ha!
Thank you SD67, but isn't the Hurricane very slow? I'd hate to be a sitting duck all the time. Wouldn't a Spitfire (gesundheit) be a better alternative, though I understand it's a "dweeb ride". I take it that means its a noob plane. :)
This is not something a noob would say.
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Height is might, speed is life. Go for the La7.
Welcome to your new addiction. :aok
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I agree with lynx, anyone with any sense will bnz you if you're in a hurri. Luckily there are a lot of stupid people in AH so you will get kills, but you'll spend most of your time dodging bnzers or being ganged 1 vs 5.
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Just imagine how well he will do once he gains some proficiency and takes that experience with him when he moves up the performance ladder! :D
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Im Die Hard (not very original I know). :)
I've just started my subscription and I was wondering what would be a good "beginners" plane? :salute
Spit IX, Spit VIII or N1K2-J (niki) are all reasonably efficient "learners". Individual performances, pros & cons, can be found at www.netaces.org though it seems to be down for maintenance at the moment. Look for Soda's AC comparisons when it returns to the airwaves.
Good luck and welcome aboard.
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Are you new to flight sims? Even if you've played some boxed flight sims in the past, get ready to die, a lot...I first learned in the 109F, but most people here wouldn't recommend that. Have fun! :aok
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Thanks all! I'm not new to simulators no. It's been a life-long passion of mine, but I am prepared to die - a LOT! :)
I'll think I'll train on one of the Spitfires. Experience and history suggests it is a forgiving yet capable fighter.
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This is not something a noob would say.
Just what I was thinking.
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Make us proud. :)
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Thanks all! I'm not new to simulators no. It's been a life-long passion of mine, but I am prepared to die - a LOT! :)
I'll think I'll train on one of the Spitfires. Experience and history suggests it is a forgiving yet capable fighter.
What were some of your old simulators?
If you've played them for awhile, you should pick this up fairly quick. Just don't sweat the deaths, we ALL die a LOT :)
One quirk about this simulator you're going to want to do is to take your "Stall Limiter" OFF. I believe it is on by default. You can find it under your flight preferences on the clipboard. It basically limits what you can do to keep you from stalling, and is a major disadvantage.
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Just what I was thinking.
Maybe I'm not a noob then??? I'm not sure what you guys mean.
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Make us proud. :)
Ha ha, no pressure! :)
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DieHard, they mean a couple of things:
Typical noobs don't know squat about aircraft performance except for what they've seen on the History channel, and typical noobs don't call any aircraft a "noob plane." That's usually reserved for the more spiteful and bitter people who are tired of seeing endless waves of Spit16s and N1Ks. I'm guilty of that myself. A lot of us will expect you to try more challenging aircraft once you get the hang of things.
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P-38 is a Great beginner plane :D
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Look for Soda's AC comparisons when it returns to the airwaves.
Soda's is still there. I was just there yesterday.
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What were some of your old simulators?
If you've played them for awhile, you should pick this up fairly quick. Just don't sweat the deaths, we ALL die a LOT :)
One quirk about this simulator you're going to want to do is to take your "Stall Limiter" OFF. I believe it is on by default. You can find it under your flight preferences on the clipboard. It basically limits what you can do to keep you from stalling, and is a major disadvantage.
Let's see
Ace of Aces (C64), Spitfire 40 (C64), Dambusters (C64), Battle of Britain (Amiga), Chuck Yeager's Air Combat (PC), B-17 The Mighty Eight (PC), European Air War (PC), MS Combat Flightsim 2 (PC), Il2 range (they put more letters after that than on a used car ad) (PC). Those are the WWII sims, the jet fighter list would be even longer starting with F-14 Fleet Defender on the C64 back in the 80s.
Stall limiter was one of the first things I turned off when first trying the game off-line. Can't get a feel for the flight modelling in easy-mode. :) So far I think aces high is a bit more forgiving and predictable than the Il2 flight model. I like it. :)
My main deficit is that I haven't flown much on-line before against real people. I'll most likely have to learn everything all over again.
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Welcome to the game and it's good to see someone start the game with such a good additude.
