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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: shreck on September 23, 2008, 07:43:35 PM
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I hopped in last night tired of the LW slugfest hopin to find some more meaningful action. I entered arena hopin I'd find Dedalos or others to kill me, all that was on was 2 guys as allied attacking a base together--> :rofl < so I upped a 109F and they promtly tried to vulch, both were augered nicely then 1 of them texts that he is otw back and meet him 1/2 way!! " COOL " OTW I say! climbed to 10K found my adversary at 20K plus in a spit8, again " :rofl ". He dives and after a few loops and rolls and stuff, he has blown all his E and I'm realing him in when he flops and straight up HOs me :huh Now I left thinkin well what is the point of the AVA when it is merely a less populated version of the LWs!! It was quite sad, where were ya Del ? coulda used a little NO FRILLS flyin!! Anyway not sure I'll return! I can get plenty of that DWEEBERY in the LW ! ;)
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Why not stick it out a bit and try to make the AvA a little better(by your opinion). Apparently for you what you seek isn't worth the effort, so how can we take what you seek all that seriously?
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Why not stick it out a bit and try to make the AvA a little better(by your opinion). Apparently for you what you seek isn't worth the effort, so how can we take what you seek all that seriously?
Maybe I just logged in at the wrong time! Before I choose a plane I'll peruse the roster and make sure some quality folks like yourself are in BUG !
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<S> Would love to see you in there!
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<S> Would love to see you in there!
Oh BTW the map and visuals are outstanding, very nice work <S>
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Why not stick it out a bit and try to make the AvA a little better(by your opinion). Apparently for you what you seek isn't worth the effort, so how can we take what you seek all that seriously?
Huh? :rofl
Hey, I am willing to stick it out. Wana mail me $15 and a few more for the time I will waste? Is what he described what you want for the arena? If yes the <S>. If not, admit the mistake and put it back.
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Put it back to what?
All your posts lack any constructiveness and are filled with disdain and disrespect. If you are truly serious take a different tack and apply yourself. <S>
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Put it back to what?
All your posts lack any constructiveness and are filled with disdain and disrespect. If you are truly serious take a different tack and apply yourself. <S>
Back to the way it was before the war crap started. That clear enough? The problem is that you don;t like being wrong. Accept it, change it, and lets move on. We are now stuck with that because the AvA staff can't accept that they made a mistake?
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Back to the way it was before the war crap started. That clear enough? The problem is that you don;t like being wrong. Accept it, change it, and lets move on. We are now stuck with that because the AvA staff can't accept that they made a mistake?
There were 20 to 30 people on last night. There was a base capture attempt going on in the north which was a drawn out fight for the V base. There was some great furballing going on in the south with some very good fights.
We need to give this a chance. We had all furballing with 5 people on a night. We had all war with 5 or less on a night. They both start out strong then dwindle to a few players. This is an attempt to offer good AvA fights with the opportunity to use all of the equipemnt, not just fighters, without excluding any style of play. As long as there are a couple of bases that are somewhat close, there can be furballing. Personally, I prefer furballing but like the variety to try different aspects offered by this game in an AvA environment.
The choice of maps will be important. The big risk is not having close airfields which kills the furball fun. We could have a fighter/tank town to fix that on maps that have this potential. Two close bases away from the war front that can not be captured.
Venom
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Thank you for the input. The only thing that separates the current one from the AvA of the past is the fact that the setups last for 2-3 weeks with a rolling plane set and that capture is turned on. I can see nothing within those two additions that would limit the ability for like-minded people to find a fight.
Base capture is a fundamental aspect of the game as it was created and feel its addition into the AvA is overall a good thing.
The rolling planeset lends itself more to the historic and balancing aspect of the arena. Again I don't see any major issues with this, other than possibly not having a completely "fresh" setup each week.
It is no longer about the "War". It is about creating a 24/7 historical arena.
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Two close bases away from the war front that can not be captured.