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DieHard, they mean a couple of things:
Typical noobs don't know squat about aircraft performance except for what they've seen on the History channel, and typical noobs don't call any aircraft a "noob plane." That's usually reserved for the more spiteful and bitter people who are tired of seeing endless waves of Spit16s and N1Ks. I'm guilty of that myself. A lot of us will expect you to try more challenging aircraft once you get the hang of things.
I see. Then I'm no noob to sims, or to online gaming, however I am a noob to online sims, well this kind anyway. :)
Btw I believe noobs are called "dweebs" in this game right, or didn't I get that right?
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So far I think aces high is a bit more forgiving and predictable than the Il2 flight model. I like it. :)
Agreed. In Il2 you will fall like a brick if you try some of the maneuvers people do routinely in AH.
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I see. Then I'm no noob to sims, or to online gaming, however I am a noob to online sims, well this kind anyway. :)
Btw I believe noobs are called "dweebs" in this game right, or didn't I get that right?
Everyone here is a dweeb. :D
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Welcome to the game and it's good to see someone start the game with such a good additude.
Thank you :)
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My main deficit is that I haven't flown much on-line before against real people. I'll most likely have to learn everything all over again.
I spent almost a month offline to practice before I went online for my free two weeks. I also read as much as I could on the BBS and at the trainer's site, etc. and got a good feel for what I'm capable of doing and what I need to work on. I still die a lot, but have never had some much fun as I'm having as I fly against real people (ok, some people are more real than others :lol).
You sound a lot like me, so I know you'll have a blast here. Welcome...I hope you've stored up a lot of extra sleep lately...you won't be getting much anymore. :D
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Welcome aboard Die hard!
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Let's see
Ace of Aces (C64), Spitfire 40 (C64), Dambusters (C64), Battle of Britain (Amiga), Chuck Yeager's Air Combat (PC), B-17 The Mighty Eight (PC), European Air War (PC), MS Combat Flightsim 2 (PC), Il2 range (they put more letters after that than on a used car ad) (PC). Those are the WWII sims, the jet fighter list would be even longer starting with F-14 Fleet Defender on the C64 back in the 80s.
Stall limiter was one of the first things I turned off when first trying the game off-line. Can't get a feel for the flight modelling in easy-mode. :) So far I think aces high is a bit more forgiving and predictable than the Il2 flight model. I like it. :)
My main deficit is that I haven't flown much on-line before against real people. I'll most likely have to learn everything all over again.
Cool. If you've been interested in these kinds of games for that long I'm sure you've been interested enough to read their manuals and have a pretty good foundation at least when it comes to terminology. That will help you a lot.
As others said, hook up with a trainer. They are all excellent at teaching and will help you get the most out of your time here. If you can't find a trainer, there are many people who remember what it was like being new, appreciated those who helped them out, and like returning the favor for the next generation. They will help you too.
Finally, and I hope you listen to this... Not everyone who comes across as a jerk here is actually one. Try and think about what they say and why they might be saying it, and give them the benefit of the doubt when you do this. Much of the best advice in this game is delivered... er... ummm... The least eloquently :D
Welcome, and enjoy!
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First off, WELCOME to AHII :salute
Spitfire IX & visit this site -> http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/
On the trainers site there is a GREAT abundance of knowledge that will help you out. I would suggest getting a folder or binder and printing out a lot of their wirte-ups. This has helped all of my squaddies including myself when I first started. The learning curve is steep and there is a lot to learn.
More on the plane that I and most would suggest you start out with.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/images/spit9.gif)
Supermarine Spitfire Mk IX
Country of origin: Britain
Crew: Single-seat
Type: Fighter/Attacker
Normal loaded weight: 7400 lbs.
Dimensions: Wing span 36'10"
Length: 31'1"
Height: 12'7¾"
Internal fuel: 102 gallons
Armament: Package 1
4) 303 cal Browning 350 rpg
2) 20 mm Hispano Mk II 120 rpg
Optional:
1) 30 gallon slipper tank
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With all due respect a Hurri isn't a beginners plane unless your pathetically going to ho all that moves. Hurri's are like a lame man corned. You can't run when out numbered so you have to fight.
Try a Spit9 for starters. It isn't the best Spit but it holds it's own. You'll get the feel for when it's to fast and the feel for it's best performance, quicker than any of the other spits.