Venom
This is a distinct possibility, I will look into it for the D-Day Map.
Another good idea, thanks again Venom <S>
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There were 20 to 30 people on last night. There was a base capture attempt going on in the north which was a drawn out fight for the V base. There was some great furballing going on in the south with some very good fights.
Yep, I was there, the only reason there were fights was because we all ignored the base capture attempt and kept on fighting.
The problem is not the base captures. They are fine and who ever likes doing it and has fun doing it should continue doing it. The problem is an organized effort (war set up) that focuses on that and encourages/promotes base captures at all costs. Pork and auger, HO anything on sight, gang and run etc in order to win the war. That, does not produce or encourage fighting in any way. Plus, we have a war in the MAs, why do we need another one (since Bug is talking about making the AvA different than the MAs)
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What would change that i think is squadron-based involvement. If you pit squadron's against squadrons with organized structure IE flight discipline i think the amount of hoing, pork and auger would drastically decrease. As for the hanging and running... If you considering a 2v1 a gang then you're full of it honestly.
You're encouraged to always fly with a wingman, if you choose to fly solo then don't expect to not come up against a flight lead and his wingman because it's going to happen. The 78th FG always engage in pairs but are deadly in solo engagements.
"16 guns are better than 8"
Overall, if the AvA could get some more squadron's in there frequently I think that it would start to see some more outstanding air, ground, and sea battles.
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The 78th FG always engage in pairs but are deadly in solo engagements.
Deadly for whom? Dedalos?
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quote]The problem is an organized effort (war set up) that focuses on that and encourages/promotes base captures at all costs.[/quote]
Dedalos.... how would you fix the problem?
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quote]The problem is an organized effort (war set up) that focuses on that and encourages/promotes base captures at all costs.
Dedalos.... how would you fix the problem?
Removing the war?
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If you considering a 2v1 a gang then you're full of it honestly.
Where did that come from? How is 6 or more vs 1 right next to the runway? That is what the war does. You have to win the war, so it would be stupid to not take me down even if I was on the runway.
No, war, no need to do that
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The 78th FG always engage in pairs
Anyone see what I mean? :rofl :rofl
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Removing the war?
So removing base capture and the rolling plane set is what you're looking for?
Just to be specific.
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I'm with you Ded. I know other players that would agree with you too but they have been censored from the conversation. At this point it's just tilting at windmills.
AH is a game you play, they want to make it a game you win.
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So removing base capture and the rolling plane set is what you're looking for?
Just to be specific.
Grow up bug. No where in any of my posts have I said anything like that. If you read back, I actually made it clear that I am not asking to remove base capture. Don't be putting words in my mouth and try to be an adult about this.
Which part of put it back the way it was before the war don;t you understand? You do remember how it was no? Both base capture and rolling plane sets were on yes? So please, "to be specific" read what I type and don;t make things up.
Big <<S>> on attracting another squad that always fights in pairs :rofl
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I was asking my question for clarity, I don't understand what you mean by "The War".
What exactly do you want removed then? Please spell it out for me because I truly am not following you. Tell me the exact setup feature, arena setting, etc., that you consider the war to be. To me the war constitutes Two big things the capture turned on and the rolling plane set. The only other thing is the sentence I put in the MOTD stating the Allied objective.
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You do remember how it was no? Both base capture and rolling plane sets were on yes?
Actually they weren't.
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tryin to think outside the norm... maybe it wasnt and isnt now the way the arenas are setup and run but the way the maps are built or setup that creates the ‘war’ problems. The problem starts when you make capturing an airfield or Vbase a requisite for winning the war. We need a new type of map with refineries, bridges, large towns (TT size or larger), etc which are located an equal distance away from the airfields and vehicle bases and are the focal point of the war. Take a couple of them then the local airfield or Vbase comes under your control (kind of like what happens to refineries in the MAs)
Is this kind of map possible in AH2?