Well, all the spitfire, at least imo, is a much overused plane. The P-40 Warhawk (I perfer the E model) will DEFINITLY teach you the ropes, it's not the fastest, but it's much underrated, it can turn with the best of 'em (I've outturned many a spixteen), and in a dive, you can outspeed most anything. Try it.
But, I guess since the spitfires such a "better plane"...
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Just imagine how well he will do once he gains some proficiency and takes that experience with him when he moves up the performance ladder! :D
Imagine how well ANYONE would do once they get some proficiency and experiance... :aok
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Welcome aboard.
Hope you have a deep wallet, this will be your sole addiction... lord help you if you have the Mrs. :pray
:salute
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No I'm single at the moment, and I gather from you guys that Im goingto stay that way. Maybe I need to rethink this!!! :lol
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Everyone here is a dweeb. :D
:salute
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die hard---live up to your handle----looking forward to shooting u down.welcome :cool:
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I'll do my best! :)
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Spit IX, Spit VIII or N1K2-J (niki) are all reasonably efficient "learners". Individual performances, pros & cons, can be found at www.netaces.org though it seems to be down for maintenance at the moment. Look for Soda's AC comparisons when it returns to the airwaves.
Good luck and welcome aboard.
Please dont up yet another spit or n1k,i learned in a American bird it was a long learning curve but im beater for it.
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I agree, i can't remember the last time i saw a p51.
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I agree, i can't remember the last time i saw a p51.
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Well two of you missed my point ...big surprise.It was not that you don't see American birds,and i never said 51 by the way, learn a FM 2 or a p 38 or a f6f maybe a p 40 or even an f4f,maybe an f4u.No Wait lets put yet another new guy in a spixteen,that will never learn how to really fly.See the little pic i had on my post its a war hawk not a 51, guess you missed it.You two phail at your flame.Maybe try once more.
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I got your point, though you missed mine. Yes there are plenty of n1ks and spitfires, there are however plenty of p51s too, yet it often get overlooked when there are complaints about too many numbers of a particular aircraft.
I think someone will learn a lot more in a spit16 than they will in a p40; the p40 is a dreaful aircraft for anyone to start flying in AHII. Someone who is still adjusting to the game doesn't need to be further disadvantaged by flying a plane that is amongst the slowest in the game and can only out-turn aircraft that have a 75+mph speed advantage. At the very least a newbie needs a level playing field if he is not expected to quit in frustration.
I'm sure if i checked your stats all i would be seeing is kills in p40's :rolleyes:
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F4F is a good plane as well.
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Well i agree the 40 may not be the best bird to learn.I am of the state of mind to learn in a not so great bird and then when you get in a competitive bird you will do really well,i learned in a hurricane then a 205 then i learned to make a pony turen,now if i get in a spit i feel like im cheating somehow.Its two different ways of thinking.I stand by that their are to many spits with sticks that cant fly,just as their are to many pony sticks that can only boom and zoom.
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And above all, don't be a score wh*re. The true fun of this game (IMHO) is getting into a good turn fight. I found that the FM-2 and Ki-84 are becoming my favorites. I'm trying to ween myself off the Seafire. It's hard though.
There's nothing worse for me than being in a good fight and you check 6 only to find a picktard in a Tempest blazing down on you :furious
:salute and have fun
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try flying the Hurri,i would the spitfire engine cuts out on Gs and that can be deadly and trust me dont fly FW-190s they are not begginers planes. :D
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try flying the Hurri,i would the spitfire engine cuts out on Gs and that can be deadly and trust me dont fly FW-190s they are not begginers planes. :D
Only the Spitfire I's engine cuts out on negative G's, and for that matter so does the Hurri I's. The other Spits and Hurris do not have this problem.
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la7
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Are you new to flight sims? Even if you've played some boxed flight sims in the past, get ready to die, a lot...I first learned in the 109F, but most people here wouldn't recommend that. Have fun! :aok
I was going to mention the 109F
Why?
For starters it is perfect. It shows you how tight some planes can turn, whilst (at high speeds) can show you how crappy. Also can show you some good dogfighting skills and ammo management. Once you get good, 120 rounds of 20mm cannon can get you 8 kills fairly easy. You may seem like it's not a lot of rounds, but dang, if you are big on conservation of ammo, you can last forever :)
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try flying the Hurri,i would the spitfire engine cuts out on Gs and that can be deadly and trust me dont fly FW-190s they are not begginers planes. :D
How would you know? Mr. 0 kills 0 deaths in an A8 and offering training.
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the la-7 is the fastest plane that a noob can get becase it doesn't cost any perks and has a low cruising spped of 350 miles :O per hour which is extremly fast for a plane that isn't in a dive at all
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I found the Spitfire VIII agreeable. Now if I could only hit something (other than the ground I mean).
I'm not exactly living up to my name. :lol
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I found the Spitfire VIII agreeable. Now if I could only hit something (other than the ground I mean).
I'm not exactly living up to my name. :lol
Have you a joystick I assume?
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Yes I have CH Combat stick USB. And I use the throttle from a Saitek X45 with the rudder thingy on it. Not an ideal setup, but it works.
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Indeed it works. I assume you've already set all the controls up. Take some time to fly in the Training Arena, learn the ropes of flying around in there and ask all your questions there so you don't make an idiot of yourself in the MA. :)
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I was going to mention the 109F
Why?
For starters it is perfect. It shows you how tight some planes can turn, whilst (at high speeds) can show you how crappy. Also can show you some good dogfighting skills and ammo management. Once you get good, 120 rounds of 20mm cannon can get you 8 kills fairly easy. You may seem like it's not a lot of rounds, but dang, if you are big on conservation of ammo, you can last forever :)
Funny, I was completely chastised for recommending the 109F-4 to a new player a couple months ago. :rolleyes:
I think it's a good choice for a new player because it's a good dogfighter and easy to handle, but not so uber that it will teach you bad habits. Our 109F-4 can carry up to 200 20mm shells.
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Funny, I was completely chastised for recommending the 109F-4 to a new player a couple months ago. :rolleyes:
I think it's a good choice for a new player because it's a good dogfighter and easy to handle, but not so uber that it will teach you bad habits. Our 109F-4 can carry up to 200 20mm shells.
Duh. It's the E4 that carries 120 rounds isn't it? *smacks self* Long day.
What you said is true. It's a good learner because it shows you the basics, and you will not die instantly, usually, but people won't call you a dweeb for killing in it.
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want an easy plane 2 fly, takes no skill? fly spit,la la, niki,hurricane
-BigBOBCH
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Lol spikesx I just want to say your sig made me :rofl
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want an easy plane 2 fly, takes no skill? fly spit,la la, niki,hurricane
-BigBOBCH
Bob, I'm always puzzled that you include the Hurricane in the standard list of easy aircraft. Why?
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Lol spikesx I just want to say your sig made me :rofl
I stole it from 1+44 :)
Bob, I'm always puzzled that you include the Hurricane in the standard list of easy aircraft. Why?
I think most add it because of it's turn rate.
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The Hurricanes turn exceptionally well, and with good SA you can easily dodge the BnZ'ers and grab the occasional snapshot as they pass. Once they bleed off their E you can attack them in a level most of them are not used to.
The reason I suggested not just the 2-C in but both of the Hurricane family is simply because an aircraft's turning performance is better in positive G. Flying the Hurricane 1 reinforces this. Getting the basics in a slower plane gives you a solid place to start. There is a reason why the pilots who flew the Hurricane first before moving on to the Spitfire fared better than those who went straight from training into the Spits.
Another reason is it is decidedly easier to handle on the ground. Something that can come in handy if you ever want to rearm or indeed even stay on the runway when you land.
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Yes I have CH Combat stick USB. And I use the throttle from a Saitek X45 with the rudder thingy on it. Not an ideal setup, but it works.
Most folks find rudder pedals to be superior to the twisty sticks or in your case, the X45 rocker switch. Consider the Saitek Pro peds...very well built with adjustable foot rest sizing and tension adjust.
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The Saitek pedals also have a wider stance, a little closer to what I've used IRL. The wider stance gives me a greater degree of finesse than I remember from my old CH stuff. The only other problem I have noticed with them is the angle is significantly more relaxed than any aircraft pedal I've ever used.
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Bob, I'm always puzzled that you include the Hurricane in the standard list of easy aircraft. Why?
anax, i guess i should say the hurri 2c and 2d, and because its one of the best turners in game, and most ppl just BnZ in it
-BigBOBCH