<S>
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:aok Jappa it looks like you are pretty much describing Battle of Aces, which took place some time ago. What happened with that? We had a ton of glitches and the distance and costs of the planes gave ammunition to those who constantly complain about how bad the AvA is. I thought it was awesome, but it ran too long and had more than its share of bugs to be worked out.
It seems that TheBug in his current campaign has worked out many of the bugs as new ones seem to arise (loss TCP and vox). It has been my wish for quite some time now to have a small break every week, in which the setup is rotated and new design concepts are tested for only one day or so. :pray
That one day could give the planeset hungry crowd a better chance at their ride or theater coming into play at least once a month. :noid
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It’s a mix of BOA (I really enjoyed) and the current setup. Create a new map where the focus is on taking towns, cities, factories… put a map room or two (depending on size)in them and separate them equally from each countries bases. Remove the towns from Airfields completely. Have a rolling plane set so each side has access to all available a/c of the time.
I would love to see this.....
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Which terrain is this Jappa?
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Hey Jappa, I believe the creation of such a map was requested a while back. I can't remember when though....failing short term memory :). I can attest to the fact that creating a map exactly to peoples specifications is difficult and takes tremendous time. I've been working on one for a few months now and had to take a break from it. Frustration from unknown glitches showing up and having to test each peice of the map to see which part is causing the glitches is the pain. All this said to simply say, making a map takes time. If they were to start working a map out then three months down the road it no longer becomes wanted.........
Now, if your saying they should dig in to their repoirte of maps to find one suitable for your needs, I don't see why that can't be done.
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Bug, you and the staff are doing a fine job and I feel the arena is a much better place than when it was just a private dueling arena for a select few players; us Avengers very much enjoy our squad nights in there. The new people that have started flying in the arena are a refreshing change compared to most that inhabited the AvA arena when we showed up a year ago. A few of the old hands were and still are class acts and a pleasure to fly with and against (oldman), but there was sure a lot of sour apples that had to be dealt with. Keep up the good work Bug, remember, the dissatisfied, even though fewer in numbers, will always make the most noise. <S>
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Bug, you and the staff are doing a fine job and I feel the arena is a much better place than when it was just a private dueling arena for a select few players;
It never was that.
us Avengers very much enjoy our squad nights in there. The new people that have started flying in the arena are a refreshing change compared to most that inhabited the AvA arena when we showed up a year ago. A few of the old hands were and still are class acts and a pleasure to fly with and against (oldman), but there was sure a lot of sour apples that had to be dealt with.
Translation: Some people don't agree with my point of view. Lets call them names
Keep up the good work Bug, remember, the dissatisfied, even though fewer in numbers, will always make the most noise. <S>
Translation: I agree with you and I get what I want. Therefore, you must be doing a good job. Lets call the others some names
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At least he put a <S> at the end.
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If it was not for the vox issues then I think that the AVA would be alright. I am enjoying the maps and the balanced planesets. Lets keep the ''uber'' planes for the MA. The current setup provides some good match-ups. Now if we could get more Germans to show up.
Bug, I have flown against you and most of the rest of JG11 . Its seem like a breath of fresh air to me. And also some pretty good dogfights.
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Exactly what I was talking about Chemdawg. Build a new map that fits the style of play seen/wanted in the arena. Everyone’s been looking for something; a setup, war, scenario, etc that will keep the game play exciting and will set the AVA apart from the MAs. The rules can be changed to a point but the terrain and object placement are what really dictates the game play. Huge job that I’m sure could take months and most people want an immediate fix but why not think big on this? Where are we going?
This is not a rant or finger pointing. I’ve been enjoying the different wars and setups we’ve had recently and think that everyone who’s put in time and effort to make it work should be happy with the results.
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Over crowding the map with AFs and VBs kinda ruins it as well. There should be an objective for each side and that objective should be the only asset allowed to be captured for the AvA.
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At least he put a <S> at the end.
:rofl